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Faith in the storm - again

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Mat 14:22; Immediately He made the disciples get into the boat and go ahead of Him to the other side, while He sent the crowds away.
Mat 14:23; After He had sent the crowds away, He went up on the mountain by Himself to pray; and when it was evening, He was there alone.
Mat 14:24; But the boat was already a long distance from the land, battered by the waves; for the wind was contrary.
Mat 14:25; And in the fourth watch of the night He came to them, walking on the sea.

It's interesting... this story starts off with... "He made the disciples get into the boat and go ahead of Him to the other side"

It seems it wasn't really the disciples idea to get into the boat and cross the lake. They did this because Jesus "made" them. Now I would suppose this really means He asked them to do this. Of course being His followers, they did what He told them do. Can you really claim to be a "follower" of someone if you don't do what they tell you to do? Why did Jesus tell them to go ahead of Him? For that matter how was He going to get to the other side of the lake?

The obvious answer is... "He went up on the mountain by Himself to pray" ... "He was there alone"
Sometimes even Jesus needed alone time with the Father. If Jesus is our example, maybe we also need some "alone" time with the Father. There is a whole sermon that could be taught on this subject alone.

In verse 24 we see the boat was "already a long distance" from the shore. Now it is being battered by the waves and the wind. Why is it, it seems the storms always come up when we are far from the shore? Have you ever noticed? Now the disciples hadn't done anything wrong here. In fact it was Jesus who "made" them get in the boat and go across the lake. Sometimes... even when we are doing what God tells us to do.. the storms still come. They come for different reasons, and there was a reason for this particular storm as we will see.

I find it interesting, Job wasn't doing anything wrong, the Bible says he was "blameless before the Lord". ..and yet the storms and testing came.
David was picked by God to become king of Israel, and yet... most of the early years of his "kingship" he spent running from Saul and hiding in caves. He was doing what God called him to do... but still the testing and trials came.
Paul was doing what God called him to do... and yet... Paul says...

2 Cor 11:23; Are they servants of Christ?—I speak as if insane—I more so; in far more labors, in far more imprisonments, beaten times without number, often in danger of death.
2 Cor 11:24; Five times I received from the Jews thirty-nine lashes.
2 Cor 11:25; Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have spent in the deep.
2 Cor 11:26; I have been on frequent journeys, in dangers from rivers, dangers from robbers, dangers from my countrymen, dangers from the Gentiles, dangers in the city, dangers in the wilderness, dangers on the sea, dangers among false brethren;
2 Cor 11:27; I have been in labor and hardship, through many sleepless nights, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure.

Sometimes, even when we are doing what God tells us to do... that doesn't mean life will be easy.

Back to the boat. The boat is "far from land". And of course that's when the storm hits. When we are far from a "safe place". The storm usually don't come while we are at home in front of the fireplace with a cup of hot chocolate. The storm doesn't happen in the middle of the day with the sun shining. It happens at "the fourth watch". This was between 3am and 6am when it's still dark. Was there a full moon that night? I don't know but it could be possible the storm clouds hid it.

... and in the midst of the storm... Jesus comes walking toward the boat.

... to be continued ...
 
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Mat 14:26; When the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were terrified, and said, "It is a ghost!" And they cried out in fear.
Mat 14:27; But immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, "Take courage, it is I; do not be afraid."
Mat 14:28; Peter said to Him, "Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water."

I think it's interesting here... the disciples have been with Jesus for quite a while, and yet here they don't recognize Him. At least not yet.
They think he is "a ghost". It's funny how our minds can think of fearful things when we are in the storm. I wonder how many times God is coming to our rescue
and we don't recognize who He is? Maybe we even think that it's something to be afraid of.

But Jesus tells them... "it is I"... "do not be afraid". Once we figure out Jesus is coming to help us. We should feel better. We should feel more secure.
It seems perhaps some of the disciples did. In fact Peter works up enough courage to ask Jesus to let him out of the water.

"Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water."

