Have someone convince you, that GOD is so loving He will not send you to hell? Because it seems Like it is not important to you

[PloughBoy]

Because if it was that important, you would be carrying out a diligent search. Or do you think, that life is all about this world and making it a better place. You might be wise to take off those Rose colored shades you might be wearing.

Because GOD is a lot wiser than you may think. For there is a "new creation" to come. And a new Body to wear!l And there is only one way to get there. and only one way to wear it. For many are not going to make it. Because maybe, just maybe, it is not important to you! And since it is not important to you, just maybe , it ain't important to GOD either, that you do.... My advice is for many, to get Their "priorities" in order. It is going to be a sad day, if you miss the boat. And please do not take for granted you are so much better than most and you deserve to go to HEAVEN. SALVATION does not work that way, according to the fine writings of The Book, and just because you believe that JESUS is the Son of The Living GOD, does not get you on aboard. It is a little more complicated than that.

Now. what is more important, that "BA" that "Masters' or that "PhD" how much time ,hours , of studying, research that you engage, for something that will fade away as if it has never been. Compared to the studying and research, concerning your soul unto salvation. Is it that important, you will see, at the end of Days. The Light is going to come on! For educated people like us, there will be no excuse.

New King James Version
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16)BSB
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. ..Now there was a rich man dressed in purple and fine linen, who lived each day in joyous splendor. ...And a beggar named Lazarus lay at his gate, covered with sores…
One day the beggar died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. And the rich man also died and was buried. ..In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham from afar, with Lazarus by his side. ...So he cried out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am in agony in this fire.’…"

For this too "Is a part , of "The Gospel According to JESUS CHRIST": Our LORD and Savior.

Talking about a Thriller, it makes me "shudder". I got to stay away from that place. Come no way, near its door. It is not worth the risk, to even take a chance.

I thank GOD I shake, when i read stuff like that! Now that is Called "HOLY FEAR"! It will keep you out of the Fire.

 

[Br. Bear]

 

[Br. Bear]

In that day you will say:

“O LORD, I will praise You.
Although You were angry with me,
Your anger has turned away,
and You have comforted me.

Surely God is my salvation;
I will trust and not be afraid.
For the LORD GOD is my strength and my song,
and He also has become my salvation.”

With joy you will draw water from the springs of salvation,
and on that day you will say:

“Give praise to the LORD;
proclaim His name!

Make His works known among the peoples;
declare that His name is exalted.
Sing to the LORD, for He has done glorious things.
Let this be known in all the earth.

Cry out and sing, O citizen of Zion,
for great among you is the Holy One of Israel.”

Isaiah 12

 

[B-A-C]

He who conceals his transgressions will not prosper,
But he who confesses and forsakes them will find compassion.

Ahh.... but there the rub for some. You have to confess them yes... but you also have to forsake your sin (repent!)

 

[B-A-C]

GOD is so loving He will not send you to hell?

Some people don't realize that the love of God, is NOT the salvation of God. God may love everyone, but not everyone is saved.
God loves even sinners (un-saved) Rom 5:8; But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Yes, God is love... but the thing many people ignore is that God wants that love reciprocated.

Deut 6:4; Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!
Deut 6:5; You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might

Deut 11:1; “You shall therefore love the Lord your God, and always keep His charge, His statutes, His ordinances, and His commandments.

Deut 11:13; “It shall come about, if you listen obediently to my commandments which I am commanding you today, to love the Lord your God and to serve Him with all your heart and all your soul,
Deut 11:14; that He will give the rain for your land in its season, the early and late rain, that you may gather in your grain and your new wine and your oil.
Deut 11:15; He will give grass in your fields for your cattle, and you will eat and be satisfied.

Have you ever wondered why some places seem to perpetually have drought and famine?

Deut 13:3; you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deut 13:4; “You shall follow the Lord your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him.

