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God's Biggest Problem

Chad

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God's Biggest Problem

Ask most atheists why they don’t believe in the God of the Bible, and their answer will ultimately come back to the character of God. Sure, they might mention the lack of “evidence,” hypocrisy in the church, etc.—but when it comes right down to it, they have a problem with God.

The world is a mess. AIDS, genocide, child slavery, starvation, earthquakes, and tsunamis—where did these evils come from, and how could a loving God allow people to endure so many horrible tragedies? Even many Christians find themselves asking the same piercing question:

If God is so good and loving, how can He allow suffering and death?

The answer is found in the first three chapters of Genesis. In the beginning, God created a perfect world with no death or pain (Genesis 1:31). He entrusted the care of the entire earth to Adam and Eve, the first humans (Genesis 1:28), and gave them only one restriction: “of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat of it you will surely die” (Genesis 2:17).

Although they were warned of the consequences, Adam and Eve chose to rebel against God (Genesis 3:6), which brought the Curse on the earth and introduced pain and death into God’s originally perfect creation (Genesis 3:16–19). Scripture tells us that “just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, so death spread to all men because all sinned” (Romans 5:12), and now the whole creation groans under the Curse (Romans 8:22).

The problem of evil is very real, but it’s not God’s problem. To understand this, consider another common question:

How could God send people to hell?

So many people struggle with this question because they don’t correctly understand the fallen nature of humanity and the perfect character of God. Many have a false idea that man is basically good, so the question in their mind is actually, “How could God send good people to hell?” Others have the false idea that God shouldn’t send anyone to hell because of His love for everyone—no matter how sinful—so their question is actually, “How could a loving God send people to hell?”

We have already seen the answer from Genesis: man is not good. As the Scripture states, “God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes” (Ecclesiastes 7:29). When we correctly understand the nature of humanity, we can see the problem with saying, “goodpeople.” In regard to both questions, the problem is that these people don’t understand the perfect character of God, which brings about another question:

God is good—what does that mean?

God is not simply “good” in the common understanding of the word. God is perfection—the ultimate definition of good. There is nothing else that can even come close to God’s absolute goodness, and nothing to which we can compare Him. God is holy, which means He is set apart from all unrighteousness (Isaiah 6:3).

Also, God is not pleased with the effects of sin, pain, and death in the world. Scripture states, “He does not afflict willingly, nor grieve the children of men” (Lamentations 3:33), and that He even has “no pleasure in the death of the wicked” (Ezekiel 33:11). These evils were brought into the world as a result of human sin. Ultimately, God plans to “make all things new” (Revelation 21:5), which will remove the effects of the Curse and even destroy death itself (1 Corinthians 15:26).

Even though God loves us, it is because He is completely good and just that He cannot simply overlook or tolerate evil—He hates it!

Where does that leave us?


A look at Psalm 5 will help us to better understand the goodness of God. Look at what God calls evil, and His response to it:

For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, nor shall evil dwell with You. The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; you hate all workers of iniquity. You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; the Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man. . . . For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is destruction; their throat is an open tomb; they flatter with their tongue. (Psalm 5:4–6,9)

Now think about how many times you have boasted, lied, or been unfaithful. These are things God hates, because He is perfectly good and cannot ignore sin. Sin means to “miss the mark,” and Scripture tells us that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). None of us can attain to God’s standard, because He measures us against Himself—the ultimate standard of good (1 Peter 1:16).

Every person is a sinner by nature and by choice (Romans 5:12-21; Isaiah 53:6), and we cannot do anything to purify ourselves; no amount of “good” works can cover what we have done wrong. In fact, the Bible says that all of our righteousness is like a pile of “filthy rags” before the holy Creator God (Isaiah 64:6).

