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Hebrews 10:26

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I know what it reads & I understand most of it but I am having a difficult time understanding the end of the scripture. I have it below in red.

(KJV)For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

I kinda get it BUT that's not good enough for me. What does this mean exactly?

THANK YOU Jesus Lovers for all your help & input.
 
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The "receiving the knowledge of the truth" is a qualifier for the whole verse.
Knowledge is knowing and Jesus who called himself the truth said the truth will set you free.

If you believe by faith then you don't have knowledge.
By faith we believe but knowledge knows and has no use for believing what is known.
This knowing is received and that state of mind is sinless because the truth sets you free from sin.

Most Christians are still in a state of mind that is willfully trying not to sin.Some doing slightly better
than others because of willpower.This verse does not concern those battling sin it concerns those who
by revelation and the power of the Holy Spirit are operating in the mind of Christ where sin does not exist.They would have to willfully sin because they would have no natural inclination to do so.The sacrifice/atonement is for those who want to taste joy and freedom from the cares of this world.There remains no atonement because they don't seem to want one.

Even when we receive this knowledge we can become overwhelmed by the mundane business of the world and fall asleep but God is faithful to wake us up when ever we want to be woken up.Love does not demand its own way so love makes breakfast and coffee and the smell will wake us up.
 
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I know what it reads & I understand most of it but I am having a difficult time understanding the end of the scripture. I have it below in red.

(KJV)For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

I kinda get it BUT that's not good enough for me. What does this mean exactly?

THANK YOU Jesus Lovers for all your help & input.
Having "knowledge" of the truth, and being a child of God are two different things. Many people know the way of salvation, but knowing is not enough, and that knowing does not make one a child of God.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Notice: "as many as received him (the Word of God) to them it gave the power to become a child of God...." Receiving the Word, which gives "knowledge", and that knowledge gives power to the one who received it. What is that power that the Word (knowledge) gives? The power is "faith", as faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Possessing this power is useless until that power (faith) is exercised to become a child of God. Once a person receives the knowledge of the truth, and continues not to exercise it's power to become a child of God, but continues in his sinful ways, there are no other sacrifices or means in which the Lord God will give that person to bring them to salvation.

The reason why this is not talking about a child of God is because who ever is born of God does not continue to practice sin.

1Jn 5:18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.
 
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You can know all about something and never experience that thing.
To know about God is very different than knowing God.You don't need faith or belief to know gravity.
But scientists are still seeking to know about gravity.


Psalm 56:9 Then my enemies will turn back when I call for help. By this I will know that God is for me.
In this verse the psalmist who knows about something is waiting for an experience that is beyond needing faith.

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
This knowledge is not waiting for eternal life,it is eternal life.

I'm sure you have heard the term "to know in the biblical sense".
A bride knows about a husband but when a marriage is consummated the two are one.

You can know about God and and know about sin at the same time,but to know God is eternal life and sin does not exist in eternal life.
The "one" born of God can't sin because he does not comprehend it.He would have to willfully seek something other than eternal life.
So if we are struggling with sin then the gospel is indeed good news because we can know that it's about God's power and not willpower.
We do resist the devil until the truth sets us free,until then we believe and walk in the love we know about by faith.
 
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I know what it reads & I understand most of it but I am having a difficult time understanding the end of the scripture. I have it below in red.

(KJV)For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

I kinda get it BUT that's not good enough for me. What does this mean exactly?

THANK YOU Jesus Lovers for all your help & input.
The truth is Jesus. Knowledge of Him is that He is our Lord who died for our sins. The last part is a warning (duh :smile:). We have to see it as a harsh warning. Not literal to any still alive.

A. We need to remember / grasp one important thing about Paul's teaching style. He never isolated saved from unsaved when preaching. He always spoke to all in the church as though they are saved. Look at 1 Cor 5:1. Does he honestly believe people in incest are saved when he says something like 1 Cor 6:9-13? No. He is being respectful. He grasps that though they may not be truly saved, they still have hope of coming right.

B. Receiving the knowledge of the truth is not necessarily receiving the truth. People can know about Jesus but not know Jesus.

