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Giants - Did God create them?

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I love and admire your beautiful dedication to the work of studies. Thank you kindly for responding so quickly, I really enjoyed reading when you had to say. Your response was inspiring and very eloquent. I was wondering if You could help me out with just one more topic.

My observation tells me that - whatever you are reading from , I am not finding this message [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]anywhere[/COLOR] in the Bible. .

The word “ Son “ appears in the Manuscripts 4925 times – and never does this Hebrew word apply to any angel – it is not even close to being the word or the meaning of an angel.
The word “ Son “ is = H1121 - בֵּן - bên / bane - Meaning = A son - including a grandson in a traditional polygamous family - or a nephew in a traditional polygamous family.

Also the word ( בֵּן - bên ) - Means = a young male animal such as -a calf or a colt. The Bible is consistent. This word always means a male human or a male animal just newly born. Not an angel.

Please honestly realize - that in the Bible, - the fact that Cain is the blood son of Adam does not make him a Son Of God - any more than it made the Hebrew Priests, Scribes and Pharisees in the Holy Temple colluding and diddling with King Herod - anything more, than the serpents / snakes - that Yahoshua labeled them as. Yahoshua said that they were - FROM their FATHER - The Devil. The devil was their Father. - not God. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Cain and his seed were just as much the Sons of The devil - just as the Pharisees were the Sons of their The devil - Yahoshus demanded that " YOU ARE FROM YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL " - and the lusts of your father ye will do. ...... Satan is a liar, and the father of lies. _ Joh 8:44.[/COLOR]

Joh 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is your Father ? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. :13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, b[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]ut through the righteousness of faith.[/COLOR]

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] born of God[/COLOR] doth not commit sin; for [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]his seed[/COLOR] remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is BORN FROM God.

Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]CHILD,[/COLOR] ye would do the works of Abraham. ... :41 Ye do the deeds of [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]your FATHER { SATAN )[/COLOR] . Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. :42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]How would Genesis 6:1-2 be any different than the continual message of the entire Bible. From the beginning of time ? - - The IDEA and concept of " [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(85, 57, 130)]Those created by God " are all - [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]the sons [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(71, 85, 119)]and[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] daughters of God[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)], Please explain - where does this have anything to do whatsoever - as simply being born from Adam or Abraham.[/COLOR]

I am reading from the Bible. And do we not find that, only those who are obedient to God are the Sons of God. Cain and his wicked seed are not the sons of The God ... ?

1Jn 3:12 [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Not as Cain,[/COLOR] who was " FROM " - exiting out of / from - [COLOR=rgb(85, 57, 130)]that wicked one[/COLOR], and slew his brother.

This Greek word ( Saying that Cain was " FROM THE WICKED ONE " - from is the Greek word - G1537 - ἐκ, ἐξ - ek - ex = Meaning = Denoting origin (the point whence motion or action proceeds), from, out (of place, time or cause; after, among, by (the means of), (-out of - FROM ). - Cain was literally just as much called - the son of Satan - ( FROM THE WICKED ONE ) - just as much as Yahoshua had called the Priests the " SONS OF THE DEVIL " and not the sons of God.

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]born [/COLOR]of God doth not commit sin; for[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] his seed remaineth in him[/COLOR]: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. :10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]children of the devil:[/COLOR] whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God..... :10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: - whosoever doeth not righteousness is not FROM God. - The God of the Bible - God is not a father to people like Cain – nor their seed – which is the seed of The Devil, their Father.

This reality is a fact that some people simply cannot add into their massive unbiblical list of man - made traditions and doctrines,

I am so glad that you are writing a great book - I wish I could read it, and I would purchase it, should you ever choose to market it. Can you see in the Bible - that - This is why God calls the SONS OF GOD - through the line of Seth -[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] because they are exactly as Yahoshua states that the Sons Of God would be.[/COLOR]

Also, my friend, - Have you ever noticed that - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Many Christians are happy to believe and DEMAND the fable that Angels in human bodies - created giants - but yet they recoil and nearly gag in theological disgust in a total dismissal, to the notion that Satan could have entered the serpent and created his very own son - as Cain... Is this not the most hypo – criticish and senseless faith mindset that you have ever encountered. [/COLOR]
 
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Gen 6:2; that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
Gen 6:3; Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
Gen 6:4; The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

I have to wonder why these verses make a distinction between the daughters of "men", and the sons of "God".
If they were all humans, why make this distinction? Why not the sons of men and the daughters of men?

Another place where the "sons of God" are obviously angels is Job.

Job 1:6; Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job 1:7; The LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it."

Job 2:1; Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 2:2; The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it."

The Bible specifically says some angels went after "strange flesh". (A race not their own)

Jude 1:6; And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

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As far as who were Cain's parents, the Bible tells us that also. Interestingly enough neither Cain nor Abel was born in the garden.

Gen 3:24; So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.
Gen 4:1; Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD."
 
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Hello there “ B-A-C “ I used to have the same question about these verses.

Many Trinitarian organizations and others as well are making claims that the “ Sons Of God “ in the Bible were Angels. – But I began to look to God’s word - in light of what the [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]actual original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts are actually saying[/COLOR]. I began to see exactly what the rest of the Bible says about this topic. _ _ Concerning the Sons of God.

I found that the Bible never, ever anywhere defines or suggests that any Angels are the Sons Of God in any place, nor at any time or situation or circumstance in the Bible. [COLOR=#5f6060]- But the idea, concept and very suggestion that an Angel is “ A Son Of God “ - this idea, message and notion, and belief - is not found – in a single place in the entire Bible. - The idea was emphasized, invented and asserted upon as an imaginary theory..[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#5f6060]This idea began in the Book of Enoch and was later inserted into the Roman Catholic Church by Trinitarian Fathers about 150 – 300 years after Christ.[/COLOR]

We only find that human beings are called The sons of God. And the Bible clarifies that Angels are never called as “ A Son OF God “ Yawhea denied and asked us to recall that he has never, ever stated to any Angel at any time anywhere that _ an angel - is my Son, this day have I begotten thee. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Nor has he stated that He will be to “ ( an Angel ) “ as a Father, and never has ( an Angel ) been said to be to me a Son. - A son of God.. This has never happened as it clearly says in the New Testament - in Heb 1:5[/COLOR]

Also, there is not even a mentioning of a single Angel anywhere in the first 16 chapters of the Bible – not until 10 whole, entire chapters later - after the giants of Gen 6 - About 400 - 500 years after this event - in Gen_16:7 ....
The first Angel ever mentioned is first mentioned - Appearing to Hagar.


In - [COLOR=#ec008c]Jude 1:6-7[/COLOR] [COLOR=#5f6060] The Bible - Mentions angels - who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ec008c] :7[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060]; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The author tells and explains the similarity that the Evil Angels and the Sodomite cites have in common. Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them were so evil and sexually immoral that they will be just like the ANGELS - who are both - exhibited as an example - in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The Angels mentioned in Jude 1:6 - they are not said to be SEXUALLY IMMORAL - but they are going to be sent to hell because they attacked Gods Angels in heaven. They are mentioned in the same situation with the Sodomite people because of the fact that they also as humans are going to receive - the punishment of eternal fire.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#5f6060]The Bible never says that Angels had committed sexual immorality – but that they had made war with God and attacked[/COLOR] - Michael and his angels.
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.[/COLOR]

Also many people pretend that when the “ Sons Of God “ were [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)]Presenting[/COLOR] themselves before the Lord The idea of humans ( The Sons Of God ) - are not also - presenting themselves before the Lord, this is not a seclusive concept or idea that is only applied solely to the Sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

HUMANS - STANDING OR PRESENTING THEMSELVES - before The Lord, [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]has not a single thing to do with literally floating up to heaven and literally standing before the Lord in heaven[/COLOR].
The word { [COLOR=#ff0000]PRESENT[/COLOR] } is the Hebrew word _ Yâtsab - [COLOR=#269a26]H3320[/COLOR] - יָ צַ ב - [COLOR=#ff0000]yâtsab[/COLOR] - yaw-tsab' -
Meaning = To place (any thing, so as to stay); To STAND, To station, To OFFER, To continue: - To present selves, To stand fast / forth, Standing, still, { Stand up ). - - This Same exact Hebrew word is used " 48 " TOTAL times in the Old Testament - in the same exact way, ALWAYS - with the same EXACT meaning -


And of these " 48 " total times it always - [COLOR=#0000ff]EVERY SINGLE LAST TIME - [/COLOR]Means[COLOR=#ffc000] {[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] TO STAND[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffc000])[/COLOR] and " 9 " times total we find where the Trinitarian Translated it as the word " PRESENTED " - As we here that[COLOR=#0000ff] many, many " OTHER SERVANTS OF GOD " are PRESENTING THEMSELVES[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] BEFORE THE LORD[/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff] -- [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]while here on earth[/COLOR]

As we see here the Humans here on earth are Presenting themselves before the Lord - but only here on earth,
1Sa 10:19 Now ( israel ) - therefore { [COLOR=#0000ff] Present[/COLOR] = Yâtsab - H3320 }- yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands.


Jos 24:1 And Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem.... and they { [COLOR=#0000ff]presented [/COLOR]= Yâtsab - H3320 }- themselves before God.

Job 1:6 The sons of God came { [COLOR=#0000ff]presenting[/COLOR] = Yâtsab - H3320 } themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. - - Job 2:1 The sons of God came and presented themselves before the LORD.

We see other applications of how this same exact word is used here in –
Jer 46:14 Declare ye in Egypt, and publish it - say you ( [COLOR=#003af2]Present / Stand [/COLOR]- H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâtsab ) and prepare for the sword shall devour round about you.


2Ch 20:6 O LORD - in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to - ( [COLOR=#003af2]Present / Stand[/COLOR] - H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâ tsab ) to you ?
1Sa 12:7 Now, therefore ( [COLOR=#003af2]Present / Stand[/COLOR] - H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâtsab ) that I may reason with you before the LORD
Exo 14:13 And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, ( [COLOR=#003af2]Present / Stand[/COLOR] - H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâtsab ) and see the salvation of the LORD.


Already we see three verses where humans on earth are - ( [COLOR=#003af2]Presenting / Standing[/COLOR] - H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâtsab ) - before the Lord. This is the same exact Hebrew word. The same exact word.

This Hebrew word - ( Yâtsab- H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב ) Means = { [COLOR=#0000ff]TO STAND [/COLOR][COLOR=#ffc000]/[/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff] PRESENT [/COLOR]) - and it is not always a literal meaning - as to literally be standing in a physical sense. IT ALSO MEANS TO MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY STAND. The Bible uses this word as a mental or spiritual application - as to say - [COLOR=#ff0000]STAND STRONG - OR STAND STILL [/COLOR] and hear or sense or serve God. - and this is mostly how this word is used in most of the Bible.
HUMANS - STANDING OR PRESENTING THEMSELVES - before The Lord, [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]has not a single thing to do with literally floating up to heaven and literally standing before the Lord in heaven.[/COLOR]

Humans are doing this on earth - in the Bible- The Servants / Sons Of God - ( THE JEWS ) Moses, Prophets, Priests and all of Israel are [COLOR=#0000ff]PRESENTING[/COLOR] THEMSELVES BEFORE THE LORD. - on earth. -

There is yet - another Hebrew word that also means to " [COLOR=#0000ff]presenting[/COLOR] " or to " PRESENT " yourself. - And this Hebrew word means exactly the same exact thing - but is a different word. -

[COLOR=#269a26]H5975[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#ff0000]עָ מ ד[/COLOR] - ‛âmad -aw-mad' - Meaning = ( TO BE [COLOR=#003af2]PRESENT[/COLOR] . ) To stand / continue / endure, To raise up, To set (forth, To stand by, To stand fast, firm. - This word has this same exact meaning and also used in the Trinitarian Translation as also the word - Meaning = ( PRESENT / PRESENTED ) - As we see in these verses -

Lev 9:5 And they brought the sacrifice and all the congregation drew near and { [COLOR=#0000ff]Presented[/COLOR] / stood it - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD.
Lev 14:11 The priest shall { [COLOR=#0000ff]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } the man and these things before the LORD, at the door of the tabernacle....
Lev 16:7 The two goats, shall be { [COLOR=#0000ff]Presented[/COLOR] / stood - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Num 5:16 And the priest shall bring her near, and { [COLOR=#0000ff]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛a ̂mad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } her before the LORD:
Deu 4:10 You Israel were { [COLOR=#0000ff]Present[/COLOR] / standing - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD thy God in Horeb
Lev 14:11 And the priest shall { [COLOR=#0000ff]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } the man that is to be made clean.
Lev 16:7 And he shall take the two goats, and { Present / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } them before the LORD.
Lev 27:8 But if he be poorer than thy estimation, then he shall { Present / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } himself before the priest.
Num 3:6 Bring the tribe of Levi near, and { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } them before Aaron the priest,
Deu 5:5 I ( Moses ) { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stood - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } between the LORD and You.
Deu 10:8 The tribe of Levi carried the ark, to { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD.
Deu 18:7 The Levites - { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } there before the LORD.
Deu 19:17 Men in controversy ... shall { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD, before the priests and the judges.

Deu 29:10 Captains of tribes, elders and officers and all men of Israel - { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD your God.

1Sa 6:20 Who is able to { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before this holy LORD God? - ( in war )1Ki 18:15 Elijah said - I am { [COLOR=#0000ff]Presented [/COLOR]/ stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the Lord.
1Ki 19:11 Go forth, and am { [COLOR=#0000ff]Presented[/COLOR] / standing - ‛a ̂mad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD, breaking in pieces the rocks before the LORD.

2Ki 5:16 Naman the prophet said - I am { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / standing - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the Lord.
Ezr 9:15 Because of our trespasses: we cannot { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before The Lord.

No human or angel is seen floating or flying back up to heaven when they are presenting THEMSELVES before the Lord.
[COLOR=#4a442a]As it says in - Joh 3:13[/COLOR] [COLOR=#bf3030]And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]even[/COLOR] [COLOR=#bf3030]the Son of man which is in heaven.[/COLOR]
If the “ SONS OF GOD “ have taken on “ a human form “ and have become humans - and are now human beings with sexual reproductive organs and have had sexual intercourse with woman in [COLOR=#802020]Gen 6. - [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(85, 57, 130)]AS humans[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] / man - how can they - man -[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] present themselves before the Lord.[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - by literally [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]going[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] up into heaven [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]? [/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] -[/COLOR]

The Bible says that - And [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]no man[/COLOR] hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven.
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]And the very reason that God decided to flood and destroy the earth – was because[/COLOR] – God stated - that the “ HUMANS “ in Gen 6:5 - that the wickedness of [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]man[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]was[/COLOR] great in the earth
in Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of [COLOR=#ff0000]man[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]was[/COLOR] great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. :7 And the LORD said, I will destroy [COLOR=#ff0000]man[/COLOR] whom I have created from the face of the earth; both [COLOR=#ff0000]man[/COLOR], and [COLOR=#ff0000]beast[/COLOR], and the [COLOR=#ff0000]creeping thing[/COLOR], and the [COLOR=#ff0000]fowls[/COLOR] of the air.

Here - God does not Destroy the earth because of - sins of Fallen Angels - Angels are never even mentioned anywhere in the beginning until an angel appears to Hagar, Abraham and Sarah.
It was HUMANS - “ MANKIND “ who were destroyed because of the fact that - the wickedness of [COLOR=#ff0000]man[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]was[/COLOR] great in the earth, and that [COLOR=#ff0000]every imagination[/COLOR] of the thoughts of [COLOR=#ff0000]their[/COLOR] heart was only evil continually. The subject is about the Sons Of God during the time of Noah – who had abandoned and refused to continue to serve God, as they began to corrupt their seed with the evil daughters of mankind. Thy discarded God and did not even listen to Noah. – Noa and His family were the only ones who were following God’s plan of marriage - As Noah did not have sons until he was 500 years old.
Yahoshua explains this description here in - Luk 17:26 And as it was [COLOR=#ff0000]in the days[/COLOR] of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]They[/COLOR] did eat, they drank, [COLOR=#ff0000]they married wives[/COLOR], they [COLOR=#ff0000]were given in marriage[/COLOR], until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and [COLOR=#ff0000]destroyed them all. [/COLOR]
And - Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have [COLOR=#ff0000]suffered his house[/COLOR] to be [COLOR=#ff0000]broken[/COLOR] up.
Also - Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the[COLOR=#ff0000] generations[/COLOR] of Noah: Noah was a just man and [COLOR=#ff0000]perfect in his generations[/COLOR], and Noah walked with God.
Noah found grace in the eyes of God - BECAUSE - Noah was a just man and [COLOR=#ff0000]perfect in his generations[/COLOR],
Gen 8:21 And the LORD ----- said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. AGAIN - the destruction of the old world was because [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]MAN[/COLOR] was evil. Never Angels.

[COLOR=#802020]Gen 9:8[/COLOR] And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, [COLOR=#208080] :9[/COLOR] And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] with your seed [/COLOR]after you;

And God continues to record the [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Generations [/COLOR]of Noah – down to Yahoshua - it is a list of [COLOR=rgb(40, 50, 78)]The Sons of God [/COLOR] among Noah – who served God. And God again records and divides the list of generations of split seed of Noah - recording the writing the very seed that are serving God, [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]as God – distinguishes the evil seed to be born after Noah, and the good seed - who are again called the “ SONS OF GOD “[/COLOR] as we see them through “ Shem “ being called the sons of God throughout the Old Testament.

[COLOR=#802020]Gen 10:21[/COLOR] Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Heber, “ HEBREWS “ [COLOR=#208080]:22[/COLOR] Shem – 400 years - to Abraham.
After Abraham the first angel is mentioned.

The Bible Fully Continually Commands - that the [COLOR=#ff1919]Servants[/COLOR][COLOR=#003af2] [/COLOR]and “ SONS and DAUGHTERS of God “ [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]are not to be intermarrying with other men and women who are not following God.[/COLOR] – Who are not called Sons and Daughters Of God.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not [COLOR=#003af2]unequally [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]yoked together[/COLOR][COLOR=#003af2] with unbelievers[/COLOR]: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
:18 [COLOR=#ff1919]I will be a Father unto you, [/COLOR]and[COLOR=#ff1919] ye shall be my sons and daughters, [/COLOR]saith the Lord Almighty.