God is the supreme Judge of all the earth (Psalm 96:13; Genesis 18:25), and a good judge cannot let a guilty criminal go unpunished. God does not compromise justice, so He must punish those who do evil, as we see in the next verse of Psalm 5:

Pronounce them guilty, O God! Let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions, for they have rebelled against You. (Psalm 5:10)

This is justice. Everyone stands guilty before God, and if He were to condemn all of humanity, that would be just—because we all deserve punishment of eternal death in hell.

God’s biggest “problem” solved—by His love!

So rather than asking how a good and loving God could send people to hell, we need to modify the question: “How can a good and loving God not send sinful people to hell?” With this in mind, consider the next verse of Psalm 5:

But let all those rejoice who put their trust in You; Let them ever shout for joy, because You defend them; Let those also who love Your name be joyful in You. (Psalm 5:11)

Wait—that’s not justice, is it? How can God, the righteous Judge, defend sinners who have violated His law? This question is arguably the greatest in all of Scripture, and may well be called “God’s biggest problem.”

But because God is loving and mighty to save (Isaiah 63:1), He implemented the perfect solution to the problem of justice. Along with the Curse, God promised in Genesis 3:15 to send a Deliverer, the “Seed of the woman,” who would crush the head of the serpent (i.e., Satan). In the New Testament, we find out the identity of this Deliverer—He is God’s own Son, who gave His life to redeem us!

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Jesus Christ, God incarnate, lived on this earth as a man—but without sin—and died a terrible death under the wrath of God, so that He could take the punishment for our sins (Isaiah 53:5,8). As the perfect man, Jesus could die for mankind. As God, Jesus could bear the infinite punishment required for man’s sin against an infinitely holy God. Only by coming in the flesh (John 1:14) could God provide a sufficient sacrifice to take away mankind’s sins.

But Jesus is not dead (Matthew 28:5–6). He rose from the grave three days later, triumphing over death and breaking the effect of the Curse (Revelation 1:18)—so that anyone who believes in Him and repents of their sin can be set free and live for eternity with their Creator (Acts 3:19;Romans 10:9, 6:23). Truly, God is both loving and good!

source: AIG
 
thankyou chad for your full post on some tricky questions. I am not a christian yet I do have a firm belief in a loving God and thanks to you i think i am getting a better idea of the christian message.
yet there are many questions left unanswered. eg why did God make the tree of knowledge available? and why having created man with a curious nature was God suprised (or even angry) that this temptation was taken? And what is t he purpose of this tree of knowledge anyway? I am sure you must battle with these questions in childrens classes!

As i grapple with these quesitons myself i can only come to the conclusion that God made us somehow faulty. ie disobedient and i can not reconcile this with the idea of Gods perfect creation.

So having made us somehow faulty then we can not support the idea of a loving God sending us to hell. For after all are we not Gods creation?

You say that God is angry every time we sin! i can only conclude fromt this that God is spending a lot of time being angry and probably regretting having created us in the first place!

Im afraid it gets worse! You have this notion of a punishing God and somehow equate this with justice!
Justice is surely the putting right of past wrongs. it is the restoring of balance, it is the healing of past hurts. What has this got to do with punishemnt? punishment is all about vengeance and about getting back at someone who hurt you! this is not love and certainly it can not be God!
the only way this can be sustained is if we believe in a god that is not love, yet so many christians say that a loving God is central to christianity.
There is much to be said for the christian message. Christians talk of love and all that love is. I read about this being the central message of christ and it warms my heart.
Then i read about much which is not love and i ask isnt it time for a new understanding of God? Isnt it time to get back to the God that we all love? Isnt it time to see the perfection of Gods creation for what it really is? In short isnt it time that we like God become love.
 
The answer is found in the first three chapters of Genesis. In the beginning, God created a perfect world with no death or pain (Genesis 1:31). He entrusted the care of the entire earth to Adam and Eve, the first humans (Genesis 1:28), and gave them only one restriction: “of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat of it you will surely die” (Genesis 2:17).