John 14:15; If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

Rom 8:28; And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

John 15:10; If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

 

[Samson2020]

Because if it was that important, you would be carrying out a diligent search. Or do you think, that life is all about this world and making it a better place. You might be wise to take off those Rose colored shades you might be wearing.

Because GOD is a lot wiser than you may think. For there is a "new creation" to come. And a new Body to wear!l And there is only one way to get there. and only one way to wear it. For many are not going to make it. Because maybe, just maybe, it is not important to you! And since it is not important to you, just maybe , it ain't important to GOD either, that you do.... My advice is for many, to get Their "priorities" in order. It is going to be a sad day, if you miss the boat. And please do not take for granted you are so much better than most and you deserve to go to HEAVEN. SALVATION does not work that way, according to the fine writings of The Book, and just because you believe that JESUS is the Son of The Living GOD, does not get you on aboard. It is a little more complicated than that.

Now. what is more important, that "BA" that "Masters' or that "PhD" how much time ,hours , of studying, research that you engage, for something that will fade away as if it has never been. Compared to the studying and research, concerning your soul unto salvation. Is it that important, you will see, at the end of Days. The Light is going to come on! For educated people like us, there will be no excuse.

New King James Version
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16)BSB
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. ..Now there was a rich man dressed in purple and fine linen, who lived each day in joyous splendor. ...And a beggar named Lazarus lay at his gate, covered with sores…
One day the beggar died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. And the rich man also died and was buried. ..In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham from afar, with Lazarus by his side. ...So he cried out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am in agony in this fire.’…"

For this too "Is a part , of "The Gospel According to JESUS CHRIST": Our LORD and Savior.

Talking about a Thriller, it makes me "shudder". I got to stay away from that place. Come no way, near its door. It is not worth the risk, to even take a chance.

I thank GOD I shake, when i read stuff like that! Now that is Called "HOLY FEAR"! It will keep you out of the Fire.

Just a few question for your consideration, to help reconcile the above with other verses found in the Bible that make suggestions that ALL men will eventually be made alive in Christ.
When that day comes then hell, and death will truly be the last enemies to be placed under the feet of Jesus by the Father.

So the first question would be:

Where will all the tormented souls be when hell is no longer an enemy?

How does the Father continue to torture anyone as He has become all and IN ALL.? Does He then torture Himself?

Do we really understand the Revelation for he that reads and UNDERSTANDS the Revelation is blessed, not just the reader. Indeed the reader without understanding is left a fearful mess,
but the understanding reading is left with freedom for he comprehends the truth and love of God unto salvation of ALL. For God so loved the world that he sent Jesus...............
Who can be a believer except he who has received mercy from God? Thus He concluded ALL in unbelief so that He might have mercy on ALL.
Romans 11:32 NIV " For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have MERCY ON THEM ALL." Question is when?

Your above writing is during a time when the old law, old covenant still was in effect.
Let us consider that there is no other name by which a man must be saved other than Jesus. Let us also consider that there was no greater man born of a woman than John the Baptist according
to Jesus. But the least in the kingdom was greater than John. Thus both Abraham and John were not born again as they died prior to the instituting of the New Covenant.

Now to the good part.

1 Co 15:22 "For as in ADAM all DIE, even so in Christ SHALL all be made ALIVE." 23- But every man in his own order.....................

Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offense of one (Adam), judgement came upon ALL MEN to CONDEMNATION (Gods judgement); even so by the righteousness of one (Jesus) the FREE GIFT
came upon ALL MEN to JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE (Gods judgement)."
Both the condemnation and the justification were decrees by the Father according to what Adam had done or Jesus did. Neither decree had anything to do with anyone other than those two
men, but the decrees affected every one ever born and Adam and Eve as well.

1 Co 15:25 "For He(Jesus) must reign until He (God) has put ALL ENEMIES under His (Jesus') feet.' 26- "The last enemy to be destroyed is death."

