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2 Thessalonians 2:6-10King James Version (KJV)

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

The question is; Who is "he that letteth"? :-)
 
The question is; Who is "he that letteth"?
New Testament In Modern English (1909) by Richard Weymouth - 2Thessalonians chapter 2:
6 And now you know what restrains him, in order that his true character may be revealed at his appointed time.
7 For lawlessness is already at work in secret; but only until the man who is now exercising a restraining influence is removed,
New International Version:

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
Good News Translation:
6 Yet there is something that keeps this from happening now, and you know what it is. At the proper time, then, the Wicked One will appear.
7 The Mysterious Wickedness is already at work, but what is going to happen will not happen until the one who holds it back is taken out of the way.
Expanded Bible:
6 And ·now [so] you know what is ·stopping that Man of Evil [restraining him; holding him back;] so he will ·appear [be revealed] at ·the right [the proper; [his own] time.
7 The ·secret power [or mystery] of evil [lawlessness; wickedness] is already ·working in the world [or at work], but there is one who is ·stopping that power [restraining it].
And ·he [or it] will continue to ·stop [restrain] it until ·he [or it] is taken out of the way [this restrainer may be the Holy Spirit or human government, among other possibilities].

Thanx Bendito - quite a challenging piece of Bible study:
OK I vote for the Holy Spirit as the one who restrains apostasy and the rise of the wicked one until the right time in history -
the wicked one exalting himself and claiming to have the authority of God etc, would of course be none other than the first Roman Pope in 606 AD
Boniface III - who claimed not only to be the local Bishop of Rome (as his predecessors were) but claimed the title "Pontus Maximus" and claimed to
be the Head of the entire Christian church/world and therefore the premier Bishop above all.
This date is important and fits in with years of prophecy given by Daniel and Revelation.
 
I think it is the ego or self that keeps the man of sin from being revealed and he keeps him from being revealed because he fears the truth that he does not actually exist.The ego needs us to believe we are separate from God and others and all alone in a cold cold universe.
In this belief of a separated condition the ego operates by getting us to believe that he is us.Then attempts to drive us further from the light of God by
tempting us with desires that lead away from light.

Love does not demand it's own way so we can stop God from shining his light by believing what the ego allows us to see
through the limitation of our flesh senses and logic.

The mind of Christ is under no such delusion and is one with the Father.
My ego/self wouldn't let me see who the real man of sin was.
In my case it was me,or at least my belief in individuality and separation from God.
If I believe that nothing can separate me from the love of God and if God is love then I am one with the Father and with Jesus.
The ego must swoop in and disprove or at least water down the belief of one with the Father and son.
Or he will be exposed for what he is,a shadow of doubt.

Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Strong's 5315. nephesh a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Before Jesus the best anyone could do is love with the soul because the spirit of truth had not been given.
Now we are to walk in the spirit and we will not fulfill the desires of the flesh/self/soul.
We have died to self and live in Christ.

I don't think these things are referring specifically to events in the future but the patterns it refers to will appear in the world in many forms
and at many times.
 
I think it is the ego or self that keeps the man of sin from being revealed and he keeps him from being revealed because he fears the truth that he does not actually exist.The ego needs us to believe we are separate from God and others and all alone in a cold cold universe.
In this belief of a separated condition the ego operates by getting us to believe that he is us.Then attempts to drive us further from the light of God by
tempting us with desires that lead away from light.

Love does not demand it's own way so we can stop God from shining his light by believing what the ego allows us to see
through the limitation of our flesh senses and logic.

The mind of Christ is under no such delusion and is one with the Father.
My ego/self wouldn't let me see who the real man of sin was.
In my case it was me,or at least my belief in individuality and separation from God.
If I believe that nothing can separate me from the love of God and if God is love then I am one with the Father and with Jesus.
The ego must swoop in and disprove or at least water down the belief of one with the Father and son.
Or he will be exposed for what he is,a shadow of doubt.

Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Strong's 5315. nephesh a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Before Jesus the best anyone could do is love with the soul because the spirit of truth had not been given.
Now we are to walk in the spirit and we will not fulfill the desires of the flesh/self/soul.
We have died to self and live in Christ.

I don't think these things are referring specifically to events in the future but the patterns it refers to will appear in the world in many forms
and at many times.