Although they were warned of the consequences, Adam and Eve chose to rebel against God (Genesis 3:6), which brought the Curse on the earth and introduced pain and death into God’s originally perfect creation (Genesis 3:16–19). Scripture tells us that “just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, so death spread to all men because all sinned” (Romans 5:12), and now the whole creation groans under the Curse (Romans 8:22).

The problem of evil is very real, but it’s not God’s problem. To understand this, consider another common question:
Well said!
Brother, It is so easy to explain the problem when you begin with unadulterated Word of God. No mental gymnastic needed, no blind faith.
I have noted however, many Christians, especially in Europe, have made question complex with so called "theistic evolution". With the idea of Millions of years of bloodshed, death and suffering, how are you going to explain it?

The best of the Bible is its simplicity.
You can read that to a kid and he will understand
 
Wow that was close..........

When I saw the title of this thread, I had to check to see if Chad mentioned me somewhere........Thank goodness, I was concerned.

Jesus Is Lord
 
yet there are many questions left unanswered. eg why did God make the tree of knowledge available? and why having created man with a curious nature was God suprised (or even angry) that this temptation was taken? And what is t he purpose of this tree of knowledge anyway? I am sure you must battle with these questions in childrens classes!

As i grapple with these quesitons myself i can only come to the conclusion that God made us somehow faulty. ie disobedient and i can not reconcile this with the idea of Gods perfect creation.

So having made us somehow faulty then we can not support the idea of a loving God sending us to hell. For after all are we not Gods creation?

You say that God is angry every time we sin! i can only conclude fromt this that God is spending a lot of time being angry and probably regretting having created us in the first place!

Im afraid it gets worse! You have this notion of a punishing God and somehow equate this with justice!
Justice is surely the putting right of past wrongs. it is the restoring of balance, it is the healing of past hurts. What has this got to do with punishemnt? punishment is all about vengeance and about getting back at someone who hurt you! this is not love and certainly it can not be God!
the only way this can be sustained is if we believe in a god that is not love, yet so many christians say that a loving God is central to christianity.
There is much to be said for the christian message. Christians talk of love and all that love is. I read about this being the central message of christ and it warms my heart.
Then i read about much which is not love and i ask isnt it time for a new understanding of God? Isnt it time to get back to the God that we all love? Isnt it time to see the perfection of Gods creation for what it really is? In short isnt it time that we like God become love.

When I explain the tree of knowledge to children I often explain it like this. The tree was there to give us a choice. If I was a scientist and created all these little robots myself how could I make these robots love me? The only way would be to give the robots the choice to love me. If I programmed them to love me then it isn't love. God gives us the choice otherwise our love to Him would mean nothing.

I believe that God is a loving God! I believe he gets angry but I also believe that we can please God.

Psalm 103:8-10
The Lord is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love, He will not always accuse, nor will he harbor his anger forever; he does not treat us according to our iniquities.

Psalm25- It sounds like you are on the right track. God doesn't expect you to be perfect before you surrender your life to Him. It pleases him when we humble ourselves, surrender to Him and then let him change us one step at a time. All of us have so far to go but God is compassionate and loving and helps us through every step we take!
 
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Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
 
When I explain the tree of knowledge to children I often explain it like this. The tree was there to give us a choice. If I was a scientist and created all these little robots myself how could I make these robots love me? The only way would be to give the robots the choice to love me. If I programmed them to love me then it isn't love. God gives us the choice otherwise our love to Him would mean nothing.

I believe that God is a loving God! I believe he gets angry but I also believe that we can please God.


Chad you ask the question "how can I make these robots love me?" Would a man ask "how can i make my wife love me?" You cant make anyone love you. To love is a free expression of somoenes will and never be coerced from anyone. May i suggest a better question "how can these robots express their free will?"
Now if it really is free will then their should be no punishments for choosing the "wrong" one. So we are free not to love God.
GOd will love us anyway. This is the whole point of unconditional love and unconditional love is the only true love. Unconditional love is the love of God indeed unconditional love is God.
This does away the notion of an angry judgemental God. This is our old understanding of God. dare i say yesterdays God. Tomorrows God is not needing of our love. Tommorrows God is needless.
This is a far simpler message for children to understand.
 
