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Hating countries for political reasons - its not loving

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The reason I am posting is because I believe people are still sensible and reasonable on this forums. I have been hurt so many times on Christian forums I don't even visit them anymore, except here. So please bear with me.

I have been a first hand victim of ostracization against my Chinese nationality. It got me depressed for many years and sowed lots of hatred inside me, that was before I knew God, of course. But I literally saw the world as evil and hated it because of what I had to endure as a Chinese. People were hating my country because of Communism, and then generalized all Chinese people to be wicked, even if they never broke the law or harmed anyone. This is nothing surprising from an unbelieving world now since as a follower of Christ I know all these racial, political, religious animosity are sowed by the devil himself. But to see this from Christians is discouraging and somewhat painful.

Let's examine objective history to see if hatred of a country due to its politics is even reasonable.

1) China never invented Communism. Communism was invented by Karl Marx who is a German. So why is only China hated, but not Karl Marx for inventing Communism? Seems absurd isn't it?

So why did China subscribe to Communism? I don't care about politics but as a nation China needed a country wide revolution desperately. Qing Dynasty was overthrown in early 1900s due to foreign invasion by the West and China faced two decades of civil unrest and military campaigns (armies fighting against one another for control of land and wealth) after that, citizens were stricken with poverty and death. It was very hard to even survive during that time and people lived in desperation. Communism started to become a political movement during this period as a hope for equity and unity, there was no Communist government yet. Then WW2 started and China was invaded in 1937. Kuomingtang Government was corrupt at that time and lots of authority figures were oppressing the citizens, seizing their wealth for greed (This is reflected in literature written by Chinese literature writers who lived during that period). During WW2 when Japan invaded China, there were a lot of wrong decisions made by KMT government and giving up of lands to the Japanese that caused more suffering for the citizens - Nanjing Massacre as an example. People wanted a changed country, a new government, no poverty, no corruption and equity of wealth. It is not surprising then that Communism was very appealing as a political ideal.

For a good period of time Communism did bring welfare to the poor and oppressed, if it was nothing but garbage another revolution would have happened. Communism ultimately failed to live up to its ideals because of the corruption of human nature, and China has adapted and changed it since then. China could not afford another war based revolution or even political upheaval because it lived in war and poverty for decades since the downfall of Qing Dynasty. It can only change and adapt with what it already adopted.

2) China has never started an invasion on another country since the founding of CCP - and it hasn't invaded a foreign country and expanded beyond East Asia even before CCP existed. If anything, China has a good reason for hating the West for their Eight-Nation Alliance invasion into China in 1900 during Qing Dynasty. Qing government and the Chinese people were robbed of their wealth and murdered for no reason. Many of the invaders were even of Christian faith, and yet they killed without mercy. So why is China hated when it has never invaded your country?

3) This world has turned into a conflict between political ideals of Capitalism and Communism since WW1 - this conflict is the work of the devil to sow hatred and murder among nations, its glaringly obvious. But just looking at objective history, China has never been a troublemaker on the global scene. China fought in the North-South Korea conflict to defend itself from possible invasion again by Western forces once the entire Korea gets occupied by them (Korea borders northeast of China). China fought India because India was causing trouble on the borders unprovoked. Not once did China start a military conflict for expansion purposes under CCP for the past decades - this is verified history and all you are fed are baseless rumours that China will fight to expand. So what is the reason for hating China as though it has already caused troubles to neighboring nations?

If you are a Christian, why are you letting yourself drawn into political driven hatred and animosity that is not Christlike, at all?
 
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Hi Enxu. I think the root of it is fear. For the past 200 years or so, western countries -- European and American -- have been the most powerful. It's fairly clear that western power is on the decline and the growing power of China leads to anxiety about the future.

There's the biblical saying, 'perfect love drives out fear'. I wonder if the reverse is also true: 'unchecked fear welcomes in hatred'.

Thank you for the reminder that in Christ we are not to harbour racism, hatred or unforgiveness against nations or individuals.
 
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Hi Enxu. I think the root of it is fear. For the past 200 years or so, western countries -- European and American -- have been the most powerful. It's fairly clear that western power is on the decline and the growing power of China leads to anxiety about the future.

There's the biblical saying, 'perfect love drives out fear'. I wonder if the reverse is also true: 'unchecked fear welcomes in hatred'.