This has to be one of the more profound statements in the Bible. The first part of the sentence is a question of sorts....
"Jesus... if it's really you". Sometimes we aren't sure if it's really Jesus coming to save us. It's good to make sure that the person coming to help you
is really someone who can help you. There are stories of rescue boats that went out to save people, and the rescue boat itself was lost at sea.

The second part of this sentence... "command me to come to you". Peter wasn't afraid to "tell" Jesus what to do. Now I suspect this was really a request
more than a command, but the point here is... sometimes it's Ok to ask God for specific direction. Peter wanted confirmation, so he asked for something only Jesus
could make him do. (walk on water). Peter specifically asks Jesus to "let me come to you.... ON THE WATER". He didn't ask for another boat. He asked for something
only Jesus could do.

... to be continued ...
 
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Testing and trials...to see if we are faithful? Satan does his best to get us off track doesnt he?
 
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Mat 14:29; And He said, "Come!" And Peter got out of the boat, and walked on the water and came toward Jesus.

Mat 14:30; But seeing the wind, he became frightened, and beginning to sink, he cried out, "Lord, save me!"
Mat 14:31; Immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and took hold of him, and *said to him, "You of little faith, why did you doubt?"
Mat 14:32; When they got into the boat, the wind stopped.
Mat 14:33; And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God's Son!"

Now I've read a few web article and books about this particular passage. It seems most everyone criticizes Peter for sinking.
They focus on Jesus saying.. "you of little faith". But I think they are missing it.

Verse 29 says... Peter got out of the boat. Out of the frying pan and into the fire as the saying goes. The storm is still raging
when Peter gets out of the boat. Peter had the faith to get out of boat. He had the faith to take that first step.
Sometimes we are afaid of being in the boat. Sometimes we want out of the situation we are in. But yet... we are afraid to take
that first step that would take us away from that situation. Many times fear keeps us in the boat, even though we are already afraid of
the place we are in.

It actually says... "and walked on the water..." I don't know how far he got. Maybe it was a hundred yards, maybe it was just a few steps.
But at least he tried... and he even succeeded, at least for a while. I have to wonder if Jesus was really pleased at that particular moment.
Without faith it is impossible to please God.... we know that... we quote it... but when it gets time to get out of the boat... we stay there.

I have to ask myself.... those people who wrote these commentaries about Peters faith. Have they ever walked on water?
John McArthur, John Maxwell, Benny Hinn, R.C.Sproul, pick whoever you like... whether you agree with them or not.... have they ever walked on water?
If not... maybe they have less faith than Peter... the one they are criticizing.

With that in mind... have you ever walked on water? Maybe not real a real river or lake... but have you done the "ridiculous".
Without attempting the ridiculous, a miracle cannot happen. If we don't attempt the impossible, will we ever see a miracle? Jesus didn't do
many miracles in His hometown, because of their "unbelief". Have you ever gotten "out of the boat" .. and taken that first step?

Even though Peter's faith may not have gotten him all the way to Jesus, Jesus was there to meet him when he started sinking.
Jesus lifted him back up. Sometimes we have to actually practice the art of walking towards Jesus. We need to take a step or two on
our own before Jesus will reach out to save us. Peter didn't wait for Jesus to get to the boat. Sometimes we sit in the boat wondering why
Jesus never shows up when He is just a few feet away waiting for us to take those first few steps towards Him. He will meet you half way.
Probably even 99% of the way in some cases. But you have to take that first step.

In those times... when Jesus finally takes our hand and the storms are over.... will He look at you and say "oh you of little faith, why did you doubt"?
We all do it sometimes, I have been there too. And yet, there have been times in my life... where I did take that first step towards Him.

It's in THOSE moments... "those" moments... that our faith grows. Not only ours, but the people around us. Those who were in the boat...
those who saw this.... worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God's Son!"
 
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I have walked on ice..thats just frozen water right? And snow.
But Im a terrible swimmer. I dont know if I could have done what Peter did (walk ON the water that wasnt even frozen) but he was pretty amazing to totally trust in Jesus. We can all learn from Peter. To get out of the boat out of our comfort zones and take a leap (or walk) of faith. Because Jesus is there to meet you.
 