I just have a question out of curosity. In another thread I read that Judas was predestined to betray Jesus to fulfill the prophecy of the scriptures. That before the Earth was created, Jesus' death on the cross was already forthcoming. I don't know if the majority of the members here believe in this or not, but if so, wouldn't humanity's failure to be obedient have been predestined as well? Afterall, why would Jesus' place in human history have already been in the plans before the world was even created? If Adam and Eve didn't botch it up for the rest of us then there would've been no need for God's offer of salvation.

I'm just asking this because I want other people's opinions so I can learn from them. Thanks.
 
I found the answer I was looking for.

Before the creation of the world, God knew that man would sin and bring physical death into the world, Rom. 5:12
 
In order to truly realize The Eternal Truth
about The Truly True Eternal Goodness of God,
we all MUST agree with Our Truly Good God, alone forever,
and God's Truly Divine Eternal Facts,
against ourselves, no matter how unpleasant, or how much pain that they may be to our evil self-love, that is upset at seeing itself imperfect.

Some of God's Facts are these:

1 - God is truly and Infinitely Good.

2 - It is truly NOT God's fault, that any perish,

because at the very moment that Adam and Eve fell from Paradise,
(without permission from God btw) by allowing the devil to infect them with the devil's seed of sin, Our Truly Good Father God, gave us all Jesus, God's Seed of Everlasting Life, in our hearts,
God's ONLY True Path of Inner Peace back to God.

So when God, in His Truly Perfect Mercy planted THE SEED OF Jesus IN OUR HEART, he gave us all a choice, between choosing the devil's seed of deceit, or God's Seed of Truth, Jesus,
God's Only Truly True Trustworthy, Unchanging, Merciful, Conquering, Redeeming SEED of The Woman in Adam, thus giving Adam and Eve, JESUS, THE ONLY TRUE PATH BACK TO OUR TRULY GOOD FATHER.

So...God forbid...if any perish...they will have no one to blame but themselves.

For God truly says to all, in Truly Perfect Love, in Proverbs 9:12,
"If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself:
but if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it."

3 - The reason that Heaven is good, is because God's Will is truly and WHOLEHEARTEDLY and instantly and forever done in Heaven.

4 - GOD IS NOT ANGRY AT THE SINNER, but God is justly angry at the sin in the sinner, and God is justly angry with the devil's infection of self in man, that is causing man to sin. You see, God has ALREADY paid for every one's sins, when Jesus died on The Cross for all. It is like, God has this Eternal Credit in His Spiritual Bank Account, but like we have been lazy and stayed spiritually poor and spiritually broke, due to our ignorance, negligence, and love of sin.

But God wants to be Truly Merciful to all (Romans 11:32), and The Only Way God can be Merciful to all, is by (Ephesians 2:8,9)
God's Grace alone forever, through simply trust in Jesus and Jesus alone forever to save us.

But unless, ONLY by The Grace of God, we simply trust in JESUS, AND JESUS ALONE FOREVER. God's Only True Vaccine against sin, to save us, then our sin nature gets worse and worse, until it finally gets the best of us.

But if, by ONLY by The Grace of God, we simply trust Jesus, alone forever, God's ONLY True Saving Vaccine against sin, then little by little we get spiritually better, and we don't perish (John 3:16,17,18)

5 - At the end of the world, the evil tares, evil figs, who did not choose to believe and recieve in Jesus,
God's Only True Eternal Vaccine against sin,
and the wheat, who ONLY by The Grace of God, believed in Jesus unto The End for Eternal Salvation,
shall be gathered by the angels.

6 - The wheat will enter into Heaven with God because God was faithful to purify the wheat little by little from their infection of sin and self.

7 - The evil tares, God Forbid, by refusing God's Vaccine against self and sin, little by little, became worse and worse until they destroyed themselves through love of sin, more than love of God.

