Did Jesus preach the Trinity to the poor (multitudes)?

[John Zain]

I am NOT arguing against the Trinity … I believe in the Triune Godhead.

Jesus went around to all of the villages and towns preaching the gospel ... His gospel.
And later, Jesus commanded His disciples to preach His gospel to the ends of the earth.

Jesus’ gospel, not Paul's gospel, nor anyone else's gospel, nor the Nicean Creed.
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Note:
There is some difference between Jesus’ preaching of His gospel to the multitudes
compared to His teaching to His disciples (especially at the end of His ministry).
To the mutlitudes … was the Holy Spirit ever included?
To the disciples … the Holy Spirit was included, especially in His great farewell discourse.
See a great Trinity passage: John 14:16-26

My bottom line
The Trinity was never a part of the simple gospel that Jesus preached to the multitudes.
A belief in the Trinity often needs to come from a spiritual revelation.

Note:
There has been a great problem because of the absence of the Trinity in Jesus’ preaching.
This has led many (including Muslims) to insist that Paul preached a different gospel.
But, they don't realize that Jesus and Paul preached to 2 totally different audiences:
Jesus preached to the multitudes (none of which had the Holy Spirit).
Paul’s letters were to the churches (most of whom had the Holy Spirit).

 

[Brother Mike]

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[jari]

Note:
There has been a great problem because of the absence of the Trinity in Jesus’ preaching.
This has led many (including Muslims) to insist that Paul preached a different gospel.
But, they don't realize that Jesus and Paul preached to 2 totally different audiences:
Jesus preached to the multitudes (none of which had the Holy Spirit).
Paul’s letters were to the churches (most of whom had the Holy Spirit).

The reason you cant find massive doctrine of trinity from the bible is because Trinity is a man made word and in my opinion God never wanted us to focus on this "detail". We know there is Father, Son and Holy spirit.
We also know that Jesus and Father are One. Likewise, I believe they are all one.

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

So that settles it for me...

 

[j_sp]

John Zain,

The reason that it 'appears' as if Jesus didn't preach the Trinity (or the Godhead); and as you said the Holy Spirit - is because He was demonstrating the Godhead in the flesh...He fulfilled it and walked in it before the multitudes (like we are to do, Rom. 8:9). Once He got baptized by John the Baptist, the Spirit of God descended upon Him, and then He went out to do His ministry for the Father. He was a sign to the people (or witness before the people of the true nature of God, Luke 11:30; Ezekiel was a sign to the people, a possible prophetic symbol of what was to come through the Son of man (something better), as Ezekiel was the son of man, the old nature Ezek. 24:24).

Luke 3:22 "And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came from heaven, saying, 'You are My Son, My Beloved! In You I am well pleased and find delight.' (Amplified)

Luke 4:1 "Then Jesus, full of and controlled by the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Holy Spirit" (Amp)

Matt. 4:1 "Then Jesus was led (guided) by the [Holy] Spirit into the wilderness (desert) to be tempted (tested and tried) by the devil." (Amp)

Jesus already claimed after He was baptized to others, that Him and the Father are One (John 10:30; 14:6; 6:44; 5:30). This was with the Holy Spirit in Him too. So, They were all attesting of the Truth as One in the flesh. When Jesus spoke with His disciples, He was preparing them to walk in this way also, teaching them of His way that He walked too (as we should be taught of this by His Spirit that He left with us, to fulfill this - 1 John 4 speaks of this complete work, as Jesus walked in).

Also, John 17 reveals how the Godhead was working in and through Jesus for intercession on behalf of His own to the Father. In verses, John 17:1-3, the Spirit of God was interceding for Jesus to the Father (He spoke in the 3rd person here); and as Jesus was increasing in the glory of God before His crucifixion, He also interceded on behalf of His own in this Power (showing the fullness of the Godhead working as One in power to overcome and bring forth good fruit under what would be considered 'dire' circumstances). Thus, glorifying God in our time of weakness (2 Cor. 12:9 - fulfilling the grace of God, through this New Covenant). Jesus was the firstfruits of what was to come through His own that were to come after Him in this same power led by the Spirit of God, fulfilled by Jesus' blood, and overcome by the Father (death and sin once and for all, through God's mercy in His Son).

What better way to preach...not just by words but by and in power also and demonstration of Truth (Jesus' walk in the fullness of the Godhead, 1 Cor. 2:4-5; 4:18-20).

j_sp

 

[John Zain]

j_sp,

I really am quite speechless, except to say, please read the first sentence of Bottom Line.