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It actually says... "and walked on the water..." I don't know how far he got. Maybe it was a hundred yards, maybe it was just a few steps.
But at least he tried... and he even succeeded, at least for a while. I have to wonder if Jesus was really pleased at that particular moment.
Without faith it is impossible to please God.... we know that... we quote it... but when it gets time to get out of the boat... we stay there.

I have to ask myself.... those people who wrote these commentaries about Peters faith. Have they ever walked on water?
John McArthur, John Maxwell, Benny Hinn, R.C.Sproul, pick whoever you like... whether you agree with them or not.... have they ever walked on water?
If not... maybe they have less faith than Peter... the one they are criticizing.

With that in mind... have you ever walked on water? Maybe not real a real river or lake... but have you done the "ridiculous".
Without attempting the ridiculous, a miracle cannot happen.
Jesus told them to walk on water. Peter obeyed. He then took his focus off Jesus and put it on the water. I don't see at as a test / lesson on faith. I see it as a lesson on obedience to every word from God and the importance of staying focused on Him. Peter was not saying in his mind ''I have no doubt, I have no doubt, I have no doubt / I believe, I believe, I believe''.

It is very easy for us to jump and think we are satisfying God's requirement for a miracle. When in fact jumping when He does not tell us to do, is always going to be a case of tempting Him. We can also wish and believe in a miracle all we want. If it is not God's will, absolutely nothing will happen from our ''faith''.

When we are focused on Jesus and doing His will, seeing miracles is inevitable. When we push for them, tempting Him is inevitable.
 
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Hmm interesting persepectives.

It could be a lesson in faith, or a lesson in obedience. Or both.

But maybe its not even about that. They had just seen the miracle of the loaves and fishes..so Peter doesnt think twice about walking on the water. Getting out of the boat could be the step of faith. But maybe it isnt, maybe its the ones that stayed in the boat who had more faith!

Peter just wants to know if its really Jesus.

Its not enough for Jesus to speak to the disciples saying it is I. Peter wants proof. Peter wasnt focusing on the water or taking his eyes off Jesus thats not what makes him sink..storms can put anyone off. What Jesus admonishes Peter for is doubting Jesus is who He says He is.

Of course its me..dont be afraid. Lol. Jesus didnt HAVE to do any miracles he could have just said I am the son of God and expect everyone would believe Him. And He is right He is! But He didnt.

God doesnt need to prove Himself to anyone. Adam and eve could have just listend to His voice and obeyed.

God if you are real, do a miracle for me , prove yourself .But God often answers our doubts with what do you mean, IF I am real?! Theres no ifs or buts with God. He existed before time! He is timeless. He created the universe. He can do anything...He's God!

Jesus probably walked on water quite often whenever he needed to get somewhere. It would have been normal for Him. After all He was sinless so nothing would have weighed Him down.
 
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Hmm interesting persepectives.

It could be a lesson in faith, or a lesson in obedience. Or both.

But maybe its not even about that. They had just seen the miracle of the loaves and fishes..so Peter doesnt think twice about walking on the water. Getting out of the boat could be the step of faith. But maybe it isnt, maybe its the ones that stayed in the boat who had more faith!

Peter just wants to know if its really Jesus.

Its not enough for Jesus to speak to the disciples saying it is I. Peter wants proof. Peter wasnt focusing on the water or taking his eyes off Jesus thats not what makes him sink..storms can put anyone off. What Jesus admonishes Peter for is doubting Jesus is who He says He is.

Of course its me..dont be afraid. Lol. Jesus didnt HAVE to do any miracles he could have just said I am the son of God and expect everyone would believe Him. And He is right He is! But He didnt.

God doesnt need to prove Himself to anyone. Adam and eve could have just listend to His voice and obeyed.

God if you are real, do a miracle for me , prove yourself .But God often answers our doubts with what do you mean, IF I am real?! Theres no ifs or buts with God. He existed before time! He is timeless. He created the universe. He can do anything...He's God!

Jesus probably walked on water quite often whenever he needed to get somewhere. It would have been normal for Him. After all He was sinless so nothing would have weighed Him down.
Interesting thoughts Lanolin :wink:.
 
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