The only way to accomplish the destruction of death is that every man should be made alive unto God in Christ as stated above in 1 Co 15:22

You see the Revelation uses much spiritual language that seems to paint a pretty bleak picture for those not found in the Lambs book of life. But in reality when you consider carefully what has
been placed back in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone you will see the same thing that you see today within the world.
1- The beast. This is simply a government system that requires functional people to run it. And God will set that up.
2-False Prophet- False religion. Again people are required to propagate false religion, and not people in chains being burned forever.
3-Death- But as we read earlier in 23 death is an enemy that is reconciled and placed under Jesus' feet. Not to mention that if death is in hell then people will die so eternal torment is not possible.
4-The grave- if people die, and they will, then the grave is necessary for placement of the body, and again no eternal torment if in the grave and dead.
5-Satan is there and all his minion, but Why? It is to carry on the work of perfecting through suffering of the next group of elect. Possibly John the Baptist, David, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph etc...
as these and any who died prior to the establishment of the New Covenant could not attain to the kingdom as they were never BORN AGAIN, as the Holy Ghost was not given until after Jesus'
ascension.

It is simply a reassembling of the things that you now see in the world today so that another group can be made alive and enter into the kingdom through much tribulation.

There are many many lines upon lines and precepts upon precepts that are necessary to understand the Love of God, and how He could eventually bring All into life through Christ, but
1 Co 15:22-23 tells us that He intends to do just that. Otherwise the power of sin would be greater than the willing sacrifice of the Son, and Jesus died for ALL not just some.

1 Co 15:28 "Now when ALL things are made subject to Him (Jesus), then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him (God) who put ALL things under Him (Jesus), that God
may be ALL in ALL. God is Love. Therefore Love is in ALL and is ALL.

Maybe this will help the understanding of the "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In the beginning God had a project, a plan, the plan was
with Him and Him only, and the plan was to reproduce Himself through life giving spirits that are the express image of himself the Bible calls either the Son or sons.
It is a propagation of Love. We who came out from God as ALL the spirits of men come from within Him are schooled in good and evil as a necessary part of becoming what the Father is
Gen 3:22..........man is become as one of us, knowing good and evil................. By design.
Thus tribulation whether you call it the lake of fire or hell is a necessary place for ALL to dwell while being conformed to the image of the first spiritually begotten Son of God.
Without sin there is no forgiveness, without forgiveness there is no becoming more like your Father which is in heaven. Everything that has ever been done on earth will one day be revealed
as Gods love to bring forth children that are just like Jesus, the first finished product of His plan(word). As He (God) calls Jesus God after his resurrection. But prior to resurrection God
tells us many times there is no other God.

Heb 5:8 "Though He were a Son learned He obedience by the things He suffered; and being MADE PERFECT He became the author of eternal salvation to all them that obey Him."

Romans 8:28 "And we know that ALL things work together for the good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose."

Ephesians 1:10-11 "That in the dispensation of the fullness of TIME(S) He might gather together in ONE ALL things in Christ (through Jesus) both which are in heaven, and on the earth;
even in Him. In whom also we have obtained an inheritance being predestinated according to the purpose of Him (God) who worketh ALL THINGS after the counsel of His own will."

The Potter molds the clay to either be a vessel to destruction or a vessel of mercy. He also has the ability to remake the vessel according to His will and purpose. We are all examples
of what used to be vessels unto destruction, but what are we now? And is any of it because of our own doing?

 

[B-A-C]

Just a few question for your consideration, to help reconcile the above with other verses found in the Bible that make suggestions that ALL men will eventually be made alive in Christ.

Really? Where?

Where will all the tormented souls be when hell is no longer an enemy?

The lake of fire will still be around, in fact hell is eventually thrown into the Lake of Fire. ( Rev 20:14; )

1 Co 15:22-23 tells us that He intends to do just that. Otherwise the power of sin would be greater than the willing sacrifice of the Son, and Jesus died for ALL not just some.

No it doesn't.

 

[Dave M]

looks like samson is a believer in universal salvation for all, is that a correct assumption samson?

 

[Samson2020]

Yes that would be correct.