Gen 24:3 And I will make thee swear by the LORD, God of heaven, and earth, that thou shalt [COLOR=#ff1919]not take a wife[/COLOR] unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:
Gen_24:37 My master made me swear, saying, Thou shalt [COLOR=#ff1919]not take a wife[/COLOR] to my son of the [COLOR=#ff1919]daughters [/COLOR]of the Canaanites, in whose land I dwell:
1Ki 11:1 But king Solomon loved [COLOR=#ff1919]many strange[/COLOR] women, ...... Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; :2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye [COLOR=#ff1919]shall not go in to them[/COLOR], neither shall [COLOR=#ff1919]they come in[/COLOR] unto you.
Neh 13:23 Certain Jews had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab: :25 And I.....made them swear by God, saying, Ye [COLOR=#ff1919]shall not give your daughters[/COLOR] unto their sons, nor take [COLOR=#ff1919]their daughters[/COLOR] unto your sons, or for yourselves.
Neh 13:26 Solomon king of Israel sinned by - transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?
Gen26:34, 35  When Eʹsau[COLOR=#ff1919] two wifes[/COLOR] of the Hitʹtite 35 They were a source of [COLOR=#ff1919]great grief[/COLOR] to Isaac and Re• bekʹah.
Gen 28:6 Jacob commanded Esau [COLOR=#ff1919]to not take him a wife[/COLOR] from the [COLOR=#ff1919]daughters[/COLOR] of Canaan.
Gen 27:46 And Rebekah said to Isaac... if Jacob [COLOR=#ff1919]take a wife [/COLOR]of the daughters of Heth, ... what good shall my life do me?
Gen 24:4 But thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and take a wife. Verse 5 - says that Abraham said that Isaac [COLOR=#ff1919]could not find a wife[/COLOR] among his family - he is not even to come back home to Canaan.
Jdg 14:3 The father and mother asked Samson - Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or my people, [COLOR=#ff1919]that thou goest to take a wife[/COLOR] of the uncircumcised Philistines?
Jer_16:2 T[COLOR=#ff1919]hou shalt not take[/COLOR] thee a wife, [COLOR=#ff1919]neither shalt thou have sons or daughters[/COLOR] in this place.
Gen 24:7 The LORD God of heaven, which took me from my father's house, and from the land of my kindred, and which spake unto me, and that sware unto me, saying, Unto thy seed will I give this land; he shall send his angel before thee, and thou shalt [COLOR=#ff1919]take a wife unto my son from thence[/COLOR].
Ezr 2:61 Certain priests took a wife [COLOR=#ff1919]of the daughters[/COLOR] of the Gileadites :62 and they were, as polluted, and put out from the priesthood.
Deu 7:1 The LORD said “ I shall bring thee into the land of the Hittites, Girga****es , Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and the Jebusites, :3 You [COLOR=#ff0000]shall not make marriages[/COLOR] with them; [COLOR=#ff0000]thy daughter [/COLOR]thou shalt not give [COLOR=#ff0000]unto his son[/COLOR], nor his daughter[COLOR=#ff0000] shalt thou take unto thy son[/COLOR].
Exo 34:16 [COLOR=#ff1919]Do not take daughters[/COLOR] unto thy sons - with the inhabitants of the land
Ezr 10:2 We have trespassed against our God, and have taken [COLOR=#ff1919]strange wives[/COLOR] of the people of the land :3 Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to [COLOR=#ff1919]put away all the wives[/COLOR], and such as are born of them.
Mal 2:11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, an abomination is committed in Israel and Jerusalem; by [COLOR=#ff1919]marrying the daughter[/COLOR] of a strange god. 12 The LORD will cut off the man that doeth.

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]This is why The “ Sons OF God “ were destroyed in the flood, and Noah who waited 500 years just find a godly wife – this was so important to God[/COLOR].

IT simply says ( there were giants in the earth in these days. At this time - frame.....) In the days when the Sons of God just previously listed in a long list of a separate, exclusive genealogy had -- began to disobey God and intermarrying with the daughters outside of their genealogy line. – The daughters of man. -were meaning – women, not their own ancestral – incest related “ family line “ from Seth.

The Bible shows that there was a huge generation gap that existed between Adam’ s daughters and Seth’ s Grand Sons - and the generation gap existed from both ends of the male and female sexes... it was also the MALE SEED of Seth that was also additionally much, much older in age as well – compared to the Daughters that Adam had much later on in His life. - Adam again had sons and daughters here later in life - in Gen 5:4 that clearly tells us. ( whenever - He was [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]800[/COLOR] years old. As these future additional daughters of Adam mentioned here in Gen 5:4 - were not born until after -[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] 800 [/COLOR]Years after [COLOR=#003af2]Seth[/COLOR] had been born. - Adam was only 130 years old when Seth was born, the Manuscripts explain[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] that the generational gap with Set[/COLOR]h - was that - all of the Grandsons of Seth would have [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]very limited choice of Godly women [/COLOR]to marry because any additional DAUGHTERS of ADAM to marry - simply did not exist yet, as Seth’s following Grandsons in the lineage would have to wait for 800 years after the birth of Seth to even see any additional daughters whatsoever to be again - even born from Adam – because [COLOR=#ff0000]Adam did not produce [/COLOR]any additional daughter[COLOR=#ff0000]s until 800 Years after Seth had been born. [/COLOR] Yet the sons of Cain were producing daughters. Adam had to wait for the right woman.

AND - Seth Himself, - He - did not [COLOR=#003af2]again [/COLOR] produce any [COLOR=#ff1919]MORE[/COLOR] children - u[COLOR=#ff1919]ntil 807 years after His own first so[/COLOR]n [COLOR=#003af2]Enos[/COLOR] was born. – However, because of the generational age gap difference, each and every single son - of the line of Seth would have to - and did wait - Which explains the [COLOR=#ff0000]500 to 800 [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]years of generational gaps[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] between children [/COLOR]being produced [COLOR=#003af2]from the seed[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] of Seth. [/COLOR]The waiting time - seemed to decrease and then increase { Fluctuate / shift } back and forth a bit in the number of years as the years went on – just for the first wife that each progressing son marries.

Gen_5:6 And [COLOR=#003af2]Seth[/COLOR] lived an hundred and five years, and begat [COLOR=#003af2]Enos:[/COLOR] :7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]eight hundred and seven years, and - { again } Seth - begat sons and daughters:[/COLOR] - There is a huge gap between the times that he has produced children.
- [COLOR=#003af2]Cainan[/COLOR] waited for 70 years to have a son named [COLOR=#003af2]Mahalaleel[/COLOR]. - Mahalaleel Waited 65 years to have Jared . - [COLOR=#003af2]Mahalaleel[/COLOR] literally [COLOR=#ff1919]again waited again for another 830 more years[/COLOR] to have more un – named sons and daughters. - And [COLOR=#003af2]Jared[/COLOR] Waited 162 years to have Enoch. - [COLOR=#003af2]Jared[/COLOR] literally [COLOR=#ff1919]waited again for another 800 more years [/COLOR]to have more un – named sons and daughters. - [COLOR=#003af2]Enoch [/COLOR]waited 65 years to have a son named Methuselah. And[COLOR=#003af2] Enoch[/COLOR] waited a[COLOR=#ff1919]gain for 300 years[/COLOR] to have more un – named sons and daughters. And [COLOR=#003af2]Methuselah [/COLOR]waited 187 years to have a son named [COLOR=#003af2]Lamech[/COLOR]. - And [COLOR=#003af2]Methuselah[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff1919]waited again for 782 more years[/COLOR] to have more un – named sons and daughters. - And Lamech waited for 182 years to have a son named Noah. - And [COLOR=#ff1919]Lamech waited for 592 more years[/COLOR] to have un – named sons and daughters. - And [COLOR=#003af2]Noah[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff1919] was 500 years old[/COLOR] when He had Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]This is the picture we see showing a major generational gap and 500 to 800 of years[/COLOR] of [COLOR=#003af2]waiting periods[/COLOR] between the Seed of Seth and [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]other women[/COLOR] - in producing more children. - The Sons of Seth’s line that are recorded by name were actually waiting through [COLOR=#003af2]500 to 800 years of generational gaps[/COLOR] that combined with waiting for the women who were willing to marry them and accept that they served the Lord. And waiting for the right Godly wife or wives.. Obviously, it was not an easy task. The seed of Cain simply were wicked and their lifestyle was very attractive to even many of the seed of Seth.

We find also, that Cain already had three Grand Sons ( THREE GENERATIONS HAD PASSED - before Seth was even born, as the seed of CAIN had a plenty amount of born females to choose from.

We see that the Bible [COLOR=#7030a0]never[/COLOR] labels “ a single angel “ - as a son of God. – it is always and ONLY - the Humans who are sons and daughters of God. And giants were simply mentioned in the context of stating { THERE WERE GIANTS IN THE LAND } at this coincidental time ... Nowhere does any scripture say that the " Giants " were the offspring of any particular [COLOR=#ff1919]union[/COLOR]. There were giants in many other cultures and giant - tall people still exist today.

Giants and tall people are created by a mutant gene in their DNA - just because someone has a mutated and irregular DNA, it does not mean that they are going to grow to be giants. IF the DNA of Giants were introduced into the Human DNA by fallen angels and then the Angels were sent to hell. How are there still giants today being born. Has this DNA been passed down for thousands of generations and just randomly pops up in a nonrandom erratic way. If Giants and tallness were caused by fallen angels - what causes pygmies and dwarfs and very short people to be produced. Obviously, it is caused by mutated genes.

It is estimated that there are between 250,000 and 600,000 Pygmie people living in the Congo rainforest. . Scientists explain that they believe that the short stature of pygmies in studies is suggesting a relation to a genetic adaptation to low ultraviolet light levels in rainforests. Where very little vitamin D can be made in human skin, thereby limiting calcium uptake from the diet for bone growth and maintenance, and leading to the evolution of the small skeletal size.

Also lack of food in the rainforest environment, low calcium levels in the soil, the need to move through dense jungle, adaptation to heat and humidity, and as an association with rapid reproductive maturation under conditions of early mortality. Also, there are low serum levels of insulin-like growth factor-1 producing a short stature - and these Pygmies do not practice agriculture Peoples environment and diet and the mating choices are what determine how tall they are. The 90 + verses of the Bible all refer to [COLOR=#ff1919]HUMANS ALONE[/COLOR], as the s[COLOR=#ff1919]ons and daughters of God.[/COLOR] Angels are never mentioned as such.. this is all speculation and inference and extrapolations that are made on the texts - just because Giants were in the earth when the Sons of God began to marry the daughters of men and the Bible makes mention that Giants existed the earth at this exact time... they suddenly conclude that the Giants were some sort of product of spiritual beings. When the Bible explains in every single last detail that SONS OF GOD are humans. If they were angels - there would be [COLOR=#ff1919]at least one single verse [/COLOR]that refers to an angel as a son of God. But no such a verse exists anywhere in the Gospels or the Torah.

Does not - the Bible deny the idea that Angels are sons of God

Heb_1:5 * For unto [COLOR=#ff1919]which of the angels[/COLOR] said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
It is all imagination and fantasy theory. Not supported by a single verse in the entire Bible - And contradiction to the Bible storyline and Contradiction to Yahoshua’s own words in Heb_1:5 ... - Is Yahoshua lying ?>
For unto [COLOR=#ff1919]which of the angels[/COLOR] said he at any time, ......... I will be to ( ANGELS ) a Father, and ( ANGELS ) shall be to me a Son ? - never in the manuscripts.
 
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Hello there “ B-A-C “ I used to have the same question about these verses.

Many Trinitarian organizations and others as well are making claims that the “ Sons Of God “ in the Bible were Angels. – But I began to look to God’s word - in light of what the [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]actual original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts are actually saying[/COLOR]. I began to see exactly what the rest of the Bible says about this topic. _ _ Concerning the Sons of God.

I found that the Bible never, ever anywhere defines or suggests that any Angels are the Sons Of God in any place, nor at any time or situation or circumstance in the Bible. [COLOR=#5f6060]- But the idea, concept and very suggestion that an Angel is “ A Son Of God “ - this idea, message and notion, and belief - is not found – in a single place in the entire Bible. - The idea was emphasized, invented and asserted upon as an imaginary theory..[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#5f6060]This idea began in the Book of Enoch and was later inserted into the Roman Catholic Church by Trinitarian Fathers about 150 – 300 years after Christ.[/COLOR]

We only find that human beings are called The sons of God. And the Bible clarifies that Angels are never called as “ A Son OF God “ Yawhea denied and asked us to recall that he has never, ever stated to any Angel at any time anywhere that _ an angel - is my Son, this day have I begotten thee. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Nor has he stated that He will be to “ ( an Angel ) “ as a Father, and never has ( an Angel ) been said to be to me a Son. - A son of God.. This has never happened as it clearly says in the New Testament - in Heb 1:5[/COLOR]

Also, there is not even a mentioning of a single Angel anywhere in the first 16 chapters of the Bible – not until 10 whole, entire chapters later - after the giants of Gen 6 - About 400 - 500 years after this event - in Gen_16:7 ....
The first Angel ever mentioned is first mentioned - Appearing to Hagar.


In - [COLOR=#ec008c]Jude 1:6-7[/COLOR] [COLOR=#5f6060] The Bible - Mentions angels - who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ec008c] :7[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060]; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The author tells and explains the similarity that the Evil Angels and the Sodomite cites have in common. Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them were so evil and sexually immoral that they will be just like the ANGELS - who are both - exhibited as an example - in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The Angels mentioned in Jude 1:6 - they are not said to be SEXUALLY IMMORAL - but they are going to be sent to hell because they attacked Gods Angels in heaven. They are mentioned in the same situation with the Sodomite people because of the fact that they also as humans are going to receive - the punishment of eternal fire.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#5f6060]The Bible never says that Angels had committed sexual immorality – but that they had made war with God and attacked[/COLOR] - Michael and his angels.
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.[/COLOR]

Also many people pretend that when the “ Sons Of God “ were [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)]Presenting[/COLOR] themselves before the Lord The idea of humans ( The Sons Of God ) - presenting themselves before the Lord is not a seclusive concept or idea that is only applied solely to the Sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

HUMANS - STANDING OR PRESENTING THEMSELVES - before The Lord, [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]has not a single thing to do with literally floating up to heaven and literally standing before the Lord in heaven[/COLOR].
The word { [COLOR=#ff0000]PRESENT[/COLOR] } is the Hebrew word _ Yâtsab - [COLOR=#269a26]H3320[/COLOR] - יָ צַ ב - [COLOR=#ff0000]yâtsab[/COLOR] - yaw-tsab' -
Meaning = To place (any thing, so as to stay); To STAND, To station, To OFFER, To continue: - To present selves, To stand fast / forth, Standing, still, { Stand up ). - - This Same exact Hebrew word is used " 48 " TOTAL times in the Old Testament - in the same exact way, ALWAYS - with the same EXACT meaning -


And of these " 48 " total times it always - [COLOR=#0000ff]EVERY SINGLE LAST TIME - [/COLOR]Means[COLOR=#ffc000] {[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] TO STAND[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffc000])[/COLOR] and " 9 " times total we find where the Trinitarian Translated it as the word " PRESENTED " - As we here that[COLOR=#0000ff] many, many " OTHER SERVANTS OF GOD " are PRESENTING THEMSELVES[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] BEFORE THE LORD[/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff] -- [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]while here on earth[/COLOR]

As we see here the Humans here on earth are Presenting themselves before the Lord - but only here on earth,
1Sa 10:19 Now ( israel ) - therefore { [COLOR=#0000ff] Present[/COLOR] = Yâtsab - H3320 }- yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands.


Jos 24:1 And Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem.... and they { [COLOR=#0000ff]presented [/COLOR]= Yâtsab - H3320 }- themselves before God.

Job 1:6 The sons of God came { [COLOR=#0000ff]presenting[/COLOR] = Yâtsab - H3320 } themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. - - Job 2:1 The sons of God came and presented themselves before the LORD.

We see other applications of how this same exact word is used here in –
Jer 46:14 Declare ye in Egypt, and publish it - say you ( [COLOR=#003af2]Present / Stand [/COLOR]- H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâtsab ) and prepare for the sword shall devour round about you.


2Ch 20:6 O LORD - in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to - ( [COLOR=#003af2]Present / Stand[/COLOR] - H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâ tsab ) to you ?
1Sa 12:7 Now, therefore ( [COLOR=#003af2]Present / Stand[/COLOR] - H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâtsab ) that I may reason with you before the LORD
Exo 14:13 And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, ( [COLOR=#003af2]Present / Stand[/COLOR] - H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâtsab ) and see the salvation of the LORD.


Already we see three verses where humans on earth are - ( [COLOR=#003af2]Presenting / Standing[/COLOR] - H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâtsab ) - before the Lord. This is the same exact Hebrew word. The same exact word.

This Hebrew word - ( Yâtsab- H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב ) Means = { [COLOR=#0000ff]TO STAND [/COLOR][COLOR=#ffc000]/[/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff] PRESENT [/COLOR]) - and it is not always a literal meaning - as to literally be standing in a physical sense. IT ALSO MEANS TO MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY STAND. The Bible uses this word as a mental or spiritual application - as to say - [COLOR=#ff0000]STAND STRONG - OR STAND STILL [/COLOR] and hear or sense or serve God. - and this is mostly how this word is used in most og tyhe Bible.
HUMANS - STANDING OR PRESENTING THEMSELVES - before The Lord, [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]has not a single thing to do with literally floating up to heaven and literally standing before the Lord in heaven.[/COLOR]

Humans are doing this on earth - in the Bible- The Servants / Sons Of God - ( THE JEWS ) Moses, Prophets, Priests and all of Israel are [COLOR=#0000ff]PRESENTING[/COLOR] THEMSELVES BEFORE THE LORD. - on earth. -

There is yet - another Hebrew word that also means to " [COLOR=#0000ff]presenting[/COLOR] " or to " PRESENT " yourself. - And this Hebrew word means exactly the same exact thing - but is a different word. -

[COLOR=#269a26]H5975[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#ff0000]עָ מ ד[/COLOR] - ‛âmad -aw-mad' - Meaning = ( TO BE [COLOR=#003af2]PRESENT[/COLOR] . ) To stand / continue / endure, To raise up, To set (forth, To stand by, To stand fast, firm. - This word has this same exact meaning and also used in the Trinitarian Translation as also the word - Meaning = ( PRESENT / PRESENTED ) - As we see in these verses -

Lev 9:5 And they brought the sacrifice and all the congregation drew near and { [COLOR=#0000ff]Presented[/COLOR] / stood it - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD.
Lev 14:11 The priest shall { [COLOR=#0000ff]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } the man and these things before the LORD, at the door of the tabernacle....
Lev 16:7 The two goats, shall be { [COLOR=#0000ff]Presented[/COLOR] / stood - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Num 5:16 And the priest shall bring her near, and { [COLOR=#0000ff]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛a ̂mad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } her before the LORD:
Deu 4:10 You Israel were { [COLOR=#0000ff]Present[/COLOR] / standing - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD thy God in Horeb
Lev 14:11 And the priest shall { [COLOR=#0000ff]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } the man that is to be made clean.
Lev 16:7 And he shall take the two goats, and { Present / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } them before the LORD.
Lev 27:8 But if he be poorer than thy estimation, then he shall { Present / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } himself before the priest.
Num 3:6 Bring the tribe of Levi near, and { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } them before Aaron the priest,
Deu 5:5 I ( Moses ) { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stood - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } between the LORD and You.
Deu 10:8 The tribe of Levi carried the ark, to { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD.
Deu 18:7 The Levites - { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } there before the LORD.
Deu 19:17 Men in controversy ... shall { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD, before the priests and the judges.

Deu 29:10 Captains of tribes, elders and officers and all men of Israel - { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD your God.

1Sa 6:20 Who is able to { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before this holy LORD God? - ( in war )1Ki 18:15 Elijah said - I am { [COLOR=#0000ff]Presented [/COLOR]/ stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the Lord.
1Ki 19:11 Go forth, and am { [COLOR=#0000ff]Presented[/COLOR] / standing - ‛a ̂mad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD, breaking in pieces the rocks before the LORD.

2Ki 5:16 Naman the prophet said - I am { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / standing - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the Lord.
Ezr 9:15 Because of our trespasses: we cannot { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before The Lord.

No human or angel is seen floating or flying back up to heaven when they are presenting THEMSELVES before the Lord.
[COLOR=#4a442a]As it says in - Joh 3:13[/COLOR] [COLOR=#bf3030]And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]even[/COLOR] [COLOR=#bf3030]the Son of man which is in heaven.[/COLOR]
If the “ SONS OF GOD “ have taken on “ a human form “ and have become humans - and are now human beings with sexual reproductive organs and have had sexual intercourse with woman in [COLOR=#802020]Gen 6. - [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(85, 57, 130)]AS humans[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] / man - how can they - man -[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] present themselves before the Lord.[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - by literally [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]going[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] up into heaven [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]? [/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] -[/COLOR]

The Bible says that - And [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]no man[/COLOR] hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven.
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]And the very reason that God decided to flood and destroy the earth – was because[/COLOR] – God stated - that the “ HUMANS “ in Gen 6:5 - that the wickedness of [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]man[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]was[/COLOR] great in the earth
in Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of [COLOR=#ff0000]man[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]was[/COLOR] great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy [COLOR=#ff0000]man[/COLOR] whom I have created from the face of the earth; both [COLOR=#ff0000]man[/COLOR], and [COLOR=#ff0000]beast[/COLOR], and the [COLOR=#ff0000]creeping thing[/COLOR], and the [COLOR=#ff0000]fowls[/COLOR] of the air.