Thank you for the reminder that in Christ we are not to harbour racism, hatred or unforgiveness against nations or individuals.
Well, if it is fear, it must be based on past history. Look at the history of China, it never had any territories beyond East Asia, neither did it ever invade the West. On the other hand, the western nations have expanded their territories far into the East, with colonies in many parts of Asia. If anything, China should be fearful yet I don’t recall hearing anything close to propaganda of “The Western Threat” in China. So where is the basis for this fear of China?

The truth is, the West doesn’t want to lose its status and power. So it sparks senseless fear in the laymen to stir up animosity - this is the work of the devil. That said, having caution is fine, but the propaganda of “The China Threat” has gone way beyond caution . Furthermore if the West extended kindness and sought to have peace with China, which is what Jesus told His believers to do with people, wouldn’t that decrease the likelihood of danger?

By issuing this kind of fear mongering propaganda, the West is actually encouraging China to attack by first stirring up animosity against it. China will fight if it feels it needs to defend itself - history shows this. Who is the real troublemaker here hmm?

And what about sympathy and compassion, the virtues of the Christian faith? The west is built on the Christian faith unlike China, but I don’t see a tinge of sympathy for what the ordinary Chinese has suffered in the past century. And they suffered because the West and Japan invaded and because of corrupt governments. if anything the West ought to be praying for peace as representatives of the Christian faith but what is actually being done? Many Chinese don’t even want to hear the Gospel because of how unloving the West is to them.
 
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Hatred only hurts the person who is doing the hating. It eats away at the person. Causes all kinds of problems.

For God So Loved the world that He Gave ....His only begotten Son that who so ever believeth in Him -- will Not perish , but have everlasting life."

We need to look To God -- not use other's as an excuse to turn away From God.

The United States has become the home of people from all over the world. And This country was founded on Christianity. God's Word. Salvation. Our Personal Salvation is the most important decision a person will ever make.

So -- let's look to God for our strength -- peace.
 
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Hatred only hurts the person who is doing the hating. It eats away at the person. Causes all kinds of problems.

For God So Loved the world that He Gave ....His only begotten Son that who so ever believeth in Him -- will Not perish , but have everlasting life."

We need to look To God -- not use other's as an excuse to turn away From God.

The United States has become the home of people from all over the world. And This country was founded on Christianity. God's Word. Salvation. Our Personal Salvation is the most important decision a person will ever make.

So -- let's look to God for our strength -- peace.
Sue, I am not a politician, I cannot tell the politicians what to think or feel. When you say we need to turn to God and not use others as a reason to turn away from Him, be mindful of who your audience is. You aren’t addressing a group of Christians, you are addressing a group of people who never heard of or knew God. Your statement makes no sense to them since they never had personal revelation from God before. All they can see is how the West treats them, and that the West is founded on Christianity.

If you never heard about Christianity but you see a group of countries representing Christianity invading your country, killing your people and looting your wealth, do you want to even hear about Christianity or not? Put yourself in other people’s shoes and see their perspectives.
 
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Enxu -- I'm very aware of the audience I'm talking to. I'm addressing Everyone.

No one knows who has or has not heard of God. The Holy Spirit is the one who speaks to the individual heart no matter where they are or Who they are.

The 'West' or China or any other country are made up of People. Missionaries go to a variety of countries throughout the world. So - really it's up to the individual person as to how they act towards others.
As a born again believer in This country -- it's appalling to see how crazy people are acting. Some out of ignorance -- a group of people who are doing ...just because. They are puppets who Will answer for their actions at some point in the future.
Some out of a misguided sense of 'duty'. Again -- they will answer for their actions. Every one of us will.

Sometimes countries Need to be invaded. They are acting in a hostile way and need to be stopped.

"They have never had a personal revelation from God before" -- we don't know who has or hasn't. Actually You're probably referring to who the Holy Spirit has spoken to.
 
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Besides, this thread isnt about blaming the West or sowing hatred. It is about giving a fuller picture of history and what is going on in China and why they even chose Communism so people can discern the truth and stop feeding into the hatred and animosity that is already generated. What is done is done, I pray God would heal the wounds inflicted and not allow more hatred and revenge to be sowed in the hearts of my people, but if the West continues to stir up animosity for political reasons and motivations, then even God would see the evil and not intervene. Whoever is responsible for sowing discord will have to bear the consequences.
 