Considering both, we see that Paul is warning us harshly. If when we examine ourselves we find that we are continuing in sin wilflully, be very afraid. This is evidence of us NOT being Christians. NOT loving the Lord > hating sin. Possibly being inoculated against the knowledge of Jesus / playing a game of Christianity.

It does not matter whether we believe in OSAS or Arminianism. All that matters is what we find when we judge ourselves. Hence Paul tells us to do this in fear and trembling Phil 2:12.

This verse applies only if we die. All living have hope of coming right. Nobody alive is sinning wilfully at full measure.
 
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Very good question! It sounds scary, but it's about consistent and unrepentant sinning.

From http://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-10-26.html

"Does Hebrews 10:26 mean that a believer can lose salvation?"

“For if we are willfully sinning after receiving the full knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice concerning sins.” Hebrews 10:26-29 warns against the sin of apostasy. Apostasy is an intentional falling away or defection. Apostates are those who move toward Christ, right up to the edge of saving belief, who hear and understand the Gospel, and are on the verge of saving faith, but then reject what they have learned and turn away. These are people who are perhaps even aware of their sin and even make a profession of faith. But rather than going on to spiritual maturity, their interest in Christ begins to diminish, the things of the world have more attraction to them rather than less, and eventually they lose all desire for the things of God and they turn away. The Lord illustrated these types of people in the second and third soils of Matthew 13:1-9, 18-23. These are those who “receive with joy” the things of the Lord, but who are drawn away by the cares of the world or turned off by difficulties they encounter because of Christ.

“Willful sinning” in this passage carries the idea of consciously and deliberately rejecting Christ. To know God’s way, to hear it preached, to study it, to count oneself among the faithful, and then to turn away is to become apostate. Sinning willfully carries with it the idea of sinning continually and deliberately. Such a person does not sin because of ignorance, nor is he carried away by momentary temptations he is too weak to resist. The willful sinner sins because of an established way of thinking and acting which he has no desire to give up. The true believer, on the other hand, is one who lapses into sin and loses temporary fellowship with God. But he will eventually come back to God in repentance because his heavenly Father will continually woo and convict him until he can’t stay away any longer. The true apostate will continue to sin, deliberately, willingly and with abandon. John tells us that “No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him and he cannot sin, because he is born of God” (1 John 3:9).

Apostates have knowledge, but no application of that knowledge. They can be found in the presence of the light of Christ, mostly in the church, among God’s people. Judas Iscariot is the perfect example—he had knowledge but he lacked true faith. No other rejector of the truth had more or better exposure to the love and grace of God than Judas. He was part of Jesus’ inner circle of disciples, eating, sleeping, and traveling with Him for years. He saw the miracles and heard the words of God from Jesus’ very lips, from the best preacher the world has ever known, and yet he not only turned away but was instrumental in the plot to kill Jesus.

Having turned his back on the truth, and with full knowledge choosing to willfully and continually sin, the apostate is then beyond salvation because he has rejected the one true sacrifice for sins: the Lord Jesus Christ. If Christ’s sacrifice is rejected, then all hope of salvation is gone. To turn away willfully from this sacrifice leaves no sacrifice; it leaves only sin, the penalty for which is eternal death. This passage is not speaking of a believer who falls away, but rather someone who may claim to be a believer, but truly is not. Anyone who apostatizes is proving he never had genuine faith to begin with (1 John 2:19).
 
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KJV)For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Let's go backwards here, there remain no more sacrifices.
Jesus died once for all, was resurrected and sat down unlike any priest before him, whose job had to be repeated day after day for thousands of years, to end on the "Day of Atonement", which had to be repeated annually. Jesus was our final priest and mediator. Here it is: You can't be a Christian and still willfully sin, unless you have not been saved yet. You may have heard or tasted a bit of the Holy Spirit but you never fully committed.If it WHERE possible for you to be a true Christian but willfully sin ( no repentance)as you wished, where is the sacrifice when you want to be saved the next time......there remains no more sacrifice...Jesus will not allow himself to be sacrificed again and , like scripture says that would be much to his humiliation!
Again, Jesus died once for your sins and subsequent salvation. He did not die for you to start willfully sinning as before....be saved...you start UN-repentantly sinning again and he will die again for your willful transgression.
 
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Greetings @RJ

May I ask for some clarification on some things you wrote, please?

