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Flesh and Blood Does Not Inherit the Kingdom of God - I Cor 15:50

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I Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Thus, Romans 12:2 "Be transformed (metamorphoō ) by the renewing of your mind" - Just as Jesus was transfigured (metamorphoō ) in Matthew 17:2.
 
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Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
 
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Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Yes, imagine the righteousness, peace and joy, once you're transfigured and have inherited the Kingdom of God.
 
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Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
What does the term 'At hand" mean?

Mat_12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Did Jesus cast out devils
Mat_16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Luk_10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you

Luk 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.
Luk 12:30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.
Luk 12:31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Would we be seeking food and drink after transfiguration ?

Luk_17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
 
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Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
What does the term 'At hand" mean?

Mat_12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Did Jesus cast out devils
Mat_16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Luk_10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you

Luk 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.
Luk 12:30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.
Luk 12:31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Would we be seeking food and drink after transfiguration ?

Luk_17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Those are all familiar Kingdom verses, nice job. The verse at hand, rarely to never taught though, is I Cor 15:50 - it helps establish what 'entering the kingdom' means, when taking the context into the analysis.
 
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1Cor 15:50 . . I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God

That's a curious statement because Christ's followers are currently citizens of the
kingdom even now, in this life, while they are yet flesh and blood.

Col 1:12-13 . . Giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the
inheritance of the saints in light. For He delivered us from the domain of darkness,
and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved son.
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1Cor 15:50 . . I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God

That's a curious statement because Christ's followers are currently citizens of the
kingdom even now, in this life, while they are yet flesh and blood.

Col 1:12-13 . . Giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the
inheritance of the saints in light. For He delivered us from the domain of darkness,
and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved son.
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Once you understand that salvation is in 3 phases - "spirit, soul and body", then the curious mystery is easily solved.
Especially once the context is elucidated:

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O[n] Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”

Which is why Paul wrote to the christians in Rome - "Be transformed (transfigured) BY the renewing of your mind" - Rom 12:2
 
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Be transformed (transfigured) BY the renewing of your mind" - Rom 12:2
I'm familiar with that passage in Romans and as far as I can tell, its context has
nothing to do with the context of 1Cor 15:50.

In point of fact, 1Cor 15:50 is embedded in a section of Paul's teachings about the
characteristics of a new body rather than a new mind.

There's an important difference in the meaning of a couple of key words too. The
Greek word translated "transformed" means to be transfigured, like when a
caterpillar becomes a butterfly. The caterpillar's butterfly body isn't a new body; it's
his same old body undergone reconfiguration. Like when Jesus was transfigured.
Peter and John recognized him as the same Jesus; only that the chemistry of his
body was reconfigured to make him shine like a firefly. ( a really bright firefly )

In contrast; the Greek word translated "changed" in 1Cor 15:51-52 doesn't speak of
reconfiguration, rather, it speaks of replacement, viz: a swap, i.e. nothing is kept
from the original body to make up the new body. In other words; the new body
isn't a renovation of one's natural body; it's actually a whole other body: in point of
fact, a supernatural body.
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I'm familiar with that passage in Romans and as far as I can tell, its context has
nothing to do with the context of 1Cor 15:50.

In point of fact, 1Cor 15:50 is embedded in a section of Paul's teachings about the
characteristics of a new body rather than a new mind.

There's an important difference in the meaning of a couple of key words too. The
Greek word translated "transformed" means to be transfigured, like when a
caterpillar becomes a butterfly. The caterpillar's butterfly body isn't a new body; it's
his same old body undergone reconfiguration. Like when Jesus was transfigured.
Peter and John recognized him as the same Jesus; only that the chemistry of his
body was reconfigured to make him shine like a firefly. ( a really bright firefly )

In contrast; the Greek word translated "changed" in 1Cor 15:51-52 doesn't speak of
reconfiguration, rather, it speaks of replacement, viz: a swap, i.e. nothing is kept
from the original body to make up the new body. In other words; the new body
isn't a renovation of one's natural body; it's actually a whole other body: in point of
fact, a supernatural body.
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I disagree. Romans 12:2 has everything to do with I Cor 15. It's all about our metamorphosis.
It's easy to stray away from the OP, let's get back to it:
Since "flesh and blood does not inherit the Kingdom", then it has to be transfigured, from Terrestrial to Celestial - Paul outlined this earlier in the context:
I Cor 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
 
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The OP is grossly convoluted, which is why I felt compelled to take the initiative to
correct it.
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Grossly convuluted?
I saw no correction, only that you did not agree.
Looking closer at Romans 12: 1-2

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

So Paul is talking about the physical body -

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Paul is talking to 'christians' here whose spirits have already been renewed by regeneration:
Romans 1:7: To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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The OP is grossly convoluted, which is why I felt compelled to take the initiative to
correct it.
The OP is also a futile attempt to force the subjects of two very unique topical
verses to say the same thing instead of letting them teach what the apostle
intended.
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The OP is also a futile attempt to force the subjects of two very unique topical
verses to say the same thing instead of letting them teach what the apostle
intended.
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How so?
I see personal thoughts, but no breaking down of what the two verses in the OP say. Let's look at them again, and tell me from your extensive experience in scripture, why they differ?

I Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Thus, Romans 12:2 "Be transformed (metamorphoō ) by the renewing of your mind" -
Just as Jesus was transfigured (metamorphoō ) in Matthew 17:2.
 
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Once you understand that salvation is in 3 phases - "spirit, soul and body", then the curious mystery is easily solved.
Especially once the context is elucidated:

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O[n] Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”

Which is why Paul wrote to the christians in Rome - "Be transformed (transfigured) BY the renewing of your mind" - Rom 12:2

Salvation is of three parts -- justification -- sanctification -- glorification.
 
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1Cor 15:50 . . I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God

That's a curious statement because Christ's followers are currently citizens of the
kingdom even now, in this life, while they are yet flesh and blood.

Col 1:12-13 . . Giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the
inheritance of the saints in light. For He delivered us from the domain of darkness,
and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved son.
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Hi Beetow,

Paul explains the statement when he says neither does corruption inherit interruption. He's contrasting two states of being, one is corruptible the other isn't. He's not saying that the people in the Kingdom won't be flesh and blood
 
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1Cor 15:50 . . I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God

That's a curious statement because Christ's followers are currently citizens of the
kingdom even now, in this life, while they are yet flesh and blood.

Col 1:12-13 . . Giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the
inheritance of the saints in light. For He delivered us from the domain of darkness,
and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved son.
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Yes, it relates to the being, one of corruption and one of incorruption. He compares corruption with incorruption and mortality with immortality. Now, believers are corruptible and mortal, in the Resurrection they will be incorruptible and immortal.
 
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