Here - God does not Destroy the earth because of - sins of Fallen Angels - Angels are never even mentioned anywhere in the beginning until an angel appears to Hagar, Abraham and Sarah.
It was HUMANS - “ MANKIND “ who were destroyed because of the fact that - the wickedness of [COLOR=#ff0000]man[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]was[/COLOR] great in the earth, and that [COLOR=#ff0000]every imagination[/COLOR] of the thoughts of [COLOR=#ff0000]their[/COLOR] heart was only evil continually. The subject is about the Sons Of God during the time of Noah – who had abandoned and refused to continue to serve God, as they began to corrupt their seed with the evil daughters of mankind. Thy discarded God and did not even listen to Noah. – Noa and His family were the only ones who were following God’s plan of marriage - As Noah did not have sons until he was 500 years old.
Yahoshua explains this description here in - Luk 17:26 And as it was [COLOR=#ff0000]in the days[/COLOR] of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]They[/COLOR] did eat, they drank, [COLOR=#ff0000]they married wives[/COLOR], they [COLOR=#ff0000]were given in marriage[/COLOR], until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and [COLOR=#ff0000]destroyed them all. [/COLOR]
And - Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have [COLOR=#ff0000]suffered his house[/COLOR] to be [COLOR=#ff0000]broken[/COLOR] up.
Also - Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the[COLOR=#ff0000] generations[/COLOR] of Noah: Noah was a just man and [COLOR=#ff0000]perfect in his generations[/COLOR], and Noah walked with God.
Noah found grace in the eyes of God - BECAUSE - Noah was a just man and [COLOR=#ff0000]perfect in his generations[/COLOR],
Gen 8:21 And the LORD ----- said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. AGAIN - the destruction of the old world was because [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]MAN[/COLOR] was evil. Never Angels.

[COLOR=#802020]Gen 9:8[/COLOR] And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, [COLOR=#208080] :9[/COLOR] And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] with your seed [/COLOR]after you;

And God continues to record the [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Generations [/COLOR]of Noah – down to Yahoshua - it is a list of [COLOR=rgb(40, 50, 78)]The Sons of God [/COLOR] among Noah – who served God. And God again records and divides the list of generations of split seed of Noah - recording the writing the very seed that are serving God, [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]as God – distinguishes the evil seed to be born after Noah, and the good seed - who are again called the “ SONS OF GOD “[/COLOR] as we see them through “ Shem “ being called the sons of God throughout the Old Testament.

[COLOR=#802020]Gen 10:21[/COLOR] Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Heber, “ HEBREWS “ [COLOR=#208080]:22[/COLOR] Shem – 400 years - to Abraham.
After Abraham the first angel is mentioned.

The Bible Fully Continually Commands - that the [COLOR=#ff1919]Servants[/COLOR][COLOR=#003af2] [/COLOR]and “ SONS and DAUGHTERS of God “ [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]are not to be intermarrying with other men and women who are not following God.[/COLOR] – Who are not called Sons and Daughters Of God.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not [COLOR=#003af2]unequally [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]yoked together[/COLOR][COLOR=#003af2] with unbelievers[/COLOR]: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
:18 [COLOR=#ff1919]I will be a Father unto you, [/COLOR]and[COLOR=#ff1919] ye shall be my sons and daughters, [/COLOR]saith the Lord Almighty.

Gen 24:3 And I will make thee swear by the LORD, God of heaven, and earth, that thou shalt [COLOR=#ff1919]not take a wife[/COLOR] unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:
Gen_24:37 My master made me swear, saying, Thou shalt [COLOR=#ff1919]not take a wife[/COLOR] to my son of the [COLOR=#ff1919]daughters [/COLOR]of the Canaanites, in whose land I dwell:
1Ki 11:1 But king Solomon loved [COLOR=#ff1919]many strange[/COLOR] women, ...... Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; :2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye [COLOR=#ff1919]shall not go in to them[/COLOR], neither shall [COLOR=#ff1919]they come in[/COLOR] unto you.
Neh 13:23 Certain Jews had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab: :25 And I.....made them swear by God, saying, Ye [COLOR=#ff1919]shall not give your daughters[/COLOR] unto their sons, nor take [COLOR=#ff1919]their daughters[/COLOR] unto your sons, or for yourselves.
Neh 13:26 Solomon king of Israel sinned by - transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?
Gen26:34, 35  When Eʹsau[COLOR=#ff1919] two wifes[/COLOR] of the Hitʹtite 35 They were a source of [COLOR=#ff1919]great grief[/COLOR] to Isaac and Re• bekʹah.
Gen 28:6 Jacob commanded Esau [COLOR=#ff1919]to not take him a wife[/COLOR] from the [COLOR=#ff1919]daughters[/COLOR] of Canaan.
Gen 27:46 And Rebekah said to Isaac... if Jacob [COLOR=#ff1919]take a wife [/COLOR]of the daughters of Heth, ... what good shall my life do me?
Gen 24:4 But thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and take a wife. Verse 5 - says that Abraham said that Isaac [COLOR=#ff1919]could not find a wife[/COLOR] among his family - he is not even to come back home to Canaan.
Jdg 14:3 The father and mother asked Samson - Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or my people, [COLOR=#ff1919]that thou goest to take a wife[/COLOR] of the uncircumcised Philistines?
Jer_16:2 T[COLOR=#ff1919]hou shalt not take[/COLOR] thee a wife, [COLOR=#ff1919]neither shalt thou have sons or daughters[/COLOR] in this place.
Gen 24:7 The LORD God of heaven, which took me from my father's house, and from the land of my kindred, and which spake unto me, and that sware unto me, saying, Unto thy seed will I give this land; he shall send his angel before thee, and thou shalt [COLOR=#ff1919]take a wife unto my son from thence[/COLOR].
Ezr 2:61 Certain priests took a wife [COLOR=#ff1919]of the daughters[/COLOR] of the Gileadites :62 and they were, as polluted, and put out from the priesthood.
Deu 7:1 The LORD said “ I shall bring thee into the land of the Hittites, Girga****es , Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and the Jebusites, :3 You [COLOR=#ff0000]shall not make marriages[/COLOR] with them; [COLOR=#ff0000]thy daughter [/COLOR]thou shalt not give [COLOR=#ff0000]unto his son[/COLOR], nor his daughter[COLOR=#ff0000] shalt thou take unto thy son[/COLOR].
Exo 34:16 [COLOR=#ff1919]Do not take daughters[/COLOR] unto thy sons - with the inhabitants of the land
Ezr 10:2 We have trespassed against our God, and have taken [COLOR=#ff1919]strange wives[/COLOR] of the people of the land :3 Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to [COLOR=#ff1919]put away all the wives[/COLOR], and such as are born of them.
Mal 2:11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, an abomination is committed in Israel and Jerusalem; by [COLOR=#ff1919]marrying the daughter[/COLOR] of a strange god. 12 The LORD will cut off the man that doeth.

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]This is why The “ Sons OF God “ were destroyed in the flood, and Noah who waited 500 years just find a godly wife – this was so important to God[/COLOR].

IT simply says ( there were giants in the earth in these days. At this time - frame.....) In the days when the Sons of God just previously listed in a long list of a separate, exclusive genealogy had -- began to disobey God and intermarrying with the daughters outside of their genealogy line. – The daughters of man. -were meaning – women, not their own ancestral – incest related “ family line “ from Seth.

The Bible shows that there was a huge generation gap that existed between Adam’ s daughters and Seth’ s Grand Sons - and the generation gap existed from both ends of the male and female sexes... it was also the MALE SEED of Seth that was also additionally much, much older in age as well – compared to the Daughters that Adam had much later on in His life. - Adam again had sons and daughters here later in life - in Gen 5:4 that clearly tells us. ( whenever - He was [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]800[/COLOR] years old. As these future additional daughters of Adam mentioned here in Gen 5:4 - were not born until after -[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] 800 [/COLOR]Years after [COLOR=#003af2]Seth[/COLOR] had been born. - Adam was only 130 years old when Seth was born, the Manuscripts explain[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] that the generational gap with Set[/COLOR]h - was that - all of the Grandsons of Seth would have [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]very limited choice of Godly women [/COLOR]to marry because any additional DAUGHTERS of ADAM to marry - simply did not exist yet, as Seth’s following Grandsons in the lineage would have to wait for 800 years after the birth of Seth to even see any additional daughters whatsoever to be again - even born from Adam – because [COLOR=#ff0000]Adam did not produce [/COLOR]any additional daughter[COLOR=#ff0000]s until 800 Years after Seth had been born. [/COLOR] Yet the sons of Cain were producing daughters. Adam had to wait for the right woman.

AND - Seth Himself, - He - did not [COLOR=#003af2]again [/COLOR] produce any [COLOR=#ff1919]MORE[/COLOR] children - u[COLOR=#ff1919]ntil 807 years after His own first so[/COLOR]n [COLOR=#003af2]Enos[/COLOR] was born. – However, because of the generational age gap difference, each and every single son - of the line of Seth would have to - and did wait - Which explains the [COLOR=#ff0000]500 to 800 [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]years of generational gaps[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] between children [/COLOR]being produced [COLOR=#003af2]from the seed[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] of Seth. [/COLOR]The waiting time - seemed to decrease and then increase { Fluctuate / shift } back and forth a bit in the number of years as the years went on – just for the first wife that each progressing son marries.

Gen_5:6 And [COLOR=#003af2]Seth[/COLOR] lived an hundred and five years, and begat [COLOR=#003af2]Enos:[/COLOR] :7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: - There is a huge gap between the times that he has produced children.
- [COLOR=#003af2]Cainan[/COLOR] waited for 70 years to have a son named [COLOR=#003af2]Mahalaleel[/COLOR]. - Mahalaleel Waited 65 years to have Jared . - [COLOR=#003af2]Mahalaleel[/COLOR] literally [COLOR=#ff1919]again waited again for another 830 more years[/COLOR] to have more un – named sons and daughters. - And [COLOR=#003af2]Jared[/COLOR] Waited 162 years to have Enoch. - [COLOR=#003af2]Jared[/COLOR] literally [COLOR=#ff1919]waited again for another 800 more years [/COLOR]to have more un – named sons and daughters. - [COLOR=#003af2]Enoch [/COLOR]waited 65 years to have a son named Methuselah. And[COLOR=#003af2] Enoch[/COLOR] waited a[COLOR=#ff1919]gain for 300 years[/COLOR] to have more un – named sons and daughters. And [COLOR=#003af2]Methuselah [/COLOR]waited 187 years to have a son named [COLOR=#003af2]Lamech[/COLOR]. - And [COLOR=#003af2]Methuselah[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff1919]waited again for 782 more years[/COLOR] to have more un – named sons and daughters. - And Lamech waited for 182 years to have a son named Noah. - And [COLOR=#ff1919]Lamech waited for 592 more years[/COLOR] to have un – named sons and daughters. - And [COLOR=#003af2]Noah[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff1919] was 500 years old[/COLOR] when He had Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]This is the picture we see showing a major generational gap and 500 to 800 of years[/COLOR] of [COLOR=#003af2]waiting periods[/COLOR] between the Seed of Seth and [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]other women[/COLOR] - in producing more children. - The Sons of Seth’s line that are recorded by name were actually waiting through [COLOR=#003af2]500 to 800 years of generational gaps[/COLOR] that combined with waiting for the women who were willing to marry them and accept that they served the Lord. And waiting for the right Godly wife or wives.. Obviously, it was not an easy task. The seed of Cain simply were wicked and their lifestyle was very attractive to even many of the seed of Seth.

We find also, that Cain already had three Grand Sons ( THREE GENERATIONS HAD PASSED - before Seth was even born, as the seed of CAIN had a plenty amount of born females to choose from.

We see that the Bible [COLOR=#7030a0]never[/COLOR] labels “ a single angel “ - as a son of God. – it is always and ONLY - the Humans who are sons and daughters of God. And giants were simply mentioned in the context of stating { THERE WERE GIANTS IN THE LAND } at this coincidental time ... Nowhere does any scripture say that the " Giants " were the offspring of any particular [COLOR=#ff1919]union[/COLOR]. There were giants in many other cultures and giant - tall people still exist today.

Giants and tall people are created by a mutant gene in their DNA - just because someone has a mutated and irregular DNA, it does not mean that they are going to grow to be giants. IF the DNA of Giants were introduced into the Human DNA by fallen angels and then the Angels were sent to hell. How are there still giants today being born. Has this DNA been passed down for thousands of generations and just randomly pops up in a nonrandom erratic way. If Giants and tallness were caused by fallen angels - what causes pygmies and dwarfs and very short people to be produced. Obviously, it is caused by mutated genes.

It is estimated that there are between 250,000 and 600,000 Pygmie people living in the Congo rainforest. . Scientists explain that they believe that the short stature of pygmies in studies is suggesting a relation to a genetic adaptation to low ultraviolet light levels in rainforests. Where very little vitamin D can be made in human skin, thereby limiting calcium uptake from the diet for bone growth and maintenance, and leading to the evolution of the small skeletal size.

Also lack of food in the rainforest environment, low calcium levels in the soil, the need to move through dense jungle, adaptation to heat and humidity, and as an association with rapid reproductive maturation under conditions of early mortality. Also, there are low serum levels of insulin-like growth factor-1 producing a short stature - and these Pygmies do not practice agriculture Peoples environment and diet and the mating choices are what determine how tall they are. The 90 + verses of the Bible all refer to [COLOR=#ff1919]HUMANS ALONE[/COLOR], as the s[COLOR=#ff1919]ons and daughters of God.[/COLOR] Angels are never mentioned as such.. this is all speculation and inference and extrapolations that are made on the texts - just because Giants were in the earth when the Sons of God began to marry the sons of men and the Bible makes mention that Giants existed the earth at this exact time... they suddenly conclude that the Giants were some sort of product of spiritual beings. When the Bible explains in every single last detail that SONS OF GOD are humans. If they were angels - there would be [COLOR=#ff1919]at least one single verse [/COLOR]that refers to an angel as a son of God. But no such a verse exists anywhere in the Gospels or the Torah.

Does not - the Bible deny the idea that Angels are sons of God

Heb_1:5 * For unto [COLOR=#ff1919]which of the angels[/COLOR] said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
It is all imagination and fantasy theory. Not supported by a single verse in the entire Bible - And contradiction to the Bible storyline and Contradiction to Yahoshua’s own words in Heb_1:5 ... - Is Yahoshua lying ?>
For unto [COLOR=#ff1919]which of the angels[/COLOR] said he at any time, ......... I will be to ( ANGELS ) a Father, and ( ANGELS ) shall be to me a Son ? - never in the manuscripts.
I find your disbelief of the Word and your attempts to spread junk teachings offensive...Get in line with the Word or keep quiet. Please!
 
The sons of God were right here on earth, not in heaven. You remember in Job, when there was a time when all, how many, when ALL THE SONS OF GOD came before the LORD to present themselves and Satan come amongst them also from walking to and fro in the earth. The sons of God we’re here on earth pre-Adam or Genesis. At this time all the sons of God we’re in the finer bodies/spiritual bodies while here on earth. But when Satan rebelled and that one third of the sons of God sided with God to defeat Satan’s attempted take over, God removed all the sons of God from the earth and set up the plan of salvation.

God always, and I mean always rewards His children for obedience and valor. Do you not believe that God rewarded the one third of the sons of God that sided with Him during Satan rebellion. God most certainly did, that one third that followed God during Satan rebellion overcame at that point and are now referred to as the Elect. The souls/spirits of this one third have been elevated to the status of deathlessness. Surely you don’t think that God destroyed that one third of the sons of God after that sided with God to defeat Satan’s attempted take over. That one third didn’t just disappear not to be heard from anymore. No, that one third is known as the Elect. And Gid did reward them by elevating their souls/spirits to the status of deathlessness and will live with God upon this earth for eternity.

There will be more of God children overcome out of the flesh in this world age and their souls/spirits will be elevated to the status of deathlessness, just like the one third that sided with God during Satan’s rebellion. There will be more of Gods children that will overcome during the millennium and their souls/spirits will be elevated to the status of deathlessness and those that don’t overcome during the millennium will go into the pit and be blotted out to the point that not even their remembrance will survive.
 
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Hello there “ B-A-C “ I used to have the same question about these verses.

Many Trinitarian organizations and others as well are making claims that the “ Sons Of God “ in the Bible were Angels. – But I began to look to God’s word - in light of what the [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]actual original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts are actually saying[/COLOR]. I began to see exactly what the rest of the Bible says about this topic. _ _ Concerning the Sons of God.

I found that the Bible never, ever anywhere defines or suggests that any Angels are the Sons Of God in any place, nor at any time or situation or circumstance in the Bible. [COLOR=#5f6060]- But the idea, concept and very suggestion that an Angel is “ A Son Of God “ - this idea, message and notion, and belief - is not found – in a single place in the entire Bible. - The idea was emphasized, invented and asserted upon as an imaginary theory..[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#5f6060]This idea began in the Book of Enoch and was later inserted into the Roman Catholic Church by Trinitarian Fathers about 150 – 300 years after Christ.[/COLOR]

We only find that human beings are called The sons of God. And the Bible clarifies that Angels are never called as “ A Son OF God “ Yawhea denied and asked us to recall that he has never, ever stated to any Angel at any time anywhere that _ an angel - is my Son, this day have I begotten thee. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Nor has he stated that He will be to “ ( an Angel ) “ as a Father, and never has ( an Angel ) been said to be to me a Son. - A son of God.. This has never happened as it clearly says in the New Testament - in Heb 1:5[/COLOR]

Also, there is not even a mentioning of a single Angel anywhere in the first 16 chapters of the Bible – not until 10 whole, entire chapters later - after the giants of Gen 6 - About 400 - 500 years after this event - in Gen_16:7 ....
The first Angel ever mentioned is first mentioned - Appearing to Hagar.


In - [COLOR=#ec008c]Jude 1:6-7[/COLOR] [COLOR=#5f6060] The Bible - Mentions angels - who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ec008c] :7[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060]; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The author tells and explains the similarity that the Evil Angels and the Sodomite cites have in common. Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them were so evil and sexually immoral that they will be just like the ANGELS - who are both - exhibited as an example - in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The Angels mentioned in Jude 1:6 - they are not said to be SEXUALLY IMMORAL - but they are going to be sent to hell because they attacked Gods Angels in heaven. They are mentioned in the same situation with the Sodomite people because of the fact that they also as humans are going to receive - the punishment of eternal fire.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#5f6060]The Bible never says that Angels had committed sexual immorality – but that they had made war with God and attacked[/COLOR] - Michael and his angels.
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.[/COLOR]

Also many people pretend that when the “ Sons Of God “ were [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)]Presenting[/COLOR] themselves before the Lord The idea of humans ( The Sons Of God ) - are not also - presenting themselves before the Lord, this is not a seclusive concept or idea that is only applied solely to the Sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

HUMANS - STANDING OR PRESENTING THEMSELVES - before The Lord, [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]has not a single thing to do with literally floating up to heaven and literally standing before the Lord in heaven[/COLOR].
The word { [COLOR=#ff0000]PRESENT[/COLOR] } is the Hebrew word _ Yâtsab - [COLOR=#269a26]H3320[/COLOR] - יָ צַ ב - [COLOR=#ff0000]yâtsab[/COLOR] - yaw-tsab' -
Meaning = To place (any thing, so as to stay); To STAND, To station, To OFFER, To continue: - To present selves, To stand fast / forth, Standing, still, { Stand up ). - - This Same exact Hebrew word is used " 48 " TOTAL times in the Old Testament - in the same exact way, ALWAYS - with the same EXACT meaning -


And of these " 48 " total times it always - [COLOR=#0000ff]EVERY SINGLE LAST TIME - [/COLOR]Means[COLOR=#ffc000] {[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] TO STAND[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffc000])[/COLOR] and " 9 " times total we find where the Trinitarian Translated it as the word " PRESENTED " - As we here that[COLOR=#0000ff] many, many " OTHER SERVANTS OF GOD " are PRESENTING THEMSELVES[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] BEFORE THE LORD[/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff] -- [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]while here on earth[/COLOR]

As we see here the Humans here on earth are Presenting themselves before the Lord - but only here on earth,
1Sa 10:19 Now ( israel ) - therefore { [COLOR=#0000ff] Present[/COLOR] = Yâtsab - H3320 }- yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands.


