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Ga. Student Fights Expulsion Over Beliefs

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How we deal with members of the Church who sin is different to how we treat unbelievers. A member of the Church who is caught in sin is instructed, and counselled to stop sinning, and then if they persist they are put out of the Church for a time until repentant.

1Co 5:9-13 NKJV I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. (10) Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. (11) But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person. (12) For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? (13) But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "PUT AWAY FROM YOURSELVES THE EVIL PERSON."

Loving sinners doesn't mean accepting their sin. Jesus didn't discriminate and healed everyone who came to him. We know Jesus didn't tolerate any sin.

Mat 4:23-24 NKJV And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people. (24) Then His fame went throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all sick people who were afflicted with various diseases and torments, and those who were demon-possessed, epileptics, and paralytics; and He healed them.

Yes precautions should be taken.

1Co 9:27 NKJV But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

Yes it's annoying a person cannot speak the truth but there is also a time to speak and a time to keep silent. Our motivation in dealing with unbelievers is to present the gospel and the Holy Spirit will convict a repentant heart of sin.

Yes this is sad and annoying.

The prevalence of sin in the world is very sad.

Can you provide some scriptures to show how Jesus love was conditional ?

Please post the parable. I'm not sure how we can remove an unbelieving sinner.
We are taught to remove a sinning believer from the Church but how do we remove a sinning unbeliever ?

Yes all sin is wrong and we are very fortunate God is patient.

2Pe 3:9 NKJV The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

He suffered long with Noah's unrepentant generation for 120 years before bringing the flood.

1Pe 3:18-20 NKJV For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, (19) by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, (20) who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

God will indeed destroy the wicked in His time and it's our calling to spread the Gospel and pluck as many from the fire as possible. Our motivation is the salvation of sinners.
Good Morning:

You got me....lets clear that up first. The parable it seems is a human one. Jesus did not say it. This is a part of my learned sayings and I improperly applied it. It is called getting ones wires crossed. I like all can be stupid. Pretty good at it sometimes. Lol!

In regards to how to cast out a sinner, all I can say is how I view things. And casting them out, or being mean or other things that are just as much of a sin as the sin in question is not what I am saying.

So look at it this way. And let us use the sin of homosexuality as it is the topic of discussion, but it can be any obvious sin. And also may sins are not on the surface and not at all obvious. But anyways let say we do know for sure that a person is homosexual and they admit it. The flaunt it , wear earings and invite us to participate in the gay pride march. The tell us that God loves us all and also loves homosexuals and that all homosexuals are loved by God and homosexuality is not a sin. That is is simply prejudice and unrelenting bigotry of men that is the sin. This is the viewpoint of the world for the most part at the present time .

I as me, will tell them that this sexual perversion is against the law and wishes of God. That it holds many consequences and will result in deliberate and unrepentant sin and eternal life is not possible with this . But they can turn from it and accept God and be forgiven and all will be on an even keel.

At this point it is their choice, you see they have free will just like I have. I can tell them the truth, I can tolerate it for a time, but not for a long time and if they refuse to turn away, to seek God and acknowledge the truth then I am done with them. In other words they are not going to be invited to my home, nor will I wish them to be around me or in any way be able to influence me or mine. They know the truth, as not only have I told them but God also speaks to them, so it is their choice.

My protest is that sin is accepted so easily that it is never pushed away. No matter what it is , the modern religion says turn the other cheek, love is unconditional and just keep it up, and God will take care of it.
Well God wants us to take care of it. He wants us to use common sense and not unconditionally accept sin and keep inviting it into our lives and society. This does not mean to be mean, or violent or act the fool like the Westboro Babtist Church does......but it does mean to not allow constant sin to become a part of your life by allowance and total toleration of it.

Just like an employee that you catch using drugs and filling up his personal vehicle on the company gas card, the first time you discuss it with them, depends on the situation, but there is no second time.
Mercy was shown the first time . I do not have to let sin walk all over me.

Hope this explains my way. I am very frustrated at the liberal acceptance of sin in the world of today. All sin. It is in some ways rewarded.

A little joke......if I was homeless and starving I would go attack a police officer.....smack him one......I would have a warm place to sleep and three meals a day......no I would not want to go to jail due to all the other bad things there, but you get the idea.

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Regarding the Ephesians passage, whom do you think it is talking to? It is speaking to born-again Christians, is it not? Those are the people who receive grace and are saved.

You make it sound like unconditional love means everybody automatically gets the grace in Ephesians 2. If not, then I don't see the point of your posting that verse in connection with God's unconditional love.

I have already stated to you that I believe God has unconditional love for all people. That unconditional love was expressed in Jesus dying for us on the cross and bearing our sins for us. We didn't ask Him to, He did it because of His amazing love, not willing that any should perish, etc.

As such, any sinner, homosexual or otherwise, that turns to God and renounces his sin, will receive the rich mercy, love and grace that is being promised in
Ephesians 2:4-5 and John 3:16 .
Actually I see what you are saying. It is you that doesn't
see where my posts for unconditional love have stemmed
from. You said in an earlier post:

She is treated by her own as a social pariah (She merely has a different opinion than others!), while we are quick to defend and extend love toward unrepentant sinners. What's wrong with that picture?????

The thing is, she was not being put down at all. She
should have known the rules of professionalism that
comes with her career. If she wanted to still talk
about her faith, which isn't a bad thing, many people
become Christian counselors. Why? Most of the time,
it is for the very reason this woman is going to court.

Also, you say that people are quick to extend love
toward unrepentant sinners as if it were something
that should not have been done. Jesus has something
different to say about that. That was the point of
my posts. My posts had nothing to do with whether
or not a homosexual gets saved. I believe in unconditional
love for everyone, but I do believe in proclaiming
Jesus as your savior (faith) to be saved, to go to
Heaven. I believe in a God of justice. And as far as
grace goes, grace is defined as unmerited favor. It is
mercy shown to someone who is undeserving of favor.
That is everything I believe laid out on the table.
Now I hope you understand where all my love posts
are directed to.
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