 

[PloughBoy]

Many things are lost in "translating" one language to another. In translating one language to another, is more complicated than just translating one word for another. In most languages you most also think in the culture of that language, Hebrew thought is completely different from english speaking thoughts. or greek thought. And if anyone who is not familiar with Koine Greek is almost impossible for them to understands the context of The Greek Text is saying in context, when they do a word for word translating of it.

And Hebrew is even worst for those who do not know the flow of the Hebrew words conveying the Hebrew language thought patterns.

Example: Concerning the Greek: Romans; And all Israel will be saved. actual meaning is "All The Remnant of Israel will be saved" "OSAS", That is why you must know " The Whole BOOK". as whole and have read it as whole. in a very short time, so you can remember and retain what you have read., and see the "snap shot" picture in a glance in your mind, of the complete "SalVation Story". getting To Wicket Gate and traveling to Celestial City"

Can you imagine taking a exam on a book. that only can take less than a week to read. But you took a whole year to read. and at the end of the year, You have a thorough exam at the end of the year concerning the whole book. And you life depended upon you at least getting 85 % on a 1,000 questions getting right. in systematic order. And we have a "corrupted mind" especially by reason i don't want to read my Bible like that.

How many hour have you listen to a radio, or watch a Tv set. In a week.
I have been guilty and that was the fueling force that compel me to read my whole Bible in short periods of time.

Past history of my corrupted time.
1. 5 1/2 hours to play 18 holes of Golf about 2-3 times a week
2. 20 hours of exercise including swimming a week
3. 9 hours a week Martial Arts
4. 20 hours a week TV
5. 4 hours a week music
6. about 6 hours a week house cleaning
7. 2 1/2 hours of yard maintenance during yard season.

So I had to, out do, by a sense of guilt by my activities as the measuring stick pertaining to my "Theological Studies" and made sure it superseded all. Mostly by spending lest time in other endeavers

This does not mean i declare myself right and others are wrong.

"All": means all of those who have been "Chosen" of GOD. and none of Those who have been chosen of GOD will ever loose their salvation but they have been "Sealed". And GOD is not in the Business of Saving All but Saying all those that HE Has Chosen.

i have come to that conclusion by my Personal "Theological Personal Study" "Grammatical Historical" Hermeneutics. And using strong "Exegesis" and not a ounce of "Eisegesis" Explicitly. Viewing the "Holy Scripture" as a whole and no "Scripture" in Isolation of It's own self.

And I am very "content" and not into any "distress" or do i feel in error concerning the "Biblical Text" concerning this matter.

As Luther has said:
"I cannot and will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. Amen."

No one's church or denomination has influence me in these matters, neither man or beast, has either. But personal and thorough studying of the Bible Text and the same materials that others has use to translate the Biblical Text into the English language at my disposal at hand over 40 years ago, I have not veered off this course of this conclusion. And since then there has never been any kind of thoughts through all these years of studying have lead me to defer from this Truth, in any way what so ever. "Sound Doctrine" [Biblical] can never change. Man's biblical doctrine can and A church Biblical doctrine can.

But A person or a church does not define "Biblical Doctrine" The "WORD of GOD" does, it alone defines "Biblical Truth"! The church does not define "Biblical Truth" The Bible Does.

 

[Samson2020]

1 Tim 4:9 "This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10- For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, WHO IS THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially of those that believe.
11- These things command and teach."

 

[Gregoryp]

Let me get this straight, so I understand your precept. Here locally we have two gay men who are anglican priests. They perform every Sunday at the local village church not far from here. Now your saying that those two men, who have declared that Jesus died on the cross for mans sin as a living sacrifice and that Jesus is there lord and saviour, are going to heaven? Unless they repent and one moves out of there little cottage, I can tell you now neither will see paradise. God desests sin, and disobedience, so no way is he going to allow such people to share paradise with him, ever. Now I would share a clip from the tv series Fargo, but most here would not understand it from a spiritual perspective.