Wow TCH Interesting guess....I personally think the antichrist/man of sin is alive today and champing at the bit to get his program under way. Have you ever met anybody who thinks he does not exist? I think that is not the answer. Good try.
 
New Testament In Modern English (1909) by Richard Weymouth - 2Thessalonians chapter 2:
6 And now you know what restrains him, in order that his true character may be revealed at his appointed time.
7 For lawlessness is already at work in secret; but only until the man who is now exercising a restraining influence is removed,
New International Version:

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
Good News Translation:

6 Yet there is something that keeps this from happening now, and you know what it is. At the proper time, then, the Wicked One will appear.
7 The Mysterious Wickedness is already at work, but what is going to happen will not happen until the one who holds it back is taken out of the way.
Expanded Bible:

6 And ·now [so] you know what is ·stopping that Man of Evil [restraining him; holding him back;] so he will ·appear [be revealed] at ·the right [the proper; [his own] time.
7 The ·secret power [or mystery] of evil [lawlessness; wickedness] is already ·working in the world [or at work], but there is one who is ·stopping that power [restraining it].
And ·he [or it] will continue to ·stop [restrain] it until ·he [or it] is taken out of the way [this restrainer may be the Holy Spirit or human government, among other possibilities].

Thanx Bendito - quite a challenging piece of Bible study:
OK I vote for the Holy Spirit as the one who restrains apostasy and the rise of the wicked one until the right time in history -
the wicked one exalting himself and claiming to have the authority of God etc, would of course be none other than the first Roman Pope in 606 AD
Boniface III - who claimed not only to be the local Bishop of Rome (as his predecessors were) but claimed the title "Pontus Maximus" and claimed to
be the Head of the entire Christian church/world and therefore the premier Bishop above all.
This date is important and fits in with years of prophecy given by Daniel and Revelation.

This is the most common assumption Waggles but this event takes place at the beginning of the seven year tribulation. Correct? During the tribulation many many people will be saved. So it cannot be the Holy Spirit that is taken out of the world. Why? No man can be saved without the Holy Spirit draws him. John 6:44
 
Have you ever met anybody who thinks he does not exist?
I don't think you understand what I said.
The ego is the idea of separation from God.
I am not the ego so the ego is the lie in me that denies what the lord hath said.
The ego does not exist because it is a lie.
The ego does not exist unless I give it life.

The ego is my belief that I am separated from God and others.
When the ego is taken out of the way the truth shines through and sonship is reality.

Only our own belief that God is separate or that anything can separate us from him,can separates us from God.
I was the man restraining God through disbelief.I don't have to look any farther than a mirror to see the man of sin.

Of course as I said the ego can not allow any man to accept that he is one with the Father.
 
2 Thessalonians 2:6-10King James Version (KJV)

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

The question is; Who is "he that letteth"? :)

Hi! 'Bendito"
We Christians are the 'cork in the bottle' (so to speak) which continues to keep the natural creation afloat.
Throughout the history of mankind there have arisen strong human spirits which have had incredible influence over events at the most critical and crucial opportunity.
 
I don't think you understand what I said.
The ego is the idea of separation from God.
I am not the ego so the ego is the lie in me that denies what the lord hath said.
The ego does not exist because it is a lie.
The ego does not exist unless I give it life.

The ego is my belief that I am separated from God and others.
When the ego is taken out of the way the truth shines through and sonship is reality.

Only our own belief that God is separate or that anything can separate us from him,can separates us from God.
I was the man restraining God through disbelief.I don't have to look any farther than a mirror to see the man of sin.

Of course as I said the ego can not allow any man to accept that he is one with the Father.

Ah Ok I see your reasoning on the word Ego. I've always understood the word to be: he“I”or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling,and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought, as in conceit or self importance.

Still though...That's not the answer.
 
Hi! 'Bendito"
We Christians are the 'cork in the bottle' (so to speak) which continues to keep the natural creation afloat.
Throughout the history of mankind there have arisen strong human spirits which have had incredible influence over events at the most critical and crucial opportunity.

Ah! Close! Very close. Yes! "He that lets" is people. But can you be more specific?
 
Ah Ok I see your reasoning on the word Ego. I've always understood the word to be: he“I”or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling,and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought, as in conceit or self importance.
Can you get any more self important than not believing God.
The ego is the flesh.
the flesh can receive nothing from God.

