Dave M
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Seems on today's social media I see all over the place the "grace card" being played in a WAY I do not agree with. Some very slick folks with fancy words and descriptions and great rebuttal that will make you believe what they are saying, when I first started studding and trying to learn the word of God I was very confused when reading what a lot of people taught what grace was.
So what do I here on social media about grace I here it is basically a free pass to sin. I here you can not do anything to earn salvation so dont worry if you do not produce fruit, it is grace that saves you not fruit. I here no you wont see any change in your life when you are saved. I here we are all sinners and and can not stop sinning and all sin is alike. thats why we need grace. I here the rich young ruler that Jesus told to sell all his possessions was a example of someone being saved by grace.
Ok so what I understand is Grace is needed because we are not good enough to be saved and never will be while in the flesh. So I get that.
so are there conditions for Grace?? because some will receive it and other will not. now the second a person ask such a question he will usually get shot down with a reply like "well if there is conditions for grace then it is not grace" or "that makes it a works salvation"
Understanding we are never going to be good enough to earn our way to heaven is easy part, understanding why we need grace because we can not earn our way to heaven is easy part.
Hard part why do some get grace but other dont??
Seems to me it boils down to obedience which has a direct relationship with faith which is how we get grace ?? maybe I know some will say I just described a works salvation, but how else do you explain our responsibility while in the flesh to seek God and obtain Grace??
IF my child was not good enough to earn a living on his own but tried and tried but simply could not afford to live the most basic life I would help him grace ?? but if a child who was lazy and wicked and did not try at all would he receive help grace??
I can really only tell you from my life experience that my life did not change while I was a believer. It changed when I seeked God with all my heart and repented and became obedient.. Growing up I always believed in Christ and went to church, but I am almost certain I was not saved I lived in sin so I was not getting grace at that time I think. Fast forward to about 5 years ago I started searching hard to understand, reading the bible changing from a catholic church to bible only church, and wow I know for a fact I have changed that has to be grace. I know I am still not good enough to earn salvation but I know I have received grace because I am a totally different person, just ask any of my friends they wiill tell you. So I can say looking at my experience I did not change until I was obedient and seek God with all my heart and soul.
So does Grace and change go hand in hand? can you have grace with no change?? I hope you can for the sake of many who I see that say the believe but have not change, I really dont know.
Can A person stay a infant in Christ your whole adult life and be saved?? I hope so for the sake of many, but I dont know
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So what do I here on social media about grace I here it is basically a free pass to sin. I here you can not do anything to earn salvation so dont worry if you do not produce fruit, it is grace that saves you not fruit. I here no you wont see any change in your life when you are saved. I here we are all sinners and and can not stop sinning and all sin is alike. thats why we need grace. I here the rich young ruler that Jesus told to sell all his possessions was a example of someone being saved by grace.
Ok so what I understand is Grace is needed because we are not good enough to be saved and never will be while in the flesh. So I get that.
so are there conditions for Grace?? because some will receive it and other will not. now the second a person ask such a question he will usually get shot down with a reply like "well if there is conditions for grace then it is not grace" or "that makes it a works salvation"
Understanding we are never going to be good enough to earn our way to heaven is easy part, understanding why we need grace because we can not earn our way to heaven is easy part.
Hard part why do some get grace but other dont??
Seems to me it boils down to obedience which has a direct relationship with faith which is how we get grace ?? maybe I know some will say I just described a works salvation, but how else do you explain our responsibility while in the flesh to seek God and obtain Grace??
IF my child was not good enough to earn a living on his own but tried and tried but simply could not afford to live the most basic life I would help him grace ?? but if a child who was lazy and wicked and did not try at all would he receive help grace??
I can really only tell you from my life experience that my life did not change while I was a believer. It changed when I seeked God with all my heart and repented and became obedient.. Growing up I always believed in Christ and went to church, but I am almost certain I was not saved I lived in sin so I was not getting grace at that time I think. Fast forward to about 5 years ago I started searching hard to understand, reading the bible changing from a catholic church to bible only church, and wow I know for a fact I have changed that has to be grace. I know I am still not good enough to earn salvation but I know I have received grace because I am a totally different person, just ask any of my friends they wiill tell you. So I can say looking at my experience I did not change until I was obedient and seek God with all my heart and soul.
So does Grace and change go hand in hand? can you have grace with no change?? I hope you can for the sake of many who I see that say the believe but have not change, I really dont know.
Can A person stay a infant in Christ your whole adult life and be saved?? I hope so for the sake of many, but I dont know
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