8 - Even though God loves the evil tares, God can't let them into Heaven or sin would infect and ruin Heaven.

God knows that all have sinned and fallen short of The Glory of God.
Bottom line, the ONLY prayer that God truly wants to hear from any of us is...a sincere God be merciful to me a sinner, in The Truly Merciful Name of Jesus Christ, I Truly and forever beg. Amen.

OUR ONLY HOPE IS

Acts 16:29,30,31

1 - WHOLEHEARTED TRUST IN GOD AND JESUS ALONE FOREVER
(Proverbs 3:5,6,7,8)
2 - CASTING ALL OUR CARE INTO THE TRULY MERCIFUL ARMS OF JESUS, FOR JESUS TRULY CARES FOR US. (1 Peter 5:7)

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All men and women are of themselves liars. (Romans 3:4)
Concerning athiests, all athiests are liars, as well, but athiests are worse than normal liars, because they are in open denial, of many clear manifest Truth Of God.

And athiests are witnesses against themselves, by their open hostility against God, which PROVES that they KNOW that God exists.
Because if they followed their lie to its logical conclusion, then why would you be angry at God, if (not in Truth, but according to the athiest's lie) you know that God does not exist?
 
God's Eternal Grace.

Pretty Good stuff Coach for Christ... A little different and straight forward view of God's Awesome Love and Grace Enduring forever....

I thank God That He is so good and merciful.



HappySoul
I found the answer I was looking for.

Before the creation of the world, God knew that man would sin and bring physical death into the world, Rom. 5:12

Rom 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

It does not say God knew man would blow it....... It said when that one man sinned (Adam) THEN death entered in, and the law of Sin and death took hold of this earth..

Now if God knew ahead of time that Man would sin, and death would Reign, yet created man anyway so that would happen. Then I can only wonder if we are lacking common sense, or we think God really likes sin and death, and is contrary to all the other things God said about sin.

That type of thinking goes against all moral and logical thinking.

I am against getting burned, but yet I continue to grab hot things that burn me so I can reinforce how much I don't like getting burned.

The sane do not think this way.

Jesus is Lord.
 
Yes God is perfect, there is no imperfectness in Him. And, this is a very interesting thing!

The well used words that " It is sin that separates us from God" is true but, what is exactly sin?

A better way to define this separation, is to look at what sin is. Sin is any imperfection that is opposed to God's perfect nature. There is no imperfection that can coexist with perfection, God.

Something as insignificant as a negative feeling or thought can not coexist with God; doubt is another, these are as much a sin as any other!

Paul says that when our imperfection leaves and perfection comes, we only know in part now but then, we will look God "Face to Face" and we will know fully as well as God knows us. Now that's Heaven!!

Until then we will continue to be in a sinful nature but, thanks be to God for Jesus Christ, that we are covered by his perfection in us and God is at peace with us!
Hallelujah!
 
I have a hard time believing that there's anything that God has never known or ever will know. Afterall, this is God we are talking about. Being blindsided by man's sin doesn't speak much about his power. He knew the devil would betray him, right? Just as he knew the human nature and ignorance and allowed us to be tempted. And let's face it, a newly human was no match for a deceitful angel. It was a mismatch from the beginning.
 
I'm not saying God wanted us to sin, but that he knew it would happen. Either God knows all or he doesn't. It can't be both ways. I'm leaning more towards God knows all.

I know there's a verse in the bible where God asked Cain where Abel was after Cain murdered him. God asked as though he didn't know, but let's be real here...he knew. How could he not?
 
Sinful Nature

Until then we will continue to be in a sinful nature but, thanks be to God for Jesus Christ, that we are covered by his perfection in us and God is at peace with us!
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Hmmm I had a sinful nature once...Then I died and God raised me up a new creature in Christ

Now I am the righteousness of God in Christ
 
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I'm not saying God wanted us to sin, but that he knew it would happen. Either God knows all or he doesn't. It can't be both ways. I'm leaning more towards God knows all.