You can't be a Christian and still willfully sin, unless you have not been saved yet.
this doesn't really make sense to me. The two parts don't seem to go together.


You may have heard or tasted a bit of the Holy Spirit but you never fully committed
How is this so? Does being "fully committed" require effort and work on our part? Does the "Holy Spirit" get heard and tasted by non Christians? Scripture?


...be saved...you start UN-repentantly sinning again and he will die again for your willful transgression.
Does this mean that, "he will die again"? This seems to contradict what you said earlier in your reply?


willfully sin ( no repentance)
This is an interesting thought, willfully sin = no repentance. Am I correct that this is what you are saying here? Can you please expand on this for us?

Thank you and bless you ....><>
 
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The truth is Jesus. Knowledge of Him is that He is our Lord who died for our sins. The last part is a warning (duh :smile:). We have to see it as a harsh warning. Not literal to any still alive.

A. We need to remember / grasp one important thing about Paul's teaching style. He never isolated saved from unsaved when preaching. He always spoke to all in the church as though they are saved. Look at 1 Cor 5:1. Does he honestly believe people in incest are saved when he says something like 1 Cor 6:9-13? No. He is being respectful. He grasps that though they may not be truly saved, they still have hope of coming right.

B. Receiving the knowledge of the truth is not necessarily receiving the truth. People can know about Jesus but not know Jesus.

Considering both, we see that Paul is warning us harshly. If when we examine ourselves we find that we are continuing in sin wilflully, be very afraid. This is evidence of us NOT being Christians. NOT loving the Lord > hating sin. Possibly being inoculated against the knowledge of Jesus / playing a game of Christianity.

It does not matter whether we believe in OSAS or Arminianism. All that matters is what we find when we judge ourselves. Hence Paul tells us to do this in fear and trembling Phil 2:12.

This verse applies only if we die. All living have hope of coming right. Nobody alive is sinning wilfully at full measure.
Greetings @KingJ ,

may I ask about some things you wrote?

He never isolated saved from unsaved when preaching.
At the beginning of all his letters/epistles, Paul addressed the Christians to whom he was writing, as far as I recall. Could you please indicate where the statement you wrote comes from?

The Apostle Paul delivered that man to chastisement for a season, for his good and later instructed the church to receive him with love. There is no suggestion that he was not a believer. Can you please find Scripture that says otherwise in direct reference to this verse?

He is being respectful. He grasps that though they may not be truly saved, they still have hope of coming right.
Paul was not being respectful. He had no need to be. He was writing as an Apostle for the building up and edification of the Body. How, please, can someone be "not truly saved"? May I ask for Scripture that explains what you have written here?

Receiving the knowledge of the truth is not necessarily receiving the truth.
While I understand possibly what you are saying in this sentence, it is quite possible to understand it incorrectly. Coming to the knowledge is actually a good thing, from what I recall in Scripture. Also, we read in Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of His mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. Is it possible that you can re-phrase that or at least expound a little, please?

Nobody alive is sinning wilfully at full measure.
I do not understand this statement. Can you please explain for us? How, for example does one sin "at full measure"?

Thank you and bless you ....><>
 
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You can't be a Christian and still willfully sin, unless you have not been saved yet.
this doesn't really make sense to me. The two parts don't seem to go together.
That is right. A true, "Born Again" Christian, with Christ in him and now saved, does not commit willful or UN-repentant sin! The only way for one to commit, on purpose, with no regard, willful, UN-repentant sin is to be currently unsaved. This does not mean a Christian can not sin, it just means a , now Christian, will not continue to sin willfully with no regret or being repentant.

You may have heard or tasted a bit of the Holy Spirit but you never fully committed
How is this so? Does being "fully committed" require effort and work on our part? Does the "Holy Spirit" get heard and tasted by non Christians? Scripture?
Hebrews 10:26
Hebrews 10:26-29
Hebrews 6:4
Many hear the word, that is a "taste"....does not mean he is in you or you are "Born Again"? No! Many disagree....maybe you are one but, Judas was one. We are talking about Apostasy here...all out rejection of Christ. Judas certainly knew who Jesus was, tasted the fruit but in the end, "fell away" to Apostasy; because he never fully committed to Jesus.

