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Discussion in 'Introduction' started by evangj, May 17, 2006.

  1. #1 evangj, May 17, 2006
    Last edited: May 19, 2006
    Joseph & Jesus: The Robe Dipped in Blood
    Gen. 37:31-35 Then they got Joseph's robe, slaughtered a goat and dipped the robe in the blood. They took the ornamented robe back to their father and said, "We found this. Examine it to see whether it is your son's robe." He recognized it and said, "It is my son's robe! Some ferocious animal has devoured him. Joseph has surely been torn to pieces." Then Jacob tore his clothes, put on sackcloth and mourned for his son many days. All his sons and daughters came to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. "No," he said, "in mourning will I go down to the grave to my son." So his father wept for him.

    Rev. 19:13 "He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God."

    John 5:39-40 "You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life."

    "Some ferocious animal has devoured him." Religious people like to talk about how others killed Jesus. They talk about the cruelty of the ancient Romans, or the evil religious leaders in Israel back then. Or sometimes they talk about the gross sinners around us today, saying that they are the reason Jesus had to die. But we need to look inside ourselves, and see our own sin. We ourselves are responsible for his death. It is our pride, our jealousy, and our materialism that nailed him to the cross. Our Heavenly Father is not deceived. He knows who the real "ferocious animals" are. (Matt. 7:15). They pretend to be religious but they do not really fear the Lord. They do not see their own sin; they call everyone else a sinner. We can only receive a transformed life, the new birth, when we admit that Jesus had to die for our sin, and that we have forgiveness only because of his great mercy and love for us.

    The life of Joseph is prophetic; like everything else in the Old Testament, it points forward to the Lord Jesus and his Project of Salvation. That is why Jesus rebuked the religious leaders in his day; they would study the Scriptures intently, but only to glean principles and precepts for living a good religious life. They failed to see Jesus in the stories, so they failed to get LIFE from the Bible. It was just the letter for them – they thought God just wanted them to learn religious ideas from His Word. But the letter kills (2 Cor. 3:6) – it brings no spiritual life, and it turns real Christians into mere religious experts. Only the Spirit brings life, and the Spirit testifies to Jesus through every passage in the Old Testament. We have introduced this doctrine in pervious messages, however, so we shall now move along.

    Joseph, like Jesus, came to his brothers with a revelation, and as happened with Jesus, they hated him for it and tried to kill him. Joseph was the favorite son of his father, just as Jesus was the Heavenly Father's "Beloved Son." Joseph was rejected by his brothers, but later was given all authority and power so that his brethren had to bow before him – as with Jesus. Joseph's life was a prophetic picture of Jesus. In this part of the story, Joseph's brothers have sold him as a slave for a few silver coins. This is prophetic of Jesus being betrayed for thirty pieces of silver (see Zech 11:12-13; Matt 27:9). They sold him to foreigners (Midianites who took him to Egypt), just as Jesus' own people rejected him so that he became the Savior for the Gentiles.

    Then the brothers took Joseph's robe – a special robe his father had made for him – and dipped it in blood. This is also prophetic of the Lord Jesus, who "wears a robe dipped in Blood" in eternity (Rev. 19:3). The vision recorded in the end of the Bible, where Jesus returns on the clouds of heaven with power and glory, mentions one identifying characteristic of this "King of Kings and Lord of Lords." In this particular vision (Revelation 19:11-21), it does not use the name "Jesus." Instead he is called Faithful and True, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and the Word of God. It is clear that this is Jesus himself, but the names used connect him with his role or position in eternity (for example, as the "Word" or the Project of God); "Jesus" became his name when he came to earth as a man.
     
  2. Hi John, I got your email :)
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    This is an official welcome from me to you.

    Welcome to Talk Jesus John!
     
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  4. Hey John, welcome to TJ.

    Be richly blessed
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  5. Welcome to talkJesus, evangj. I'm glad you are here.
     
  6. Greetings John welcome to Talk Jesus forums. Enjoy the fellowship
     
  7. HI JOHN WELCOME TO TJ AND ENJOY THE COOL SITE HERE IT IS THE BEST ONE I HAVE FOUND AROUND.
     
  8. Hello Jhon and welcome to Talk Jesus , may God bless you.
     
  9. #9 Snowrose, May 18, 2006
    Last edited: May 18, 2006
    Hi John,

    Welcome to TJ. How wonderful it is to meet you here on the forum. May the Lord abundantly bless you as well. See you around.

    Love,
    Snowrose
     
  10. Welcome to TalkJesus John.
     
  11. am Shobha, I am christian,
    God bless everybody
     
  12. Welcome to the forums Shobha God bless you
     
  13. #13 evangj, May 19, 2006
    Last edited: May 19, 2006
    There is one identifying marker, however, so that we could make no mistake about who this is: "He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood." The sacrifice of Jesus, the shedding of his blood on the cross on our behalf, was central to his mission, and is central to our salvation today. He fulfilled all the animal sacrifices and other rituals involving blood from the Old Testament, because all of these merely pointed forward toward him. (Colossians 2:17; Hebrews 10:11-18). Jesus is the once-and-for-all sacrifice for sin.

    Yet the continuing actions of Joseph's brothers show us something about the state of man and how people treat Jesus. The brothers take the robe dipped in blood to their father Jacob, asking him to identify if it belongs to his son. This is what dead, religious Christianity does with the blood of Jesus. They present something to God and ask God to identify it as the authentic blood of Christ. All sorts of religions do this in different ways. Some liturgical or traditional churches take a cup of wine in communion and say a special prayer over it, hoping that God will consider it the Blood of Jesus. They do this regardless of the spiritual condition of the priest or the church people present. "Examine it to see if it is your son's ." They have no spiritual life, and they received nothing from the Holy Spirit in their rituals – it is all tradition and man-made ritual that evolved over time. And their cup of wine is still just that – it looks like wine, smells like wine, tastes like wine, but they hope that by some miracle, God sees it as his Son's blood.