 

[PloughBoy]

1 Tim 4:9 "This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10- For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, WHO IS THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially of those that believe.
11- These things command and teach."

There is no other name that a man can be saved.

 

[PloughBoy]

Let me get this straight, so I understand your precept. Here locally we have two gay men who are anglican priests. They perform every Sunday at the local village church not far from here. Now your saying that those two men, who have declared that Jesus died on the cross for mans sin as a living sacrifice and that Jesus is there lord and saviour, are going to heaven? Unless they repent and one moves out of there little cottage, I can tell you now neither will see paradise. God desests sin, and disobedience, so no way is he going to allow such people to share paradise with him, ever. Now I would share a clip from the tv series Fargo, but most here would not understand it from a spiritual perspective.

The key word here is " LORD" that is supposed to be spell Capitol large "L" small capitol "O" small Capitol "R" and small Capitol "D". not all large Capitol letters or Capitol "L" and the rest all small letters is not the correct spelling in your example. or Should it be spelled in all small letters.

if it is spell correctly in you example it would be Large Capitol "L" then small Capitol letters finishing with small Capitol "D" meaning "Son of GOD" who is GOD! "If I am your "LORD" then you would do what i say! Evidently, I AM not your "LORD" if I AM not your LORD then I cannot be Your SAVIOR"

And My Father is not your Father
I hope i made it clear and understandable. For A Good and Excellent translation of "The Biblical Text" would make this use of the word "lord" clear. For is express in 4 ways, that have 4 completely different meanings. Pertaining to The "Biblical Text" of "Holy Scripture" according to "The Original Copied Manuscript of The WORD of GOD"
And the "WORD of GOD" will defend itself. But you must let it express itself on its own. with no help from you! EISEGESIS is a dangerous thing when use to express "The WORD of GOD" and its meaning.

American Standard Version (Malachi 1)
A son honoreth his father, and a servant his master: if then I am a father, where is mine honor? and if I am a master, where is my fear?
American Standard Version
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

(Matthew 7)BSB
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord,did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you;"

Every LORD knows His slave.
If he bought him, he knows him.
Especially if the Price was the Master's own Blood.
Especially He knows and Has "Sealed" it, with a Divine Sealed that cannot be broken. HE knows what he has sealed. Bought and paid with a price. And written down recorded in a "Book"., For there is also a "Paraclete".


All of this is important. So you may know, The Truth about "The Truth" about you! You must be careful, because there are many who will slip a "Mickey" in your drink! To slow you down and to tie you up. And after they tied you up, they will put a black hood over your head. You will be in that "Dungeon" like they did "Pilgrim". i been there it ain't a place to be! And the only way you can get out of there, JESUS has to come and get you out! Micheal cannot help you out of there! And you know it took awhile for "Micheal" to come to Daniels aid. But that Jesus, One day is like a Thousand years, he ain't in no hurry! LOL ......."Lord" he has been dead for 3 days and he "stinketh"

A know many walking around here thinking , GOD is some kind "Emily Post" type of Character. Ok. ' GOD will make that Devil look like a China Doll' I have read The BOOK. I don't mean a New "Modern DAY Translation" that really is not a translation at all.

The real good and excellent translation will make you have night mares. and make you try to get "Holy Quick" "What Must I do to get saved" and flee from the wrath to come"

I hope i help you tighten your belt up! i don't have to wait for people to remind me, When i preach to others I am preaching to my self. The "WORD of GOD" is like a" Two Edged Sword" "Quick and Powerful",,,,,,it cuts both ways! I am bleeding now. If you do not cut your self every now and then, when you are "Wielding That Sword" you are not handling it right or it could be dull. .....Sometimes i am so fast, i cannot get out of "The WAY". "The WAY" did you catch that?

 

[Dave M]

How many did Jesus die for?

he died for everyone,,, yet not everyone is chosen

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.”

because not everyone wants to stop living in sin, which means repenting

Luke 13:3
No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Jesus says few get to heaven most perish

Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

 

[th1bill]

Because if it was that important, you would be carrying out a diligent search. Or do you think, that life is all about this world and making it a better place. You might be wise to take off those Rose colored shades you might be wearing.