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God knows Everything. Omniscient / omnipresent / omnipotent.

He is Sovereign. His Will will prevail. He intervenes or not depending on what He knows is the best in the big picture. There are those who will only come to God through Jesus Christ when faced with a mess. Maybe that's why there are usually wars and/ or rumors Of wars. It shakes up the people who need shaking up.

Even in the Old Testament -- all the kings that reigned -- some were really Godly kings and some were horribly wicked kings. God allowed people to learn or not to learn from the past. Following God is always the best. But it isn't especially Easy.
 
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Sometimes countries Need to be invaded. They are acting in a hostile way and need to be stopped.
Sorry but this is not truth. I can tell you the Malayan Peninsula was colonized by the UK in the early 1900s and Malaya at that time was not even Communist. The UK came not to stop aggression but to make use of the resources and the shipping routes.

I will do some research and tell you why Qing dynasty was invaded , but I can assure you it has nothing to do with stopping aggression.
 
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There are all kinds of reasons For wars -- I'm not going to get into that discussion. Good night. :)
 
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The West didn't have any presence in China until the Opium Wars in 19th century. Two wars were fought in China against the Qing dynasty by nations like Britain and France because of introduction of Opium into China by the West. To stop people from saying I am using biased sources, I use only quotes from western sources.

According to Britannica.com quote, "In each case the foreign powers were victorious and gained commercial privileges and legal and territorial concessions in China." This doesn't sound like stopping aggression at all, but rather an invasion for purely self interests.

As for the Eight Nation Alliance war in early 1900, according to western sources they were for the purpose of protecting the already present western interests in China and protection of Chinese Christians. But that is not true, the Chinese Christians were not in danger. In fact, they lived affluent lives and had better rights due to the backing of their Western allies than Chinese who aren't Christians. The Qing empire feared the West and was corrupt to the point it didn't even stand up for the rights of its own citizens when they were violated by foreigners.

As for protection of western interests in China, what excuse is this for murdering and looting more wealth from ordinary Chinese citizens? They are already in a country that isn't their own, if the locals do not welcome them, as Christians shouldn't the West have left in peace? By overthrowing the Qing government, they indirectly allowed the entire country to fall into civil chaos and struggle of power, causing more suffering to innocent civilians. The same thing is now going on with western interference with Taiwan, Hong Kong and Tibet. It was always about destroying/overthrowing the current government of China - China cannot afford that and get into another civil chaos.

This is the reality of what has been done to the Chinese, and I am referring to Chinese who aren't even politicians involved in political motivations and yet China never even invaded a single western country till today. Judge for yourself what God would say about the actions of the West.
 
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Good morning -- there have been wars being fought Forever. Lots of reasons For those wars. God's Word says "For All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." so no country is without it's problems because all countries are made up of People.

I've never been in a position of leadership -- but 'power' does have a corrupting influence on a person. In the Old Testament there were lots of kings. Some of them were really Godly kings. Others were terrible kings. Having a king as a leader is putting one person as the head / lead decision-maker. Do future generations look back and blame 'them' for what's happening Now? We Are to learn from the past. Are we learning that it's better to follow Godliness ? or do we allow bitterness to get into us stressing out our soul?

I'm -- personally -- half German and half Swedish -- I Could dwell on my German heritage and have the 'ahA' attitude -- but I didn't live back then. No responsibility for whatever took place back then. I'm living in the hear and now.
Or looking at Sweden -- cause that heritage is Also half of whom I am Now. However, I Am an American. And Presently there is a COVID situation taking place. That has been traced back to It's origins. So , yes, this country Does have some right to be concerned about the influence that That country has on This country and the rest of the world's health situation.

So -- whether it's been accidental or on purpose -- COVID-19 has become part of our lives 'Here and Now'. Each person is responsible for their personal 'hatred' and / or 'love' towards others. Christianity Does produce love in and for others. A heart-felt concern For others. "For God so loved the World...... that He gave His one and only Son --to provide salvation for All. God is the Only one who knows who will or will Not accept His gift Of salvation." It is the responsibility for each born again believer to share the Gospel unto salvation with all who will listen. It's up to the individual person to either accept or reject that salvation. And 'we' all have only this lifetime to make that decision.