Jos 24:1 And Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem.... and they { [COLOR=#0000ff]presented [/COLOR]= Yâtsab - H3320 }- themselves before God.

Job 1:6 The sons of God came { [COLOR=#0000ff]presenting[/COLOR] = Yâtsab - H3320 } themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. - - Job 2:1 The sons of God came and presented themselves before the LORD.

We see other applications of how this same exact word is used here in –
Jer 46:14 Declare ye in Egypt, and publish it - say you ( [COLOR=#003af2]Present / Stand [/COLOR]- H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâtsab ) and prepare for the sword shall devour round about you.


2Ch 20:6 O LORD - in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to - ( [COLOR=#003af2]Present / Stand[/COLOR] - H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâ tsab ) to you ?
1Sa 12:7 Now, therefore ( [COLOR=#003af2]Present / Stand[/COLOR] - H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâtsab ) that I may reason with you before the LORD
Exo 14:13 And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, ( [COLOR=#003af2]Present / Stand[/COLOR] - H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâtsab ) and see the salvation of the LORD.


Already we see three verses where humans on earth are - ( [COLOR=#003af2]Presenting / Standing[/COLOR] - H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב - yâtsab ) - before the Lord. This is the same exact Hebrew word. The same exact word.

This Hebrew word - ( Yâtsab- H3320 - י ָ צ ַ ב ) Means = { [COLOR=#0000ff]TO STAND [/COLOR][COLOR=#ffc000]/[/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff] PRESENT [/COLOR]) - and it is not always a literal meaning - as to literally be standing in a physical sense. IT ALSO MEANS TO MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY STAND. The Bible uses this word as a mental or spiritual application - as to say - [COLOR=#ff0000]STAND STRONG - OR STAND STILL [/COLOR] and hear or sense or serve God. - and this is mostly how this word is used in most of the Bible.
HUMANS - STANDING OR PRESENTING THEMSELVES - before The Lord, [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]has not a single thing to do with literally floating up to heaven and literally standing before the Lord in heaven.[/COLOR]

Humans are doing this on earth - in the Bible- The Servants / Sons Of God - ( THE JEWS ) Moses, Prophets, Priests and all of Israel are [COLOR=#0000ff]PRESENTING[/COLOR] THEMSELVES BEFORE THE LORD. - on earth. -

There is yet - another Hebrew word that also means to " [COLOR=#0000ff]presenting[/COLOR] " or to " PRESENT " yourself. - And this Hebrew word means exactly the same exact thing - but is a different word. -

[COLOR=#269a26]H5975[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#ff0000]עָ מ ד[/COLOR] - ‛âmad -aw-mad' - Meaning = ( TO BE [COLOR=#003af2]PRESENT[/COLOR] . ) To stand / continue / endure, To raise up, To set (forth, To stand by, To stand fast, firm. - This word has this same exact meaning and also used in the Trinitarian Translation as also the word - Meaning = ( PRESENT / PRESENTED ) - As we see in these verses -

Lev 9:5 And they brought the sacrifice and all the congregation drew near and { [COLOR=#0000ff]Presented[/COLOR] / stood it - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD.
Lev 14:11 The priest shall { [COLOR=#0000ff]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } the man and these things before the LORD, at the door of the tabernacle....
Lev 16:7 The two goats, shall be { [COLOR=#0000ff]Presented[/COLOR] / stood - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Num 5:16 And the priest shall bring her near, and { [COLOR=#0000ff]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛a ̂mad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } her before the LORD:
Deu 4:10 You Israel were { [COLOR=#0000ff]Present[/COLOR] / standing - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD thy God in Horeb
Lev 14:11 And the priest shall { [COLOR=#0000ff]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } the man that is to be made clean.
Lev 16:7 And he shall take the two goats, and { Present / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } them before the LORD.
Lev 27:8 But if he be poorer than thy estimation, then he shall { Present / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } himself before the priest.
Num 3:6 Bring the tribe of Levi near, and { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } them before Aaron the priest,
Deu 5:5 I ( Moses ) { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stood - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } between the LORD and You.
Deu 10:8 The tribe of Levi carried the ark, to { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD.
Deu 18:7 The Levites - { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } there before the LORD.
Deu 19:17 Men in controversy ... shall { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD, before the priests and the judges.

Deu 29:10 Captains of tribes, elders and officers and all men of Israel - { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD your God.

1Sa 6:20 Who is able to { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before this holy LORD God? - ( in war )1Ki 18:15 Elijah said - I am { [COLOR=#0000ff]Presented [/COLOR]/ stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the Lord.
1Ki 19:11 Go forth, and am { [COLOR=#0000ff]Presented[/COLOR] / standing - ‛a ̂mad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the LORD, breaking in pieces the rocks before the LORD.

2Ki 5:16 Naman the prophet said - I am { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / standing - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before the Lord.
Ezr 9:15 Because of our trespasses: we cannot { [COLOR=#003af2]Present[/COLOR] / stand - ‛âmad - H5975 - ע ָ מ ַ ד } before The Lord.

No human or angel is seen floating or flying back up to heaven when they are presenting THEMSELVES before the Lord.
[COLOR=#4a442a]As it says in - Joh 3:13[/COLOR] [COLOR=#bf3030]And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]even[/COLOR] [COLOR=#bf3030]the Son of man which is in heaven.[/COLOR]
If the “ SONS OF GOD “ have taken on “ a human form “ and have become humans - and are now human beings with sexual reproductive organs and have had sexual intercourse with woman in [COLOR=#802020]Gen 6. - [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(85, 57, 130)]AS humans[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] / man - how can they - man -[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] present themselves before the Lord.[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - by literally [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]going[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] up into heaven [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]? [/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] -[/COLOR]

The Bible says that - And [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]no man[/COLOR] hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven.
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]And the very reason that God decided to flood and destroy the earth – was because[/COLOR] – God stated - that the “ HUMANS “ in Gen 6:5 - that the wickedness of [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]man[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]was[/COLOR] great in the earth
in Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of [COLOR=#ff0000]man[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]was[/COLOR] great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. :7 And the LORD said, I will destroy [COLOR=#ff0000]man[/COLOR] whom I have created from the face of the earth; both [COLOR=#ff0000]man[/COLOR], and [COLOR=#ff0000]beast[/COLOR], and the [COLOR=#ff0000]creeping thing[/COLOR], and the [COLOR=#ff0000]fowls[/COLOR] of the air.

Here - God does not Destroy the earth because of - sins of Fallen Angels - Angels are never even mentioned anywhere in the beginning until an angel appears to Hagar, Abraham and Sarah.
It was HUMANS - “ MANKIND “ who were destroyed because of the fact that - the wickedness of [COLOR=#ff0000]man[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]was[/COLOR] great in the earth, and that [COLOR=#ff0000]every imagination[/COLOR] of the thoughts of [COLOR=#ff0000]their[/COLOR] heart was only evil continually. The subject is about the Sons Of God during the time of Noah – who had abandoned and refused to continue to serve God, as they began to corrupt their seed with the evil daughters of mankind. Thy discarded God and did not even listen to Noah. – Noa and His family were the only ones who were following God’s plan of marriage - As Noah did not have sons until he was 500 years old.
Yahoshua explains this description here in - Luk 17:26 And as it was [COLOR=#ff0000]in the days[/COLOR] of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]They[/COLOR] did eat, they drank, [COLOR=#ff0000]they married wives[/COLOR], they [COLOR=#ff0000]were given in marriage[/COLOR], until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and [COLOR=#ff0000]destroyed them all. [/COLOR]
And - Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have [COLOR=#ff0000]suffered his house[/COLOR] to be [COLOR=#ff0000]broken[/COLOR] up.
Also - Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the[COLOR=#ff0000] generations[/COLOR] of Noah: Noah was a just man and [COLOR=#ff0000]perfect in his generations[/COLOR], and Noah walked with God.
Noah found grace in the eyes of God - BECAUSE - Noah was a just man and [COLOR=#ff0000]perfect in his generations[/COLOR],
Gen 8:21 And the LORD ----- said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. AGAIN - the destruction of the old world was because [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]MAN[/COLOR] was evil. Never Angels.

[COLOR=#802020]Gen 9:8[/COLOR] And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, [COLOR=#208080] :9[/COLOR] And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] with your seed [/COLOR]after you;

And God continues to record the [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Generations [/COLOR]of Noah – down to Yahoshua - it is a list of [COLOR=rgb(40, 50, 78)]The Sons of God [/COLOR] among Noah – who served God. And God again records and divides the list of generations of split seed of Noah - recording the writing the very seed that are serving God, [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]as God – distinguishes the evil seed to be born after Noah, and the good seed - who are again called the “ SONS OF GOD “[/COLOR] as we see them through “ Shem “ being called the sons of God throughout the Old Testament.

[COLOR=#802020]Gen 10:21[/COLOR] Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Heber, “ HEBREWS “ [COLOR=#208080]:22[/COLOR] Shem – 400 years - to Abraham.
After Abraham the first angel is mentioned.

The Bible Fully Continually Commands - that the [COLOR=#ff1919]Servants[/COLOR][COLOR=#003af2] [/COLOR]and “ SONS and DAUGHTERS of God “ [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]are not to be intermarrying with other men and women who are not following God.[/COLOR] – Who are not called Sons and Daughters Of God.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not [COLOR=#003af2]unequally [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]yoked together[/COLOR][COLOR=#003af2] with unbelievers[/COLOR]: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
:18 [COLOR=#ff1919]I will be a Father unto you, [/COLOR]and[COLOR=#ff1919] ye shall be my sons and daughters, [/COLOR]saith the Lord Almighty.

Gen 24:3 And I will make thee swear by the LORD, God of heaven, and earth, that thou shalt [COLOR=#ff1919]not take a wife[/COLOR] unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:
Gen_24:37 My master made me swear, saying, Thou shalt [COLOR=#ff1919]not take a wife[/COLOR] to my son of the [COLOR=#ff1919]daughters [/COLOR]of the Canaanites, in whose land I dwell:
1Ki 11:1 But king Solomon loved [COLOR=#ff1919]many strange[/COLOR] women, ...... Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; :2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye [COLOR=#ff1919]shall not go in to them[/COLOR], neither shall [COLOR=#ff1919]they come in[/COLOR] unto you.
Neh 13:23 Certain Jews had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab: :25 And I.....made them swear by God, saying, Ye [COLOR=#ff1919]shall not give your daughters[/COLOR] unto their sons, nor take [COLOR=#ff1919]their daughters[/COLOR] unto your sons, or for yourselves.
Neh 13:26 Solomon king of Israel sinned by - transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?
Gen26:34, 35  When Eʹsau[COLOR=#ff1919] two wifes[/COLOR] of the Hitʹtite 35 They were a source of [COLOR=#ff1919]great grief[/COLOR] to Isaac and Re• bekʹah.
Gen 28:6 Jacob commanded Esau [COLOR=#ff1919]to not take him a wife[/COLOR] from the [COLOR=#ff1919]daughters[/COLOR] of Canaan.
Gen 27:46 And Rebekah said to Isaac... if Jacob [COLOR=#ff1919]take a wife [/COLOR]of the daughters of Heth, ... what good shall my life do me?
Gen 24:4 But thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and take a wife. Verse 5 - says that Abraham said that Isaac [COLOR=#ff1919]could not find a wife[/COLOR] among his family - he is not even to come back home to Canaan.
Jdg 14:3 The father and mother asked Samson - Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or my people, [COLOR=#ff1919]that thou goest to take a wife[/COLOR] of the uncircumcised Philistines?
Jer_16:2 T[COLOR=#ff1919]hou shalt not take[/COLOR] thee a wife, [COLOR=#ff1919]neither shalt thou have sons or daughters[/COLOR] in this place.
Gen 24:7 The LORD God of heaven, which took me from my father's house, and from the land of my kindred, and which spake unto me, and that sware unto me, saying, Unto thy seed will I give this land; he shall send his angel before thee, and thou shalt [COLOR=#ff1919]take a wife unto my son from thence[/COLOR].
Ezr 2:61 Certain priests took a wife [COLOR=#ff1919]of the daughters[/COLOR] of the Gileadites :62 and they were, as polluted, and put out from the priesthood.
Deu 7:1 The LORD said “ I shall bring thee into the land of the Hittites, Girga****es , Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and the Jebusites, :3 You [COLOR=#ff0000]shall not make marriages[/COLOR] with them; [COLOR=#ff0000]thy daughter [/COLOR]thou shalt not give [COLOR=#ff0000]unto his son[/COLOR], nor his daughter[COLOR=#ff0000] shalt thou take unto thy son[/COLOR].
Exo 34:16 [COLOR=#ff1919]Do not take daughters[/COLOR] unto thy sons - with the inhabitants of the land
Ezr 10:2 We have trespassed against our God, and have taken [COLOR=#ff1919]strange wives[/COLOR] of the people of the land :3 Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to [COLOR=#ff1919]put away all the wives[/COLOR], and such as are born of them.
Mal 2:11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, an abomination is committed in Israel and Jerusalem; by [COLOR=#ff1919]marrying the daughter[/COLOR] of a strange god. 12 The LORD will cut off the man that doeth.

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]This is why The “ Sons OF God “ were destroyed in the flood, and Noah who waited 500 years just find a godly wife – this was so important to God[/COLOR].

IT simply says ( there were giants in the earth in these days. At this time - frame.....) In the days when the Sons of God just previously listed in a long list of a separate, exclusive genealogy had -- began to disobey God and intermarrying with the daughters outside of their genealogy line. – The daughters of man. -were meaning – women, not their own ancestral – incest related “ family line “ from Seth.

The Bible shows that there was a huge generation gap that existed between Adam’ s daughters and Seth’ s Grand Sons - and the generation gap existed from both ends of the male and female sexes... it was also the MALE SEED of Seth that was also additionally much, much older in age as well – compared to the Daughters that Adam had much later on in His life. - Adam again had sons and daughters here later in life - in Gen 5:4 that clearly tells us. ( whenever - He was [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]800[/COLOR] years old. As these future additional daughters of Adam mentioned here in Gen 5:4 - were not born until after -[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] 800 [/COLOR]Years after [COLOR=#003af2]Seth[/COLOR] had been born. - Adam was only 130 years old when Seth was born, the Manuscripts explain[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] that the generational gap with Set[/COLOR]h - was that - all of the Grandsons of Seth would have [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]very limited choice of Godly women [/COLOR]to marry because any additional DAUGHTERS of ADAM to marry - simply did not exist yet, as Seth’s following Grandsons in the lineage would have to wait for 800 years after the birth of Seth to even see any additional daughters whatsoever to be again - even born from Adam – because [COLOR=#ff0000]Adam did not produce [/COLOR]any additional daughter[COLOR=#ff0000]s until 800 Years after Seth had been born. [/COLOR] Yet the sons of Cain were producing daughters. Adam had to wait for the right woman.

AND - Seth Himself, - He - did not [COLOR=#003af2]again [/COLOR] produce any [COLOR=#ff1919]MORE[/COLOR] children - u[COLOR=#ff1919]ntil 807 years after His own first so[/COLOR]n [COLOR=#003af2]Enos[/COLOR] was born. – However, because of the generational age gap difference, each and every single son - of the line of Seth would have to - and did wait - Which explains the [COLOR=#ff0000]500 to 800 [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]years of generational gaps[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] between children [/COLOR]being produced [COLOR=#003af2]from the seed[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] of Seth. [/COLOR]The waiting time - seemed to decrease and then increase { Fluctuate / shift } back and forth a bit in the number of years as the years went on – just for the first wife that each progressing son marries.

Gen_5:6 And [COLOR=#003af2]Seth[/COLOR] lived an hundred and five years, and begat [COLOR=#003af2]Enos:[/COLOR] :7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]eight hundred and seven years, and - { again } Seth - begat sons and daughters:[/COLOR] - There is a huge gap between the times that he has produced children.
- [COLOR=#003af2]Cainan[/COLOR] waited for 70 years to have a son named [COLOR=#003af2]Mahalaleel[/COLOR]. - Mahalaleel Waited 65 years to have Jared . - [COLOR=#003af2]Mahalaleel[/COLOR] literally [COLOR=#ff1919]again waited again for another 830 more years[/COLOR] to have more un – named sons and daughters. - And [COLOR=#003af2]Jared[/COLOR] Waited 162 years to have Enoch. - [COLOR=#003af2]Jared[/COLOR] literally [COLOR=#ff1919]waited again for another 800 more years [/COLOR]to have more un – named sons and daughters. - [COLOR=#003af2]Enoch [/COLOR]waited 65 years to have a son named Methuselah. And[COLOR=#003af2] Enoch[/COLOR] waited a[COLOR=#ff1919]gain for 300 years[/COLOR] to have more un – named sons and daughters. And [COLOR=#003af2]Methuselah [/COLOR]waited 187 years to have a son named [COLOR=#003af2]Lamech[/COLOR]. - And [COLOR=#003af2]Methuselah[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff1919]waited again for 782 more years[/COLOR] to have more un – named sons and daughters. - And Lamech waited for 182 years to have a son named Noah. - And [COLOR=#ff1919]Lamech waited for 592 more years[/COLOR] to have un – named sons and daughters. - And [COLOR=#003af2]Noah[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff1919] was 500 years old[/COLOR] when He had Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]This is the picture we see showing a major generational gap and 500 to 800 of years[/COLOR] of [COLOR=#003af2]waiting periods[/COLOR] between the Seed of Seth and [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]other women[/COLOR] - in producing more children. - The Sons of Seth’s line that are recorded by name were actually waiting through [COLOR=#003af2]500 to 800 years of generational gaps[/COLOR] that combined with waiting for the women who were willing to marry them and accept that they served the Lord. And waiting for the right Godly wife or wives.. Obviously, it was not an easy task. The seed of Cain simply were wicked and their lifestyle was very attractive to even many of the seed of Seth.

We find also, that Cain already had three Grand Sons ( THREE GENERATIONS HAD PASSED - before Seth was even born, as the seed of CAIN had a plenty amount of born females to choose from.

We see that the Bible [COLOR=#7030a0]never[/COLOR] labels “ a single angel “ - as a son of God. – it is always and ONLY - the Humans who are sons and daughters of God. And giants were simply mentioned in the context of stating { THERE WERE GIANTS IN THE LAND } at this coincidental time ... Nowhere does any scripture say that the " Giants " were the offspring of any particular [COLOR=#ff1919]union[/COLOR]. There were giants in many other cultures and giant - tall people still exist today.

Giants and tall people are created by a mutant gene in their DNA - just because someone has a mutated and irregular DNA, it does not mean that they are going to grow to be giants. IF the DNA of Giants were introduced into the Human DNA by fallen angels and then the Angels were sent to hell. How are there still giants today being born. Has this DNA been passed down for thousands of generations and just randomly pops up in a nonrandom erratic way. If Giants and tallness were caused by fallen angels - what causes pygmies and dwarfs and very short people to be produced. Obviously, it is caused by mutated genes.

It is estimated that there are between 250,000 and 600,000 Pygmie people living in the Congo rainforest. . Scientists explain that they believe that the short stature of pygmies in studies is suggesting a relation to a genetic adaptation to low ultraviolet light levels in rainforests. Where very little vitamin D can be made in human skin, thereby limiting calcium uptake from the diet for bone growth and maintenance, and leading to the evolution of the small skeletal size.