    Some evangelical churches have their own way. They talk about the blood of Jesus, they believe that they are covered with the blood, they sing about it, but they merely want God to pretend it is there. They do not receive anything from the Holy Spirit, the life that is in Jesus' blood. They do not understand that there is a spiritual reality in the blood of Jesus, something that comes from eternity and flows through us. Instead, they think the blood is something God will pretend is there when He examines them. But they never plead for it to fill their hearts or to change their minds. "Examine it to see if it is your son's." That is what dead religion says to God about their practices. They do whatever they think is right, and they want God to endorse it after the fact.

    "They slaughtered a goat…" At this point in the story, the text suggests the doctrine of substitution or atonement – the goat dies in another's place. God would provide the true Lamb, his own Son. Even though Joseph's life foreshadows Jesus, we are reminded that Joseph is not the sacrificial Lamb – even he needed the sacrificial animal to die in his place. This is just like the story of Abraham and Isaac, in which Isaac foreshadows the death of Jesus (the Father sacrificing his only Son), but in the story God provides a ram in the bushes, so that God could also make sure we understood the story is prophetic – that God Himself would provide the one for the sacrifice. And God did when He sent his Own Son.

    "Some ferocious animal has devoured him." Our Heavenly Father is not deceived. He knows who the real "ferocious animals" are. (Matt. 7:15). They pretend to be religious but they do not really fear the Lord.

    "Then Jacob tore his clothes, put on sackcloth and mourned for his son many days." Jacob is prophetic of the heavenly Father. Our heavenly Father does not live in weeks and months like we do. He lives in eternity, not bound by time as we are. But we see that Jacob's interest in his son's death lasted a long time – he said it would be permanent. The Father's concern with the Blood of Jesus is eternal, it lasts forever. He never forgets that our sins cost his Son his life. He never forgets the price that was paid for our redemption and the Project of Salvation. Jesus' blood "speaks louder than Abel's," and the Word says that the blood of Abel "cried out to the Lord from the earth." (Gen 4:10) As it says in Hebrews 12:24, "Jesus is the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel." For the Father, Jesus' blood cries out louder than that, louder than anything in heaven or on earth. It is the center of the Eternal Project, the project of salvation.

    "All his sons and daughters came to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted." This is religion today. People come to the Father trying to appease Him, even though they are the ones who caused the Father's pain. They do religious rituals because they think this makes God happier. Yet the Father refuses to stop thinking about his Son, Jesus. Are we living like Jesus is dead? People come to the Father trying to impress him with their expressiveness in worship. They sing, shout, laugh, dance, clap, make as much noise and commotion as possible, because they think this impresses the Father and pleases Him. The Father is still thinking about the Lamb that was slain, "the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel." All of our worship is meaningless if we have not started by offering ourselves as living sacrifices, redeemed by the blood of Jesus, wholly devoted and completely obedient; that is the only way that we can start to have acceptable worship. (Romans 12:1) The Father refuses to be comforted. He focuses on His plan, His project from eternity, his Word that became flesh and dwelt among us. The people of this world want to pursue their own ambitions and dreams, and to have the Father be happy with whatever they do. The Father in heaven refuses to be comforted if we are living like Jesus is dead. We must live like Jesus is ALIVE, speaking to us, governing our lives. We cannot go our own way and try to comfort the Father at the same time – God refuses to be comforted in this way.

    We observe in this story how the brothers wanted to live as if Joseph was dead, even though he was still alive. They wanted to go on with their lives, they way they wanted, and have Jacob act happy with them. They wanted everyone to pretend Joseph was dead, so that he would just be a memory, not someone with whom they needed to have a relationship. This was why they wanted to kill him in the first place, so they could live as if he were dead. When the Midianite traders came along, they realized they could live as if Joseph were dead without actually murdering anyone and risking punishment. Many Christians today want to live as if Jesus were dead. They say they believe in Jesus, and they recite prayers about him and sing about him, as if he lived long ago. They want to pretend Jesus is not alive today, because that would mean we need to have a relationship with him, that we need to hear his voice. Whenever we go our own way, and leave God's project to the side, we are living as if Jesus were dead. Of course, Jesus is not dead; he is alive, because he rose from the dead. Many people act as if he were dead nevertheless. "He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God." Rev. 19:13 Jesus is the one whose robe is dipped in blood. Not the blood of another, but with his own blood, shed on the cross. He is alive today.
     
  14. welcome bro be blessed.
     
  15. Hi evangj, and welcome to TalkJesus! I love your statement on Joseph & Jesus: The Robe Dipped in Blood. I never realized how Joseph was a prophetic picture of Jesus, until now. Wow! I am really amazed by this. Thank you so much for sharing that with us! *genesis!
     
  16. Hi Shobba, and welcome to TalkJesus! *genesis!
     
  17. That is beautiful, evangj! Yes Jesus is alive & He speaks to me all the time.
    Once again, I truly do love what you wrote. May I share this, with another group that I am a member of? I want you to know, you got through to me. Thank you.
    *genesis!
     
  18. Welcome to Talk Jesus, Shoba. I hope you enjoy this site like I do.


    SLE
     
  19. Evangej,

    Welcome to Talk Jesus and thanks for the posts on the Joseph of Genesis 37. Like the previous writer (Jonah 2005bt), I had never thought of this Joseph as a prophetic prefiguration of Jesus.

    SLE
     
  20. Thank you very much for your messages.
    May the Lord bless you too.
    Peace from Him to you all
     

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