Whatever has happened in the past centuries or is happening Now or Will happen in the future -- God Is in control. He alone knows the Big picture. He knows what is the Best for each of us. Let's have That be our goal -- to honor and glorify His name Proverbs 3: 5&6 "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understand, in All your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths." Look to God for guidance // His leadership.
 
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Whatever has happened in the past centuries or is happening Now or Will happen in the future -- God Is in control. He alone knows the Big picture. He knows what is the Best for each of us. Let's have That be our goal -- to honor and glorify His name Proverbs 3: 5&6 "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understand, in All your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths." Look to God for guidance // His leadership.
yes, and let us talk about Jesus!


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@Enxu

Greetings,

thank you for posting your concerns about attitude etc. towards China and more particularly, the Chinese people.
No Christian anywhere has the right to take sides against anyone nor support any hatred or bigotry or racism - full stop.

I do have a few problems with what you have stated, though, regarding what comes across as China being an innocent victim of the horrible invading West. I do not negate any of the loss and pain and terror that has passed due to foriegn invasion into China. However, in all fairness i must say likewise in respect to the many who suffered at the hands of fellow Chinese and those who were neighbours of China throughout the Dynasty you appear to be putting forth as being 'blood free' and almost, innocent.

For example, what of the Taiping Rebellion? The Nian Rebellion? The Panthay Rebellion? The Red Turban Rebellion - 1800's? The Dungan Revolt? to name only a few.

Then if we go back further, we find that China has been riddled with its own horrific warring and attacking not in any way different from the rest of the world throughout history.

In more recent times, we have the the Chinese Civil War and the Cultural Revolution. Hardly anything to forget?

Way before all these things was the Black Death, a plague that did not care at all about what nationality anyone was nor if they were politically minded or not , nor male or female, young or old.... and those in China suffered and died as did people all over the world.

We face only One God in judgement. He has sent His Son.
The question is and will be, do we believe and honour God by accepting His Son and living accordingly.

I do not for a minute excuse any hatred or blame against any people but when the time comes there will be history and His Story.

Let us look to Him with Hope and be found faithful at His return


Bless you ....><>
 
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The last two are about Muslims being targeted, with no mention of Christians, but the same is happening to Christians.


Now we could focus only on religion and ethnic persecution here, but there are other "wars" going on with China.
Territorial sea wars for example.

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Then there is the Taiwan conflict.


This is written in a "pro-Chinese" point of view, but I assure, people in Taiwan do not feel the same way.



This could be considered part of a larger "land grab".



If you think China is a peaceful country with only the best interests of their neighbors, they do not have a very good track record.

We could also get into dependency on foreign trade, American jobs being lost, slave labor in China, economic wars, and many other things
I haven't even included here.

Possible Bible prophecies, depending on how you interpret them....

Rev 9:14; saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.”
Rev 9:15; And the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released, so that they would kill a third of mankind.
Rev 9:16; The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them.
Rev 9:17; And this is how I saw in my vision the horses and those who sat on them: the riders had breastplates the color of fire, of hyacinth, and of brimstone; and the heads of the horses are like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths *came fire and smoke and brimstone.
Rev 9:18; A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues, by the fire, the smoke, and the brimstone which came out of their mouths.
Rev 9:19; For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents and have heads, and with them they do harm.

Interpreting Revelation is a bit tricky, people have lot of different opinions, the passage above could be spiritual in nature, or it could metaphorical language for physical events.
The apostle John didn't know what an Army Tank was, so it's possible that these armored horses that shoot fire and smoke out of their mouths, are simply Tanks firing shells. I don't know.
What I do know, is that out of all the countries in the world right now, only China is capable of sustaining an army of two hundred million men.
No army that size has ever existed in the world before.

A possible second prophecy.

Rev 16:12; The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river, the Euphrates; and its water was dried up, so that the way would be prepared for the kings from the east.
Rev 16:14; for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the entire world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.
Rev 16:16; And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon.

Rev 14:19; So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God.
Rev 14:20; And the wine press was trampled outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses’ bridles, for a distance of 1,600 stadia. (approx 200 miles, or 320 Kilometers)

Blood 4 or 5 feet deep for a distance of 200 miles? That would take a lot of people dying. 200 million people could possibly do it. A third of mankind would definitely do it.