Still though...That's not the answer.
That would be one opinion.I don't find it surprising that an individual would find it utterly unacceptable.
The pattern fits and the patterns of God appear in many ways,times and forms.
 
I don't know who letteth.

I could make a really good guess perhaps.

I do know this though, the day of Christ will not come until there is a great falling away. We have much apostasy yet to witness with our very own eyes. You can see it already if you are looking.

Blessings,

Travis
 
Can you get any more self important than not believing God.
The ego is the flesh.
the flesh can receive nothing from God.


That would be one opinion.I don't find it surprising that an individual would find it utterly unacceptable.
The pattern fits and the patterns of God appear in many ways,times and forms.

Now you have me curious....Can you explain how ego can be the one who letteth?
 
Now you have me curious....Can you explain how ego can be the one who letteth?
Let's or letteth does not make much sense to me so I think restrains may be a better translation.
God is love and love does not demand it's own way.God does not force belief on anyone.

Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Strong's 5315. nephesh a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
In Hebrew soul is interchangeable with desire,self or person.

Jesus replied, "'You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.'
5590 psyxḗ (from psyxō, "to breathe, blow"(a) the vital breath, breath of life, (b) the human soul, (c) the soul as the seat of affections and will, (d) the self, (e) a human person, an individual.
In Greek the idea is a little different but similar.
Isn't self supposed to be dead?
We were to love God with our soul because the spirit of truth had not been given yet.
Now we worship the Father in spirit and truth,not soul.
Do you believe you are a body or a soul or spirit?

The word ego wasn't around at the time but it basically the conceit in the soul
1714, as a term in metaphysics, "the self; that which feels, acts, or thinks," from Latin ego "I" (cognate with Old English ic; see I). Psychoanalytic (Freudian) sense is from 1894; sense of "conceit" is 1891. Ego-trip first recorded 1969, from trip (n.). Related: egoical; egoity.

individual (n.) Look up individual at Dictionary.com
"single object or thing," c. 1600, from individual (adj.). Colloquial sense of "person" is attested from 1742. Latin individuum meant "an atom, indivisible particle;" in Middle English individuum was used in sense of "individual member of a species" from early 15c.

Turns out that they were wrong about an atom being indivisible and man is not indivisible either.
Only God is indivisible so the idea of an individual is just another layer of error.
Therefore the ego or flesh which is at war with God and can receive nothing from God.
So God can't reveal the man of sin until we take the ego/self/flesh/desires/appetite out of the way.
This is happening on a case by case basis now but will happen on a larger scale when the church drops it's churchy ego pleasing ways and believes God.

It is very conceited to disbelieve God and one walking in the spirit is one with the Father and can no longer call himself an individual.
Jesus said to the disciples that "no man has seen the Father ,but you see him.
Seeing Jesus was seeing Father but no "man" can see that.
Why,because man is conceited and thinks he is independant of God.
Jesus was telling his disciples that they were no longer man because they believe God.
He who disbelieves God is a man and is ego centric making himself out to be God and sits on the throne of God telling God and himself that God is wrong.

The ego must then tell any man reading this that it is foolishness.
Once he is taken out of the way he can no longer restrain God from revealing himself to his new creation.
No one can restrain God from revealing himself to me except for me.
 
2 Thessalonians 2:6-10King James Version (KJV)

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

The question is; Who is "he that letteth"? :)
Hello Bendito,

In order to consider your question I looked to to the margin of my Bible, which drew my attention to the usage of the word translated, 'letteth', in verse 7, for it also comes in verse 6, translated, 'withholdeth'. It is the Greek word, katecho, meaning to 'hold fast'. That which holdeth him fast is a place, 'the pit'. The one that holdeth him fast, it is suggested, is Satan, 'he will be taken out of the way', referring to his being cast out of heaven. (Eph.6:12), from which he will be ejected by Michael (Rev.12:7-9).

Search and see for yourself, check all things. This information came from the Companion Bible, marginal notes which can be viewed online in PDF.

Consider this carefully, in the light of Scripture. The Greek word mentioned, and it's usage elsewhere can be checked, via Strong's concordance. They are listed in the notes, but I am not able to list them here, for lack of time.

