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Giants - Did God create them?

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Actually my friend, I was not teasing.
Oh, OK. Mini identity crisis over and done with then!

Message boards are wonderful in many ways, but it's not always easy to know how you come across to others. And you can never properly pick up on tone and all the rest. Bless you
 
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After the death of Alexander the Great in 323 B.C., his four generals divided up his empire, one towards the Roman Empire to rise internationally later, and one Ptolemy Philadelphus, king of Egypt (reigned 285-246 B.C.). Ptolemy liberated thousands of Jewish slaves whose youth settled in as citizens of Egypt, still Jews but no longer speaking or writing Hebrew, adopting Greek, having no access to their ancient heritage. They represented a significant segment of Egypt after the Exodus of other Jews before his reign. The king established the wonder Alexandria Library with the intent of housing books of the world, buying original or securing a copy of every book ever written, all this according to the story believed in historian Josephus' time. His curator learned of the Hebrew texts, so Ptolemy called for 72 translators from Israel, which nation was under his control. Six men of each tribe who could translate into Greek, to meet the demand of the Jews in Egypt. Eleazar, the Jewish high priest, son of Aaron, sent a copy of the Law, the source of the Septuagint, only the five books of the Torah. By 150 B.C. the entire Hebrew Bible was available in Greek throughout the Greek-speaking world. The Roman Empire can be credited with the spread of it, which was adopted by the early Church, used by Paul, confirmed by quotations and comments of Church Fathers. The Septuagint preserved the Law. The Textus Receptus collection of writings is the main source of true scriptures we use today.

There could not be any original manuscripts written by Moses, but there is a world of copies of copies, some among the Dead Sea Scrolls, some still turning up in archeological finds. All along the copying has been subject to verification by experts of the times, enabling destruction of copies bearing any error. Oldest known parchments agreeing with latest discovered pieces should settle what the original manuscripts declared, primarily respected of the oldest Alexandrian manuscripts. Errors began to be added later before there was a Roman Catholic Church made the state religion of Rome. However, it was by then a much easier task to identify errors. Keep in mind the Church at Jerusalem, at Antioch, etc. had no Pope or structure like the RCC in Rome, which added books to the 27 canon collection. There were no self-admitting world rulers of Christianity, including Peter, and there is no scriptural basis for a man to be honored above the least Christian. There is no man who has been or is a God-respected intercessor between God and men. That honor is for Jesus the Christ of God. The Holy Spirit within us leaves no room or necessity for a papal ruler. YOU, believer, are a son of God, a royal priesthood, of which Jesus is the head. Each of us is a priest directly under that Head.
 
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The fact is - Egypt and - Egyptian government religion and society had become property and domaining dominion of “ Rome “ after the death of Cleopatra VII in 30 BCE, which completely ended the reign of the Ptolemaic dynasty that had ruled Egypt since the death of Alexander the Great in 323 BCE.

After Alexander, the Great died 323 BC and The Ptolemaic Egyptian dynasty had begun already to reign since 305 B.C. But Rome began to gradually dominate the area and even by the later preceding Ptolemaic dynasty and kingdoms under Cleopatra VII in 69-30 BCE - it did not continue remaining after the death of Alexander the Great to bring about Cleopatra VII ascending and proceeding to the Egyptian throne, without the aid and consent of Rome and being militarily reinforced by Roman military forces in Alexandria Egypt, as the Roman and Italian mercenaries were as independent soldiers or so-called " soldiers of fortune " who were already joining the and aiding the military of the Egyptian Ptolemaic dynasty as early as 51 BC .

Rome wanted to control Egypt from the seat of the Roman government in Rome and under The Roman General Octavian who launched a first and then a second, successful, invasion of Egypt attacking and defeating Egypt in The Battle of Alexandria. Octavian was fighting with the full force of Rome against many independent Roman soldiers who had joined Cleopatra who ruled over Egypt. After Cleopatra VII was defeated, she committed suicide nine days after the defeat, losing the second battle. Roman and Italian independent soldiers of fortune had been joining the ranks of the Ptolemaic dynasty since as mercenaries as early as 51 BC.