Because GOD is a lot wiser than you may think. For there is a "new creation" to come. And a new Body to wear!l And there is only one way to get there. and only one way to wear it. For many are not going to make it. Because maybe, just maybe, it is not important to you! And since it is not important to you, just maybe , it ain't important to GOD either, that you do.... My advice is for many, to get Their "priorities" in order. It is going to be a sad day, if you miss the boat. And please do not take for granted you are so much better than most and you deserve to go to HEAVEN. SALVATION does not work that way, according to the fine writings of The Book, and just because you believe that JESUS is the Son of The Living GOD, does not get you on aboard. It is a little more complicated than that.

Now. what is more important, that "BA" that "Masters' or that "PhD" how much time ,hours , of studying, research that you engage, for something that will fade away as if it has never been. Compared to the studying and research, concerning your soul unto salvation. Is it that important, you will see, at the end of Days. The Light is going to come on! For educated people like us, there will be no excuse.

New King James Version
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16)BSB
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. ..Now there was a rich man dressed in purple and fine linen, who lived each day in joyous splendor. ...And a beggar named Lazarus lay at his gate, covered with sores…
One day the beggar died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. And the rich man also died and was buried. ..In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham from afar, with Lazarus by his side. ...So he cried out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am in agony in this fire.’…"

For this too "Is a part , of "The Gospel According to JESUS CHRIST": Our LORD and Savior.

Talking about a Thriller, it makes me "shudder". I got to stay away from that place. Come no way, near its door. nessIt is not worth the risk, to even take a chance.

I thank GOD I shake, when i read stuff like that! Now that is Called "HOLY FEAR"! It will keep you out of the Fire.

Very well thought out and worded post, sir. So, very, many believe in a Candy God of total Sweetness bearing an All Forgiving Justice bearing no Accountability. Having been a Guitar Picking Blues and Country Blues Singer it quickly became normal for me to lead and to sing Specials and give Testimonials in various Prisons. Baptist and, Pentecostal Churches. So it is that I have heard of the Non-Judgmental YHWH, Yashua ha,Mashiah and Ruach ha,Qudesh. I will admit to never hearing the respect that an assortment of foreign nationals paid to me by learning the proper enunciation of my first name. Willis has been so distorted by the English Speaking world that many question the proper enunciation of a 'w' in German.

But people around the globe find proper enunciation important and so do I, especially when it comes to my LORD and Creator. Paleo Hebrew had no vowels and the 'h' as I'm led to understand often had/has a glutteral "K" sound, as in the German Composer Bach. This is a personal matter of respect but it very near the number one place in my personal worship. Ploughboy, hold tightly to your personal worship, I see The Holy Trinity making note of such personal relationships.

 

[Samson2020]

he died for everyone,,, yet not everyone is chosen

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.”

because not everyone wants to stop living in sin, which means repenting

Luke 13:3
No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Jesus says few get to heaven most perish

Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

The narrow gate is Jesus.
No man can enter in through that gate unless called by God. Romans 9:16 "So then it is not of him that wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy."
Romans 11:32 "For God hath committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on ALL."KJV
" " "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon ALL."NKJV
" " "For God has imprisoned everyone in disobedience, so that He could have mercy on everyone."NIV

After all, it is the mercy of God that gives one the faith to believe as 16 speaks of as well as Eph 2:8. Then 32 says that they have all been committed to unbelief/disobedience so that he
might/could have mercy on ALL.

This also agrees with Romans 5:18

 

[Dave M]

No man can enter in through that gate unless called by God. Romans 9:16 "So then it is not of him that wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy."

All men are called by God not all men accept the calling. Have you read the parrabbe of the weeding feast?? Everyone made excuses why they could not come.

