Thank you for responding to my post.
Please keep in mind that when we open the manuscripts and see the basic layout of the Greek words found in, John 5 :18 - word for word exactly.
BY THIS THEN MORE SOUGHT HIM, THE JEWS TO KILL, THAT NOT ONLY BREAKING THE SABBATH BUT ALSO THE FATHER IS HIS OWN, SAYING THE GOD EQUALED HIMSELF, MAKING HIM GOD.
Honestly, I would not want to add my alternative ideas and narratives by inserting or popping in - adding - my own personal contributing involvement into the Bible narrative.
The Bible is a book that organizations of the government have done nothing - but write doodle articles, documentaries, publications and thesis about this very book, while waiting for nearly 2000 years before they actually translate the book ?
And simultaneously - banning, outlawing, prohibiting and making illegal the translation of the book for nearly 2000 years, under the punishment of the death penalty and severe torture - while doing absolutely nothing - but - writing personal publications and publishing articles about the book - instead of actually translating it.
These many publications, written documentaries, commentary and articles are the writing of who are called - the church fathers, these written documents are thousands of pages of descriptions about the bible - yet the organizations never actually translate the book until nearly 2000 years after the book was actually written.
I was hoping that a brilliant mind, such as yourself could take a close look at the message in John 5 :18 - and see if this message does say that Yahoshua did say that the Father was his own personally. - By him saying - “ The father is my own “ in direct conjunction to relating to himself there, taking full authority, complete dominion and power - over - to decide for himself “ The Laws Concerning The Sabbath “ - to have the last words of authority, to make law and declare that he has full control over the Sabbath Law. After saying this, he related all of this, declaring the statement “ The father is my own “
Regardless of what he intended to mean in this particular small statement – we see that the Jews wanted to kill him because by saying all of these things - to the Jews, these statements about the Sabbath relating to basing the authority to saying “
The father is my ownership “ possession “ this claim - equivocated him directly - saying “ THE GOD EQUALED HIMSELF, MAKING HIM GOD “
NOT ONLY BREAKING THE SABBATH - BUT ALSO THE FATHER IS HIS OWN.
BY THIS THEN MORE SOUGHT HIM, THE JEWS TO KILL, SAYING THE GOD EQUALED HIMSELF, MAKING HIM GOD.
I was not there and am not as fluent in Hebrew as the Jews were at this time - perhaps being mainly an English speaker, maybe I would have not taken his statement to directly mean what the Jews around him had interpreted him to have meant. However, he said it in such a way that there was no doubt, no question in the mind of the Jews – that he was saying he was equal with the father in the determination of the Sabbath Law. He somehow led them to believe that he thought of himself as the same authority of the Father.
Claiming to be a son of God was nothing new to the Jews, the Jews already believed that the servants of God are also called the “ Sons And Daughters Of God “
The Jews were not - “ Muslims “ or Trinitarians - they believed God was a father for thousands of years. Yet the Muslims and Trinitarians would attempt to convince people that this idea was something completely new and invented by the understanding of their own organizations prophecies, revelations and spiritual conventions in scriptural rendering. BUT - they already accepted that they were SONS OF GOD - God was their father. This was nothing new. !
This was never a problem that Yahoshua had with the Jews. Calling yourself a son of God is not anything new or rare in the bible. Yet if we read the Trinitarian Translation, we are led to believe that the Jews were upset because Yahoshua made a slip of the tongue and blasphemed God by saying that God was his father. This is completely absurd and perverse to even imagine..
The idea of the servants of God - are called the “ SONS OF GOD “ this teaching and clear understanding is all throughout the entire Old Testament. Here are at least 78 verses that show that the Jews believed undoubtedly that they all were sons and daughters of God.
And the term “ SON OF GOD “ is mentioned at least - 78 times in the New Testament and 12 times in the Old.
The term “ SON OF GOD “ is mentioned at least - 12 times in the Old Testament = Gen 6:4, -- Job 1:6, 2:1, -- Job 38:7 -- Rom8:14, 19, -- Phlp 2:15, -- 1Joh 3:1 – 2 -- 2Co_6:18
Here The Bible defines what it means to be a SON OF GOD = Hos 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Also = Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
And = 1Ch 22:8 But the word of the LORD came to King David – saying that Solomon :10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be My own( Gods ) Son, and I will be his Father.
And = 1Ch 28:6 And ( The Lord ) said unto me David, -concerning Solomon thy son, I - ( GOD ) have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father.
And = Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
To change the original layout of the manuscript and - re – arrange the words, add words, delete words and switch words and passages around to mold and conform to a new idea nearly 2000 years after the book was written - this tells us exactly why done nothing was done with the bible - outside of the production of thousands of written doodelitic articles, documentaries, publications and writing spiritual thesis - about the book, while waiting for nearly 2000 years before they actually translate the book.
