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BroTan

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And Jesus came and spake unto them saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the Holy Ghost;" (Matthew 28:18-19). These two verses have been mistakenly taught for generations. One mistake religious leaders make is baptizing people without teaching them about Jesus and His doctrine (teaching). Romans 10: verse 17, informs us that faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Therefore, how can you baptize someone in a belief (faith), when the person being baptized, has no knowledge about faith? Contrary to popular beliefs, faith in Jesus is more than calling his name. It’s about knowing the name you are calling on. "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" (Romans10:13-15).

Only a bible preacher can instruct out of the bible. Jesus warned us that many false prophets have gone out into the world; so, please, make sure that your preacher has been sent by God. You can tell the false prophets by their fruit (deeds); if they are not reading and living the entire bible then do not take heed (listen) to them.


Let us return to the main lesson. In Matthew 28, verse 19, the Lord commands his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, the son, and the Holy Ghost. This is where religious leaders make their second mistake concerning baptism. They (religious leaders) will submerge (bring under water) the same person three times, to uphold the commandment to baptize in the name of the Father, son, and Holy Ghost. However, "Father", and "Son" are not names, but are a status to describe one's position in life; and the Holy Ghost is slang for the Holy Spirit. Jesus said to be baptized "in the name of the Father, son, and Holy Ghost", so, let's find someone with a name that relates to all three.

Jesus Christ said, "I am come in my father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." (John 5:43). This scripture informs us that both the father and the son's name is Jesus, because Jesus said that he came in his father's name. Jesus also, said; "But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26). The Lord has spoken! We are to baptize, and be baptized in the name of Jesus. There are no exceptions!
 
Hi Tan,

I don't doubt that you are sincere about what you've written but I have to say I'm not in agreement with your views on baptism.

I believe that baptism according to the Bible has nothing to do with a depth of knowledge of God, it's purpose is a ceremony of public declaration of repentance and acceptance to follow Jesus. That knowledge, experience and growing relationship with God follows on from that moment of commitment and develops over years. So baptism is an obedience to God and the sooner you're in obedience the better.

For that reason I'm not sure that baptism classes are strictly scriptural. I've been to baptism ceremonies where after baptizing the candidate, the baptizer has asked if anybody else wants to 'join him through the waters of baptism?' And more often than not there are, and it's wonderful to see.

This is what the Bible says about instant baptism-

Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” Acts 8:36‭-‬37 NIV

I agree with you that three baptisms is a bit weird, I've never come across that. I was baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and just the once.
 
Greetings Andy,

I think that the thought was that we need to know why we believe... why God sent His Son... how do we fit in to His Salvation.

I agree that drawn out lessons in preparation are not always the solution or manner in which a person might come to baptism but at the same time, there must be some basic foundational understanding of the grace of God in Jesus Christ and how and what that works out for the 'convert'.

I do recall the three dips method but hadn't heard of it for a while now. Father, Son and Holy Ghost is the instruction we have in the Bible, as you know.
I am not altogether sure the OP was able to clearly express in terms we might be used to but i think the general idea was/is there.

Some folk deny the need or benefit of Baptism. The OP seems to be pointing to its importance and knowing of the Lord, in Whose name we conduct baptism.


Bless you Brother ....><>
 
Mark 16:16; "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

Acts 2:38; Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 19:4; Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."

1Pet 3:21; Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

I don't believe that baptism alone saves anyone. But there are a few verses that seem to indicate it's not an option. 1 Pet 3:21 and Mark 16:16;
Typically when non-Pentecostals say baptized, they mean water baptism.
And while Pentecostals also believe in water baptism, to them being baptized in the Holy Spirit is more important.

Matt 3:11; "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Luke 3:16; John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
John 1:33; "I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'
Acts 1:5; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

So I guess the question could apply to both?

I do recall the three dips method but hadn't heard of it for a while now. Father, Son and Holy Ghost is the instruction we have in the Bible, as you know.