The Roman Emperor Diocletian { 284 to 305 } was extremely brutal, executing many thousands of Christians in Egypt. Today, there are eight monasteries east of Akhmim, Egypt - dedicated to the Christian Martyrs of Egypt. - In Upper Egypt, the persecution was carried out by the Governor Arianus who had come to Akhmim from Lycopolis (Asyut) to hunt for Christians in the provinces of Panopolis (Akhmim) and Antaioupolis (Qaw al-Kebir).

Vatican documents mention 8140 known Christians who refused to offer sacrifices to the Roman gods who were massacred and killed in Egypt. Most of Egypt’s martyrs remained unknown and anonymous.. Many were tortured and beheaded.

Two natives of Akhmim, Egypt - Mercurius, and Ephraem who were Christian monks suffered martyrdom during the reign of the Arian Emperor Constantius (337-361) because they upheld the orthodox faith.

Hadrian the Roman emperor from 117 to 138 in Egypt began to tax and control both Pagans and Christians greatly reducing the number of Egyptian priests, and temples and closely monitored and controlled the Christian priests concerning their duties, dress, and personal finances. Higher Christian clergy were forbidden to engage in any financial activity that was outside their designated religious duty. All priests were required to wear linen (but no wool) and to be circumcised, unblemished and, subject to a r,ooo-drachma fine and shaven bald. Blab blab blab. As early as 4 BC, the prefect of a census called “ Gaius Turranius “ recorded a registry of all Pagan and Christian temple functions, their duties and their children and Rome began removing all priests who Rome considered as " not of priestly origin “

The Romans were mostly concerned in killing and eliminating the higher elements of both the Pagan and Christian world who posed a political threat to Rome’s dominion in Egypt and taxing to death the true Christians, whom the Pagan Christians were more than happy to collect until they abandon their True Biblical Faiths. - Rome had great success in Egypt, once it oppressed the fundamental fervent Christians { IF THERE EVER WERE ANY - in Egypt - IN ANY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER } Rome killed the pagan rebels - pagan and Christian alike and moved on to greater things - until the Persians took militant control in the 7 th. Century

Hundreds of thousands of Egyptians Christians were killed and massacred by the Romans and - In 541 Egypt and the surrounding areas were infected by plagues which killed off half of the population of specific major cities and many turned to Egypt for food and supplies - . And in 617, the Persians invaded Egypt. The Romans preserved ONLY the history that only pertained to propagate their lucrative Government and it’s Catholic religion. Everything relating to true Biblical writings, history and other disagreeing Christians and Original Greek and Hebrew Manuscripts and writings - became nothing more than - non-existent, fables and useless, forgotten Christians - who never existed - or never mattered.

Islam was next in line to preserve the history of Christianity in Egypt - and Muslims do not keep records of anything unless it promotes Islamic Government..

The majority of early Christians In Egypt were already blending their Paganism with elements of The Bible and they mostly worked contently with Rome and later Catholicism who joined Egypt in creating the Roman Catholic religion with prayer, worship and the divine spiritual meditation of Mother Mary and many other Pagan insertions into the Christian world. They even worked together to create the Greek Septuagint. - Much Data - concerning The Early Persecution Of Christians in Egypt has been completely erased – just as the writings and manuscripts and history of most all Early Christians around Rome and Egypt. 99 % of all known early Church History THAT has been preserved in Egypt and Rome - it is restricted and centered around people such as Eusebius of Egypt, Origen of Egypt, - Eusebius in Egypt, - Athanasius of Egypt, - Eusebius in Egypt, - Clement of Egypt, - St. Anthony of Egypt and many, many more. Rome / Egypt - Trinitarian Fathers.

Egypt simply became a retreat or a run – away location or a pagan bed of a get - away park with a ROMAN CONTOLER at the wheel - a special meeting place - away - where Trinitarians come together to experience a spiritual wet dream together, and they could then compose massive bodies and libraries of NEW IDEAS, THEORIES, DOCTRINES Heretical tests and experiments and theories, and fanciful writings and see to it that they were all sent where they needed to go and spread around to the right crowds and the right hot spots, - playing the field and see how the ball attracts the societies who wanted to mingle paganism with The Bible.. Trinity doctrines flew and orbited out of the park and the world has been chasing this these perverted Baal’s completely out of the Bible Park - since the third century.

The Heretical testing ground for Rome where history is made and what is not - Catholic - is all de - organized and non - existant, forgotten fables. Christians ? - ooh, right - : you mean the Catholics and Muslims in Egypt, who all have agreed that they all serve the same god. -

even gods can write history.
 
