Counting on God

[HAllyson]

Brothers and Sisters,

BE NOT DECEIVED



John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

I used to honestly believe that I was just not capable of reading the Bible. I thought I could never understand what “all those words” meant, much less remember them. I certainly have not deduced the meaning of every word in the bible, but I am gaining a better understanding each time I delve into those precious pages.

I recently recalled being about 5 years old, sitting in a baptist church classroom reciting verses for my Sunday school teacher: one verse a week. Even as a child, I managed to remember most, if not every word of my assigned verse. I only went to that particular church a handful of times. Nevertheless, the seed was sown. I was a little girl who loved God and wanted to please Him. By his grace, his kind people walked me right up to Him, and sat me down. Of course I ended up turning my back on him for a time, when I ventured out into the big, bad world thinking I had a pretty good understanding of everything; that subject however, I will save for another time. I am ever thankful for my family; all the kind and tenderhearted people who have and continue to guide me through my life.

The first bible my parents gave me was a white, leather-bound version of the King James bible. Until my 30th year of life, I thought I would never be able to read and understand it. I always leaned toward more perverse versions of the Bible because I thought I would be able to make more sense of them. Boy was I wrong about that one! (Please do not be offended; look up the word “perverse.” If offended: my condolences).

I believe that books and words have manifold meanings. Think of us for instance. Our DNA is as a book, composed of various genetic codes: DNA is made of phosphorous. The word phosphorous, because of it's unique properties, is derived from the Greek phosphoros, which can be interpreted literally as “light-bringer.” Therefore, you and I are literally made of “a light-bringing” book full of instructions. (This thought makes my heart quite happy. I pray God bless the kind pastor who guided me back to the Word that I may receive my sight).

Folks, a girl can grow tired of arguing about this (especially considering that once you truly believe in the Word of God, it is not something you tend to doubt) but there are several reasons why I believe that the King James version of the Holy Bible is the only version that could have been inspired by God. First, I believe this version is the most accurate translation because completing this translation was no private endeavor. The King James version has no copyright laws that prevent people from copying the entire text whereas many recent translations ask that you write for permission to copy more than an allotted number of verses. I was also made aware that in order for a version of the Bible to be printed and copyrighted, it had to deviate from the original text at least “x” percent of the time. I think this is around 10 percent, but the point is that someone somewhere was more worried about making money, or a name for themselves, than about preserving the true Word of God. It doesn't seem to bother the publishers that they are selling people dangerous lies. Most importantly, I believe that the King James bible is the preserved word of God is because I can count on God, and “every word” of my bible tells me so:



“Every word” 1x *7x

• Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
  
  
  
• Proverbs 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
  
  
  
• Proverbs 30:5 Everyword of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
  
  
  
• Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
  
  
  
• Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
  
  
  
• Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
  
  
  
• 2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
  

The Word



1 John: 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of theWordof life;2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship iswith the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.



“the Word” 6x *469

• John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
  
  
  
• John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
  
  
  
• 1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
  
  
  
• 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one
  

• Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
  

“The Word of God” 1x *46x (Our DNA is made up of 46 chromosomes)

• Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
  

“The word of the LORD” 23x (Our reproductive cells are made of 23 chromosomes)

• 2 Kings 3:12 And Jehoshaphat said, The word of the LORD is with him. So the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat and the king of Edom went down to him.
  
  
  
• Jeremiah 14:1 The word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah concerning the dearth.
  
  
  
• Jeremiah 16:1 The word of the LORD came also unto me, saying,
  
  
  
• Jeremiah 32:6 ¶ And Jeremiah said, The word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
  
  
  
• Jeremiah 46:1 The word of the LORD which came to Jeremiah the prophet against the Gentiles;
  
  
  
• Jeremiah 47:1 The word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah the prophet against the Philistines, before that Pharaoh smote Gaza.
  