My earnest goal is to only reflect the original message. I hope this answers any underlying questions for what is always my understanding of my original thought.
Concerning the idea of the Holy Spirit not being addressed in the bible as a “ HE “ / male. I quiet sure that even the European Translators have no problem labeling the Holy Spirit as a male = “ HE “
Also in Joh 14:26 - the translators define the Holy Spirit as a “ MALE SEX “ = HE.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
My only understanding about this is exactly what the bible says, God is a spirit and is invisible and God does not differentiate, set apart or distinguish a difference between himself who “ himself is a spirit “ and the Trinitarian “ HOLY SPIRIT “
We know that Yahoshua had females, women who he was friendly and honorable in his relationship. But what we notice is that Yahoshua spoke to them in the scriptures, they show that it was much more than just casual conversations and relationships as normal boundaries of friendship. He spoke to them with authority and purpose concerning his identity.
Mat 26:50 And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.
Luk 10:41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: :42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: :26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Joh 11:39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. :40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: :26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
FINALLY - IN - CONCLUSION……
Can we declare that - We are so thankful that God's Holy Spirit has come down to us in the form or morph of his precious son.
May we rest assured that - In John Chapter 8: - Yahoshua tells us three beautiful things here …
i COME OUT FROM THE GOD - i COME NOT ALSO FROM / OF MYSELF - i COME NEITHER MYSELF I - SENT -
How I love the understanding - that Yahoshua and his saving blood was never a mere separate, distinct, individual PERSON from God -
He and his saving blood was not a mere “ departing exiting FORM “ nor MORPH * of his OWN pre - existence. - - or not even a departed FORM or MORPH of his own self " himself. "
This is the most amazing salvation that God has given, for God to morph / form - himself and lower himself from what he existed as and step down in humility and become a man, in submission to the Holy Spirit of God that conceived him.
For almighty Father and Creator - The God to CHANGE his FORM, modify and change / alter himself from that which he was - and lower himself and take on the form of - in the morph / form of God and lowered Himself and became a servant of GOD and was changed, lowered and moved and altered - to sit " in " the right of God - until his enemies were a footstool. This is Yahoshua, The Anointing / Christ - The Blood of the Holy Spirit - the Anointing,
The Holy Spirit Of The Invisible Father,- the blood of the lamb sitting in the throne of God the Father and Creator, OUT FROM GOD- returning from where he exited OUT from.
This is a wonderful salvation - that God answers the question, explaining the very reason was that he said to have moved or - to have changed his form and altered himself stepping down - lowering himself as only a servant of God - to sit in the Right of God - until - such and such a time.- is because this is not where he already pre - existed - nor was nor had always existed nor will always exist.
When Yahoshua, he returns from out of the Father, will the invisible spirit EVER EVEN HAVE ANY NEED - to speak, saying to himself " My right is another co equal - co eternal and another distinct separate distinct person besides me. ?
John 8:42
i COME OUT FROM THE GOD -
i COME NOT ALSO FROM - OF MYSELF -
i COME NEITHER MYSELF I - SENT -
- εγω I - γαρ FOR - εκ FROM - ου THE - θεου GOD - εξηλθον CAME OUT, - και ALSO - ηκω COME - ουδε NOT - γαρ ALSO - απ OF - εμαυτου MYSELF - εληλυθ COME, - αλλ NEITHER - εκεινος MYSELF - με I - απεστειλεν SENT.
“ We see the creating spirit with the ability to depart – exit and take out a portion of its spirit and go down to earth and FORM “ and MORPH itself into a man by conceiving itself in the womb of a woman.
Why inject the idea that - this man, the spirit and identity and origin of this human - is a separated transformed and morphed representation or manifestation of his OWN individual seperated pre - existence as another separate distinct person of a triplet Godhead - or even a departed, pre existing, seperate person, as a form or MORPH of his own self " himself. " separate with God ?
Yahoshua denied this in every single last way possible.
John 8:42
i COME OUT FROM THE GOD -
i COME NOT ALSO FROM - OF MYSELF -
i COME NEITHER MYSELF I - SENT -
I have no power of miracles, no will of my own, I can do absolutely nothing of mine own self –
He has no power, No control, No miracles, No knowledge and there is no good and honor in Him . . Saying - why do you call me " good " ? -- There is no one good but God alone.
Is this why whenever - Yahoshua said you must eat the flesh _ and drink his blood - He directed them to understand that his physical body is of no value, no profit, meaningless - but it is the WORD that he speaks - this is what they are to digest and eat. This is why he is called - THE ANOINTING. / Christ. His identity is neither male or female - AND THERE IS NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE - to believers who are in Yahoshua, The Anointing. The Holy Spirit. How more clear can this be ?