Also lack of food in the rainforest environment, low calcium levels in the soil, the need to move through dense jungle, adaptation to heat and humidity, and as an association with rapid reproductive maturation under conditions of early mortality. Also, there are low serum levels of insulin-like growth factor-1 producing a short stature - and these Pygmies do not practice agriculture Peoples environment and diet and the mating choices are what determine how tall they are. The 90 + verses of the Bible all refer to [COLOR=#ff1919]HUMANS ALONE[/COLOR], as the s[COLOR=#ff1919]ons and daughters of God.[/COLOR] Angels are never mentioned as such.. this is all speculation and inference and extrapolations that are made on the texts - just because Giants were in the earth when the Sons of God began to marry the daughters of men and the Bible makes mention that Giants existed the earth at this exact time... they suddenly conclude that the Giants were some sort of product of spiritual beings. When the Bible explains in every single last detail that SONS OF GOD are humans. If they were angels - there would be [COLOR=#ff1919]at least one single verse [/COLOR]that refers to an angel as a son of God. But no such a verse exists anywhere in the Gospels or the Torah.

Does not - the Bible deny the idea that Angels are sons of God

Heb_1:5 * For unto [COLOR=#ff1919]which of the angels[/COLOR] said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
It is all imagination and fantasy theory. Not supported by a single verse in the entire Bible - And contradiction to the Bible storyline and Contradiction to Yahoshua’s own words in Heb_1:5 ... - Is Yahoshua lying ?>
For unto [COLOR=#ff1919]which of the angels[/COLOR] said he at any time, ......... I will be to ( ANGELS ) a Father, and ( ANGELS ) shall be to me a Son ? - never in the manuscripts.
Well sir...At least you're digging into the Word...Even if you are only using it to prove your opinion...I pray that God will teach you rightly, and that you will listen to His teachings...Instead of the words of a confused but God loving man.
 
Angels are just God’s messengers. They are just one of Gods children in the spiritual body. A flesh being upon die in the flesh goes back into a spiritual body and is basically an angel at that time. Bendito Dr Bullinget was far from a confused man. This man of God spent his entire life in Gods word. Dr Bullinger was able to read the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts from which our King James Bible was translated from. So he was able to read right from Gods manuscript. Big difference in reading the true word other than reading mans translation of Gods word.

Can’t believe you are not able to see the first world age. Just like you haven’t figured out that Jeremiah was with God before God put him in his mother’s womb. Jere 1:5. God said before He formed Jeremiah he knew him and before Jeremiah came forth out of the womb God sanctified him a prophet unto the nations. Jeremiah had to be with God, before God tomform him. That’s not that hard to understand bendito. If that’s not pre-exiting before the flesh body I don’t know what is my friend. Don’t understand how one uses God word to prove their own opinion. Gods word only proves what God says and what He wants His children to know.

One should never use any Bible other than the King James Bible. They other Bibles will lead one astray. A translation off of a translation is not good. Lots of people use the other bibles and the way they read sticks out like a sore thumb. I notice it right off when one quotes out of the other Bibles.
 
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Angels are just God’s messengers. They are just one of Gods children in the spiritual body. A flesh being upon die in the flesh goes back into a spiritual body and is basically an angel at that time. Bendito Dr Bullinget was far from a confused man. This man of God spent his entire life in Gods word. Dr Bullinger was able to read the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts from which our King James Bible was translated from. So he was able to read right from Gods manuscript. Big difference in reading the true word other than reading mans translation of Gods word.

Can’t believe you are not able to see the first world age. Just like you haven’t figured out that Jeremiah was with God before God put him in his mother’s womb. Jere 1:5. God said before He formed Jeremiah he knew him and before Jeremiah came forth out of the womb God sanctified him a prophet unto the nations. Jeremiah had to be with God, before God tomform him. That’s not that hard to understand bendito. If that’s not pre-exiting before the flesh body I don’t know what is my friend. Don’t understand how one uses God word to prove their own opinion. Gods word only proves what God says and what He wants His children to know.

One should never use any Bible other than the King James Bible. They other Bibles will lead one astray. A translation off of a translation is not good. Lots of people use the other bibles and the way they read sticks out like a sore thumb. I notice it right off when one quotes out of the other Bibles.
Mr Bullinger was a very sincere man. No doubt...Some of his belief however colored his conclusions...He was an ultra-dispensationalist as an example...I admit I don't know much about that brand of dispensationalism but I do know enough to say it was scripturally inaccurate. I also know that when a line is off point a little bit in a short distance, it is off a lot in the long run. Mr Bullinger WAS sincere, but sincerely wrong.
 
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I understand what each one here is saying and it is all very interesting. I understand what is being claimed - but I honestly simply am not finding any manuscripts for these claims or faiths.

In - [COLOR=#00b050]Job[/COLOR] 38: 4-7 ... _ of the Greek Septuagint - it says - [COLOR=#ffff00]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]4[/COLOR] Where wast thou when I founded the earth? tell me now, if thou hast knowledge. [COLOR=#ffff00]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]5[/COLOR] who set the measures of it, if thou knowest? or who stretched a line upon it? [COLOR=#ffff00]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]6[/COLOR] On what are its rings fastened? and who is he that laid the corner-stone upon it? - [COLOR=#ffff00]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]7 [/COLOR]When [COLOR=#095bff]the stars were made[/COLOR], all [COLOR=#ff0000]my angels[/COLOR] praised me with a loud voice.
And in[COLOR=#00b050] - Gen[/COLOR] [COLOR=#8cb507]6[/COLOR][COLOR=#4a442a]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]5 [/COLOR] Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they [COLOR=#ff0000]bore children[/COLOR] to them, those were
the
[COLOR=#ff0000]giants[/COLOR] of old, the men of renown.

The Greek Septuagint - never implies that the - “ Sons Of God “ are angels in Job 38: 4-7 - - but it does imply this - in Gen 6:5, Job 1:6 and also in Job 2:1 - Saying in - - Job 2:1 [COLOR=#2e1308]And it came to pass on a certain day, that [/COLOR][COLOR=#095bff]the angels of God[/COLOR][COLOR=#2e1308] came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came among them. [/COLOR]But The Greek Septuagint is filled with contradictions and with the changing of words in peoples names. Also, with mathematical errors. - For example Enoch at 165 years of age had Mathusala. = this was 1,287 years after creation. And Mathusala at 167 years of age had Lamech. = this was 1,454 years after creation and Lamech at 88 years of age had Noah = this was 1,642 years after creation. in The Greek Septuagint - all of these numbers of this genealogy are totally different and contradicting the genealogy in The Masoretic Text of the historical Torah, although - the flood in The Septuagint the flood does began 600 years after Noah was born = “ 2,242 “ years after creation – and in The Masoretic Text of the historical Torah the flood begins at “ 1,656 “ years after creation - because the timeline or generations are totally different.

But in The Greek Septuagint - If we subtract the year “ 1,287 “ when Methuselah was born from the year “ 2,242 = when the flood came.
2,242
1,287-
- - - - - = - 955 - the math is completely off by 14 years. The Greek Septuagint says - Gen_5:26-27 - Mathusala died at 969 years - - - [COLOR=#ff0000]this is “ 14 “ [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]years of[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] difference. [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(204, 204, 204)] A total contradiction[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000].__[/COLOR]

In The Greek Septuagint - not only does the math not add up - but The Septuagint shows that - Mathusala literally [COLOR=#ff0000]lived 14 years[/COLOR] after / longer - when the flood had come ....

According to the math of The Septuagint - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Mathusala lived through the flood but was never on the ark.
This is the scriptures what people rely on to promote their faith about “ Sons OF God “ being called Angels[/COLOR]. But there are no manuscripts for The Greek Septuagint .... - People actually believe that that the changes in the Septuagint were made under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. And they were decided and hand - picked by " [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)]a Pagan Egyptian King " [/COLOR] with no manuscripts mentioned as to - from where the Septuagint was translated from. - - No Hebrew manuscripts have ever existed - for The Greek Septuagint - Yet people claim these manuscripts existed 250 years before Christ. They simply have absolutely no scriptures for their claims nor faith. This is why they added the Apocrypha books to The Greek Septuagint because it is nothing more than a manipulated book for people who wish to add pagan ideas to the Torah. - - Also, in The Masoretic Text of the historical Torah - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The Sons Of God are never once described as Angels. - - God said in the New Testament [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(209, 72, 65)] that no Angel[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] has never, ever been known - to be called His Son.[/COLOR]

All original manuscripts and early copies of the Old Testament have disappeared over time, because of wars, the destruction of the First and Second Temples), and other intentional destructions as the Jews were persecuted and Rome sought to destroy all manuscripts as the Jews were fleeing to Europe. - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] But the Jews did preserve their Torah,[/COLOR] these are - The Hebrew Masoretic Text of the historical Torah - ( the real Bible preserved by the Jewish civilizations ) with manuscripts that they have copied for the last 2000 years and preserved. And they are all in major agreement – which is why it shows that it has been preserved..... The Egyptian and Roman manuscripts do attempt to change the Hebrew Torah and the Egyptian and Roman manuscripts have[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] thousands upon thousands of major contradictions between them all.[/COLOR] They are filled with errors, changed verses and changed names of people - total contradictions and mathematical errors. And they all have no manuscripts from before 250- to 400 years after Christ and many of them are incomplete.

However in the Torah - The Hebrew Masoretic Text of the historical Bible of the Jews = in Job 38:7 - the word - “ [COLOR=#ff0000]Morning[/COLOR] “ - is the word - “ H1242 - [COLOR=#1966ff]בֹּקֶר[/COLOR] - bôqer “ where it says in - - - - Job 38:7 When the [COLOR=#ff0000]morning [/COLOR]stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
[COLOR=#ff0000]Morning[/COLOR] “ is the Hebrew word - [COLOR=#1966ff]בֹּקֶר[/COLOR] - bôqer / bo'-ker “ = Meaning = The dawn (as the break of day); morning: - (+) early day. [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) = [/COLOR]bôqer / bo'-ker

In - Job 38:7 - [COLOR=#ff0000]There [/COLOR]is no[COLOR=#ff0000] reason [/COLOR]for[COLOR=#ff0000] any Translators - [/COLOR]to “ ADD “ the word - - “ When “ - meaning = to say “ When “ - the morning stars. The word - “ When “ is not in the manuscripts.

To say - :7 “ When “ the morning stars sang together is a mistranslation and untruthful - and not in the manuscripts. The word “ [COLOR=#ff0000]When[/COLOR] “ was a word that was added - by the tanslators. - The SIMPLE bass or root word - Meaning to simply say - THE MORNING - is the Hebrew word ( THE -MORNING [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) - [/COLOR]When the manuscripts - add a time frame to this word - it takes on a different form of - ( [COLOR=#1966ff]הבקר[/COLOR] )

Here is a list of just a few verses where the simple ROOT / BASE and BASIC “ stem “ word in it's purest simply form where the verses simply says = ( [COLOR=#00cc00]THE[/COLOR] MORNING - or [COLOR=#00cc00]A[/COLOR] MORNING [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242 - [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ff0000]Job 24:17[/COLOR] For [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242 [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#545454]is[/COLOR] to them as the shadow of death:

Here in [COLOR=#ff0000]Dan 8:14[/COLOR] - The Trinitarian Translators completely [COLOR=#7030a0]deleted[/COLOR] the Hebrew word “ morning “ from this verse. -

In the manuscripts [COLOR=#ff0000]Dan 8:14[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] says[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR]And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; in [COLOR=#00cc00]A[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242 [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] - the sanctuary will be cleansed. [COLOR=#ff0000]Gen 1 : 5,8,13, 19,23,31 - [/COLOR]And the evening and [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242 [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] - were the, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth day.

The[COLOR=#00cc00] simple root form[/COLOR] of this word “ [COLOR=#00cc00]THE[/COLOR] MORNING “ appears [COLOR=#00cc00]six times[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#7030a0]every single time[/COLOR] - here in [COLOR=#ff0000]Gen 1 : 5,8,13,19 23,31 - as simply = [/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00]The[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] - in its original – base, root and simple form – to say simply “ a morning or the morning “

[COLOR=#ff0000]Exo 16:19[/COLOR] And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Lev 7:15[/COLOR] The same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ff0000]Lev 19:13[/COLOR] The wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]Lev 22:30[/COLOR] Ye shall leave none of it until - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] –
[COLOR=#ff0000]Lev 24:3[/COLOR] Shall Aaron order it from the evening unto - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) [/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Num 9:12[/COLOR] They shall leave none of it unto - [COLOR=#00cc00]the -[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] –
[COLOR=#ff0000]Num 16:5[/COLOR] The LORD will shew -...Even till - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR][COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) [/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Second Sam 23:4[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]when[/COLOR] the sun riseth, [COLOR=#545454]even[/COLOR] [COLOR=#00cc00]a[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] –
[COLOR=#ff0000]Isa 17:14[/COLOR] And behold at eveningtide trouble; [COLOR=#545454]and[/COLOR] before [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] – he [COLOR=#545454]is[/COLOR] not. - [COLOR=#ff0000]Isa 21:12[/COLOR] The watchman said, - [COLOR=#00cc00]The[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] – cometh,
[COLOR=#ff0000]Hos 6:4[/COLOR] O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what shall I do unto thee? for your goodness [COLOR=#545454]is[/COLOR] as - [COLOR=#00cc00]a[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) [/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Hos 7:6[/COLOR] Their baker sleepeth all the night; in - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] –
[COLOR=#ff0000]Hos 13:3[/COLOR] Therefore they shall be as - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) [/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Exo_14:27[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#00cc00]The [/COLOR]” morning [COLOR=#013dff]בקר [/COLOR][COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]2Sa_23:4[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] “ morning [COLOR=#013dff]בקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Num_9:21[/COLOR][COLOR=#208020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] “ morning [COLOR=#013dff]בקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242[/COLOR] “

When the word “ [COLOR=#013dff]בקר[/COLOR] - Morning “ takes on Adverb to be categorized as an adverb because it modifies a verb, and [COLOR=#22229c]adjective[/COLOR], or another adverb by indicating the[COLOR=#095bff] time [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]related to the noun or a pronoun[/COLOR]. – this Hebrew word “ [COLOR=#013dff]בקר[/COLOR] Morning “ - always changes into the form of the Hebrew word = “ [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] “ - to indicate a MODIFICATION that - modifies a verb, giving a stronger present, past and future tense indication or meaning - to say [COLOR=#095bff]WHEN[/COLOR] THE MORNING - or [COLOR=#095bff]UNTIL[/COLOR] THE MORNING or[COLOR=#095bff] FROM[/COLOR] THE MORNING of a certain time frame in the verse.. It also ties the word to a specific meaning - inflected by the noun or a pronoun. – making it a verb in the way the verb express identity, classification of present, past, and future tense as the existence in time related to the subject.

As we see - here are just a few verses out of many, many more verses where the word “ morning “ is changed to reflect the subject as related to time.
[COLOR=#013dff]Exo_14:27[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#ff0000]when[/COLOR] [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Exo_10:13[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#ff0000]when[/COLOR] the [COLOR=#7830bf]H1961[/COLOR] “ morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242[/COLOR] “ - [COLOR=#013dff]Mic 2:1[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]when [/COLOR] the morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Gen 44:3[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]As - soon[/COLOR] as the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#013dff]Exo 10:13[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]when [/COLOR] it was ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Exo 16:23[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]until [/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Exo 18:13[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]From[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Exo 29:34[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] – [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Unto [/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#013dff]Exo 29:41[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] – [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Of [/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Lev 9:17 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Of[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Num 28:8[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Of[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Jdg 16:2[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]In[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#013dff]Rth 2:7[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]From [/COLOR] the time of the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Rth 3:13[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]In[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Mic 2:1[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]When[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Pro 7:18[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Until[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “[/COLOR]

The verse in Job 38:7 - never says - [COLOR=#ff0000]When[/COLOR] - the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ [/COLOR]stars. “

The Hebrew word in the manuscripts are simply - that _ [COLOR=#00cc00]The [/COLOR]” morning[COLOR=#013dff]בקר [/COLOR][COLOR=#7830bf]H1242[/COLOR] stars. “ sang together.
This is the simple base, root and common word to say – simply - [COLOR=#00cc00]The[/COLOR]” morning[COLOR=#013dff]בקר [/COLOR][COLOR=#7830bf]H1242[/COLOR] stars. “ sang.
Not WHEN - the morning stars. - Also, - The fact is - SATAN nor any Angel are never ever called or termed or labeled as “ stars “ anywhere in the entire Bible= in the Torah.
[COLOR=#5f6060]It is only - the humans who are called Stars ( and - Even Yahoshua, " God in flesh " ( and the human seed of Abraham ) is called the - ( Morning Star ) - Rev 22:16 I Jesus - am the root and [/COLOR][COLOR=#e25041]the [/COLOR][COLOR=#2969b0]offspring[/COLOR][COLOR=#e25041] of David, [/COLOR]and the bright and[COLOR=#e25041] morning star[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060].[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#5f6060]The Children of Abraham are called [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]stars[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] - Heb 11:12 Abraham’s seed are as the [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]stars[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] of the sky in multitude
Also - in Rev_12 the dragon and the woman are both depicted as bringing [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]stars[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] to the earth. These are humans who are in positions of importance, prominence and in conflict with one another. - Never are any Spiritual beings such as demons or heavenly angels referred to as a [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]star[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] in the Bible. Nor any humans born from a woman - referred to an [/COLOR][COLOR=#1966ff]Angel[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] or [/COLOR][COLOR=#1966ff]Demon[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060].[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#ff0000]Gen 37:9[/COLOR] And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven [COLOR=#1966ff]star[/COLOR]s made obeisance to me.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Gen 37:10[/COLOR] And his brethren: and his father rebuked him, Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
[COLOR=#ff0000]Exo 32:13[/COLOR] Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, - I will multiply your seed as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven
[COLOR=#ff0000]Deu 1:10[/COLOR] The LORD your God hath multiplied you, and, behold, ye [COLOR=#545454]are[/COLOR] this day as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven for multitude.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Deu 10:22[/COLOR] OF Thy fathers .... The LORD thy God hath made thee as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven for multitude.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Jdg 5:19[/COLOR] The kings came [COLOR=#545454]and[/COLOR] fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money.[COLOR=#802020] :[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]20[/COLOR] They fought from heaven; the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] in their courses fought against Sisera.
[COLOR=#ff0000]1Ch 27:23[/COLOR] But David took not the number of them from twenty years old and under: because the LORD had said he would increase Israel like to the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of the heavens.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Neh 9:23[/COLOR] Their children also multiplied thou as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven, and broughtest them into the land, concerning which thou hadst promised to their fathers, that they should go in to possess [COLOR=#545454]it.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ff0000]Isa 14:12[/COLOR] How art thou has fallen from heaven, as light, son of the morning! [COLOR=#545454]how[/COLOR] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[COLOR=#ff0000]Isa 14:13[/COLOR] For thou hast said in thine heart, ( the King of Babylon ) I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[COLOR=#ff0000]Dan 8:10[/COLOR] And it waxed great, ( the rough goat the king of Grecia: ) [COLOR=#545454]even[/COLOR] to the host of heaven; and it cast down [COLOR=#545454]some[/COLOR] of the host and of the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] to the ground, and stamped upon them.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Dan 12:2[/COLOR] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [COLOR=#545454]and[/COLOR] everlasting contempt. [COLOR=#ff0000]:3[/COLOR] And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] for ever and ever.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Oba 1:4[/COLOR] ( EDOM ) - Though thou exalt [COLOR=#545454]thyself[/COLOR] as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR], thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Nah 3:16[/COLOR] ( The bloody city ) Thou hast multiplied thy merchants above the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven: the cankerworm spoileth, and flieth away.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Heb 11:11[/COLOR] Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, [COLOR=#ff0000]:12[/COLOR] ..... [COLOR=#545454]so many[/COLOR] as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 12:1[/COLOR] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR]:
[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 12:4[/COLOR] The great red dragon drew the third part of the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 2:1[/COLOR] Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 22:16[/COLOR] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning [COLOR=#1966ff]star[/COLOR].
[COLOR=#00cc00]Morningstar[/COLOR], [COLOR=#00cc00]Son of the mornin[/COLOR]g And [COLOR=#00cc00]Rising in the morning[/COLOR]. In the Bible, the three terms and many, many, many " MORNING STAR " and " [COLOR=#7030a0]son of the[/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00] morning “ [/COLOR][COLOR=#7030a0]and[/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00] “ [/COLOR][COLOR=#7030a0]rising in the[/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00] morning " and " MORNING “ [/COLOR][COLOR=#7030a0]STAGE TERM[/COLOR][COLOR=#7030a0]S[/COLOR] " are simply the SYMBOLIC allegoric meaning of the character and denotation and the illustration of the meaning. - - Meaning = To own or to control or dominate the early morning dawn of a history timeline context - or to have dominion at the beginning or start or onset of a beginning time. The dawn has a symbolic meaning of the first appearance of light in the sky before sunrise. "the new pink rose light of dawn" daybreak, sunrise, first light, daylight; - The meaning also means To begin, break, arrive, emerge or come into existence. "A new era or the beginning of a phenomenon or period of time, especially one considered favorable, dominating, controlling or first or primary control. - MORNING STAR " or " son of the morning Means The Origins of a primary, early or firstly originating place or eXistance. Having, obtaining owning and or eXisting as { BEING } “ The morning star “ or being “ The a son of the morning “ or “ rising in the morning " simply means to eXist at the beginning of a period or to possess a possession of rightfulness as of that at the first or original right of power.