  
  
• Jeremiah 49:34 ¶ The word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah the prophet against Elam in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, saying,
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 1:3 The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him.
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 12:1 The word of the LORD also came unto me, saying,
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 14:12 ¶ The word of the LORD came again to me, saying,
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 18:1 The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 21:18 ¶ The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 23:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 24:20 Then I answered them, The word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 25:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 27:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 28:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 30:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 37:15 ¶ The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
  
  
  
• Hosea 1:1 The word of the LORD that came unto Hosea, the son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash, king of Israel.
  
  
  
• Joel 1:1 The word of the LORD that came to Joel the son of Pethuel.
  
  
  
• Micah 1:1 The word of the LORD that came to Micah the Morasthite in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem.
  
  
  
• Zephaniah 1:1 The word of the LORD which came unto Zephaniah the son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hizkiah, in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah.
  
  
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“Be not deceived” 3x *5x

• Deuteronomy 11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;
  
  
  
• Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
  
  
  
• 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
  
  
  
• 1 Corinthians 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
  
  
  
• Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
  

I know how wrong I was before because at some point in my life, I accepted lies for truth. Thankfully God loves me, and he was kind enough to chasten me. I realized that if my Bible tells the truth, all I had to do was ask him in good faith for his guidance, instruction, and most importantly, His forgiveness. (Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent). If you read it, and it doesn't make sense, I encourage you to pray about it; ask God for understanding. With God all things are possible. There are parts of the bible that may be hard to accept, and understand but ask yourself: whose reasoning skills are greater? God's? Or Man's? I encourage you to give God a chance. The Lord himself will teach you what His words mean! Repent in good faith, and call unto Him. Search Him in His Word. You can even count on Him.




Proverbs 5: 7 Hear me now therefore, O ye children, and depart not from the words of my mouth.

Jeremiah33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

 

[JohnP]

This debate has been going on for many, many years, and is not about to be resolved here. I do however, believe that one should listen to whatever the Holy Spirit is leading him or her to do. If the Holy Spirit is telling you to read the KJV, then you should follow Him. I'm not getting that message from Him though.

God bless!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

It is good to read several different versions of His word. When something stands out we can then look at it in another translation and gain more depth.

To be truthful - all bibles we have today are all re-worked over time. However God and His word never changes and He does a very praise worthy job at teaching His word in deeper depths to those who seek Him.
God Bless . oh and please be careful how much you say things like this - we aught not ever hinder the growth of others by making them feel they are reading a bad bible.
Jim

 

[HAllyson]

This debate has been going on for many, many years, and is not about to be resolved here. I do however, believe that one should listen to whatever the Holy Spirit is leading him or her to do. If the Holy Spirit is telling you to read the KJV, then you should follow Him. I'm not getting that message from Him though.

God bless!

I am not here to debate sir. I just really thought this would be a good place to start sharing with others what I have come to know as true. This post was not meant to start an argument, just share my opinion and findings. Thank you for your input.

 

[HAllyson]

It is good to read several different versions of His word. When something stands out we can then look at it in another translation and gain more depth.

To be truthful - all bibles we have today are all re-worked over time. However God and His word never changes and He does a very praise worthy job at teaching His word in deeper depths to those who seek Him.
God Bless . oh and please be careful how much you say things like this - we aught not ever hinder the growth of others by making them feel they are reading a bad bible.
Jim

Sir in my own opinion: The Word is the truth. I am not here to argue. You and I are both allowed to hold our own opinions. I will stand firm on my opinion that other bibles are perverse. I will not argue about this; It is simply my stance. I am hindering no man sir. If I post anything here it will be from the true Word of God. All bibles do not send forth the same message, so I only stay in the pages of One. Sorry if you feel offended. Thank you for your input.

 

[amadeus2]

Sir in my own opinion: The Word is the truth. I am not here to argue. You and I are both allowed to hold our own opinions. I will stand firm on my opinion that other bibles are perverse.