Happy hunting,
In Christ Jesus,
Chris
 
In order to consider your question I looked to to the margin of my Bible, which drew my attention to the usage of the word translated, 'letteth', in verse 7, for it also comes in verse 6, translated, 'withholdeth'. It is the Greek word, katecho, meaning to 'hold fast'. That which holdeth him fast is a place, 'the pit'. The one that holdeth him fast, it is suggested, is Satan, 'he will be taken out of the way', referring to his being cast out of heaven. (Eph.6:12), from which he will be ejected by Michael (Rev.12:7-9).
Thanks for pointing that out complete,I tend to agree as the pattern matches well.
Jesus called Peter Satan because he savoured the things of man and not of God.
I really don't think Peter was Satan but could the ego/flesh be a son of Satan?
Satan was a liar from the beginning and his sons maintain and polish his lies.

The kingdom of heaven is within us and I doubt it resides in the flesh but more likely in the mind.
having the mind of Christ then would be like throwing the liar and accuser of the brethren out of the mind and taking the place will be a son of God as described in Ephesians 2:6

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
The mind of Christ is seated in the believer and the believer is seated in the mind of Christ making both heavenly places.
Jesus said he went to prepare a place for us that where he is we may be also.
He also said if we love him that he and the Father would make their abode in us.
So it seems to me that we are the place that he has gone to prepare for us.
 
Ah! Close! Very close. Yes! "He that lets" is people. But can you be more specific?

Hi! 'Bendito'

Ummm, I suspect that you're asking a question which you yourself already have sufficient answer.
Since this posed riddle seems to be a question intentionally phrased so as to require exaggerated study to reply ... here's my lengthy response:

I oftentimes imagine God as painting a multi-colored canvas within everyone’s inner 'hidden' being. This godly artistry continues to be achieved in this very day and hour because God continues to speak to His people ... and, in a language which is especially understood by the individuals themselves. Although these godly canvases are being brushed within our inner-beings in secret, our inner beings are soon to be revealed as the triumphant mosaic of God's eternal purposes ... and shouted from every mountain top!

So, I first wish to remind everyone reading my Comment(s) below that religious dogma / ideology can often behave as a suit of pretended armor for Christians; (like the one of Saul which was too too tight and restrictive).
Because the thought-world of many denominations can prove to harden hearts and minds, sometimes one has to be cured of dogmas. It's not for nothing that Ecclesiastes 8:1 says, "A person’s wisdom brightens their face and changes its hard appearance."

No two prisons are alike. They all have their distinct anguish and varying pains. Each possess their own self-identifying suffocation and revengeful wounding. Ideological prisons behave in the identical manner as physical prisons. While they are distinctly individualized, they share this predominant commonality: an excruciating sense of promoting alienation.

While it remains true that power corrupts, today, we're increasingly witnessing the corrupt seeking power. We have Christian sociopaths who traffic in disturbing news and destructive rumors. They purposely falsify information to damage and burden others.

None of the false teachers of today can conceive their God as also being the God of those who may differ with them. Previously, the ‘doctrines of the ancestors’ were busy with devaluing evil doers. But today's ideologies have people busy dehumanizing an entire people or race. While Jesus taught the love of enemies, the ideologues of today are encouraging their extermination. No longer content with merely separating themselves from evil doers, we now have Christians demanding to completely eradicate them. They disclose their preoccupation with superiority by revealing their secret need for enemies,(Mark 7:3-5).
This is exactly the same sentiment of redemptive violence which ushered in the Crusades of earlier times. While the unanswered question prior the Reformation was, “How can I find a gracious God?”, the unanswered question in these days is, “How can I find God in my enemies?”.

Ours is a time when the evil one is entering into a frenzied mimetic rivalry with God, “because he knoweth that he hath but a short time”.It has always been a difficult task to come against cultural Christianity’s fraudulent gospel. But we are now experiencing a time of increasing falsehoods which are buried under many layers of doctrinal confusion and stiffened by decades of ideology and religious culture.

We're living in a day and hour when the invisible things from out of the kingdom of darkness are becoming visible on the earth. This could be properly named as a ‘counterfeit reality’ because it possesses, "A form of godliness but denying its power", (2Tim 3:5), "evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived", (v13).

