Does the Bible support Women Preachers? ( Debate -- Long video)

[Gerbolski]

1Ti 2:12
(12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Co 14:34
(34) Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

When it speaks of silence, we know that it is not referring to complete silence, for women can worship the Lord, can prophesy, can witness to people, but women in the realm of being a preacher or teacher in the church, they cannot, they ought to be silent in that way.


1Ti 3:2
(2) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Some men are called to be overseers in the church, although doing so with the right attitude, to were they have an actual calling on their lives.

And they do so from a servant's heart.

So when God calls someone to become an overseer, it is a man (not a woman), that he will call, just simply because that is his order.


Rom 16:3-5
(3) Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:
(4) Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.
(5) Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

Just because people gather at Priscilla and Aquilla's house , does not mean that the woman Priscilla is a preacher, saying such is adding to the text.


Rom 16:1-2
(1) I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
(2) That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

I think the KJV, interpreted it right in calling Phebe a servant, she had a servant's heart and came to the succor of many, but it in no way implies her being in some office of the church.

There is absolutely no evidence of her, teaching or preaching in front of the church, absolutely none.

 

[MedicBravo]

Biblical Example	Role	Reference

Priscilla (with Aquila)

Taught Apollos privately

Acts 18:26

Phoebe

Deacon/servant of the church at Cenchrea

Romans 16:1–2

Lydia

Hosted a church in her home

Acts 16:14–15, 40

Older women

Taught and trained younger women

Titus 2:3–5

Mary, Dorcas, others

Served in good works and support

Romans 16:6; Acts 9:36

Women at the tomb

First witnesses of Christ’s resurrection

Luke 24:1–10

This "girl boss" mess in the church needs to stop.
Women are "help-mates/helpers". It's not sexist either.

 

[Gerbolski]

The Phebe thing

Rom 16:1-2
(1) I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
(2) That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

1Ti 3:12
(12) Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

1Ti 3:2
(2) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Both Bishops and Deacons are called to be men according to these scriptures, for it speaks of the man, that is the husband of one wife.

Therefore the KJV did get it right via Phebe being a servant, and it harmonizes with what Timothy says.

 

[Gerbolski]

Even thought the Greek word diakonos, is used with Phebe, does not mean she was a deacon, for that word also means servant, and the way to know in what way it is saying things is by comparing scriptures with scriptures, which Timothy says that Deacons must be the husband of one wife, and not the other way around.

So the focus is on the man.

 

[B-A-C]

I think perhaps this thread is titled wrong.

The Bible definitely has examples of women in ministry.
I believe a woman can be in ministry. They can teach Sunday school (for women and children).
The can lead worship. they can do many things in the church. The Bible doesn't forbid any of this.

However, a woman should not be a head pastor in authority over men.

Here’s the verse you’re referring to:


1 Timothy 2:12 (KJV)

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

This is the passage where Paul states he does not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man in the church context.


1 Corinthians 14:34–35 (KJV)

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Twistie]

This is what happens when man follows mans ways n teaching n traditions and man boxes themselves n their god in a box or building or what ever one may want to call that brick n mortar I'm seeing it as a prison that many Christians keep themselves in gladly n will attack anyone who tries n breaks it down...

I'm j.s.

┐⁠(⁠´⁠ー⁠｀⁠)⁠┌

 

[Gerbolski]

1Ti 2:12
(12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

There is no doubt that the Timothy verse explains things in more detail, concerning women not being the teachers of the assembly.

And yes they can be used in all kinds of ways, such as worship, prayer, and so on and so on, but there is no such thing as this couple pastors' ministry.

Women are not called to be pastor at all, in no way, for it is against God's order.

 

[Gerbolski]

It is the word that interprets the word, but many, if things do not fit their way, do not compare the word with the word, but rather go to a translation that gives them what they want to hear.

If the word says that Phebe was a servant, and another verse says that deacons can only be men, then that is what it means, and other translations that contradict this, is not according to sound doctrine, why , because it contradicts.

If God has an order, then just listen to that order.

He has an order in the home, and he has an order in the church, and overall MedicBravo did a great job when he mentioned the list of:

Biblical Example

Role

Reference

The only thing I would disagree is on that one little part of Phebe being a deacon.

But overall, he showed things exactly as they should be.

 

[Gerbolski]

The authority issue
1Ti 2:12
(12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

When it says I suffer not a woman to teach, it means it, it is in "not at all".

Now can people be discussing the word online or in person, with various people, of course, but concerning when the church meets together, and they are having a service, the one's teaching in what some call the pulpit, it ought to be men, for that is God's order.

Can women share the gospel with people on the street, and lead someone to Christ ? Of course.

When it says "I suffer not a woman to teach", it means it, and when it says for them not to "usurp authority over the man", it is not saying, as some people make it say, that if a man gives them authority it is ok, that is not what it says at all, that is adding to the word.

What the words not to "usurp authority over the man" goes along with, is the words "I suffer not a woman to teach".

Not usurping authority over the man, means not at all, it is the authority that God places on man, that is not to be given to a woman.

Nor is it given to men, so men can give permission to a woman.

I suffer not a woman to teach , means not at all, and woman not usurping authority over the man, means not at all.

They are to be in silence concerning this issue of teaching the congregation, silence is not a word of exception.

 

[MedicBravo]

The authority issue
1Ti 2:12
(12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

When it says I suffer not a woman to teach, it means it, it is in "not at all".

Now can people be discussing the word online or in person, with various people, of course, but concerning when the church meets together, and they are having a service, the one's teaching in what some call the pulpit, it ought to be men, for that is God's order.

Can women share the gospel with people on the street, and lead someone to Christ ? Of course.

When it says "I suffer not a woman to teach", it means it, and when it says for them not to "usurp authority over the man", it is not saying, as some people make it say, that if a man gives them authority it is ok, that is not what it says at all, that is adding to the word.

What the words not to "usurp authority over the man" goes along with, is the words "I suffer not a woman to teach".

Not usurping authority over the man, means not at all, it is the authority that God places on man, that is not to be given to a woman.

Nor is it given to men, so men can give permission to a woman.

I suffer not a woman to teach , means not at all, and woman not usurping authority over the man, means not at all.

They are to be in silence concerning this issue of teaching the congregation, silence is not a word of exception.

Can a woman teach other women UNDER the authority and guidance of a Pastor? Yes.
In fact, if done in public would likely draw MORE women to God and the church. A pastor MUST be present and the woman MUST not put her personal opinions into what she is saying.

 

[Gerbolski]

1Ti 2:12
(12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

In the assembly which of course is comprised of men and women, they are to be silent, in being the teacher of the assembly, it is, what it is.

Now can the older women teach the younger women the ways of God and how women ought to be ? Yes.

Tit 2:3-5
(3) The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
(4) That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
(5) To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

 

[Gerbolski]

The bible shows there is a time for everything.

1. There is a time for the assembly to come together to worship the Lord, edify one another and to hear the word taught or preached.

2. There is a time for fellowship.

3. There is a time to witness.

 

[Gerbolski]

Carefulness

Tit 2:3-5
(3) The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
(4) That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
(5) To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Does this show in some form, women teaching women ? Yes.

But one has to be careful how one approaches things, because I have seen women teaching women in a certain setting, to were they get puffed up, and then start to become the teachers of the congregation of men and women.

One has to be very careful what approach one takes.

 

[joestue]

For what its worth my wife insists Jesus has never given her any responsibility, power or authority over me.