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Concerning Love....I have discovered a virus

Permetheus

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Please help me here. I don't want to appear pessimistic, but I wonder if the love God speaks of, we really possess. I have been walking this Christwalk for a good minute now, & I am frightened concerning the callousness of people that profess relationship with God. I know that in the last days, because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold, however, I also remember Rev. 3, speaking on the Ephesian church. Their works were notable, but because they forgot their first love(Christ) all that they did fell outside of love. Is it safe to say that we as people of God know more about exposure than repair? To operate in gifts without compassion? To degrade & denounce each other, rather than help one another to succeed in the common goal? It hurts my heart to see so much damage being done to those who have a zeal, but not according to knowledge. Someone share some insight, because every since I can remember, I have been hated for the very gifts God gave me to help edify the body with. I love God with all I have inside & out, but this is disheartening.
 
Jesus said, My people are killed all the day long for their lack of knowledge!

So important is balanced knowledge that Peter devotes much to the subject of knowledge.

2 Peter 1:2-11

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge ;

6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
KJV

However, notice that it is the knowledge of Jesus Christ and a loving temperment and character. Rather than mere knowledge, Peter is really showing us that we are to have Godly/Christly Wisdom!

On the subject of Wisdom we look at James 1:

James 1:5-9

5 If any of you lack wisdom , let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
KJV

Now for a caution we need look at James 3:

James 3:13-18

13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom .

14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
KJV


Now that we have tested what you are talking about against the "Word of God" we can say with confidence that we are given the gift of salvation as an expression of God's love that we are expected to share with others as a positive example of God's love toward others.

In short, your concerns are correct and well founded. We are to Love God and Love our neighbors! We are to build up, not tear down. We are to be grateful for our gift of salvation, not by becoming self righteous and judgmental, but by humility sharing our love, peace and joy with our as yet unsaved or confused brethren. But, we are not to sow dissention, judgement and criticism. We are to sow patience, love and understanding, not degrading, denouncing or otherwise criticizing, these are not the traits of a loving son or daughter of God.

If we walk in the Spirit, we shall show forth good fruits of love joy peace and kindness, but if we walk in self then shall our fruits be unGodly and worldly and unprofitable.

Now as to your other comment, "I have been hated." Once again we can go the the Word of God and we find that Jesus told his disciples that they should expect to be hated because He had been hated; persecuted because He had been persecuted.

You can count it all joy that you are treated as Christ was treated. Be diligent and patient in His service

God Bless you my friend, your instincts and discernments are correct.
 
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Jesus had the same problem with the Pharisees. The Pharisees were good Jews, they followed the law to the letter but they forgot about the love of God! Jesus said to rejoice when others hate you. I think it is hard to love those who hate you, yet Jesus said to do just that:
Luk 6:35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping to receive nothing back; and your reward shall be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.
In the end, by following the words of our Lord, you will be rewarded. :)
 
Love is very important.

We should make every effort to love one another and support one another.
However, as Martin Luther aptly said, "We can not permit our love to be so merciful as to tolerate and endure false doctrine. When faith and doctrine are concerned and endangered, neither love nor patience are in order.... when these are concerned, neither toleration nor mercy are in order, but only anger, dispute, and destruction -- to be sure, only with the Word of God as our weapon." The key line of this is that last, "only with the Word of God as a weapon." I would further add a reminder that we should also be careful to always season any correction or chiding with gentle encouragement.

We have to be careful that we don't become so focused on love and tolerance that we loose sight of advocating correct doctrine and the true gospel.

It's sad that you have been mistreated. One of the first Christian communities I found online (I won't name it) was sorely lacking in love. The members regularly insulted anyone who did not agree with them on issues of scriptural interpretation (I was called an "idiot" for believing in a young Earth), and their posts were fairly dripping with sarcasm and condescension. I left it almost immediately.

The absence of love is a sure indication of an absence of Christ.
 
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While I agree completely with your statement that we must not tolerate false doctrine, the WORD cautions that we confront this falsity with correction that has conviction without anger, correction without judgment and re-direction with encouragement and love.

I believe that in the name of "correct doctrine" many have become contentious, argumentative, and mean spirited resulting in the loss of brethren and bad witness. I believe that the Word urges us to contend for the faith with the love of Christ in our hearts so that our example is an example of Christ's love.
 
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While I agree completely with your statement that we must not tolerate false doctrine, the WORD cautions that we confront this falsity with correction that has conviction without anger, correction without judgment and re-direction with encouragement and love.

I believe that in the name of "correct doctrine" many have become contentious, argumentative, and mean spirited resulting in the loss of brethren and bad witness. I believe that the Word urges us to contend for the faith with the love of Christ in our hearts so that our example is an example of Christ's love.

While I agree that we should not attack, belittle, or harshly rebuke anyone without also showing them support, love, and tenderness, John The Baptist and Christ Himself often confronted hypocrisy and false doctrine in anger. And the Lord was certainly angry when he cleared the Temple.

This isn't to say I advocate screaming at someone who say, insists that the Trinity is false. But I do say, counter them with scripture and a sound argument (yes, argument - it's not a dirty word). Lol.

I don't believe for a moment that John for instance, or Paul would sit still while someone was promoting bad theology. They would counter with Biblical truth. To some folks using a little common sense to determine correct doctrine is being "argumentative". And they don't want you to do it. They insist we've no right to judge (which isn't Biblical, as they apply it - John 7:24 admonishes us to ''judge righteous judgment'' ), and feel that we should water down our rebuke of aberrant theology and sinful lifestyles. Speak softly and carrier a wet noodle, I call it.

But in my heart, I think the Lord was closer to Teddy Roosevelt. Speak softly and carry a big stick. Because sometimes a brother or a sister comes along and nothing but a proverbial "whack" with a Bible will help them see things clearly. I know I needed that. Of course, I don't insist we physically assault anyone, or even raise our voices at them. But we must present the truth forcefully at times, and drive home the points the Lord would want us to make. If I love my brother or sister, I can do no less than make a maximum effort to bring them the truth of God's Word. If not, what will I say to them on Judgment day when they convict me with a stare and ask me why I allowed them to continue with beliefs or a lack of belief when I knew it would lead to death? Do I say, "Well, I'm awfully sorry about that. But, you see, I didn't want you mad at me. And I didn't want anyone to say I was grumpy, or being argumentative. I just sort of hoped that by smiling and putting an arm around you and backing off our talks whenever things became a little too contentious, that you'd eventually figure it all out for yourself. I sure am sorry to hear the Lord say he never knew you."

I feel that "love" is becoming a subtle cover-up word for ecumenism, which is a reduction of all faith and belief to the lowest common denominator and is in opposition to the gospel. It's also being used to deflect our responsibility to attend to matters of bad theology ourselves.

Just because a father corrects his son or rebukes him that errs, that does not mean he doesn't love him. It means quite the opposite when done Biblically. Because I do care, because I do love you, I am going to pull at the stops when it comes to helping you come to a fuller understanding of the scriptures and God's plan for your life. As I hope others would do (and have done) for me.
 
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Ok I agree with that. But if you do not do these things with the love of Christ in your heart (which was my original point) then you , i or anyone else for that matter do it in sin!

Also, should one simply use the situation to exhibit intensity (or perhaps anger) then I say we are not righteous and we give bad witness. I do not hand off responsibility for correction when I perceive it is needed. If I did I would simply have allowed this to go unanswered.

We have the power and authority of Christ through the Spirit, but we also have a responsibility to be good witnesses of His love.

I shall always remember this no matter how much my flesh cries out to do otherwise.

God Bless and keep you
 
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