It has always been a difficult task to come against cultural Christianity’s fraudulent gospel. The counterfeit reality is becoming increasingly evidenced and, in particular, masquerading as an Israel ‘after the flesh’ and, as such, “shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect”.
For instance, the combining of the Israeli Zionist groups with the Evangelical Christian groups has produced what has been named the Armageddon Alliance’. So it is too that yet another delusion known as the ‘Hebraic Perspective’ is being feverishly embraced today by countless Christians. While it is true (for instance) that Hal Lindsay’s Apocalyptic Dispensation theology of the 1970’s proved to blind the cultural church, (just as Darby and Scofield before him), the ‘Hebraic Perspective’ theology is something much more insidious and harmful.

In these days we are confronting intransigent ideologies which are even more insidious and difficult to unveil. Like vultures eager for their carrion, the cultural church feeds on every new cognitive dissonance. A people kept ignorant of reality will by default believe in falsehoods. People seem to be much more emotionally committed to ideologies as opposed to what we once knew as the ‘doctrines of the ancestors’. When both the eternal and temporal things become horribly twisted into a single strand, the predominant emotive fabric of a person’s consciousness becomes all the more hardened and threatening. Ideology is always more anxious to be right than in doing right; focused more on the ambition to succeed rather than with the call to faithfulness; more preoccupied with producing results than seeing the invisible.

Visible things are the nutrient of the counterfeit reality and form the ideologies which serve to confirm it. It is the visible things which construct the false center of the world and which serve to spiritually imprison humanity. Yet, the counterfeit reality could not exist if it were not for the undergirding of blinding ideologies. It is not for nothing that the Bible names the Devil as the ‘god of this world’; meaning to say, the controlling agent of the visible dimension and its ‘domination system'.

Even at the time of Jesus, the Romans were a model of lucidity with the domination system. While they did not worship the seated emperor, they were not shy of worshiping the ‘spirituality’ which inspired the ruler. Jesus perceived this counterfeit reality, (“all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them”), and refused to succumb to the temptation of having a position in it. The Bible speaks of another incident “when Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone”. “For what shall it profit a man, if he may gain the whole world (kosmos/system), and forfeit his life?”; “My kingdom ('basileia') is not of this world ('kosmo's/system): if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence”.

The counterfeit reality comes into being by those who seek to grasp the “substance of things unseen” with hands of flesh. The counterfeit reality’s atmosphere is spirit killing; teaching us not only what to believe but also what we can value and what we can see. Since the incident in the Garden of Eden there is the tragic history of the body, soul and spirit of humankind being torn, ripped, shredded, ravaged and exhausted by entanglement with the web of deceit which upholds the counterfeit reality. In my opinion, the goal of the anti-Christ has always been to import a counterfeit mirror image of the “substance of things unseen” into the visible realm.
When this counterfeit has completely developed on the earth (fully manifested to mimic the invisible kingdom of god), we are then entering Armageddon. In other words, the spirit of anti-Christ is the instrument by which the genuine purposes and intents of God become manifested as a counterfeit on the earth.

Domination is significantly more than a power relation; it is a spiritual state of being. While fear forms its visible chains, shame and rejection are its invisible chains. The result is that which compels a human sense of spiritual insignificance; an internalized oppression which deprives one of godly worth and esteem. “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood (human foes), but against principalities (cosmic powers), against powers (authorities), against the rulers (potentates) of the darkness of this world (age), against spiritual wickedness in high places (invisible realm)”. What we are talking about here is of a struggle to the death for recognition. One does not merely desire the other, but forcibly desires to be desired by the other. It is this compulsive desire to be desired that has the evil powers sharing their consuming lies from the very beginnings. The strength of these powers is never more determinative than when they constrain us invisibly; when they exert their power by extracting genuine being (life) from the dominated.

When the Bible speaks of “principalities and powers”, it is speaking of the economic, political and cultural institutions which give form to the counterfeit reality. We need to perceive a distinct difference between the “principalities and powers” and the “rulers of darkness” and that of “spiritual wickedness”. While the principalities and powers speak of the influences affecting the visible dimension of our existence (outer), the rulers of darkness and spiritual wickedness speak of the influence affecting the invisible dimension (inner). While “powers of the air” speak to a collective manifestation of evil which permeates the counterfeit reality, the spiritual wickedness speaks to a deeper and more destructive evil; a layer of sludge beneath the murky waters, a hellish hatred of light and truth, a brute lust for violence and annihilation.