.be saved...you start UN-repentantly sinning again and he will die again for your willful transgression.
Does this mean that, "he will die again"? This seems to contradict what you said earlier in your reply?
These can be confusing scriptures but I see no contradiction on what I read or say. This is a, kind of, play on words, or Paul's use of an Irony. That is the whole point, HE will not die again! You can't go in or out of salvation and expect Christ to crawl up on the cross each subsequent time you are ready to be saved again! He died once for all...you are either saved the first time or you are not!

willfully sin ( no repentance)
This is an interesting thought, willfully sin = no repentance. Am I correct that this is what you are saying here? Can you please expand on this for us?
Think about it. You are saved, Christ is in you right? Do you continue or even for an instant sin with no regard or a repentant heat over it?
What else can "Willful" sin mean here but unrepentant? Yes, we are not perfect but, one of the "first Fruits" of the Holy Spirit in us is a repentant heart when we do, a gift from God....not like before we where saved!
 
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At the beginning of all his letters/epistles, Paul addressed the Christians to whom he was writing, as far as I recall. Could you please indicate where the statement you wrote comes from?
Every letter he wrote. His letters were always to the church and saints in the town. I am harping on the fact that those in the church / those he called Christians / those he called saints consisted of saved and unsaved. Many attend church but are not saved. IE he differentiates between those professing to be Christians VS those not professing. Those in church attendance VS those not.

The Apostle Paul delivered that man to chastisement for a season, for his good and later instructed the church to receive him with love. There is no suggestion that he was not a believer. Can you please find Scripture that says otherwise in direct reference to this verse?
Where does it say he was restored? It says he should be restored. If he doesn't repent and change his ways, it says they must kick him out of the church. ''Him'' can also be read as plural and not singular.

1 Cor 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

There is no suggestion that he was not a believer
1 Cor 5:11-13 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

This passage makes it clear that we have wolves in sheep's clothing. We don't judge wolves that do not profess to be Christians. But we do judge wolves that do.

While I understand possibly what you are saying in this sentence, it is quite possible to understand it incorrectly. Coming to the knowledge is actually a good thing, from what I recall in Scripture. Also, we read in Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of His mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. Is it possible that you can re-phrase that or at least expound a little, please?
I agree with Prov 2:6. Much like God reveals to us by His Holy Spirit that Jesus is Lord 1 Cor 12:3. We would like to believe that all who call Jesus Lord are saved. But Matt 7:22 makes it clear that this is not the case. Believing VS knowing Jesus is Lord. Holding onto the things of God and not God. Matt 7:22 VS James 1:27.

I do not understand this statement. Can you please explain for us? How, for example does one sin "at full measure"?
It is God's cut off point. When you sin full measure your time is up. The Amorites were not annihilated at a time when their sin was not full measure Gen 15:16. Jonah was sent to Nineveh because Nineveh's sin was close to full measure. Sodom and Gomorrah were annihilated because their sin was full measure. Every Jew stoned to death, was stoned because their sin was full measure. So full measure points to mortal sins. It points to unrepentant sins. It points to societies sin at large being severe as with Noah. It is also really just common sense too. I mean God did not obliterate Sodom for the sin of giving too much candy to kids. God did not obliterate Sodom before He obliterated them. So clearly they tempted Him more then ever before and what else except for volume and severity of sin, as they always (we always) had sin.
 
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Greetings,

Where does it say he was restored?
Please consider this:

But I determined this with myself, that I would not come again to you in heaviness. For if I make you sorry, who is he then that maketh me glad, but the same which is made sorry by me? And I wrote this same unto you, lest, when I came, I should have sorrow from them of whom I ought to rejoice; having confidence in you all, that my joy is the joy of you all. For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.


But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all. Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him. For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things. To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

2Corinthians 2:1-11

May I confirm the position that we need to recall and remind each other of for both our steadfastness and the LORD's Glory and Praise:

Psalm 93

The LORD reigneth, He is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith He hath girded Himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Thy throne is established of old: Thou art from everlasting.

The floods have lifted up, O LORD, the floods have lifted up their voice; the floods lift up their waves.

The LORD on high is mightier than the noise of many waters, yea, than the mighty waves of the sea.

Thy testimonies are very sure: holiness becometh Thine house, O LORD, for ever.



Bless you ....><>
 

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