We see this is the eXact meaning in other verse where these “ MORNING “ eXpressive phrases are used..

[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 2:26[/COLOR] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the [COLOR=#1966ff]morning star[/COLOR].
AND
[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 22:16[/COLOR] I, Jesus, have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and [COLOR=#1966ff]morning star[/COLOR].
AND [COLOR=#ff0000]Psa 110:3[/COLOR] Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the [COLOR=#1966ff]morning [/COLOR]: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
And [COLOR=#ff0000]Eze 7:6[/COLOR] An end is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it :7 The [COLOR=#1966ff]morning[/COLOR] is come unto thee, O thou that dwellest in the land: the time is come, the day of trouble is near, and not the sounding again of the mountains.
And [COLOR=#ff0000]Hos 10:15[/COLOR] So shall Bethel do unto you because of your great wickedness: in a [COLOR=#1966ff]morning[/COLOR] shall the king of Israel utterly be cut off.

There are many hundreds of these eXact type of symbolic words that define momentous events and periods of time that are called " THE MORNING. " As - - The DAWNING OF THE AGE. - 1. rising in the morning " - 2. morning star- " - and - " - 3. son of the morning. - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] These words only apply ONLY to humans in the Bible[/COLOR]. There is simply no manuscripts that support the Theory, Fable and Doctrine that Job 38:7 [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]has any connection to anyone but humans[/COLOR]. Many Translators simply added, removed and changed many of the manuscripts to invent their personal teachings and theologies. And have absolutely - no manuscripts for their Pagan translations.

As the Greek Septuagint[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] has no manuscripts to show why or how it was changed and contrary to The Hebrew Masoretic Text[/COLOR] of the historical Bible of the Jews - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] and all of these Bibles come from Rome and Egypt and never - have been found anywhere else on the planet – except for near Rome and Egypt until 600 – 900 years after Christ, when they were distribited then by Roman Catholics. ..[/COLOR] But The Hebrew Masoretic Text of the historical Bible that the Jewish people / civilization have preserved and copied – [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]are found to be in almost complete agreement and nearly identical - and are found all throughout the Middle East and throughout Europe going back for nearly 1000 years[/COLOR] of preservation of [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]the Jewish people themselves[/COLOR]. All other – are The Septuagint, The Vatican and The Egyptian Bibles that add Apocrypha books and change the Bible in many places to insert paganism from a historical pagan ideology - and contradictions. T[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]hey even contradict their own Bibles translations between themselves [/COLOR]– there are hundreds of contradicting verses and are most all incomplete and filled with changes and have errors in the genealogies with the years and time frame inaccuracies and mathematical errors.

Do we trust Rome and [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Egypt[/COLOR] - or do we trust the Hebrew people who God said that he will use to write and preserve the entire Bible, whose manuscripts are in agreement.. As the Greek Septuagint agrees with no manuscripts and [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]has[/COLOR] - no manuscripts. We know nothing about [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]where[/COLOR] they were translated from - unless we look and trust in the Apocrypha and the pagan world that was inserted into a Roman and Egyptian Government authority who were making these translations claiming them be the real Bible.
 
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I understand what each one here is saying and it is all very interesting. I understand what is being claimed - but I honestly simply am not finding any manuscripts for these claims or faiths.

In - [COLOR=#00b050]Job[/COLOR] 38: 4-7 ... _ of the Greek Septuagint - it says - [COLOR=#ffff00]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]4[/COLOR] Where wast thou when I founded the earth? tell me now, if thou hast knowledge. [COLOR=#ffff00]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]5[/COLOR] who set the measures of it, if thou knowest? or who stretched a line upon it? [COLOR=#ffff00]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]6[/COLOR] On what are its rings fastened? and who is he that laid the corner-stone upon it? - [COLOR=#ffff00]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]7 [/COLOR]When [COLOR=#095bff]the stars were made[/COLOR], all [COLOR=#ff0000]my angels[/COLOR] praised me with a loud voice.
And in[COLOR=#00b050] - Gen[/COLOR] [COLOR=#8cb507]6[/COLOR][COLOR=#4a442a]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]5 [/COLOR] Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they [COLOR=#ff0000]bore children[/COLOR] to them, those were
the
[COLOR=#ff0000]giants[/COLOR] of old, the men of renown.

The Greek Septuagint - never implies that the - “ Sons Of God “ are angels in Job 38: 4-7 - - but it does imply this - in Gen 6:5, Job 1:6 and also in Job 2:1 - Saying in - - Job 2:1 [COLOR=#2e1308]And it came to pass on a certain day, that [/COLOR][COLOR=#095bff]the angels of God[/COLOR][COLOR=#2e1308] came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came among them. [/COLOR]But The Greek Septuagint is filled with contradictions and with the changing of words in peoples names. Also, with mathematical errors. - For example Enoch at 165 years of age had Mathusala. = this was 1,287 years after creation. And Mathusala at 167 years of age had Lamech. = this was 1,454 years after creation and Lamech at 88 years of age had Noah = this was 1,642 years after creation. in The Greek Septuagint - all of these numbers of this genealogy are totally different and contradicting the genealogy in The Masoretic Text of the historical Torah, although - the flood in The Septuagint the flood does began 600 years after Noah was born = “ 2,242 “ years after creation – and in The Masoretic Text of the historical Torah the flood begins at “ 1,656 “ years after creation - because the timeline or generations are totally different.

But in The Greek Septuagint - If we subtract the year “ 1,287 “ when Methuselah was born from the year “ 2,242 = when the flood came.
2,242
1,287-
- - - - - = - 955 - the math is completely off by 14 years. The Greek Septuagint says - Gen_5:26-27 - Mathusala died at 969 years - - - [COLOR=#ff0000]this is “ 14 “ [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]years of[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] difference. [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(204, 204, 204)] A total contradiction[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000].__[/COLOR]

In The Greek Septuagint - not only does the math not add up - but The Septuagint shows that - Mathusala literally [COLOR=#ff0000]lived 14 years[/COLOR] after / longer - when the flood had come ....

According to the math of The Septuagint - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Mathusala lived through the flood but was never on the ark.
This is the scriptures what people rely on to promote their faith about “ Sons OF God “ being called Angels[/COLOR]. But there are no manuscripts for The Greek Septuagint .... - People actually believe that that the changes in the Septuagint were made under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. And they were decided and hand - picked by " [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)]a Pagan Egyptian King " [/COLOR] with no manuscripts mentioned as to - from where the Septuagint was translated from. - - No Hebrew manuscripts have ever existed - for The Greek Septuagint - Yet people claim these manuscripts existed 250 years before Christ. They simply have absolutely no scriptures for their claims nor faith. This is why they added the Apocrypha books to The Greek Septuagint because it is nothing more than a manipulated book for people who wish to add pagan ideas to the Torah. - - Also, in The Masoretic Text of the historical Torah - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The Sons Of God are never once described as Angels. - - God said in the New Testament [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(209, 72, 65)] that no Angel[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] has never, ever been known - to be called His Son.[/COLOR]

All original manuscripts and early copies of the Old Testament have disappeared over time, because of wars, the destruction of the First and Second Temples), and other intentional destructions as the Jews were persecuted and Rome sought to destroy all manuscripts as the Jews were fleeing to Europe. - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] But the Jews did preserve their Torah,[/COLOR] these are - The Hebrew Masoretic Text of the historical Torah - ( the real Bible preserved by the Jewish civilizations ) with manuscripts that they have copied for the last 2000 years and preserved. And they are all in major agreement – which is why it shows that it has been preserved..... The Egyptian and Roman manuscripts do attempt to change the Hebrew Torah and the Egyptian and Roman manuscripts have[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] thousands upon thousands of major contradictions between them all.[/COLOR] They are filled with errors, changed verses and changed names of people - total contradictions and mathematical errors. And they all have no manuscripts from before 250- to 400 years after Christ and many of them are incomplete.

However in the Torah - The Hebrew Masoretic Text of the historical Bible of the Jews = in Job 38:7 - the word - “ [COLOR=#ff0000]Morning[/COLOR] “ - is the word - “ H1242 - [COLOR=#1966ff]בֹּקֶר[/COLOR] - bôqer “ where it says in - - - - Job 38:7 When the [COLOR=#ff0000]morning [/COLOR]stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
[COLOR=#ff0000]Morning[/COLOR] “ is the Hebrew word - [COLOR=#1966ff]בֹּקֶר[/COLOR] - bôqer / bo'-ker “ = Meaning = The dawn (as the break of day); morning: - (+) early day. [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) = [/COLOR]bôqer / bo'-ker

In - Job 38:7 - [COLOR=#ff0000]There [/COLOR]is no[COLOR=#ff0000] reason [/COLOR]for[COLOR=#ff0000] any Translators - [/COLOR]to “ ADD “ the word - - “ When “ - meaning = to say “ When “ - the morning stars. The word - “ When “ is not in the manuscripts.

To say - :7 “ When “ the morning stars sang together is a mistranslation and untruthful - and not in the manuscripts. The word “ [COLOR=#ff0000]When[/COLOR] “ was a word that was added - by the tanslators. - The SIMPLE bass or root word - Meaning to simply say - THE MORNING - is the Hebrew word ( THE -MORNING [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) - [/COLOR]When the manuscripts - add a time frame to this word - it takes on a different form of - ( [COLOR=#1966ff]הבקר[/COLOR] )

Here is a list of just a few verses where the simple ROOT / BASE and BASIC “ stem “ word in it s purest simply form where the verses simply says = ( [COLOR=#00cc00]THE[/COLOR] MORNING - or [COLOR=#00cc00]A[/COLOR] MORNING [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242 - [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ff0000]Job 24:17[/COLOR] For [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242 [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#545454]is[/COLOR] to them as the shadow of death:

Here in [COLOR=#ff0000]Dan 8:14[/COLOR] - The Trinitarian Translators completely [COLOR=#7030a0]deleted[/COLOR] the Hebrew word “ morning “ from this verse. -

In the manuscripts [COLOR=#ff0000]Dan 8:14[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] says[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR]And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; in [COLOR=#00cc00]A[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242 [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] - the sanctuary will be cleansed. [COLOR=#ff0000]Gen 1 : 5,8,13, 19,23,31 - [/COLOR]And the evening and [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242 [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] - were the, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth day.

The[COLOR=#00cc00] simple root form[/COLOR] of this word “ [COLOR=#00cc00]THE[/COLOR] MORNING “ appears [COLOR=#00cc00]six times[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#7030a0]every single time[/COLOR] - here in [COLOR=#ff0000]Gen 1 : 5,8,13,19 23,31 - as simply = [/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00]The[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] - in its original – base, root and simple form – to say simply “ a morning or the morning “

[COLOR=#ff0000]Exo 16:19[/COLOR] And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Lev 7:15[/COLOR] The same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ff0000]Lev 19:13[/COLOR] The wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]Lev 22:30[/COLOR] Ye shall leave none of it until - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] –
[COLOR=#ff0000]Lev 24:3[/COLOR] Shall Aaron order it from the evening unto - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) [/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Num 9:12[/COLOR] They shall leave none of it unto - [COLOR=#00cc00]the -[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] –
[COLOR=#ff0000]Num 16:5[/COLOR] The LORD will shew -...Even till - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR][COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) [/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Second Sam 23:4[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]when[/COLOR] the sun riseth, [COLOR=#545454]even[/COLOR] [COLOR=#00cc00]a[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] –
[COLOR=#ff0000]Isa 17:14[/COLOR] And behold at eveningtide trouble; [COLOR=#545454]and[/COLOR] before [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] – he [COLOR=#545454]is[/COLOR] not. - [COLOR=#ff0000]Isa 21:12[/COLOR] The watchman said, - [COLOR=#00cc00]The[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] – cometh,
[COLOR=#ff0000]Hos 6:4[/COLOR] O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what shall I do unto thee? for your goodness [COLOR=#545454]is[/COLOR] as - [COLOR=#00cc00]a[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) [/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Hos 7:6[/COLOR] Their baker sleepeth all the night; in - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] –
[COLOR=#ff0000]Hos 13:3[/COLOR] Therefore they shall be as - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) [/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Exo_14:27[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#00cc00]The [/COLOR]” morning [COLOR=#013dff]בקר [/COLOR][COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]2Sa_23:4[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] “ morning [COLOR=#013dff]בקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Num_9:21[/COLOR][COLOR=#208020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] “ morning [COLOR=#013dff]בקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242[/COLOR] “

When the word “ [COLOR=#013dff]בקר[/COLOR] - Morning “ takes on Adverb to be categorized as an adverb because it modifies a verb, and [COLOR=#22229c]adjective[/COLOR], or another adverb by indicating the[COLOR=#095bff] time [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]related to the noun or a pronoun[/COLOR]. – this Hebrew word “ [COLOR=#013dff]בקר[/COLOR] Morning “ - always changes into the form of the Hebrew word = “ [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] “ - to indicate a MODIFICATION that - modifies a verb, giving a stronger present, past and future tense indication or meaning - to say [COLOR=#095bff]WHEN[/COLOR] THE MORNING - or [COLOR=#095bff]UNTIL[/COLOR] THE MORNING or[COLOR=#095bff] FROM[/COLOR] THE MORNING of a certain time frame in the verse.. It also ties the word to a specific meaning - inflected by the noun or a pronoun. – making is a verb in the way the verb express identity, classification of present, past, and future tense as the existence in time related to the subject.

As we see - here are just a few verses out of many, many more verses where the word “ morning “ is changed to reflect the subject as related to time.
[COLOR=#013dff]Exo_14:27[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#ff0000]when[/COLOR] [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Exo_10:13[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#ff0000]when[/COLOR] the [COLOR=#7830bf]H1961[/COLOR] “ morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242[/COLOR] “ - [COLOR=#013dff]Mic 2:1[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]when [/COLOR] the morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Gen 44:3[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]As - soon[/COLOR] as the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#013dff]Exo 10:13[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]when [/COLOR] it was ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Exo 16:23[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]until [/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Exo 18:13[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]From[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Exo 29:34[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] – [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Unto [/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#013dff]Exo 29:41[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] – [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Of [/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Lev 9:17 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Of[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Num 28:8[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Of[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Jdg 16:2[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]In[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#013dff]Rth 2:7[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]From [/COLOR] the time of the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Rth 3:13[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]In[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Mic 2:1[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]When[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Pro 7:18[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Until[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “[/COLOR]

The verse in Job 38:7 - never says - [COLOR=#ff0000]When[/COLOR] - the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ [/COLOR]stars. “

The Hebrew word in the manuscripts are simply - that _ [COLOR=#00cc00]The [/COLOR]” morning[COLOR=#013dff]בקר [/COLOR][COLOR=#7830bf]H1242[/COLOR] stars. “ sang together.
This is the simple base, root and common word to say – simply - [COLOR=#00cc00]The[/COLOR]” morning[COLOR=#013dff]בקר [/COLOR][COLOR=#7830bf]H1242[/COLOR] stars. “ sang.
Not WHEN - the morning stars. - Also, - The fact is - SATAN nor any Angel are never ever called or termed or labeled as “ stars “ anywhere in the entire Bible= in the Torah.
[COLOR=#5f6060]It is only - the humans who are called Stars ( and - Even Yahoshua, " God in flesh " ( and the human seed of Abraham ) is called the - ( Morning Star ) - Rev 22:16 I Jesus - am the root and [/COLOR][COLOR=#e25041]the [/COLOR][COLOR=#2969b0]offspring[/COLOR][COLOR=#e25041] of David, [/COLOR]and the bright and[COLOR=#e25041] morning star[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060].[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#5f6060]The Children of Abraham are called [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]stars[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] - Heb 11:12 Abraham’s seed are as the [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]stars[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] of the sky in multitude
Also - in Rev_12 the dragon and the woman are both depicted as bringing [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]stars[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] to the earth. These are humans who are in positions of importance, prominence and in conflict with one another. - Never are any Spiritual beings such as demons or heavenly angels referred to as a [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]star[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] in the Bible. Nor any humans born from a woman - referred to an [/COLOR][COLOR=#1966ff]Angel[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] or [/COLOR][COLOR=#1966ff]Demon[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060].[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#ff0000]Gen 37:9[/COLOR] And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven [COLOR=#1966ff]star[/COLOR]s made obeisance to me.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Gen 37:10[/COLOR] And his brethren: and his father rebuked him, Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
[COLOR=#ff0000]Exo 32:13[/COLOR] Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, - I will multiply your seed as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven
[COLOR=#ff0000]Deu 1:10[/COLOR] The LORD your God hath multiplied you, and, behold, ye [COLOR=#545454]are[/COLOR] this day as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven for multitude.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Deu 10:22[/COLOR] OF Thy fathers .... The LORD thy God hath made thee as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven for multitude.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Jdg 5:19[/COLOR] The kings came [COLOR=#545454]and[/COLOR] fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money.[COLOR=#802020] :[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]20[/COLOR] They fought from heaven; the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] in their courses fought against Sisera.
[COLOR=#ff0000]1Ch 27:23[/COLOR] But David took not the number of them from twenty years old and under: because the LORD had said he would increase Israel like to the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of the heavens.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Neh 9:23[/COLOR] Their children also multiplied thou as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven, and broughtest them into the land, concerning which thou hadst promised to their fathers, that they should go in to possess [COLOR=#545454]it.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ff0000]Isa 14:12[/COLOR] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [COLOR=#545454]how[/COLOR] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[COLOR=#ff0000]Isa 14:13[/COLOR] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[COLOR=#ff0000]Dan 8:10[/COLOR] And it waxed great, [COLOR=#545454]even[/COLOR] to the host of heaven; and it cast down [COLOR=#545454]some[/COLOR] of the host and of the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] to the ground, and stamped upon them.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Dan 12:2[/COLOR] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [COLOR=#545454]and[/COLOR] everlasting contempt. [COLOR=#ff0000]:3[/COLOR] And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] for ever and ever.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Oba 1:4[/COLOR] ( EDOM ) - Though thou exalt [COLOR=#545454]thyself[/COLOR] as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR], thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Nah 3:16[/COLOR] ( The bloody city ) Thou hast multiplied thy merchants above the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven: the cankerworm spoileth, and flieth away.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Heb 11:11[/COLOR] Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, [COLOR=#ff0000]:12[/COLOR] ..... [COLOR=#545454]so many[/COLOR] as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 12:1[/COLOR] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR]:
[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 12:4[/COLOR] The great red dragon drew the third part of the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 2:1[/COLOR] Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 22:16[/COLOR] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning [COLOR=#1966ff]star[/COLOR].
[COLOR=#00cc00]Morningstar[/COLOR], [COLOR=#00cc00]Son of the mornin[/COLOR]g And [COLOR=#00cc00]Rising in the morning[/COLOR]. In the Bible, the three terms and many, many, many " MORNING STAR " and " [COLOR=#7030a0]son of the[/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00] morning “ [/COLOR][COLOR=#7030a0]and[/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00] “ [/COLOR][COLOR=#7030a0]rising in the[/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00] morning " and " MORNING “ [/COLOR][COLOR=#7030a0]STAGE TERM[/COLOR][COLOR=#7030a0]S[/COLOR] " are simply the SYMBOLIC allegoric meaning of the character and denotation and the illustration of the meaning. - - Meaning = To own or to control or dominate the early morning dawn of a history timeline context - or to have dominion at the beginning or start or onset of a beginning time. The dawn has a symbolic meaning of the first appearance of light in the sky before sunrise. "the new pink rose light of dawn" daybreak, sunrise, first light, daylight; - The meaning also means To begin, break, arrive, emerge or come into existence. "A new era or the beginning of a phenomenon or period of time, especially one considered favorable, dominating, controlling or first or primary control. - MORNING STAR " or " son of the morning Means The Origins of a primary, early or firstly originating place or eXistance. Having, obtaining owning and or eXisting as { BEING } “ The morning star “ or being “ The a son of the morning “ or “ rising in the morning " simply means to eXist at the beginning of a period or to possess a possession of rightfulness as of that at the first or original right of power.