The body, soul and spirit of humankind are torn, ripped, shredded, ravaged and exhausted by entanglement with this deceitful reality. When Paul speaks of a life lived “according to the flesh”, he is speaking of a life subordinated to a counterfeit reality; a life subjugated to the inauthentic values which form the domination system. It is the carnal mind which seeks complicity with the “powers of this age”; “Behold, they [are] all vanity; their works [are] nothing: their molten images [are] wind and confusion”. While the faithful are imprisoned for their faith, the unfaithful are imprisoned by their faith. We note throughout the Book of Revelation the refrain: the Beast was allowed to exercise authority; was allowed to make war; was given authority; is allowed to perform miracles; is allowed to make the image of the first Beast speak. Delusion possesses nothing more than the power which we confer on it; its powers of persuasion are limited only by the measure of our own acquiescence and complicity.

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ”. The counterfeit reality is by its very nature in a permanent crisis of legitimization. Because its captive to its own lies, it must falsify everything. It pretends to pretend nothing. Because it is so utterly foreign to the composite of man, (“no so from the beginning”), it is an artificial amalgam held together through violence. This is why falsehood and delusion are so essential to it.
When people suppress the truth and worship the created things, (counterfeit reality), they succumb to darkened minds and folly; become overwhelmed by a sense of induced powerlessness. So it is that people live within a lie. In most cases, it is not as if the multitudes happily accept the delusional web; rather, it is that they have accepted their life with it and in it. They unwittingly confirm the lie, fulfill the lie and ultimately become the lie.

Our triumph over the domination system occurs as we overcome the “present evil epoch” (aion) who “has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ”. In this sense, we “redeem the time”, (Col 4:5). The wonderful testimony of our gospel is not that it is a convincing substitute for the counterfeit reality; rather, it is in its being hated by it. Thus, our gospel has no need of salesmanship because genuine reality is eager to confirm it.

Paul wrote, “Be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God”. Spiritual eyes are the indispensable precondition to our healing. We need eyes that see the invisible if we are ever to escape the delusions of the counterfeit reality. After all, the enemy only has whatever persuasive power which our unbelief (blindness) allows him. We must therefore “redeem the time” and overcome our sense of powerlessness and recognize it for the killing spiritual disease it is; of how we were deliberately induced by the counterfeit reality which keeps us complicit in our own alienation. The defeat of the powers occurs by dying to their control; by dying out from under its jurisdiction and command. So it is that, with the unmasking of our oppressors, there must also be a healing of the servile will in the victims. “Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?” If the rich young ruler must die to his egocentricity, then Nicodemus too must die to his hopelessness, fatalism and acquiescence to his own despoiling. Even those whose lives have been stolen from them must lose their lives to find them; they must die to what killed them. I am not speaking here of those who are preoccupied with the delusional practice of dying to ego. Rather, I am speaking of dying to the powers which hold us captive and subservient to the counterfeit reality.

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Now I submit my riddle solution:
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After the Fall, the weeds (“sons of the gods”) began to be sown. The resulting atmosphere of the ‘domination system’ is subsequently described as “corrupt before God”. The ‘domination system’ caused the earth to be “filled with violence through them”. While the weeds were maturing in his midst as “mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown”, Noah remained busy with things centered on that which was producing a “plant of renown”. While the ‘domination system’ was producing weeds which manifested themselves as “every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually", Noah “found grace in the eyes of the Lord”.
At the time of Noah’s Flood, it was said, “the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually”. The domination system had full sway; evil had become a contagion. Noah had refused to participate with the counterfeit realities of the domination system and as such it is said of him that he “walked with God”.

To Noah it was said, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth" (Gen 9:1); but then we read later of people saying, "Let us make us a name lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth", (Gen 11:4).
Only eight people descended from the Ark. Those people worshipped God. But at some point an influential person became opposed to God and gathered others to his side. The evidence points to Nimrod as the one who did it. Cain had done similarly before the Flood, founding a new city and importing a counterfeit reality; the domination system. Nimrod’s descendants were the ones who began building the tower in Babel. It is the spirit of the anti-Christ which counterfeits the ‘Gate of God’ with Babylon’s domination system, (social structure and economic organization).