And some are certainly more perverse than others. This is similar to men, is it not? A lot depends on where a person and on where he has been. Likewise the spirit of those who are translating makes a difference in the content of the translation. But, I am on your side in this, at least from an English point of view. I read scripture in two other languages regularly and the one that best works together with them according to the Spirit in me is the KJV. I know as you do that other will disagree and it's not our job to change them. If a person needs to be changed that is God's job. He, when it comes down to it, is the One who gives the increase. He may use you or me or another as the vehicle to deliver His increase.

I will not argue about this; It is simply my stance. I am hindering no man sir. If I post anything here it will be from the true Word of God. All bibles do not send forth the same message, so I only stay in the pages of One. Sorry if you feel offended. Thank you for your input.

Give God the glory for He alone is always worthy... even when He chooses to work through us.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Sir in my own opinion: The Word is the truth. I am not here to argue. You and I are both allowed to hold our own opinions. I will stand firm on my opinion that other bibles are perverse. I will not argue about this; It is simply my stance. I am hindering no man sir. If I post anything here it will be from the true Word of God. All bibles do not send forth the same message, so I only stay in the pages of One. Sorry if you feel offended. Thank you for your input.

Ah come on now settle down will ya !! lol
The different translations are just that - worded different because we all have different levels of understanding.
You can beleive what you wish - You claim you stand firm on your Opinion - that is just it....it is your opinion and that is why i said please becasreful going around making such claims.

You speak this to a young beleiver who is being taught well with one of the versions you feel is wrong then you may cause them to question things - and hence hinder their growth or belief in that time.

God Bless

 

[HAllyson]

Ah come on now settle down will ya !! lol
The different translations are just that - worded different because we all have different levels of understanding.
You can beleive what you wish - You claim you stand firm on your Opinion - that is just it....it is your opinion and that is why i said please becasreful going around making such claims.

You speak this to a young beleiver who is being taught well with one of the versions you feel is wrong then you may cause them to question things - and hence hinder their growth or belief in that time.

God Bless

I fear you misunderstand me! I do not wish to hinder you or any part of the body of Christ. Also, I'm not so old myself...I'd like to think anyway HA! I digress; My point is I have always loved, and wanted to know God. I have searched in the pages of many versions of the bible. At some point for a while I was educated out of believing in any of them. I still have a tattered, leather-bound version of the NIV with my name on the front: a gift from my best friend years ago. For years read that bible, but truthfully, I did not truly know God until I trusted that He would help me understand the bible my parents gave me as a child: The bible so many generations have lived and died by. If you begin studying with the acceptance that every word is true, and right where it should be, then God himself will proceed to give you understanding.
Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
I would LOVE to share with you my own studies if you'd like to see them. I like to count things, obviously. I do believe that there are patterns and symbols in the bible. Once you start to see them, it is enlightening to say the least. I do thank you for reading and hope I can be of more help than harm! If you are in fact interested in the numbers check out King James Pure Bible Search The free software and a hardcopy in front of you make sure everything matches up is a great start to a brand new way of looking at the Old book!

God bless you too!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I fear you misunderstand me! I do not wish to hinder you or any part of the body of Christ. Also, I'm not so old myself...I'd like to think anyway HA! I digress; My point is I have always loved, and wanted to know God. I have searched in the pages of many versions of the bible. At some point for a while I was educated out of believing in any of them. I still have a tattered, leather-bound version of the NIV with my name on the front: a gift from my best friend years ago. For years read that bible, but truthfully, I did not truly know God until I trusted that He would help me understand the bible my parents gave me as a child: The bible so many generations have lived and died by. If you begin studying with the acceptance that every word is true, and right where it should be, then God himself will proceed to give you understanding.
Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
I would LOVE to share with you my own studies if you'd like to see them. I like to count things, obviously. I do believe that there are patterns and symbols in the bible. Once you start to see them, it is enlightening to say the least. I do thank you for reading and hope I can be of more help than harm! If you are in fact interested in the numbers check out King James Pure Bible Search The free software and a hardcopy in front of you make sure everything matches up is a great start to a brand new way of looking at the Old book!