You seem to want to take away our responsiblity yet Jesus himself say if anyone knock he will enter and have dinner with them, he tells us all that seek him will find him, the issue is not all seek him

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

You see we have to open the door to Jesus calling, plenty of people just do not open the door, the cares of the this world such as the riches and pleasure here choke out what is important.

Samson the problem with your theology is that is encourages SIN and says live like you want now and later on we all be saved,,,,,,, this is simply not true how you live now determines wear you live for eternaty

 

[PloughBoy]

Wanted to say a few words about this passage. And it is not easy to do. Almost gave me a headache.

If we were to rightly divide the Word of God we could come to an understanding that involves the fact that at the time Jesus was saying these things the NEW COVENANT had not yet been established, so he gave analogy, or parable, or even hypothetical, or spoke according to Mosaic law.
While true that Abraham could not traverse the distance between himself and the rich man.
It is also true that the sin of the world had not been removed until Jesus shed His blood for all sin. And nailed the law that was unfulfillable, (except for Him) and against man to His cross.
And all 3 were not born again, as without the Spirit they were none of His. Romans 8:9 And it was not given until the day of Pentecost.

Now we know from scripture that when a man dies his spirit returns to God who gave it, and that without the spirit the body is dead. Ecc 12:7, James 2:26.
So in the above passage all 3 men were dead men whose spirits had returned to God and their bodies turned to dust.
Which begs the question how were they having a discussion among themselves?
And why were any in a better place than the other, even though none were in the kingdom? If being a good person got you there, or suffering as Lazarus got you there, then no need
to be born from above, nor sacrificing Jesus.
Even though all were sinners. Romans 11:32

Could this possibly be an analogy to love thy neighbor as thyself?
As Ch 17 continues the conversation and that is the general lesson

The hypothetical example is Luke 17:7-9
We should all know the parables
And we all know that the adulterous woman was to be stoned according to Mosaic law, but He put a twist on it by saying, "he that is without sin cast the first stone."
I.E. He spoke according to Mosaic law, but convicted all who were there of their own sin removing the penalty the woman should have paid according to the law. A glimpse of what was coming.

Back to the New Covenant.
1 Peter 4:6 "For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are DEAD, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

It would appear that after His death and resurrection He breached the chasm and preached unto the dead which I have to believe included all 3 of the men spoken of.
And according to 1 Peter 4:6 they will be judged as men in the flesh, un-born again, at the general resurrection, but LIVE according to God in the spirit.

This also agrees with Romans 5:18 that ....the FREE GIFT came upon ALL men unto Justification of life."

Why else preach the Gospel to the dead unless the dead will one day live unto God in the spirit?????

LOL, may i say this in kindness in my confession of faith in which i am called.

1. I am not a christian, for i do not profess to be one. I am different. So as i have said to many, even my mother when she was alive. So many will be in error to
.....believe i am one. Since i do not profess to be one, as i have said to many do not view or look for me to act like one! I am different. I am not into any ones ......religion, but i respect all.

2. I am not into the fields of "religious studies," or "Christian Apologetics" For my field of study is "Theology Proper" although the "Etymology" has gravely ......change in ......meaning. I have not. ... I am 70 years old. And "theological " terminology's and definitions has so change and will continue to change more and .......more each day. In which is not alarming too many and others it will be.

3....So, i do not defend the "Holy Scripture" , but since I am not a christian, but I am A "Child of The LIVING GOD" and not by choice. I do not have to defend "The WORDS that HE SPOKE" through HIS only begotten SON. For "GOD" is Big enough to defend HIMSELF and i am not in the arena, to even "explain" of what HE has said: and to convey that "TRUTH" to a mortal man.

For I am Not A christian so i do not act like one, neither do i talk like one. For I am different. I do not explain it, but i might "Quote" it, or Print it out and sometimes i might "Paraphrase" it, of what he has said into the "english" language into the "vernacular" or in a type of "idiom" that hearers may understand. And this too, is considered in the "category" of The "Gift of Languages" that is given to HIs "children" for it was "Prophesies" a long time ago that it would come to pass. It was a" Promise" written down In "Scripture" and Scripture cannot be broken.