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Rebel Egyptian pagans - were mostly a problem for Rome in Egypt. Until Christians begin later to enter Egypt . There were not many abundant fundamental Bible Christians In Egypt when Rome took control. - and a mistype or mistake in my previous post should have said that it was Hadrian who sought to All pagan priests to conform to stadards - such as wearing linen and shaving their heads and other business practices.
 
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The fact is - Egypt and - Egyptian government religion and society had become property and domaining dominion of “ Rome “ after the death of Cleopatra VII in 30 BCE, which completely ended the reign of the Ptolemaic dynasty that had ruled Egypt since the death of Alexander the Great in 323 BCE.

After Alexander, the Great died 323 BC and The Ptolemaic Egyptian dynasty had begun already to reign since 305 B.C. But Rome began to gradually dominate the area and even by the later preceding Ptolemaic dynasty and kingdoms under Cleopatra VII in 69-30 BCE - it did not continue remaining after the death of Alexander the Great to bring about Cleopatra VII ascending and proceeding to the Egyptian throne, without the aid and consent of Rome and being militarily reinforced by Roman military forces in Alexandria Egypt, as the Roman and Italian mercenaries were as independent soldiers or so-called " soldiers of fortune " who were already joining the and aiding the military of the Egyptian Ptolemaic dynasty as early as 51 BC .

Rome wanted to control Egypt from the seat of the Roman government in Rome and under The Roman General Octavian who launched a first and then a second, successful, invasion of Egypt attacking and defeating Egypt in The Battle of Alexandria. Octavian was fighting with the full force of Rome against many independent Roman soldiers who had joined Cleopatra who ruled over Egypt. After Cleopatra VII was defeated, she committed suicide nine days after the defeat, losing the second battle. Roman and Italian independent soldiers of fortune had been joining the ranks of the Ptolemaic dynasty since as mercenaries as early as 51 BC.

The Roman Emperor Diocletian { 284 to 305 } was extremely brutal, executing many thousands of Christians in Egypt. Today, there are eight monasteries east of Akhmim, Egypt - dedicated to the Christian Martyrs of Egypt. - In Upper Egypt, the persecution was carried out by the Governor Arianus who had come to Akhmim from Lycopolis (Asyut) to hunt for Christians in the provinces of Panopolis (Akhmim) and Antaioupolis (Qaw al-Kebir).

Vatican documents mention 8140 known Christians who refused to offer sacrifices to the Roman gods who were massacred and killed in Egypt. Most of Egypt’s martyrs remained unknown and anonymous.. Many were tortured and beheaded.

Two natives of Akhmim, Egypt - Mercurius, and Ephraem who were Christian monks suffered martyrdom during the reign of the Arian Emperor Constantius (337-361) because they upheld the orthodox faith.

Hadrian the Roman emperor from 117 to 138 in Egypt began to tax and control both Pagans and Christians greatly reducing the number of Egyptian priests, and temples and closely monitored and controlled the Christian priests concerning their duties, dress, and personal finances. Higher Christian clergy were forbidden to engage in any financial activity that was outside their designated religious duty. All priests were required to wear linen (but no wool) and to be circumcised, unblemished and, subject to a r,ooo-drachma fine and shaven bald. Blab blab blab. As early as 4 BC, the prefect of a census called “ Gaius Turranius “ recorded a registry of all Pagan and Christian temple functions, their duties and their children and Rome began removing all priests who Rome considered as " not of priestly origin “

The Romans were mostly concerned in killing and eliminating the higher elements of both the Pagan and Christian world who posed a political threat to Rome’s dominion in Egypt and taxing to death the true Christians, whom the Pagan Christians were more than happy to collect until they abandon their True Biblical Faiths. - Rome had great success in Egypt, once it oppressed the fundamental fervent Christians { IF THERE EVER WERE ANY - in Egypt - IN ANY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER } Rome killed the pagan rebels - pagan and Christian alike and moved on to greater things - until the Persians took militant control in the 7 th. Century

Hundreds of thousands of Egyptians Christians were killed and massacred by the Romans and - In 541 Egypt and the surrounding areas were infected by plagues which killed off half of the population of specific major cities and many turned to Egypt for food and supplies - . And in 617, the Persians invaded Egypt. The Romans preserved ONLY the history that only pertained to propagate their lucrative Government and it’s Catholic religion. Everything relating to true Biblical writings, history and other disagreeing Christians and Original Greek and Hebrew Manuscripts and writings - became nothing more than - non-existent, fables and useless, forgotten Christians - who never existed - or never mattered.