Violence always animates the very thing it opposes. Murder calls forth murder and an entire chain of slaughter is the consequence; which even today we see the war machine celebrated and haloed by memorials and parades. It is the religion of Cain which lends the lie which depicts the only good and perfect God as engaging in violence.
It is the counterfeit reality which argues that God is inherently violent; that God is the angry and aggrieved party who must be placated by blood sacrifice. It is not God who must be appeased, but humans which must be delivered from their hatred of God’s creation laws. It is Cain who initiates the counterfeit reality; for he pretends to be able to bring about by his own temporal means the eternal purposes of God. Jesus said, “No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon (‘the domination system’)”.

Cain as a wanderer builds a city. Spiritually, Cain abandons the opportunity to live after the “substance of things unseen” and proceeds to build a counterfeit reality, an earthly city. His city will be his protection, as well as the iron instruments which his descendants will forge. All of this is placed under the sign that Cain chooses. He calls both his son and his city "Enoch," which means "initiation". Cain lays down his beginning which opposes the one which God had decided for him; a reality closed to God’s order.

Because Cain was busy with the domination system, we should not be surprised by the violence which instigated the murder of Abel. (“… Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother”, (1John 3:12). Every place the sons of Ham went, ‘divine kingship’ was established. In Mesopotamia, Cush (or Kish) was the founder; in Egypt, Mizraim. In Canaan, named for one of Ham's sons, it follows that ‘divine’ kings controlled the city-states. In those kingdoms, religion was the cultural ‘opiate of the people’. It was used by rulers to bind the people's highest loyalties to themselves. So there was plenty of pomp and circumstance, special feast days and rituals during the year to support the counterfeit reality which they controlled.

Cain’s language is no longer the same as Adam's before the Fall. He no longer speaks as by the extension of his Creator’s words. While Adam’s position was one of dominion, Cain speaks from out a relationship of domination. He begins to rule the visible reality by instruments of domination rather than love. It is the spirit of anti-Christ which builds the “city of blood”, Nineveh; which enshrines Asher’s illustrious power and which venerates the wisdom of Nabu.

The Bible says that, “When the fullness of the time was come”, the “tender plant” of Jesus, (Isaiah 53:2) was ‘planted’ in the field. But simultaneous to the appearance of the “tender plant”, the weeds were already in the process of being “gathered to be burned”. The Old Testament speaks at length about how it was that “noble plants” degenerated into “strange vines” while the New Testament speaks about the planting of a “tender plant”.

Over the centuries, the bounty of the anti-Christ was already becoming evident, (as described in Deut 28:15-31). This is the reason that John could plainly say, “This is that [spirit] of anti-Christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world”. The spirit of the anti-Christ was already producing weeds (a counterfeit species) long before; centuries before. Jeremiah had already spoken of this many years earlier saying, “Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me?” Similarly, the scripture reads, “I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more. Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the Lord build the ruined [places, and] plant that that was desolate: I the Lord have spoken [it], and I will do [it]”.

So it is that weeds (counterfeit species) have been sown throughout the generations but the wheat was once again planted with the birth of Jesus. Concerning the “strange vines”, Jesus declared, “Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up”. For example: the weeds were sown as “children of the wicked one” but, at the time when they are completely bundled to be burned, they have become mature “sons of perdition”. (“Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned?”). In the same manner, the wheat was planted as “children of God” but, at the time of their appearance “in clouds of glory”, they have become mature “sons of God”. (“… thy soul shall live, and this city shall not be burned with fire; and thou shalt live, and thine house”).

While the wheat is preoccupied with the “substance of things unseen”, the weeds are nurtured by falsehoods fixed on the things which are visible.

The kingdom of darkness supplants reality through a counterfeit reality with the domination system at its core. This domination system has its tangible temples and commandments and symbols demanding obedience. Thus, the “weeds” have their false hopes manifested in the same reality with which they are preoccupied (earth) while the wheat have their hopes manifested in the invisible dimension (heavens). In a way it could be paraphrased as, ‘For where your treasure is manifested reveals your reality also’. Not surprisingly, the cultural (unfaithful) church has as its primary centerpiece the visible temples and visible symbols in a visible Israel. This will continue and with even greater intensity as the end-times unfold, “if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect”.
 
but this event takes place at the beginning of the seven year tribulation.
Incorrect. There is NO seven year tribulation period. This is merely the teachings of groupthink amongst TV evangelist types.
Paul is clearly talking about what was to become in the future - that Man of Sin usurping the authority of God [Jesus] as head of the Church,
can be no other than Papal Rome. The revealing may well also correspond to the Reformation which Martin Luther began.
The early Protestant Faiths were pretty unanimous in identifying the Popes as the Anti-Christ of Revelation and elsewhere in the Scriptures.
 