I know there's a verse in the bible where God asked Cain where Abel was after Cain murdered him. God asked as though he didn't know, but let's be real here...he knew. How could he not?

He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. He didn't say that he is the beginning and will be the end. In his realm there is no time and space as we know it; he is the Alpha and the Omega at the same exact time! He is all knowing and all powerful.
 
He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. He didn't say that he is the beginning and will be the end. In his realm there is no time and space as we know it; he is the Alpha and the Omega at the same exact time! He is all knowing and all powerful.
That's what I'm saying. It's impossible for him not to know all. God is existence and all we experience. No knowledge could ever escape God. Some people believe God doesn't know if certain people will be saved or not. That's hogwash (in my opinion). God knows the decisions I'm going to make before they are made. Just like with everyone else. If God didn't know, he would be limited...which God is not. Some will say that God chooses not to know the future of man, but that would conflict with him knowing the end results of time on Earth. I fully believe God knew man was going to sin just as he knew the devil would betray him. God may be all good, but he allows evil to be present. We are all allowed to be tempted. God may hate sin and evilness and can destroy it at anytime, but he doesn't. There's a reason for sin and evil. Afterall, his ways are not ours. We are meant to be tested in this life.
 
That's what I'm saying. It's impossible for him not to know all. God is existence and all we experience. No knowledge could ever escape God. Some people believe God doesn't know if certain people will be saved or not. That's hogwash (in my opinion). God knows the decisions I'm going to make before they are made. Just like with everyone else. If God didn't know, he would be limited...which God is not. Some will say that God chooses not to know the future of man, but that would conflict with him knowing the end results of time on Earth. I fully believe God knew man was going to sin just as he knew the devil would betray him. God may be all good, but he allows evil to be present. We are all allowed to be tempted. God may hate sin and evilness and can destroy it at anytime, but he doesn't. There's a reason for sin and evil. Afterall, his ways are not ours. We are meant to be tested in this life.

We just can fully grasp this kind of perfection, nothing in our world is truly perfect. Oh we use the term quite often but, we just can't stack up to absolute perfection but, our day is coming!

1 COR 13: 6-12
As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. <sup id="en-ESV-28658" class="versenum">9</sup>For we know in part and we prophesy in part, <sup id="en-ESV-28659" class="versenum">10</sup>but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away. <sup id="en-ESV-28660" class="versenum">11</sup>When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. <sup id="en-ESV-28661" class="versenum">12</sup>For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

Now this is Heaven!
 
Can God be "Blindsided"

I have a hard time believing that there's anything that God has never known or ever will know. Afterall, this is God we are talking about. Being blindsided by man's sin doesn't speak much about his power. He knew the devil would betray him, right? Just as he knew the human nature and ignorance and allowed us to be tempted. And let's face it, a newly human was no match for a deceitful angel. It was a mismatch from the beginning.


Did he know the Devil would betray him???

It says Iniquity was FOUND in him........................
How would God even know what Iniquity was??? What would he have to compare???

How does being "Blindsided" about sin Speak anything of his power?
You think he might not have a pretty good idea How man might respond in any situation? Of course he would.

We are not talking about being blindsided by sin........ We are talking about his knowing from start to finish who will mess it all up.

Would not a faith God, full of love, put his faith on your failing??

Jer 29:11 I know what I'm doing. I have it all planned out--plans to take care of you, not abandon you, plans to give you the future you hope for. MSG

Jer 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. KJV

Now if God did not expect Adam to make it...... then somewhere he messed up here in Jer 29:11 or it could be he changed some.... That could be the ticket.... He changed.

Could God be blindsided by Good or bad???


Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.


The problem here is that we want to make God out into what We would be if we were God....... No faith in anyone........ and all controlling.

That is Satan!!!!!

I will stick with what the Word does say.

Jesus Is Lord.
 
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