Islam was next in line to preserve the history of Christianity in Egypt - and Muslims do not keep records of anything unless it promotes Islamic Government..

The majority of early Christians In Egypt were already blending their Paganism with elements of The Bible and they mostly worked contently with Rome and later Catholicism who joined Egypt in creating the Roman Catholic religion with prayer, worship and the divine spiritual meditation of Mother Mary and many other Pagan insertions into the Christian world. They even worked together to create the Greek Septuagint. - Much Data - concerning The Early Persecution Of Christians in Egypt has been completely erased – just as the writings and manuscripts and history of most all Early Christians around Rome and Egypt. 99 % of all known early Church History THAT has been preserved in Egypt and Rome - it is restricted and centered around people such as Eusebius of Egypt, Origen of Egypt, - Eusebius in Egypt, - Athanasius of Egypt, - Eusebius in Egypt, - Clement of Egypt, - St. Anthony of Egypt and many, many more. Rome / Egypt - Trinitarian Fathers.

Egypt simply became a retreat or a run – away location or a pagan bed of a get - away park with a ROMAN CONTOLER at the wheel - a special meeting place - away - where Trinitarians come together to experience a spiritual wet dream together, and they could then compose massive bodies and libraries of NEW IDEAS, THEORIES, DOCTRINES Heretical tests and experiments and theories, and fanciful writings and see to it that they were all sent where they needed to go and spread around to the right crowds and the right hot spots, - playing the field and see how the ball attracts the societies who wanted to mingle paganism with The Bible.. Trinity doctrines flew and orbited out of the park and the world has been chasing this these perverted Baal’s completely out of the Bible Park - since the third century.

The Heretical testing ground for Rome where history is made and what is not - Catholic - is all de - organized and non - existant, forgotten fables. Christians ? - ooh, right - : you mean the Catholics and Muslims in Egypt, who all have agreed that they all serve the same god. -

even gods can write history.
Rome did not stop the spread of the Septuagint out of Egypt several centuries before the RCC or Islamic religion influences, nor halt the spread of the Hebrew Bible. Rome failed to stop the gospel of Christ. It appears to me you are servant of the RCC historical account trying to justify its place in human significance.
 
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Rebel Egyptian pagans - were mostly a problem for Rome in Egypt. Until Christians begin later to enter Egypt . There were not many abundant fundamental Bible Christians In Egypt when Rome took control. - and a mistype or mistake in my previous post should have said that it was Hadrian who sought to All pagan priests to conform to stadards - such as wearing linen and shaving their heads and other business practices.
Again, it does not matter except to the people who suffered for those acts long ago. The truth survived. That battle continues today.
 
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Dear - Dovegiven.

I honestly do not feel that I have the right to determine or decide for Roman Catholic individuals concerning - whether or not the Roman Catholic church has a legitimate place in human significance.

I simply believe that I must do my part to accept that The Roman Catholic and all faiths in human society truly do have a rightful place in humanity. I would never want to even come close to having a chance of taking that right from any Catholics. Even though I do honestly disagree with Roman Catholics about their faith and claims, I still know that they are significant people and very important to humanity.

Can you please kindly expand a little upon what you believe that I said in my post that led you to conclude I was a servant of the RCC historical account. ? Also., what did I say to cause you to believe that I sounded like I was trying to justify, vindicate and confirm the place of the RCC - in humanities importance or significance ? - I may feel in my heart - that Catholicism is not a legitimate Christian Religion and that it does not have any place in human significance but I would never act upon these feelings nor in any way even share these feelings in public discourse.

I always keep these feelings to myself and would never in any way want or desire to deny the Roman Catholic the right to their personal faith. I really do not wish to be a servant to any history nor attempt to justify any religion.

I only want to state the facts and no feelings - and allow the facts to serve and justify themselves. If you re - read my posts, I hope you can understand my intent, and see that this intent was what my posts were about.
 

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