Hello Thiscrosshurts,

Thank you for responding to my entry to Bendito,

Thanks for pointing that out complete,I tend to agree as the pattern matches well.
Jesus called Peter Satan because he savoured the things of man and not of God.
I really don't think Peter was Satan but could the ego/flesh be a son of Satan?
Satan was a liar from the beginning and his sons maintain and polish his lies.

* Peter was merely being used by Satan in his attempt to deflect the Lord Jesus Christ from fulfilling the work which God had sent Him to do. (He does use 'the flesh' to war against the things of the spirit). Our Lord,s sole purpose was to do the will of His Father, and to finish His work. Praise His Holy Name!

The kingdom of heaven is within us and I doubt it resides in the flesh but more likely in the mind.
having the mind of Christ then would be like throwing the liar and accuser of the brethren out of the mind and taking the place will be a son of God as described in Ephesians 2:6

* There are those who believe that, 'the kingdom', is the rule of God in the minds of the regenerate during the present time, based on Luke 17:21: whereas the context of that verse shows that the word, ' within ', means 'in the midst of, or, among': ie., already there in the Person of the King (in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ), as in Matt. 12:28, John 1:26. There can be no kingdom without the presence of the King.

* The Kingdom in view in Luke 17:21, is literal, and not spiritual, for our Lord preached concerning the kingdom of God, which will yet be set up on the earth, at His coming again.

* I am sure you would agree that 'context' is a vital component in understanding, and should always be consulted,

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
The mind of Christ is seated in the believer and the believer is seated in the mind of Christ making both heavenly places.
Jesus said he went to prepare a place for us that where he is we may be also.
He also said if we love him that he and the Father would make their abode in us.
So it seems to me that we are the place that he has gone to prepare for us.

* Ephesians 2:6, reveals the fact that God has identified us with His Son: in His death, burial, quickening, resurrection and ascension, and that we are reckoned by God to be seated, 'in Him', at God's right hand: far above all principality, power, might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come. (Eph. 1:21)

* That is so very wonderful, isn't it, Thiscrosshurts? To be 'in Christ'. and Christ 'in God'; how secure a position we have, don't we?

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
@Bendito:
2 Thessalonians 2:6-10 King James Version (KJV)

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

The question is; Who is "he that letteth"? :)
The question is; Who is "he that letteth"?

Hello Bendito,

In order to consider your question I looked to to the margin of my Bible, which drew my attention to the usage of the word translated, 'letteth', in verse 7, for it also comes in verse 6, translated, 'withholdeth'. It is the Greek word, katecho, meaning to 'hold fast'. That which holdeth him fast is a place, 'the pit'. The one that holdeth him fast, it is suggested, is Satan, 'he will be taken out of the way', referring to his being cast out of heaven. (Eph.6:12), from which he will be ejected by Michael (Rev.12:7-9).

Search and see for yourself, check all things. This information came from the Companion Bible, marginal notes which can be viewed online in PDF.

Consider this carefully, in the light of Scripture. The Greek word mentioned, and it's usage elsewhere can be checked, via Strong's concordance. They are listed in the notes, but I am not able to list them here, for lack of time.

Happy hunting,
In Christ Jesus,
Chris


PS: Please respond.
 
Incorrect. There is NO seven year tribulation period. This is merely the teachings of groupthink amongst TV evangelist types.
Paul is clearly talking about what was to become in the future - that Man of Sin usurping the authority of God [Jesus] as head of the Church,
can be no other than Papal Rome. The revealing may well also correspond to the Reformation which Martin Luther began.
The early Protestant Faiths were pretty unanimous in identifying the Popes as the Anti-Christ of Revelation and elsewhere in the Scriptures.

Hi Waggles,

Please do not be too quick to dismiss the tribulation period, it really needs to be considered in the light of the testimony of all Scripture. I haven't got the time just at present, but would take part in a thread devoted to the topic, if you were to begin one (God Willing). :)

To do so here, would take away from the subject of the thread.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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