God bless you too!

Let me try to show you what I meant.
When I said becareful who you say things to such as there is only one true translation of the bible that is true.
I am talking about the fact that some one NOT as rooted and grounded as you are - will not understand what you mean. They may crumble or question what God has been working in them because they USE a bible translation that you SAY is false or not true to Gods word. Thus causing them to stumble.

I am not saying you are doing this. I was simply pointing out that we have to be very careful what we say and where we say it because we do not ever know for sure how many sets of ears hear our words. Not every one will be on the same level as you are and will not truly see this in the light that yoou do.

My main bible is KJ and I enjoy the AMP along with it. I have other translations which I enjoy reading as well and for me - they all work together for the good in my growth in Christ.

I would enjoy very much reading from your studies.
Now then Hallyson - I hope this clears things up to what I was saying....
God Bless and have a wonderful day
Jim

 

[Ceptor]

I would LOVE to share with you my own studies if you'd like to see them. I like to count things, obviously. I do believe that there are patterns and symbols in the bible. Once you start to see them, it is enlightening to say the least.

I would LOVE to see your own studies.

By all means, do share.. I would be absolutely THRILLED.

 

[HAllyson]

I would LOVE to see your own studies.

By all means, do share.. I would be absolutely THRILLED.

Gladly dear! I can share one on the forum, but they are much easier to follow and read if you have a word program of some sort I could email. Which do you prefer?

 

[HAllyson]

Gladly dear! I can share one on the forum, but they are much easier to follow and read if you have a word program of some sort I could email. Which do you prefer?

The Seven Spirits of God
King James Pure Bible Search (I strongly suggest reading around each verse in the context in which it is used. You will gain a better understanding of the connections that are made throughout scripture).

• Isaiah 11:2 And (1)the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of(2)wisdom and (3)understanding, the spirit of (4)counsel and (5)might, the spirit of (6)knowledge and of (7)the fear of the LORD;
  

“holy Spirit” 5x *7x

• Psalms 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
  
  
  
• Isaiah 63:10 ¶ But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
  
  
  
• Isaiah 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
  
  
  
• Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
  
  
  
• Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
  
  
  
• Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
  
  
  
• 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
  

“the seven Spirits” 4x

• Revelation 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
  
  
  
• Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath thesevenSpirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
  
  
  
• Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
  
  
  
• Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
  

When searching the words “spirits” and “The LORD” in the same verse, 7 verses are found:

• Leviticus 19:31 ¶ Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORDyour God.
  
  
  
• Numbers 27:16 Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation,
  
  
  
• 2 Kings 21:6 And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiarspirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
  
  
  
• 2 Kings 23:24 ¶ Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD.
  
  
  
• Proverbs 16:2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.
  
  
  
• Zechariah 6:5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.
  
  
  
• Acts 19:13 ¶ Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name ofthe Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
  

When searching for the words “spirits” and “ of God”6 verses are found:

• Mark 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
  
  
  
• 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
  
  
  
• Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
  
  
  
• Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
  
  
  
• Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
  
  
  
• Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
  

“the spirit of God” 4x *25x

• Exodus 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
  
  
  
• Exodus 35:31 And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;
  
  
  
• Numbers 24:2 And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding in his tents according to their tribes; and the spirit of God came upon him.
  
  
  
• Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;
  

“The Spirit of God” *1x

• Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
  

“in the Spirit” 9x

• Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
  
  
  
• Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
  
  
  
• Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
  
  
  
• Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
  
  
  
• Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
  
  
  
• Colossians 1:8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.
  
  
  
• 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
  
  
  
• Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
  

“in the spirit” 29x



“the Spirit of God” 20x *25x

• Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of Godmoved upon the face of the waters.
  
  
  
• Genesis 41:38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?
  