Are these about China, I don't know. I have an opinion like everyone else, but there are very few large countries east of the Euphrates, fewer still that could have an army of 200 million.
Another possibility is India, but they currently have a much smaller army than China.

There will be another war after the millennial reign.

Rev 20:7; When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
Rev 20:8; and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
Rev 20:9; And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Gog and Magog are traditionally what we call modern day Russia and China (Mongolia also).

Should we hate or fear the Chinese, no of course not. Should we be cautiously concerned about what they are doing, absolutely.
 
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Besides, this thread isnt about blaming the West or sowing hatred. It is about giving a fuller picture of history and what is going on in China and why they even chose Communism so people can discern the truth and stop feeding into the hatred and animosity that is already generated. What is done is done, I pray God would heal the wounds inflicted and not allow more hatred and revenge to be sowed in the hearts of my people, but if the West continues to stir up animosity for political reasons and motivations, then even God would see the evil and not intervene. Whoever is responsible for sowing discord will have to bear the consequences.
Dear Enxu,
A better method of looking at the political system, might be how they treat Christians, verses attempting to justifying their actions due to historical conditions existing in the world and nation at the time. There is nothing we can do about the past, little even about the present, and the future is not going to be much better for believers in this World, regardless of which country you mention and political system.

Persecution against Christian in China is prevalent, as it is in most regimes that are Communist, Totalitarian Dictatorships etc. in the World. Even in Countries that profess to be Democratic, you'll find an increase in this area as well. Why?

"These things I command you, that you love one another. "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before [it hated] you. "If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. "Remember the word that I said to you, 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. "But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me. John 15:17-21 NKJV

"But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. "They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. "And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth. "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; "that they all may be one, as You, Father, [are] in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. John 17:13-21 NKJV

So, if professing Christians reflect hate you because you are Chinese, whether you are from China or not. They just might be Christians by self-anointing title alone, and not by according to the Word or deed! Too many of these running around these days. Our Lord loved and died for even those who where nailing him to the Cross. Keep in mind that there are political systems that are more likely to persecute Christians than others, but eventually all worldly systems can't help but turn that way as well, unless they turn to God and seek His Face.

Please, don't focus on trying to justify China, or any other country for that matter. Until our Lord returns, they will all fall short. Let us be about our Father's business instead!
Thank-you for sharing your thoughts on this thread. You're not the only one who has the feelings of being put upon because of this or that.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Every nation I can think of that has risen to great power has done so by conquest and domination. Egypt, Bablylon, Assyria, Rome in Biblical times; European empires and USA in modern times.

We belong to an unshakeable kingdom that offers life to all. Let's celebrate that together rather than fret over our national differences and disputes.
 
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Please, don't focus on trying to justify China, or any other country for that matter.
I never justified anything. I said China never invaded the West so they had no reason to hate it over political differences - what has this got to do with justification? On the other hand, when the internal problems of China are raised, it looks to me that the West is justifying their own past invasion of China with these problems - even if that involved looting and murdering innocent Chinese civilians. How that can be godly is beyond me. And when I say innocent Chinese civilians are murdered I am told China is not innocent - wow. So somehow Chinese who aren’t even politicians deserve to be drawn into a war over political reasons - hmm this is how loving the West is?

This thread is to wake up sensible people so they stop feeding into the fear mongering propaganda of the West which has done nothing other than stirring up animosity against China. If the West sows enough discord and war does break out the ultimate losers are the civilians from both sides drawn into the war. I had those civilians in mind starting this thread - I don’t want to see an all out war happen and billions of people on both sides killed over political conflict. Clearly the West have no such concerns for civilians, not even civilians in their own countries so they continue to sow discord with the “China threat” propaganda and provoke China on all levels on the political scene. But God is watching.

And all that talk about Christian persecution is all based on western media. You have a Chinese Christian right in front of you living in China who is freely posting on a Christian forum but that is ignored in favor of what the western media concocts. I have not personally witnessed any crackdown on Christian gatherings so I don’t believe what the western media says - AT ALL . On the other hand, I have actually seen westerners who actually lived in China and saw for themselves what is really going on expose the lies of the western media.