We see this is the eXact meaning in other verse where these “ MORNING “ eXpressive phrases are used..

[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 2:26[/COLOR] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the [COLOR=#1966ff]morning star[/COLOR].
AND
[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 22:16[/COLOR] I, Jesus, have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and [COLOR=#1966ff]morning star[/COLOR].
AND [COLOR=#ff0000]Psa 110:3[/COLOR] Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the [COLOR=#1966ff]morning [/COLOR]: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
And [COLOR=#ff0000]Eze 7:6[/COLOR] An end is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it :7 The [COLOR=#1966ff]morning[/COLOR] is come unto thee, O thou that dwellest in the land: the time is come, the day of trouble is near, and not the sounding again of the mountains.
And [COLOR=#ff0000]Hos 10:15[/COLOR] So shall Bethel do unto you because of your great wickedness: in a [COLOR=#1966ff]morning[/COLOR] shall the king of Israel utterly be cut off.

There are many hundreds of these eXact type of symbolic words that define momentous events and periods of time that are called " THE MORNING. " As - - The DAWNING OF THE AGE. - 1. rising in the morning " - 2. morning star- " - and - " - 3. son of the morning. - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] These words only apply ONLY to humans in the Bible[/COLOR]. There is simply no manuscripts that support the Theory, Fable and Doctrine that Job 38:7 [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]has any connection to anyone but humans[/COLOR]. Many Translators simply added, removed and changed many of the manuscripts to invent their personal teachings and theologies. And have absolutely - no manuscripts for their Pagan translations.

As the Greek Septuagint[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] has no manuscripts to show why or how it was changed and contrary to The Hebrew Masoretic Text[/COLOR] of the historical Bible of the Jews - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] and all of these Bibles come from Rome and Egypt and never - have been found anywhere else on the planet – except for near Rome and Egypt until 600 – 900 years after Christ..[/COLOR] But The Hebrew Masoretic Text of the historical Bible that the Jewish people / civilization have preserved and copied – [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]are found to be in almost complete agreement and nearly identical - and are found all throughout the Middle East and throughout Europe going back for nearly 1000 years[/COLOR] of preservation of [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]the Jewish people themselves[/COLOR]. All other – are The Septuagint, The Vatican and The Egyptian Bibles that add Apocrypha books and change the Bible in many places to insert paganism from a historical pagan ideology - and contradictions. T[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]hey even contradict their own Bibles translations between themselves [/COLOR]– there are hundreds of contradicting verses and are most all incomplete and filled with changes and have errors in the genealogies with the years and time frame inaccuracies and mathematical errors.

Do we trust Rome and [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Egypt[/COLOR] - or do we trust the Hebrew people who God said that he will use to write and preserve the entire Bible, whose manuscripts are in agreement.. As the Greek Septuagint agrees with no manuscripts and [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]has[/COLOR] - no manuscripts. We know nothing about [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]where[/COLOR] they were translated from - unless we look and trust in the Apocrypha and the pagan world that was inserted into a Roman and Egyptian Government authority who were making these translations claiming them be the real Bible.
Well, sir...I didn't start this thread to see a fight come of it. I am stepping out of it and you can believe anything you want....Have a wonderful day.
 
From the foundation when God decided that He would create children for His pleasure. That mean for His company and love and to have them show love back to Him, the way He showed love to them. It’s a very natural thing for true love to want love in return. God wanted children that desire to love Him cause they desire to love Him, they wanted to love God on their own free will. They chose to love God on their own, they in turn desire God’s love back. There again it’s a very natural thing, love begets love. It’s Gods natural scheme of things.

The children that God created from the very beginning/foundation, were referred to as the sons of God and they were all in that finer body, known as a spiritual body. A body that shows no age, doesn’t get sick, does not have pain, it’s was designed by God to live forever cause that was God’s initial plan. To create children for His company to live with Him upon this earth for a eternity. But Satan, Gods special child that He loved so much, that He made Satan the complete pattern, most beautiful, wise, and endowed him with super natural powers. God had even elevated Satan to a protecting cherub to protect the mercy seat/Gods Throne, but for whatever reason Satan turned on God and tried to take God place and have Gods children to worship him. Satan was doing a pretty good job at it cause one third of Gods children followed and even fought with Satan against God during the rebellion/ overthrow.

You remember, another one third didn’t know who to choose, these were the real bright biblically illiterate ones of the sons of God. They didn’t even know enough about Gods word to make an intelligent choice. God hates indecisiveness in His children. The one third that followed Satan at less made a choice, but it was the wrong choice. Then finally you got this one third that sided and fought long side God against Satan and his bunch. God and that one third of the sons of God did put things back in order and Satan was chained up.

After this battle was over, you could bet your life, that God rewarded this faithful and true one third of the sons of God that stayed loyal and did not run from the heat of battle. Their reward, they overcame during that time in that first world age, they were tested then on wether they would follow Satan or God All Mighty. God now knew their true heart, God knew He could count on this one third when things get rough. You know what I mean? ALL three thirds of the sons of God where in that finer/spiritual body. But this one third that fought long side with God, they overcame, God elevated their souls/spirits to the status of deathlessness. They are called the, Elect, remnant, first fruits upon this earth in this flesh age we are living at the moment. Also referred to as the second world age. The other two thirds of the children/sons of God that felled to overcome during Satan’s rebellion, their souls/spirits are still in jeopardy, they will either overcome or they will blotted out.

A lot of this two thirds will be tested just shortly up ahead in this age of the flesh. We are nearing the end of this age in the flesh, there is a great test coming upon God’s children that are still alive in this flesh body when the true Christ returns to this earth. The real test is a individual thing in that each and everyone will have to choose witch Christ they will worship. You see the test in this end time is, does he or she know the real Christ and only worship him. The trick here is, we have two super natural entities coming to this earth and both will be claiming that they are Jesus Christ. We know there is only one true Christ. But the test here for ALL that are alive here on earth in flesh bodies at the time we will have two super natural entities claiming to be Christ, which one come first, the fake/anti christ or the true Christ. Each and everyone will have to make that pick/choice. The ones that choose the correct/true Christ, their souls/spirits are elevated to that status of deathlessness. They overcame. Those that make the mistake and worshiping or falling for anti christ, believing him to be the true Christ, will be made to go through that 1000 year period of time, known as the millennium, to be spoon fed only the true word of God and be tested at the end of that 1000 year period, the very same way as before.

Must warn everyone that Satan knows God’s plan/word probably better than anyone in the flesh body. So you had better sharpen up. Satan is very crafty and sly, he knows flesh man like the back off his hand. If he thinks to many may know how to identify him when he returns, he may send an impostor to throw you off. Beware my friends, your not messing with a amateur here. Satan is a Bible scholar from a way back, he knows it inside and out. Paul tells or teaches you precisely how to tell the fake Christ from the true Christ. I Cor 15:52

What most don’t realize just how many years the sons of God lived in harmony with God on this earth before Satan decided to rebell against God and tried to take over the show. You can bet that Satan’s actions hurt Gods feelings very much, but God being the supreme leader had no choice but to either destroy Satan and all the sons of God that chose to follow Satan or set up His Devine plan of salvation to redeem back all His children that would recognize God as the supreme Father and repent and come back into God’s family.

There again it’s not known just how long the sons of God lived in harmony upon this earth with God before Satan rebelled. More than likely it’s was a very very long time, a few thousands, a few million years, who knows, but the evidence is there. As stated earlier the sons of God were in the finer bodies at this time but Gods animals at this time were in flesh bodies. When Satan rebelled and God with that one third of the sons of God that sided with God, beat Satan back. At that point God came up with a plan of salvation. That plan was to take the sons of God from off the earth and destroy all life and any visual proof there was a civilization on the earth once before, and recreate or renew the earth again with all new vegetation and animals, and place the souls/spirits of the sons of God back upon this earth in flesh bodies through the womb of woman. Thus the beginning of Genesis 1:3.

The hard proof is there that this took place. The Fossilized remains of all the animals are found in digs around the world proving that they did exist millions of years ago. The animals, they marine life, and the vegetation, all left fossilized proof that they were here. They find feet prints of the sons of God in stone around the world that carbon date about 15 millions years. One may argue that carbon dating is not that accurate. Let’s say it 50% inaccurate, that’s still 7,5 million years. Many think this earth and flesh man is only about 6 thousand years old. The earth is millions of years old but flesh man is more like 12 to 14 thousand years old. But that is neither here nor there. It’s a long ways from even 7.5 million years. Let wisdom sink in here now.

God has not killed or done away with any of the souls/spirit of the sons of God, not even Satan’s soul as of yet. Satan and some of his followers will be destroyed at the end of the millennium. One has to use wisdom to understand pre Genesis. Gods word declares it and the proof is in the fossilized remains. God did not or has not kill or destroyed any of the sons of God to this point.
 
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I understand what each one here is saying and it is all very interesting. I understand what is being claimed - but I honestly simply am not finding any manuscripts for these claims or faiths.

In - [COLOR=#00b050]Job[/COLOR] 38: 4-7 ... _ of the Greek Septuagint - it says - [COLOR=#ffff00]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]4[/COLOR] Where wast thou when I founded the earth? tell me now, if thou hast knowledge. [COLOR=#ffff00]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]5[/COLOR] who set the measures of it, if thou knowest? or who stretched a line upon it? [COLOR=#ffff00]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]6[/COLOR] On what are its rings fastened? and who is he that laid the corner-stone upon it? - [COLOR=#ffff00]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]7 [/COLOR]When [COLOR=#095bff]the stars were made[/COLOR], all [COLOR=#ff0000]my angels[/COLOR] praised me with a loud voice.
And in[COLOR=#00b050] - Gen[/COLOR] [COLOR=#8cb507]6[/COLOR][COLOR=#4a442a]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#8cb507]5 [/COLOR] Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they [COLOR=#ff0000]bore children[/COLOR] to them, those were
the
[COLOR=#ff0000]giants[/COLOR] of old, the men of renown.

The Greek Septuagint - never implies that the - “ Sons Of God “ are angels in Job 38: 4-7 - - but it does imply this - in Gen 6:5, Job 1:6 and also in Job 2:1 - Saying in - - Job 2:1 [COLOR=#2e1308]And it came to pass on a certain day, that [/COLOR][COLOR=#095bff]the angels of God[/COLOR][COLOR=#2e1308] came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came among them. [/COLOR]But The Greek Septuagint is filled with contradictions and with the changing of words in peoples names. Also, with mathematical errors. - For example Enoch at 165 years of age had Mathusala. = this was 1,287 years after creation. And Mathusala at 167 years of age had Lamech. = this was 1,454 years after creation and Lamech at 88 years of age had Noah = this was 1,642 years after creation. in The Greek Septuagint - all of these numbers of this genealogy are totally different and contradicting the genealogy in The Masoretic Text of the historical Torah, although - the flood in The Septuagint the flood does began 600 years after Noah was born = “ 2,242 “ years after creation – and in The Masoretic Text of the historical Torah the flood begins at “ 1,656 “ years after creation - because the timeline or generations are totally different.

But in The Greek Septuagint - If we subtract the year “ 1,287 “ when Methuselah was born from the year “ 2,242 = when the flood came.
2,242
1,287-
- - - - - = - 955 - the math is completely off by 14 years. The Greek Septuagint says - Gen_5:26-27 - Mathusala died at 969 years - - - [COLOR=#ff0000]this is “ 14 “ [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]years of[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] difference. [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(204, 204, 204)] A total contradiction[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000].__[/COLOR]

In The Greek Septuagint - not only does the math not add up - but The Septuagint shows that - Mathusala literally [COLOR=#ff0000]lived 14 years[/COLOR] after / longer - when the flood had come ....

According to the math of The Septuagint - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Mathusala lived through the flood but was never on the ark.
This is the scriptures what people rely on to promote their faith about “ Sons OF God “ being called Angels[/COLOR]. But there are no manuscripts for The Greek Septuagint .... - People actually believe that that the changes in the Septuagint were made under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. And they were decided and hand - picked by " [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)]a Pagan Egyptian King " [/COLOR] with no manuscripts mentioned as to - from where the Septuagint was translated from. - - No Hebrew manuscripts have ever existed - for The Greek Septuagint - Yet people claim these manuscripts existed 250 years before Christ. They simply have absolutely no scriptures for their claims nor faith. This is why they added the Apocrypha books to The Greek Septuagint because it is nothing more than a manipulated book for people who wish to add pagan ideas to the Torah. - - Also, in The Masoretic Text of the historical Torah - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The Sons Of God are never once described as Angels. - - God said in the New Testament [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(209, 72, 65)] that no Angel[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] has never, ever been known - to be called His Son.[/COLOR]

All original manuscripts and early copies of the Old Testament have disappeared over time, because of wars, the destruction of the First and Second Temples), and other intentional destructions as the Jews were persecuted and Rome sought to destroy all manuscripts as the Jews were fleeing to Europe. - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] But the Jews did preserve their Torah,[/COLOR] these are - The Hebrew Masoretic Text of the historical Torah - ( the real Bible preserved by the Jewish civilizations ) with manuscripts that they have copied for the last 2000 years and preserved. And they are all in major agreement – which is why it shows that it has been preserved..... The Egyptian and Roman manuscripts do attempt to change the Hebrew Torah and the Egyptian and Roman manuscripts have[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] thousands upon thousands of major contradictions between them all.[/COLOR] They are filled with errors, changed verses and changed names of people - total contradictions and mathematical errors. And they all have no manuscripts from before 250- to 400 years after Christ and many of them are incomplete.

However in the Torah - The Hebrew Masoretic Text of the historical Bible of the Jews = in Job 38:7 - the word - “ [COLOR=#ff0000]Morning[/COLOR] “ - is the word - “ H1242 - [COLOR=#1966ff]בֹּקֶר[/COLOR] - bôqer “ where it says in - - - - Job 38:7 When the [COLOR=#ff0000]morning [/COLOR]stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
[COLOR=#ff0000]Morning[/COLOR] “ is the Hebrew word - [COLOR=#1966ff]בֹּקֶר[/COLOR] - bôqer / bo'-ker “ = Meaning = The dawn (as the break of day); morning: - (+) early day. [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) = [/COLOR]bôqer / bo'-ker

In - Job 38:7 - [COLOR=#ff0000]There [/COLOR]is no[COLOR=#ff0000] reason [/COLOR]for[COLOR=#ff0000] any Translators - [/COLOR]to “ ADD “ the word - - “ When “ - meaning = to say “ When “ - the morning stars. The word - “ When “ is not in the manuscripts.

To say - :7 “ When “ the morning stars sang together is a mistranslation and untruthful - and not in the manuscripts. The word “ [COLOR=#ff0000]When[/COLOR] “ was a word that was added - by the tanslators. - The SIMPLE bass or root word - Meaning to simply say - THE MORNING - is the Hebrew word ( THE -MORNING [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) - [/COLOR]When the manuscripts - add a time frame to this word - it takes on a different form of - ( [COLOR=#1966ff]הבקר[/COLOR] )

Here is a list of just a few verses where the simple ROOT / BASE and BASIC “ stem “ word in it's purest simply form where the verses simply says = ( [COLOR=#00cc00]THE[/COLOR] MORNING - or [COLOR=#00cc00]A[/COLOR] MORNING [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242 - [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ff0000]Job 24:17[/COLOR] For [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242 [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#545454]is[/COLOR] to them as the shadow of death:

Here in [COLOR=#ff0000]Dan 8:14[/COLOR] - The Trinitarian Translators completely [COLOR=#7030a0]deleted[/COLOR] the Hebrew word “ morning “ from this verse. -

In the manuscripts [COLOR=#ff0000]Dan 8:14[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000] says[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR]And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; in [COLOR=#00cc00]A[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242 [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] - the sanctuary will be cleansed. [COLOR=#ff0000]Gen 1 : 5,8,13, 19,23,31 - [/COLOR]And the evening and [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242 [/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] - were the, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth day.

The[COLOR=#00cc00] simple root form[/COLOR] of this word “ [COLOR=#00cc00]THE[/COLOR] MORNING “ appears [COLOR=#00cc00]six times[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#7030a0]every single time[/COLOR] - here in [COLOR=#ff0000]Gen 1 : 5,8,13,19 23,31 - as simply = [/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00]The[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] - in its original – base, root and simple form – to say simply “ a morning or the morning “

[COLOR=#ff0000]Exo 16:19[/COLOR] And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Lev 7:15[/COLOR] The same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ff0000]Lev 19:13[/COLOR] The wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]Lev 22:30[/COLOR] Ye shall leave none of it until - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] –
[COLOR=#ff0000]Lev 24:3[/COLOR] Shall Aaron order it from the evening unto - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) [/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Num 9:12[/COLOR] They shall leave none of it unto - [COLOR=#00cc00]the -[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] –
[COLOR=#ff0000]Num 16:5[/COLOR] The LORD will shew -...Even till - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR][COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) [/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Second Sam 23:4[/COLOR] [COLOR=#545454]when[/COLOR] the sun riseth, [COLOR=#545454]even[/COLOR] [COLOR=#00cc00]a[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] –
[COLOR=#ff0000]Isa 17:14[/COLOR] And behold at eveningtide trouble; [COLOR=#545454]and[/COLOR] before [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] – he [COLOR=#545454]is[/COLOR] not. - [COLOR=#ff0000]Isa 21:12[/COLOR] The watchman said, - [COLOR=#00cc00]The[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] – cometh,
[COLOR=#ff0000]Hos 6:4[/COLOR] O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what shall I do unto thee? for your goodness [COLOR=#545454]is[/COLOR] as - [COLOR=#00cc00]a[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) [/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Hos 7:6[/COLOR] Their baker sleepeth all the night; in - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54])[/COLOR] –
[COLOR=#ff0000]Hos 13:3[/COLOR] Therefore they shall be as - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#948a54]( [/COLOR]morning [COLOR=#00cc00]H1242[/COLOR] [COLOR=#1966ff]בקר[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#948a54]) [/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]Exo_14:27[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#00cc00]The [/COLOR]” morning [COLOR=#013dff]בקר [/COLOR][COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]2Sa_23:4[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] “ morning [COLOR=#013dff]בקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Num_9:21[/COLOR][COLOR=#208020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] “ morning [COLOR=#013dff]בקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242[/COLOR] “

When the word “ [COLOR=#013dff]בקר[/COLOR] - Morning “ takes on Adverb to be categorized as an adverb because it modifies a verb, and [COLOR=#22229c]adjective[/COLOR], or another adverb by indicating the[COLOR=#095bff] time [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]related to the noun or a pronoun[/COLOR]. – this Hebrew word “ [COLOR=#013dff]בקר[/COLOR] Morning “ - always changes into the form of the Hebrew word = “ [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] “ - to indicate a MODIFICATION that - modifies a verb, giving a stronger present, past and future tense indication or meaning - to say [COLOR=#095bff]WHEN[/COLOR] THE MORNING - or [COLOR=#095bff]UNTIL[/COLOR] THE MORNING or[COLOR=#095bff] FROM[/COLOR] THE MORNING of a certain time frame in the verse.. It also ties the word to a specific meaning - inflected by the noun or a pronoun. – making it a verb in the way the verb express identity, classification of present, past, and future tense as the existence in time related to the subject.