It seems I recall hearing of this also, however in Acts 19, the 3 baptisms are explained differently.

Acts 19:1; It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples.
Acts 19:2; He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Acts 19:3; And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."
Acts 19:4; Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
Acts 19:5; When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6; And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Acts 19:7; There were in all about twelve men.

So are verses 4, 5, and 6 three different baptisms? Or at the least 2 different ones?

1Cor 12:13; For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Luke 11:13; "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

Have you asked?

Acts 5:32; "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."

Are you obeying God?
 
Hi Tan,

I don't doubt that you are sincere about what you've written but I have to say I'm not in agreement with your views on baptism.

I believe that baptism according to the Bible has nothing to do with a depth of knowledge of God, it's purpose is a ceremony of public declaration of repentance and acceptance to follow Jesus. That knowledge, experience and growing relationship with God follows on from that moment of commitment and develops over years. So baptism is an obedience to God and the sooner you're in obedience the better.

For that reason I'm not sure that baptism classes are strictly scriptural. I've been to baptism ceremonies where after baptizing the candidate, the baptizer has asked if anybody else wants to 'join him through the waters of baptism?' And more often than not there are, and it's wonderful to see.

This is what the Bible says about instant baptism-

Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” Acts 8:36‭-‬37 NIV

I agree with you that three baptisms is a bit weird, I've never come across that. I was baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and just the once.

I agree because if we truly love God, then we will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues). These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38).
 
To reject baptism is death; so, why will you die? Every soul that is baptized honors God and every soul that rejects baptism dishonors God. "And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30). People, if you are in a position to be baptized, why reject the counsel of God? Rejecting God's counsel will get you eternal life in the burning flames (lake of fire) with the scribes and Pharisees. "For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, Ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5: 20).
 
"But when they believed Phillip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." hen Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:13-17):

Another important thing to understand concerning the Baptism brother and sisters. one must be submerge under water fully. Lets take a look in Act 8:35-39 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

"And it came to pass, that, while Apollo was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, "We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.” And he said unto them, "unto what then were ye baptized?" And they said unto John's baptism.

Then Paul said, “John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him who should come after him, that is, Jesus Christ.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve." (Acts 19:1-7).
 
Listen people, only adults are to be baptized, because once you go under the water in Jesus’ name, you are then under the blood of Jesus and the Lord is going to hold you responsible. Woe be unto anyone, who takes the Lord's name in vain! He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses. How much of a sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the spirit of the grace? For we know him that hath said, "Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense," saith the Lord. And again, the Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10:28-31).

So, by all means do the right thing, and come be ye baptized. Don't hesitate; the very life you save will be your own. Remember, the Pharisees, and that, because they rejected the counsel of God, they will be tossed into the burning flames; at the "Great White Throne Judgment,” where they will be tormented forever. Therefore, don't be a modern day Pharisee; get smart, come ye to the water and wash away your sins.
 
Listen people, only adults are to be baptized, because once you go under the water in Jesus’ name, you are then under the blood of Jesus and the Lord is going to hold you responsible. Woe be unto anyone, who takes the Lord's name in vain! He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses. How much of a sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the spirit of the grace? For we know him that hath said, "Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense," saith the Lord. And again, the Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10:28-31).

So, by all means do the right thing, and come be ye baptized. Don't hesitate; the very life you save will be your own. Remember, the Pharisees, and that, because they rejected the counsel of God, they will be tossed into the burning flames; at the "Great White Throne Judgment,” where they will be tormented forever. Therefore, don't be a modern day Pharisee; get smart, come ye to the water and wash away your sins.
Fooy!
Under water, one, two or three method are all fooy...all man-made.

People mistaken :"BAPTISM" only water associated with being "dunked"..food!

Many à good Christian mistakes Baptism with water because what they think Jesus told Nicodemus in the book of JOHN that person MUST be born of Water and the Spirit to be saved hence Water Baptism! and because the Bible repeatedly mentions being baptized in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit; again ,for many, this requires Water Baptism.
But, Jesus was telling Nicodemus that a man, to be saved, he must have two births: one of water AND one of the Spirit.
Jesus further explained this to Nicodemus by saying; " Flesh gives birth to flesh and the Spirit gives birth to Spirit !

