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Did the Eternal Word (second person of the Trinity) merge with a newly created human mind, will, and emotions that did not exist before?

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It is of course heresy to say God didn't always exist. But there are dozens of scripture that says Jesus was around before creation. In fact Jesus Himself created creation. The same Jesus that was in the beginning is the person that dwelt among men.
 
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Did the Eternal Word merge with a newly created human mind, will, and emotions?
The body God provided for his Son was "unto us a child is born", (Isa 9:6) Even Jesus said...."..... but a body have you prepared for me;..." (Heb 10:5) The child born was the body prepared for a Son who was given.
Jesus the "man" grew in wisdom, and stature.

Luke 2:40 And the child grew and became strong, filled with wisdom. And the favor of God was upon him.

The man Jesus did not know everything, but within his divine nature he knew all things. The fleshly mind, and the spiritual mind are two different things.
 
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Did the Eternal Word merge with a newly created human mind, will, and emotions?
First welcome to Talk Jesus @Agent for Christ,

Interesting thought and first question. I'm sure you have already thought this out and have a perspective that you'll eventually share. :)

Are you seeing that all flesh initially is a clean slate waiting for it to be imprinted but in the case of Jesus was done so specifically by The Word of God, which allows for both Son of God and Son of Man? After contemplating the initial thought I added the latter part in my attempt of surmising where the question must direct one who believes in the Second Person of the Godhead and His manifestation in the flesh.

Once again be welcome to Talk Jesus Brother/Sister (?).
YBIC
Nick
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P.S. Love that Tract! I find it every once in a while traveling and having to make a rest room stop :)
 
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John 8:58; Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

Jesus knew who He was, and He knew He existed before He was born of Mary.
 
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I'll jump in with the notion that the earliest Jewish mindset didn't consider the "after life". Once they began considering the concept, it's apparent the Holy Spirit began updating the human mind as was practical for mankind to move forward and still be tuned into God's will and purposes. I suspect what mankind already realizes is less than 1% of what God has for us to comprehend.

I'll stop right there, as proceeding further will require delving into ancient cultural thoughts, and biblical revelations to those people degree by degree. Jesus completed the revelation aimed at His generation. That leaves room for either speculation or additional reliance on more revelations from Him as we humans need it. Grace is supplied according to sin realized. I don't know who started that thought enough to preach it, besides some hints from Paul.
 
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Just a question or two to anybody that will answer it. Why, when Jesus says that his words are the words of his Father can we not believe him?
So when he says that "before Abraham was I am" these have to be the words of the Father because that was all he would say was what the Father gave him to say. Does that then mean that he knew who he was or that the Father was answering?

To answer your question in the initial post. NO
As Jesus himself says: "Believest thou not that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU I SPEAK NOT OF MYSELF: BUT THE FATHER THAT DWELLS IN ME, (HE DOETH THE WORKS)."
"Say ye of him(Jesus), whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I SAID I AM THE (SON) OF GOD. They were basically calling him a liar, and we would be doing the same in using the trinity term. He was and always will be Gods only begotten Son. Begat meaning to be the Father of another. Not the Father of ones self. Abraham begat Isaac, Isaac begat Jacob etc....

And lastly why did he never speak a word about the WAY until after his baptism, 40 days in the wilderness being ministered too by angels, and tempted by Satan, and then sent forth? Why would a part of the so called trinity need to be ministered to by Angels that he created, which by the way Satan was one as well, which would mean that the creation(Satan) was tempting his creator???? But in the temptations he (Satan) wanted Jesus to worship him and his reply was "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." obviously making a distinction between himself, the Son of God, and his Father. And I would add that even Satan himself, in the temptings, said twice "If thou be the (SON) OF GOD" prove it! Even the Devil himself knows who Jesus is
but would have you believe that he is (not) the SON OF GOD. How interesting is that?
 
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Just a question or two to anybody that will answer it. Why, when Jesus says that his words are the words of his Father can we not believe him?
Of course we believe Him.

After all, YHWH our Father, and YHWH our Lord have to be in sync.
 
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I am forced to conclude that Samson2020 never actually reads the Bible.

He must memorize the doctrines of his teachers and "have faith" they are telling him the truth.
 
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Hi Curtis,
You said:
Satan said to Jesus.....

Luke 4:6 And he said to Him, To You I will give all this power and authority and their glory (all their magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, and grace), for it has been turned over to me, and I give it to whomever I will. (AMP)
Satan was the ‘Stewarding Angel] over creation. He sat as ‘King’ over creation awaiting the rightful human King.

That’s what a ‘Steward’ does: He is a TEMPLATE holder for the real one. And that is why he could say to Jesus, ‘It is Mine to give to whom I will!’.

Satan tried to TEMPT Jesus into acquiring the kingship WITHOUT going through the suffering, the torment, the spits and sniping, the whippings, scourging, the horror of DEATH (of which he faltered for a moment, saying, ‘Father, if there could be another way...’ then recovered, ‘But let it be YOUR WILL [not mine]!’