As we see - here are just a few verses out of many, many more verses where the word “ morning “ is changed to reflect the subject as related to time.
[COLOR=#013dff]Exo_14:27[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#ff0000]when[/COLOR] [COLOR=#00cc00]the[/COLOR] morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Exo_10:13[/COLOR] - [COLOR=#ff0000]when[/COLOR] the [COLOR=#7830bf]H1961[/COLOR] “ morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242[/COLOR] “ - [COLOR=#013dff]Mic 2:1[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]when [/COLOR] the morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Gen 44:3[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]As - soon[/COLOR] as the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#013dff]Exo 10:13[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]when [/COLOR] it was ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Exo 16:23[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]until [/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Exo 18:13[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]From[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Exo 29:34[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] – [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Unto [/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#013dff]Exo 29:41[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] – [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Of [/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Lev 9:17 - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Of[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Num 28:8[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Of[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Jdg 16:2[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]In[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#013dff]Rth 2:7[/COLOR] – [COLOR=#ff0000]From [/COLOR] the time of the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Rth 3:13[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]In[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Mic 2:1[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]When[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ - [/COLOR][COLOR=#013dff]Pro 7:18[/COLOR][COLOR=#802020] - [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Until[/COLOR] the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “[/COLOR]

The verse in Job 38:7 - never says - [COLOR=#ff0000]When[/COLOR] - the ” morning [COLOR=#013dff]הבקר[/COLOR] [COLOR=#7830bf]H1242 “ [/COLOR]stars. “

The Hebrew word in the manuscripts are simply - that _ [COLOR=#00cc00]The [/COLOR]” morning[COLOR=#013dff]בקר [/COLOR][COLOR=#7830bf]H1242[/COLOR] stars. “ sang together.
This is the simple base, root and common word to say – simply - [COLOR=#00cc00]The[/COLOR]” morning[COLOR=#013dff]בקר [/COLOR][COLOR=#7830bf]H1242[/COLOR] stars. “ sang.
Not WHEN - the morning stars. - Also, - The fact is - SATAN nor any Angel are never ever called or termed or labeled as “ stars “ anywhere in the entire Bible= in the Torah.
[COLOR=#5f6060]It is only - the humans who are called Stars ( and - Even Yahoshua, " God in flesh " ( and the human seed of Abraham ) is called the - ( Morning Star ) - Rev 22:16 I Jesus - am the root and [/COLOR][COLOR=#e25041]the [/COLOR][COLOR=#2969b0]offspring[/COLOR][COLOR=#e25041] of David, [/COLOR]and the bright and[COLOR=#e25041] morning star[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060].[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#5f6060]The Children of Abraham are called [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]stars[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] - Heb 11:12 Abraham’s seed are as the [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]stars[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] of the sky in multitude
Also - in Rev_12 the dragon and the woman are both depicted as bringing [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]stars[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] to the earth. These are humans who are in positions of importance, prominence and in conflict with one another. - Never are any Spiritual beings such as demons or heavenly angels referred to as a [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]star[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] in the Bible. Nor any humans born from a woman - referred to an [/COLOR][COLOR=#1966ff]Angel[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060] or [/COLOR][COLOR=#1966ff]Demon[/COLOR][COLOR=#5f6060].[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#ff0000]Gen 37:9[/COLOR] And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven [COLOR=#1966ff]star[/COLOR]s made obeisance to me.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Gen 37:10[/COLOR] And his brethren: and his father rebuked him, Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
[COLOR=#ff0000]Exo 32:13[/COLOR] Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, - I will multiply your seed as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven
[COLOR=#ff0000]Deu 1:10[/COLOR] The LORD your God hath multiplied you, and, behold, ye [COLOR=#545454]are[/COLOR] this day as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven for multitude.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Deu 10:22[/COLOR] OF Thy fathers .... The LORD thy God hath made thee as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven for multitude.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Jdg 5:19[/COLOR] The kings came [COLOR=#545454]and[/COLOR] fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money.[COLOR=#802020] :[/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]20[/COLOR] They fought from heaven; the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] in their courses fought against Sisera.
[COLOR=#ff0000]1Ch 27:23[/COLOR] But David took not the number of them from twenty years old and under: because the LORD had said he would increase Israel like to the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of the heavens.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Neh 9:23[/COLOR] Their children also multiplied thou as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven, and broughtest them into the land, concerning which thou hadst promised to their fathers, that they should go in to possess [COLOR=#545454]it.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ff0000]Isa 14:12[/COLOR] How art thou has fallen from heaven, as light, son of the morning! [COLOR=#545454]how[/COLOR] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[COLOR=#ff0000]Isa 14:13[/COLOR] For thou hast said in thine heart, ( the King of Babylon ) I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[COLOR=#ff0000]Dan 8:10[/COLOR] And it waxed great, ( the rough goat the king of Grecia: ) [COLOR=#545454]even[/COLOR] to the host of heaven; and it cast down [COLOR=#545454]some[/COLOR] of the host and of the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] to the ground, and stamped upon them.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Dan 12:2[/COLOR] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [COLOR=#545454]and[/COLOR] everlasting contempt. [COLOR=#ff0000]:3[/COLOR] And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] for ever and ever.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Oba 1:4[/COLOR] ( EDOM ) - Though thou exalt [COLOR=#545454]thyself[/COLOR] as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR], thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Nah 3:16[/COLOR] ( The bloody city ) Thou hast multiplied thy merchants above the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven: the cankerworm spoileth, and flieth away.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Heb 11:11[/COLOR] Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, [COLOR=#ff0000]:12[/COLOR] ..... [COLOR=#545454]so many[/COLOR] as the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 12:1[/COLOR] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR]:
[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 12:4[/COLOR] The great red dragon drew the third part of the [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 2:1[/COLOR] Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven [COLOR=#1966ff]stars[/COLOR] in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 22:16[/COLOR] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning [COLOR=#1966ff]star[/COLOR].
[COLOR=#00cc00]Morningstar[/COLOR], [COLOR=#00cc00]Son of the mornin[/COLOR]g And [COLOR=#00cc00]Rising in the morning[/COLOR]. In the Bible, the three terms and many, many, many " MORNING STAR " and " [COLOR=#7030a0]son of the[/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00] morning “ [/COLOR][COLOR=#7030a0]and[/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00] “ [/COLOR][COLOR=#7030a0]rising in the[/COLOR][COLOR=#00cc00] morning " and " MORNING “ [/COLOR][COLOR=#7030a0]STAGE TERM[/COLOR][COLOR=#7030a0]S[/COLOR] " are simply the SYMBOLIC allegoric meaning of the character and denotation and the illustration of the meaning. - - Meaning = To own or to control or dominate the early morning dawn of a history timeline context - or to have dominion at the beginning or start or onset of a beginning time. The dawn has a symbolic meaning of the first appearance of light in the sky before sunrise. "the new pink rose light of dawn" daybreak, sunrise, first light, daylight; - The meaning also means To begin, break, arrive, emerge or come into existence. "A new era or the beginning of a phenomenon or period of time, especially one considered favorable, dominating, controlling or first or primary control. - MORNING STAR " or " son of the morning Means The Origins of a primary, early or firstly originating place or eXistance. Having, obtaining owning and or eXisting as { BEING } “ The morning star “ or being “ The a son of the morning “ or “ rising in the morning " simply means to eXist at the beginning of a period or to possess a possession of rightfulness as of that at the first or original right of power.

We see this is the eXact meaning in other verse where these “ MORNING “ eXpressive phrases are used..

[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 2:26[/COLOR] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the [COLOR=#1966ff]morning star[/COLOR].
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[COLOR=#ff0000]Rev 22:16[/COLOR] I, Jesus, have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and [COLOR=#1966ff]morning star[/COLOR].
AND [COLOR=#ff0000]Psa 110:3[/COLOR] Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the [COLOR=#1966ff]morning [/COLOR]: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
And [COLOR=#ff0000]Eze 7:6[/COLOR] An end is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it :7 The [COLOR=#1966ff]morning[/COLOR] is come unto thee, O thou that dwellest in the land: the time is come, the day of trouble is near, and not the sounding again of the mountains.
And [COLOR=#ff0000]Hos 10:15[/COLOR] So shall Bethel do unto you because of your great wickedness: in a [COLOR=#1966ff]morning[/COLOR] shall the king of Israel utterly be cut off.

There are many hundreds of these eXact type of symbolic words that define momentous events and periods of time that are called " THE MORNING. " As - - The DAWNING OF THE AGE. - 1. rising in the morning " - 2. morning star- " - and - " - 3. son of the morning. - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] These words only apply ONLY to humans in the Bible[/COLOR]. There is simply no manuscripts that support the Theory, Fable and Doctrine that Job 38:7 [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]has any connection to anyone but humans[/COLOR]. Many Translators simply added, removed and changed many of the manuscripts to invent their personal teachings and theologies. And have absolutely - no manuscripts for their Pagan translations.

As the Greek Septuagint[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] has no manuscripts to show why or how it was changed and contrary to The Hebrew Masoretic Text[/COLOR] of the historical Bible of the Jews - [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] and all of these Bibles come from Rome and Egypt and never - have been found anywhere else on the planet – except for near Rome and Egypt until 600 – 900 years after Christ, when they were distribited then by Roman Catholics. ..[/COLOR] But The Hebrew Masoretic Text of the historical Bible that the Jewish people / civilization have preserved and copied – [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]are found to be in almost complete agreement and nearly identical - and are found all throughout the Middle East and throughout Europe going back for nearly 1000 years[/COLOR] of preservation of [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]the Jewish people themselves[/COLOR]. All other – are The Septuagint, The Vatican and The Egyptian Bibles that add Apocrypha books and change the Bible in many places to insert paganism from a historical pagan ideology - and contradictions. T[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]hey even contradict their own Bibles translations between themselves [/COLOR]– there are hundreds of contradicting verses and are most all incomplete and filled with changes and have errors in the genealogies with the years and time frame inaccuracies and mathematical errors.

Do we trust Rome and [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Egypt[/COLOR] - or do we trust the Hebrew people who God said that he will use to write and preserve the entire Bible, whose manuscripts are in agreement.. As the Greek Septuagint agrees with no manuscripts and [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]has[/COLOR] - no manuscripts. We know nothing about [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]where[/COLOR] they were translated from - unless we look and trust in the Apocrypha and the pagan world that was inserted into a Roman and Egyptian Government authority who were making these translations claiming them be the real Bible.
You can't find any manuscripts to back up these claims? Have you tried The Bible? Unless you use the Bible as your first/main manuscript you're way off to begin with. Don't become so involved in study that you miss the truth...and don't do your studies intellectually, allow the Holy Spirit to guide and teach you. If you do not, you will get little to no truth...

Well, it appears that The Greek Septuagint is an outline of the Bible, and includes few details of the events that occurred back then. I'm sure that you're aware that you need to use the bible as well?
 
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Thank You for responding.

I partly agree. However - The authors of The Greek Septuagint are supposed to have used the Holy Spirit to write the Greek Septuagint. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The original story was that they were locked in separate rooms and wrote the entire Greek Septuagint with no manuscripts as the Holy Spirit guided them. Another story claimed that all manuscripts of the entire Torah had { ALL } completely vanished from the face of the earth and one single man sat down and wrote the entire Torah from the inspiration of God. Another story says that they passed around a set of manuscripts around and took turns completing one another's progress alternating and exchanging the writing process of the Septuagint between all of them.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]But these stories and claims are all that exist for evidence / proof - that the Septuagint was written before Yahoshua.[/COLOR] - Rome and Egypt should have at least a handful of crumbled dust and rotten fragments of manuscripts to show for - concerning what they used to translate the Septuagint from. [COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)]But - Rome was the one who was actively destroying the Bible manuscripts of Christians and Jews - [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)] for the first 300 years after Yahoshua - [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]throughout the Mid East. Then when Rome Became Roman Catholic - it legally prohibited and criminalized - The TRANSLATION of the Bible being translated into another language, until nearly 2000 years after Christ. Only the Latin was allowed. [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(40, 50, 78)]What did they do with original manuscripts for nearly 2000 years. ?[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] - the obvious is very clear.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]But we have no set of any manuscripts anywhere that provide information showing from what - the [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Septuagint was translated from. No original manuscripts whatsoever. [/COLOR] We are to trust in the good faith of Rome and Egypt who promoted the Septuagint and who have totally conflicting various stories and myths about their authorship.

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The Bible is preserved in the majority texts; there are thousands upon thousands of copies that were found all over the world. The Alexandrian texts and the Septuagint manuscripts are only found near Rome and Egypt - until later centuries when the Catholic Church began to spread the Septuagint from Rome. - As - where the Majority Texts [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]are all [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]already[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] found throughout Europe and the Middle East...[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] God’s Word in the majority texts through the Hebrew Masoretic texts were preserved, handed down from generation to generation and copied throughout the centuries by the Jewish people and also Bible-believing Christians. THEY were scattered throughout Europe and the Middle East. - - This never happened with T[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]he [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Septuagint. [/COLOR][/COLOR]

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]T[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]he [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Septuagint source - was centered in and around Egypt and Rome and never found in Europe and the Middle East - UNTIL - it was later - " newly " - injected into the Christian / Catholic world about 600 years after Yahoshua. - - Meaning - There have been no discoveries of ancient[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Septuagint manuscripts until after the time that they were directly distributed by Roman Catholics. AND ONLY THEN AND ONLY BY THIS MEANS.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]

Most of the Majority Texts Manuscripts were either written or received in this area of the world. The New Testament Bible was copied by Christians who were persecuted and driven from the area and scattered throughout Europe. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Meanwhile, Rome and Egypt did their best to completely destroy the Bible while they attempted to produce alternative New Testament scriptures.[/COLOR] The Western Text such as the ( Septuagint ) is related to Rome and Alexandria Egypt... The Real Bible in Hebrew has been preserved and copied for thousands of years – to today. - - The Greek Majority Texts are the majority of manuscripts that were copied and, as a whole, preserves the pure Word of God. The texts are related to Antioch and were found scattered around the world. But Roman Catholics do not like these manuscripts because the need altered texts to coincide and relate to the STYLE OF WRITING and IDEOLOGY of their faith - that places doubt in the Bible and allows a Pope to interpret the Bible, while adding a many many other Apocrypha that they can jam into the body of a similar style of thought, pattern of thinking - and mentality, found in their Bibles.

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]T[/COLOR]he Western and Alexandrian / Roman texts are represented by a minority of manuscripts and corrupt the pure Word of God. The Syrian Text represents the great majority of manuscripts and, as a whole, preserves the pure Word of God.
 
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Thank You for responding.

I partly agree. However - The authors of The Greek Septuagint are supposed to have used the Holy Spirit to write the Greek Septuagint. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The original story was that they were locked in separate rooms and wrote the entire Greek Septuagint with no manuscripts as the Holy Spirit guided them. Another story claimed that all manuscripts of the entire Torah had { ALL } completely vanished from the face of the earth and one single man sat down and wrote the entire Torah from the inspiration of God. Another story says that they passed around a set of manuscripts around and took turns completing one another's progress alternating and exchanging the writing process of the Septuagint between all of them.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]But these stories and claims are all that exist for evidence / proof - that the Septuagint was written before Yahoshua.[/COLOR] - Rome and Egypt should have at least a handful of crumbled dust and rotten fragments of manuscripts to show for - concerning what they used to translate the Septuagint from. [COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)]But - Rome was the one who was actively destroying the Bible manuscripts of Christians and Jews - [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)] for the first 300 years after Yahoshua - [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]throughout the Mid East. Then when Rome Became Roman Catholic - it legally prohibited and criminalized - The TRANSLATION of the Bible being translated into another language, until nearly 2000 years after Christ. Only the Latin was allowed. [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(40, 50, 78)]What did they do with original manuscripts for nearly 2000 years. ?[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] - the obvious is very clear.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]But we have no set of any manuscripts anywhere that provide information showing from what - the [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Septuagint was translated from. No original manuscripts whatsoever. [/COLOR] We are to trust in the good faith of Rome and Egypt who promoted the Septuagint and who have totally conflicting various stories and myths about their authorship.

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The Bible is preserved in the majority texts; there are thousands upon thousands of copies that were found all over the world. The Alexandrian texts and the Septuagint manuscripts are only found near Rome and Egypt - until later centuries when the Catholic Church began to spread the Septuagint from Rome. - As - where the Majority Texts [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]are all [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]already[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] found throughout Europe and the Middle East...[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] God’s Word in the majority texts through the Hebrew Masoretic texts were preserved, handed down from generation to generation and copied throughout the centuries by the Jewish people and also Bible-believing Christians. THEY were scattered throughout Europe and the Middle East. - - This never happened with T[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]he [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Septuagint. [/COLOR][/COLOR]

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]T[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]he [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Septuagint source - was centered in and around Egypt and Rome and never found in Europe and the Middle East - UNTIL - it was later - " newly " - injected into the Christian / Catholic world about 600 years after Yahoshua. - - Meaning - There have been no discoveries of ancient[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Septuagint manuscripts until after the time that they were directly distributed by Roman Catholics. AND ONLY THEN AND ONLY BY THIS MEANS.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]

Most of the Majority Texts Manuscripts were either written or received in this area of the world. The New Testament Bible was copied by Christians who were persecuted and driven from the area and scattered throughout Europe. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Meanwhile, Rome and Egypt did their best to completely destroy the Bible while they attempted to produce alternative New Testament scriptures.[/COLOR] The Western Text such as the ( Septuagint ) is related to Rome and Alexandria Egypt... The Real Bible in Hebrew has been preserved and copied for thousands of years – to today. - - The Greek Majority Texts are the majority of manuscripts that were copied and, as a whole, preserves the pure Word of God. The texts are related to Antioch and were found scattered around the world. But Roman Catholics do not like these manuscripts because the need altered texts to coincide and relate to the STYLE OF WRITING and IDEOLOGY of their faith - that places doubt in the Bible and allows a Pope to interpret the Bible, while adding a many many other Apocrypha that they can jam into the body of a similar style of thought, pattern of thinking - and mentality, found in their Bibles.

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]T[/COLOR]he Western and Alexandrian / Roman texts are represented by a minority of manuscripts and corrupt the pure Word of God. The Syrian Text represents the great majority of manuscripts and, as a whole, preserves the pure Word of God.
Interesting...All of this makes the Septuagint highly suspect...I would not use it at all if its untrustworthy as you indicate...I will stick with the Bible. Thank you for confirming my impression of the Septuagint, tt's incomplete, inaccurate and not worth reading.
 
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The Septuagint *is* the Bible. It's the Old Testament translated from Hebrew to Ancient Greek. It's the translation of the Old Testament that Paul quotes in his letters. You won't be reading it unless you have excellent Ancient Greek.

The translation conventions of the Septuagint have influenced the translation into Latin and, later, the English translations.
 
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The Septuagint *is* the Bible. It's the Old Testament translated from Hebrew to Ancient Greek. It's the translation of the Old Testament that Paul quotes in his letters. You won't be reading it unless you have excellent Ancient Greek.

The translation conventions of the Septuagint have influenced the translation into Latin and, later, the English translations.
You fail to convince here...
 

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