The first birth we all have, "Born of water" (the womb) and the second birth is the birth into the Kingdom of God by the Holy Spirit...If you believe in Jesus , as your personal and only Savior, God will infuse you with His Spirit, hence "Born of the Spirit"!

WATER BAPTISM IS AND CAN BE A VERY SPECIAL MOMENT BUT, you can be born of God, "Born of the Spirit", in or out of the water!
 
Fooy!
Under water, one, two or three method are all fooy...all man-made.

People mistaken :"BAPTISM" only water associated with being "dunked"..food!

Many à good Christian mistakes Baptism with water because what they think Jesus told Nicodemus in the book of JOHN that person MUST be born of Water and the Spirit to be saved hence Water Baptism! and because the Bible repeatedly mentions being baptized in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit; again ,for many, this requires Water Baptism.
But, Jesus was telling Nicodemus that a man, to be saved, he must have two births: one of water AND one of the Spirit.
Jesus further explained this to Nicodemus by saying; " Flesh gives birth to flesh and the Spirit gives birth to Spirit !

The first birth we all have, "Born of water" (the womb) and the second birth is the birth into the Kingdom of God by the Holy Spirit...If you believe in Jesus , as your personal and only Savior, God will infuse you with His Spirit, hence "Born of the Spirit"!

WATER BAPTISM IS AND CAN BE A VERY SPECIAL MOMENT BUT, you can be born of God, "Born of the Spirit", in or out of the water!

I agree born of the water in John 3rd Chater when Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


Now when it comes to the baptism Paul say in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
 
Listen people, only adults are to be baptized,
And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.​
(Acts 16:14-15 KJV)​

Are you truly trying to claim that children are NOT part of a household?

Rhema
 
And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.​
(Acts 16:14-15 KJV)​

Are you truly trying to claim that children are NOT part of a household?

Rhema
I know a many Children that are "BORN AGAIN" way before they come in contact with water!
 
I agree born of the water in John 3rd Chater when Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


Now when it comes to the baptism Paul say in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
One can be saved in or out of the water, no immersion or sprinkling necessary!!!
 
One can be saved in or out of the water, no immersion or sprinkling necessary!!!
Jesus explains to Nicodemus almost immediately...born of water is the mothers womb. BORN OF SPIRIT is the second birth , your spiritual birth from the Holy Spirit.
Flesh gives birth to flesh.
Spirit gives birth to Spirit.
To see God one must have the second birth ..Born of God!
 
Are you truly trying to claim that the King James Version of the Bible was written in "slang" rather than the King's English? :dizzy:

Rhema

No, I am not saying that at all. The Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit is one and the same that's all.
 
One can be saved in or out of the water, no immersion or sprinkling necessary!!!

Let's take a look at the water Jesus was talking about to Nicodemus in John 4: 10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. This water is the word of God.
 
And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.​
(Acts 16:14-15 KJV)​

Are you truly trying to claim that children are NOT part of a household?

Rhema


Jesus says in Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. I haven't read in the Bible infants being baptize, from Genesis to Revelation. Being baptize is a covenant (agreement) so how can an infant make a covenant with God, or with anybody for that matter.
 
Let's take a look at the water Jesus was talking about to Nicodemus in John 4: 10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. This water is the word of God.
What, may I ask: Does that have to do with being "Baptised in or out of the WATER" ?
And what does the Samaritan Woman have to with Nicodemus?
 
What, may I ask: Does that have to do with being "Baptised in or out of the WATER" ?
And what does the Samaritan Woman have to with Nicodemus?

To understand the water that Jesus was taking about to Nicodemus is referring to the word of God, but the water baptism is coming under the blood of Jesus. Overall both is needed. In the book of Revelation 22: 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
 
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