  
  
• 1 Samuel 10:10 And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them.
  
  
  
• 1 Samuel 11:6 And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly.
  
  
  
• 1 Samuel 19:20 And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied.
  
  
  
• 1 Samuel 19:23 And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah.
  
  
  
• 2 Chronicles 15:1 And the Spirit of God came upon Azariah the son of Oded:
  
  
  
• 2 Chronicles 24:20 And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, which stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God, Why transgress ye the commandments of the LORD, that ye cannot prosper? because ye have forsaken the LORD, he hath also forsaken you.
  
  
  
• Ezekiel 11:24 ¶ Afterwards the spirit took me up, and brought me in a vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity. So the vision that I had seen went up from me.
  
  
  
• Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
  
  
  
• Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
  
  
  
• Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
  
  
  
• Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
  
  
  
• Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
  
  
  
• 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
  
  
  
• 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
  
  
  
• 1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
  
  
  
• 1 Corinthians 7:40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
  
  
  
• 1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
  
  
  
• 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
  

 

[Ceptor]

If I post anything here it will be from the true Word of God. All bibles do not send forth the same message, so I only stay in the pages of One. Sorry if you feel offended.

It is a strong subject this here subject about versions. There are God's children on both sides.

While for years I held very solidly to the KJV as the only true Bible, I have since revised my opinion to a degree on it. Not to the discredit of the King James Version by any means.. I still believe it is THE Bible commissioned by Almighty God, and have a large large list of reasons for that.

But... As years go by, I've come to accept a few things.

One ---> People are saved even through the other versions. This means that God speaks to them through these versions. Did I like the fact this is true? No, not back when. I hold a deep love for my KJV, and grudgingly gave in to God on this realization.

Two ---> Sometimes the KJV is hard to read. (note: this is true of all versions though to a degree) In places here or there, the way language was used in King James day it is hard to follow at times. I personally believe those that translated the KJV understood language better than those of today, as it is all they spent their time on. No computers. Pen and paper. (or quill) I believe the version of language used in the Bible is superior to what we use today, as it is more accurate. This is the reason they wrote it with thee, thou, and thy actually, as there is no confusion who the speaker is talking to. Hebrew is like this in that you aren't confused with words like "you" which can mean just you, or "you people" or "you two"... it could be nearly any number... singular and/or plural.

Three---> I don't think for one second that God will allow them to screw up the translations beyond being useful for Him. I've come to the conclusion that though I feel the KJV is irreplaceable in its accuracy and that it should hold as the standard... no matter who translated it, He was there and wouldn't allow them to twist it but so far. I've heard stories of God doing supernatural things to those who didn't believe in Him yet took on translating His Word and were planning something God didn't approve of. Considering how badly they could have messed it up.. (especially using the Westcott-Hort instead of Textus Receptus) God wouldn't let them do but so much. I believe there are Evil twists in some versions.. and have actually seen some pretty wicked works of deception placed in Bibles. But I truly believe this is a Romans 8:28 issue and God is using Evil against itself.

With all that said, I don't think anyone is Evil in particular for using a version they like.

From what I've studied, the King James Version is unparalleled and don't ever see that changing. So my KJV is my absolute no alternative, and other versions, for me, are my commentaries.

I have two main Bibles I use these days. Mostly my KJV, and if I read something that leaves me a little cross eyed, I pick up my ESV and check a modern rendering.. when I get the point of the passage, I pick the KJV up and re-read it.. and it makes perfect sense.

One other thing to note. You will find no other Bible in this world that you can distribute for free without breaking a copyright law. My ESV is a good resource to me, but it is an extra to the Canon I hold as sacred. As already stated here in a post, only my KJV can be copied legally for free.. they are going to want some money if they knew about copying the ESV.

I also believe many other things on this subject. But it's best to keep it short. Last point I make is this:

When people are reading different Bibles... know who gets most confused? The ones reading anything besides the KJV. I truly believe it increases intelligence. The longer I read the KJV the easier it becomes.

