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  1. Monday, August 7, 2017, 5:55 a.m. – The Lord Jesus put in mind the song “Oh, To Be Like Thee.” Speak, Lord, your words to my heart. I read Isaiah 33 (Select vv. ESV).

    A Destroyer (v. 1; cf. Psalm 2:1; Rev. 11:18)

    Ah, you destroyer,
    who yourself have not been destroyed,
    you traitor,
    whom none has betrayed!
    When you have ceased to destroy,
    you will be destroyed;
    and when you have finished betraying,
    they will betray you.​

    What comes to mind here is John 10, in particular v. 10, where it says, “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.”

    So, who are these thieves and robbers, i.e. these destroyers? They are the nations spoken of in Revelation 11:18 and in Psalm 2:1 who rage against Jesus Christ and his gospel of salvation, who persecute and martyr Christ’s followers, who kill innocents, and who overtake kingdoms, confiscate property not their own, and destroy lands and houses. The US government and their political allies are the ones who are doing this today.

    Yet, they are also those strangers who have entered the gatherings of the church by a door other than Jesus Christ. They are false shepherds of the people, wolves in sheep’s clothing, and hired hands who care nothing for God’s people, but only for themselves. They have infiltrated the assemblies of the church for the very purpose to deceive, manipulate, lead people astray and to destroy the relationship between the church and their Lord.

    Their goal is to pull as many people as possible away from the One and Only True God of the universe, who is the creator of the world and the people who live in it. And, it is to lead them to follow the world, the beast, the culture of society, and their own flesh. It is also to render spiritually powerless Christian men and women and church leaders, and to vilify those who are truly following Jesus Christ in pure devotion and dedication. It is to call evil good and good evil, to put darkness for light and light for darkness, and to put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! (Is. 5:20).

    These destroyers have been working at this for many years, to bring the church down, to emasculate Christian men, in particular, to destroy the gospel by diluting it beyond recognition, and by physically conquering peoples and nations throughout the world. They have reinterpreted key Bible verses to make them not say what they are saying, or they have ignored them and have focused on only a few verses which fit with what they want to believe, which fits with the lifestyles they want to live. As well, they have placed lewd images in grocery store checkout lines, in store windows, on TV, and on general sites on the internet to lure men and women into sexual sin.

    They have redefined marriage, have stirred up strife among various people groups, have falsified information, and have persuaded many to believe their lies and deceptions. They also have convinced many to abandon the true faith in Jesus Christ in favor of a more lenient, acceptable and tolerant religion which accepts all religions as viable and sinful lifestyles as standard (customary). And, they have persuaded many to believe that repentance and obedience to Christ are not only not necessary, but not required by God at all, and that God is pleased with them no matter what they do.

    Our Stability (vv. 5-6)

    The Lord is exalted, for he dwells on high;
    he will fill Zion with justice and righteousness,
    and he will be the stability of your times,
    abundance of salvation, wisdom, and knowledge;
    the fear of the Lord is Zion's treasure.​

    A day is coming when the Lord will put an end to the work of these destroyers and it will be payback time. What goes around comes around. What they have done to others will be done to them. The nations which have destroyed others will be destroyed. God will judge them, and that includes the USA, most especially, for all the evil they have done throughout the world to others, and including within our own nation. And, this includes all these false shepherds of the people, too, who feed only themselves, and whose goal it is to bring down the church and to destroy the gospel.

    For, the Lord is exalted, and he will revive his adulterous people and he will bring many to faith in Jesus Christ. Not only will he judge, but he will also save. He will judge not only to punish, but to revive his people. Yet, this judgment will bring hard times on many people. If what our nation has done to other nations is done to us, much of our country could be reduced to rubble, as well as we could suffer much financial loss, loss of liberties, and loss of human lives, too. Yet, our Lord God will be our stability. And, the fear of the Lord will be, if it is not already, our treasured possession.

    Who Walk Righteously (vv. 13-16)

    Hear, you who are far off, what I have done;
    and you who are near, acknowledge my might.
    The sinners in Zion are afraid;
    trembling has seized the godless:
    “Who among us can dwell with the consuming fire?
    Who among us can dwell with everlasting burnings?”
    He who walks righteously and speaks uprightly,
    who despises the gain of oppressions,
    who shakes his hands, lest they hold a bribe,
    who stops his ears from hearing of bloodshed
    and shuts his eyes from looking on evil,
    he will dwell on the heights;
    his place of defense will be the fortresses of rocks;
    his bread will be given him; his water will be sure.​

    When judgment comes, which it will, those who are rebelling against God will be afraid, for they will not be able to stand in the judgment (See: Ps. 1:5; Rev. 6:17). Thus, the call of God is that all people would pay attention to what He has done (or will yet do) in judgment, and that they would acknowledge his might (power and authority), that he alone is God, and he alone is to be worshiped, sought after, and honored above all else.

    Only those who walk righteously before God will be able to stand. They are those who, by God’s grace, have repented of their sins and are walking in obedience to their Lord, who reject evil, and who pursue what is godly and holy. Only they will be able to dwell in peace with God, who is a consuming fire (Heb. 12:28-29). Only they will be able to withstand the judgment and not lose faith, but will persevere and endure to the end, but only in the strength of the Lord, and empowered by the Spirit of God living within them.