As for the accused persecution and genocides done much of the times there were actually civil unrest and those portrayed as the victims by the western media were actually causing trouble. I have a cousin who lived in Xinjiang province during the time when the Chinese government was accused of persecuting people. My cousin told me those people were actually rioting on the streets and damaging property and he had to stay in-house because it wasn’t safe - that was why they were captured - but the western media chose to portray those troublemakers as victims.

I believed I was talking to sensible people but clearly some are prone to listening to lies. You know what this all looks like when the West justifies invading/interfering with China because of how corrupt they perceive China to be? It reminds me of how a group of Pharisees tried to stone the prostitute to death and Jesus had to remind them that they aren’t innocent themselves.

Nobody can help those who choose to believe in lies.
 
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I never justified anything. I said China never invaded the West so they had no reason to hate it over political differences - what has this got to do with justification? On the other hand, when the internal problems of China are raised, it looks to me that the West is justifying their own past invasion of China with these problems - even if that involved looting and murdering innocent Chinese civilians. How that can be godly is beyond me. And when I say innocent Chinese civilians are murdered I am told China is not innocent - wow. So somehow Chinese who aren’t even politicians deserve to be drawn into a war over political reasons - hmm this is how loving the West is?

This thread is to wake up sensible people so they stop feeding into the fear mongering propaganda of the West which has done nothing other than stirring up animosity against China. If the West sows enough discord and war does break out the ultimate losers are the civilians from both sides drawn into the war. I had those civilians in mind starting this thread - I don’t want to see an all out war happen and billions of people on both sides killed over political conflict. Clearly the West have no such concerns for civilians, not even civilians in their own countries so they continue to sow discord with the “China threat” propaganda and provoke China on all levels on the political scene. But God is watching.

And all that talk about Christian persecution is all based on western media. You have a Chinese Christian right in front of you living in China who is freely posting on a Christian forum but that is ignored in favor of what the western media concocts. I have not personally witnessed any crackdown on Christian gatherings so I don’t believe what the western media says - AT ALL . On the other hand, I have actually seen westerners who actually lived in China and saw for themselves what is really going on expose the lies of the western media.

As for the accused persecution and genocides done much of the times there were actually civil unrest and those portrayed as the victims by the western media were actually causing trouble. I have a cousin who lived in Xinjiang province during the time when the Chinese government was accused of persecuting people. My cousin told me those people were actually rioting on the streets and damaging property and he had to stay in-house because it wasn’t safe - that was why they were captured - but the western media chose to portray those troublemakers as victims.

I believed I was talking to sensible people but clearly some are prone to listening to lies. You know what this all looks like when the West justifies invading/interfering with China because of how corrupt they perceive China to be? It reminds me of how a group of Pharisees tried to stone the prostitute to death and Jesus had to remind them that they aren’t innocent themselves.

Nobody can help those who choose to believe in lies.
Dear Sister Enxu,
There is something I should have brought up the first post I did, and that has to do with the title itself, coupled with your ensuing posting. We as Christians are not called to Love political systems. We are called to love people. Just because people run these systems doesn't mean that we are supposed to love the systems they work in. The system we belong to as Christians, and who we owe allegiance to is Heavenly! Though one day Christ will establish His reign here as well, but until that day we are but Ambassadors/Representatives, and should never put any one Nation above the Kingdom of God that we belong to Sister.

Every Country will sing its own praises, but none count if they don't bend knee to our Lord and Savior, who is King of kings, Jesus. If you can't agree with this, then you need to check again what it means to be a Child of the Most High, and to whom you belong to and what takes precedence in your life. The systems all around the World, including China, will not like that your choice is God, and Jesus Christ in particular. They all believe that they are right and everyone else is wrong, and should come first in your life as a Citizen. Not realizing that we all fall short of the Glory of God, and that one day they too, will give obedience to Jesus Christ.

So, don't get so caught up in the nuances/propaganda that each country puts out there about another. That is not what you should be about as a Christian. You go to the street corner and start Evangelizing whether in China, or just about any other country and you will find persecution. Don 't believe it. Try it. The governments will tell you one thing or another, but regardless what it comes down to is that you either do it their way, say it their way, or you'll pay the price for doing it otherwise. They won't care if you're being faithful to God at what He has called you to do. Even after our Lord Ascended, and the Apostles preached in the Temple and healed many. They were persecuted. Do you think that China, or any other country would be an exception to this???

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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