I can pick up any version and understand what the passage is about. But they can't always pick up my KJV and do that... that tells me something. There is power in it. It expands the mind. And I believe God done that on purpose.

Not to mention, don't even get me started on "group reading" and "quoting verses"... :laugh: They all get mixed up on that issue.

 

[Ceptor]

PS, ( noticed some other comments above ) --- to understand the reason the KJV is the absolute rock solid accurate version.. It takes some real research. And even then, you have to sort through misinformation and distinguish what is true and what isn't.. because let's be honest, the internet isn't the KJV. lol --- ( If you'd like some reasons message me and I'll try to find some of the same research I've done previously. Please don't think I'm condemning you reading your preferred version )

[edit] Starting a thread on why. If anyone has curiosities they may find what I come across periodically posted there.

HAllyson.. just curious. Why is it we are counting again? And have you ever owned a Concordance? I have a Strong's Version that was bought for me I had asked for a number of years ago.. BEST accomplice to my KJV Bible I've EVER had. I love it. Can look up every single word in Greek or Hebrew in a quick minute.

And as far as counting goes.. oh dear.. With a concordance and your love for counting, you'd be like a baby elephant in a pool full of peanuts.. lol

 

[HAllyson]

the internet isn't the KJV

I think you and I are in agreement about more things than you realize. Anyone who is struggling with this issue should indeed conduct their own research, and seek out answers from as many resources as possible. If your statement is in reference to the website I quoted in my forum post, I should mention the site is a link to download a free program someone wrote for free. It is a program containing every word of the KJV bible beginning to end. When you enter a word to search, the program pulls up every verse containing the word. The program also lists the number of occurrences, what chapter your in, there are more options than I should really describe here. You do not even really have to download the program it is available to use free from the website in your browser. (Good stuff). I keep my bible handy and check to see if the scripture matches up with what I'm seeing in front of me. Of course, if it be God's will, more and more people will study in a similar fashion, making sure we're all seeing the same things.

(In regards to everything I said above, it is much simpler to just believe, and trust that the Word of God is truth. Look for God in His words, and there you will find Him. He does not hide from us).

Proverbs 1: 22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? 23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Psalms 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

Why is it we are counting again?

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Counting is apparently important in the bible. For instance, in revelation, we are told to count the number of the beast.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

In the following passage Solomon writes:

Ecclesiastes 7: 25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:....Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:

A pastor I am quite fond of found a connection between these two verses. In revelation we are told the number of the beast. Ecclesiastes 7:25 is the 666th book of the bible. In both verses, we see that wisdom is gained by counting. I think it is safe to say that if one has faith that every word of the bible is true, then preacher Solomon is spot on. From both the new and old testaments of the bible, here we find a double witness of the importance of numbers and counting in regards to wisdom.

I count because it has blessed me to do so. I am not telling anyone what they must do. I'm telling everyone it's not a bad idea.

I love God. He comforts me. He chastens me. He loves me, and I don't deserve that.

Psalm 139: 17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! 18 If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.

have you ever owned a Concordance?

I have not. I have heard many things about this book but here is my theory concerning this subject and my personal relationship with God: I do not speak Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, or Latin. Like most folks, I know a few things here and there about other languages, but nothing substantial or impressive. I speak English. That's it. I am currently learning about the Kings English, by which the standards of our language were first established. (We poor folks were probably never meant to understand proper English, but by the Grace of God we are learning. Go figure, some people make fun of southerners for their accent, and manner of speech, but they often resemble the the King's English more so than other dialects). When I get hung up on a word, I like to check several English dictionaries (the older the better). This has been quite helpful. The bible also includes a word or phrase that explains the word you may not understand within the verse or sometimes even chapter you are reading. Thank you for this advice, it still seems like a good resource to have!



Thank you for the replies!