A steward KNOWS that he MUST handover the throne to its rightful king... and even more so, as scriptures says,
  • ‘The world to come will by no means be ruled BY ANGELS’

Which would YOU CHOOSE if it were you? Jesus did the right thing and said, ‘It is written, though must worship the Lord your god and to him only should you offer sacred service’...

Curtis, Jesus could hardly be saying, ‘No, I should worship only ME!!’ Or ‘It is written you should only worship US THREE!’.

And moreover, where is it written that we should worship JESUS, or indeed, the power of God; the power of the Father?

One of the “main” reasons for the Son of God to become the son of man was to take back what Adam had lost to the Serpent, and restore it back to man to whom God gave it originally in the beginning!
’Take back...’ No, Curtis, it is to RESTORE what Adam lost. Perhaps you just used the wrong word there!!! (Second part of your thought covered by RESTORED.)... what was RESTORED was:
  • ‘The right for man to live eternally’, which was what Satan fooled Eve with, saying, ‘Did God really say...?’
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The Devil thought if he could just kill Jesus everything would be his forever, but Jesus's death would lead to the Devils destruction!
Yes, Satan knew a Messiah would come... If he could get the Messiah to FAIL, then HE would REMAIN STEWARD over creation... (Did you watch or read “Lord of the Rings: Return of the King”? The idea is encapsulated there because Tolkien read it in the bible!... in fact the larger part of the Lord of the Rings is based on the bible... even his later book: ‘The Silmarillion’... interesting facts!!)

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Typical thinking is you win if you can kill your enemy, and it is not logical thinking to think in killing your enemy that you are destroying yourself!
Anyone who seeks to kill an enemy should also consider that if he fails, his enemy will kill HIM!’

As scripture says, “it would be through death that Jesus would destroy the works of the devil!" (Heb 2:14)
This is true... of course! All HEROs go into a ‘dark place’ before destroying their enemy... it’s a ‘Trope’ of all good dramas and movies....!! It’s not unique to Jesus... even the Greeks knew this!

Satan did not just give up the authority he had stole from Adam through deception, it was taken from him by Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection!
Again, Satan did not STEAL IT from ‘the Adam’. Satan did not acquire the right to ‘eternal life’. Satan’s deceit REMOVED THE RIGHT TO IT from ‘the Adam’ (which means: ‘Mankind’).

Jesus’ death RESTORED what had been REMOVED.

Scriptures, in many places, prophecies this RESTORATION of the [new incorporated] favoured nation... that is, ALL PEOPLE of all tribes and all nations who subscribe to belief in:
  • ‘The ONLY TRUE GOD, and JESUS CHRIST WHOM HE SENT’
Tell me, Curtis, who is the ‘Only True God’ and whom did HE SEND?
 
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I am forced to conclude that Samson2020 never actually reads the Bible.

He must memorize the doctrines of his teachers and "have faith" they are telling him the truth.
Hi David, can you explain better what you mean by your quote above... with a few examples... I’m really interested in how you see these errors!!
 
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Hi David, can you explain better what you mean by your quote above... with a few examples... I’m really interested in how you see these errors!!
You want to be a teacher? Of what? Not the Bible, obviously.

Reveal the source of your opinions.
 
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You want to be a teacher? Of what? Not the Bible, obviously.

Reveal the source of your opinions.
I am a teacher.... (sorry (not) to spoil your line of thought!)

But I asked you to explain something you said that I don’t understand (of what you said!)... it seems you are unable to, or reluctant to, give an answer!

Im only interested in why you thought what you did!
 
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I am a teacher.... (sorry (not) to spoil your line of thought!)

But I asked you to explain something you said that I don’t understand (of what you said!)... it seems you are unable to, or reluctant to, give an answer!

Im only interested in why you thought what you did!
There is no purpose in talking to you. Except I am curious to know the source of your opinions.
 
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Of course we believe Him.

After all, YHWH our Father, and YHWH our Lord have to be in sync.
In Jesus' own words:
John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship HIM must worship Him in spirit and truth."

Acts 2:22 "....Jesus of Nazareth A MAN approved of God........ NOT ONE AND THE SAME, AS ONE HAS NEVER BEEN A MAN.

1 John 4:2 "... Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God." That is to say he was just A MAN APPROVED OF GOD HIS FATHER. Acts 2:22
"But every Spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST."

Any attempt to make Jesus more than just a man, whose Father was God, up until his death makes him something other than a flesh and blood man which John tells us exactly what spirit that is ANTICHRIST ERROR.
 
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In Jesus' own words:
John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship HIM must worship Him in spirit and truth."

Acts 2:22 "....Jesus of Nazareth A MAN approved of God........ NOT ONE AND THE SAME, AS ONE HAS NEVER BEEN A MAN.

1 John 4:2 "... Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God." That is to say he was just A MAN APPROVED OF GOD HIS FATHER. Acts 2:22
"But every Spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST."

Any attempt to make Jesus more than just a man, whose Father was God, up until his death makes him something other than a flesh and blood man which John tells us exactly what spirit that is ANTICHRIST ERROR.
You agree the Son laid the foundation of the earth and created the heavens?

Maybe we can just start with that.
 
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