4. And you know that a Biblical "testament" is completely different like day are night from a "Biblical Covenant" they are not the same. But in this Modern Day christianity transfers meaning as they please veering here and veering there as they well please. A lot of christians and their leaders use the two terminologies interchangeable. Driving their religious thinking into all avenues of "christian thought patterns" instead of one path there are many! And "The WAY" of TRUTH is evilly spoke of.


Finally "The LION has Come Out of The DEN"

(Isaiah 55)ESV
“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven
and do not return there but water the earth,
making it bring forth and sprout,
giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
it shall not return to me empty,
but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it."

Not many have called that Language; "Calvinese" "one LORD, one faith, one baptism,"

And the 'Title Thread' still stands
"Have someone convince you, that GOD is so loving He will not send you to hell? Because it seems Like it is not important to you"

Goal, to give "Headaches"

Mission accomplish

PS.... I know one thing, my neighbor do not want me to "love' him like I love myself If he do, he will be in trouble! .."He better hope, i will not harm him, like i will not harm myself! "treat others as you wish they will treat you" No me no harm, and i will not harm you! "that is called "Ghetto Vernacular" which is a "Language". For even the trained "Linguistic major" will testify to that. "hello Pentecostals" are you listening to? Or do you need an interpreter as well.

I am not a christian, but i do speak "Calvinese". And I am "a Child of The LIVING GOD" and not by choice! I have been "Born of GOD" and Chosen to be so, "before the Foundation of The WORLDS, both visible and invisible! And I am not "ASHAME" of "The GOSPEL ACCORDING to JESUS CHRIST" which is not the gospel according to man about JESUS ChRIST but ACCORDING to JESUS about Himself.

Hot Diggity Dog, I am snapping my fingers and shaking my head. Hallelujah! And giving GOD all The Praises, I am who i am. "A Child of GOD" and when i get to glory, I ain't going to have a dress on. Because "Sons" don't wear dresses. For I am one of The Sons of The LIVING GOD" And I am not a Bride! I am one of The Sons! And when i see Him I am going to look just like HIM!

[Calvinese,] "these men has come down to us, and they have "Turn the World upside down" who are these people?

And They will be called "The Sons of The LIVING GOD"

(Romans 9)BSB
"As He says in Hosea: “I will call them ‘My People’ who are not My people, and I will call her ‘My Beloved’ who is not My beloved,” and, “It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”

"For The Lion has come out of The Thicket"

[For this LION you do not have to defend]. "The Lion of The Tribe of Judah"

 

[Samson2020]

1. I am not a christian, for i do not profess to be one. I am different. So as i have said to many, even my mother when she was alive. So many will be in error to
.....believe i am one. Since i do not profess to be one, as i have said to many do not view or look for me to act like one! I am different. I am not into any ones ......religion, but i respect all.

2. I am not into the fields of "religious studies," or "Christian Apologetics" For my field of study is "Theology Proper" although the "Etymology" has gravely ......change in ......meaning. I have not. ... I am 70 years old. And "theological " terminology's and definitions has so change and will continue to change more and .......more each day. In which is not alarming too many and others it will be.

3....So, i do not defend the "Holy Scripture" , but since I am not a christian, but I am A "Child of The LIVING GOD" and not by choice. I do not have to defend "The WORDS that HE SPOKE" through HIS only begotten SON. For "GOD" is Big enough to defend HIMSELF and i am not in the arena, to even "explain" of what HE has said: and to convey that "TRUTH" to a mortal man.

Considering what you say here I must ask why then do you start so many threads and encourage others to be readers of the Bible?
One would assume you are trying to make a point with the threads, but if your not willing to defend your stance why are you taking one?

Can I also assume that since you cannot or will not answer the questions you don't know the answers, or are not willing to dig for them?
You would make a fine politician always skirting the questions with a lot of rhetorical @@@!@!@!@!