    Those who walk righteously, i.e. who conduct our lives according to the Spirit, and not according to the flesh, and who prefer what God prefers, will live in God’s continual presence. We have the Lord as our security and as our provider. He will supply all that we need. The fear of the Lord is our treasure. He is our defense and our stronghold (fortress). So, even though the earth gives way, and all hell breaks loose all around us, and even though God visits our nation(s) in judgment, and supplies are scarce, and troubles and hardships are numerous, we can rest in the Lord, believe in his promises, trust in his mercy and compassion, and lean on his strength. He will never leave us or forsake us. He will be our constant in a changing world. And, our desire will be for him, and to be like him.

    Oh, to Be Like Thee, Blessed Redeemer
    Thomas O. Chisholm / W. J. Kirkpatrick

    Oh, to be like Thee! blessèd Redeemer,
    This is my constant longing and prayer;
    Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
    Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

    Oh, to be like Thee! full of compassion,
    Loving, forgiving, tender and kind,
    Helping the helpless, cheering the fainting,
    Seeking the wandering sinner to find.

    O to be like Thee! lowly in spirit,
    Holy and harmless, patient and brave;
    Meekly enduring cruel reproaches,
    Willing to suffer others to save.

    O to be like Thee! while I am pleading,
    Pour out Thy Spirit, fill with Thy love;
    Make me a temple meet for Thy dwelling,
    Fit me for life and Heaven above.

    Oh, to be like Thee! Oh, to be like Thee,
    Blessèd Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
    Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
    Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.

     
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  2. All of the outside influences are there indeed seeking who they may lead and catch and destroy, but the first line of our offence should be against the thieves and robbers within us:

    "For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." I John 2:16

    The "world" of which John writes is the world of each of us, the corrupted "old man" which needs to be put off and finally and completely killed. We cannot do that killing, not alone, but Jesus made it possible for us to do it by allowing the Holy Ghost to be in each of us to do the work that God wants to do in us.

    "She [Wisdom] hath killed her beasts; ..." Prov 9:2

    Our beasts, of course are those same three things in our world mentioned above in I John 2:16.
     
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  3. Not just in america but nz is following after sodom and gomorrah.

    I was told the real reason why we cant have public toilets anymore in the park playground In my neighbourhood is cos when they used to have them men would go in them to have gay sex in them.

    Yuck!! I mean that is not hygienic.

    The problem is people dont even bother to wash. People, especially the unsaved are just dirty and unclean.
    Which is why baptism is so important. Not just on the outside but on the inside we must get wet.

    His water will be sure....absolutely...it will be pure with no pollution. You can be sure nobody has peed in it!!
     
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  4. Amen!
     
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  5. @Lanolin, physical water does not cleanse us of our sins. Baptism with water is an outward sign of an inward faith, and is a testimony of our death with Christ to sin and of our resurrection with him to newness of life. When Jesus spoke with Nicodemus about being born again, he did not tell him he had to be physically baptized with water to be born of the Spirit of God. He told him he had to be born both physically and spiritually, and that the new birth is of the Spirit of God, not of the flesh of man. It is not the removing of the dirt from the body that saves us, but it is a faith response to Jesus Christ and to what he did for us in dying on the cross for our sins. There are several scriptures which tell us of people who received the Holy Spirit of God prior to being baptized with water, so obviously water baptism is not a prerequisite to faith in Jesus Christ or to receiving of his Holy Spirit. Please read these scriptures which teach us what takes place in our hearts in order for us to be forgiven (cleansed) of our sins:

    Luke 9:23-25: “And he said to all, 'If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it. For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself?'”

    Acts 26:16-18: “But rise and stand upon your feet, for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to appoint you as a servant and witness to the things in which you have seen me and to those in which I will appear to you, delivering you from your people and from the Gentiles—to whom I am sending you to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.”

    Ephesians 4:17-24: “Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. But that is not the way you learned Christ! — assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.”

    1 Pet. 2:24-25: “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.”

    Ro. 8:3-14: “For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

    “You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

    “So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.”

    1 Jn. 1:5-9: “This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
     
  6. But water does clean. Have you ever been to places that dont have fresh water? Hell is a place with no water at all!

    Blood of Jesus pays for our sin, and cleanses us yet Jesus also does tell us to be baptised, for we are born of water and spirit. Have you read the scriptutre of how baptism is a picture of this by burying our sin and then being raised to life as we come out of the water?


    It is the same as the Lords supper, we dont just believe it, or talk about it we DO it.
     
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  7. Romans 6:4 and Colossians 2:12
     
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  8. First you believe then you obey. You cant just believe and then not obey. It does not work like that.
    Sure some people might obey without actually believing...but really that is not so much of a problem as believing and then not obeying!!!

    Lol God will call you up if you pretend to believe but dont actually follow up on it.
     
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  9. Check out what Jesus said to Nicodemus..John chapter 3 verse 5...he says except a man be born of WATER and SPIRIT (my emphasis) he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

    Pretty plain that water is involved. How can you say Jesus didnt tell nicodemus he had to be baptised? What is so wrong with WATER?!
     
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  10. Also read on further in chapter 3 what did Jesus do in verse 22?
     
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  11. John 3
    Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus[a]by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    Lanolin, as I have shared previously with you, there is nothing in the context of this passage that even hints at water baptism. The water is a reference here to natural birth.

    I agree that baptism is a picture of (symbol of) our death to sin and our resurrection to new life in Jesus.
     
  12. @Lanolin - I have already gone over this subject with you multiple times. There is no value in keep going over it again, so I am going to request that you take this subject to a thread of your own. Thank you.
     

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