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Code of Hammurabi And The Bible

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Hello there.


I come to everyone available with an itching question that has been both bothering my spirituality and my belief in God.


I came across the other the thought of "Could the Ten Commandments that Moses gave to the Israelite's really be just a copy and reformed version of the Code of Hammurabi?"

I have asked a couple people concerning this, and it has weighed very heavy on my heart.


I do believe that emotion does help bond the relationship with Jesus, but hard evidence and proof seems to only help this analytical mind I have when questions like these come about.


I am at a loss here, and will keep researching the subject. But I hope someone, anyone from this site can help me and steer me into the direction I want to be going.


Thank you very much, and I hope everyone's day remains joyous.


Derrick.
 
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Hello there.


I come to everyone available with an itching question that has been both bothering my spirituality and my belief in God.


I came across the other the thought of "Could the Ten Commandments that Moses gave to the Israelite's really be just a copy and reformed version of the Code of Hammurabi?"

I have asked a couple people concerning this, and it has weighed very heavy on my heart.


I do believe that emotion does help bond the relationship with Jesus, but hard evidence and proof seems to only help this analytical mind I have when questions like these come about.


I am at a loss here, and will keep researching the subject. But I hope someone, anyone from this site can help me and steer me into the direction I want to be going.


Thank you very much, and I hope everyone's day remains joyous.


Derrick.
Yes there are laws older than Moses, but ask yourself? whos law stood the test of time?

You will find many sceptics when it comes to old testament happenings. They can't agree on the dates or date of the Exodus. But look what i found while looking up on some of this.....

One possible explanation for plagues and the parting of the water is the Santorini volcano eruption and tsunami that occurred sometime possibly coincident with the exodus.

According to tsunami experts, the massive volcanic eruption on the Greek island of Santorini around 1600 BCE could have generated a giant tidal wave or tsunami that struck the Nile Delta, parting of the sea, triggered the ten plagues during the time of Moses' escape from Egypt.

Tsunamis are often preceded by the water withdrawing from the shore. A mega-tsunami caused by Santorini's volcano would siphon billions of gallons of water - not just from the shore but from connecting rivers and lakes - creating dry land for as long as two hours.

This would give Moses and the Israelites enough time to cross, although maybe not 3 million of them. Heavier chariots may well have been bogged down in the mud. Evidence is based on findings along the rock beddings of shorelines in Africa and Egypt.

Several authors have pointed out similarities between the description of Mount Sinai in Exodus and descriptions of erupting volcanoes.

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Jesus said to deny ourselves and take up the cross, God reveals himself to us, there is no need to doubt. As a matter of fact, Paul says men have no excuse after they look at nature, to deny the existance of God.

For one thing carbon dateing is not foolproof, and satan has his way of getting us to lose our faith. There is a section here called Creation verses Evolution, you can check it out. Below...

http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural-answers/7943-creation-vs-evolution.html

God bless
 
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I do thank you very much for the answer... granted it has stood the test of time...


but which code has stood the test of time...if the tablets could have possibly been copied from the earlier code of Hammurabi? Still, couldn't have Moses taken the Code of Hammurabi and used it as the Ten Commandments.
 
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I do thank you very much for the answer... granted it has stood the test of time...


but which code has stood the test of time...if the tablets could have possibly been copied from the earlier code of Hammurabi? Still, couldn't have Moses taken the Code of Hammurabi and used it as the Ten Commandments.
The answer quite plainly is no. Why? Because we are called to have faith, without having evidince. Brother Fellowservant, you are a dear brother, but I totally disagree with your viewpoint.

Let's take a few Highlites out of the Bible.

Miracles glorify God:

Acts 19:11-20 NKJV


Miracles Glorify Christ

11 Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, 12 so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them. 13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We<sup>[a]</sup> exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” 14 Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?”
16 Then the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered<sup>[b]</sup> them, and prevailed against them,<sup>[c]</sup> so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. 17 This became known both to all Jews and Greeks dwelling in Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. 18 And many who had believed came confessing and telling their deeds. 19 Also, many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted up the value of them, and it totaled fifty thousand pieces of silver. 20 So the word of the Lord grew mightily and prevailed.


Saying a miraculous event, which God created is something "natural" defies the word miracle, doesn't it? Why does every Christian today try to take away from the Glory and Absolute Wonder and Magnificince of the Lord?

I get sad when I see it. Public leaders, theologians, Pastors, Evangelists try and explain God's WORKS OF HIS MIGHTY POWER AND MIGHT as a natural event, something which happened by "chance" or with a little nudge from God.

John 21:25 NKJV
And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.


God is ALL Powerful, All Knowing and NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE to Him. All Glory, Power and Might belong to Him. The taste of His wonders we have experienced is nothing compared to what He is capable of.

If we say that God's miracles were "natural" events and something not miraculous or out of the ordinary, we might as well say that we all evolved from apes or some fish species or a little worm, but as for me, I believe in the Allmighty Yahweh, incapable of failure, incapable of a mistake, did He not even create the effect of a "mistake"? Why did He create us with failure? It's not a result of sin, Adam and Eve weren't perfect, it's so that we can learn, learn from your mistakes isn't just a saying, it's the truth.

Don't take away from who God is, Magnify His name and Share the Gospel of the Cross, the only Gospel there is and live your life in absolute faith, without questioning, for your silly questions may lead to a hardened hart, or your complete downfall.

God bless
Much love
Faithful Son
 
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The answer quite plainly is no. Why? Because we are called to have faith, without having evidince. Brother Fellowservant, you are a dear brother, but I totally disagree with your viewpoint.
Hi brother what viewpoint do you disagree with? The tsunami? Just wondering, because i just threw that in there. God doesn't need tsunamis to do miracles, i just thought it was an interesting article.

God can still use a tsunami. In the new testament Paul and Silas were singing in a jail, then there was an earthquake, and it caused the jail doors to open to let them out. So yes, God can use whatever he choses to use, its still a miraculous event if God does it.

God bless brother
 
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Hey It Is Him 7, check out these threads for evidence of the Bible and evidence of miracles.

Evidence, Prophecy, Facts - Talk Jesus

This is the same forum you posted this thread in, just browse around the sticky threads (on top) and you'll see what I'm talking about.
 
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Hi brother what viewpoint do you disagree with? The tsunami? Just wondering, because i just threw that in there. God doesn't need tsunamis to do miracles, i just thought it was an interesting article.

God can still use a tsunami. In the new testament Paul and Silas were singing in a jail, then there was an earthquake, and it caused the jail doors to open to let them out. So yes, God can use whatever he choses to use, its still a miraculous event if God does it.

God bless brother
Yes brother Fellowservant. I disagree with the Tsunami. It might be an interesting article, but we are called to be like children in our faith, but not in our understanding of spiritual issues. This means, we must have a so called "blind view" of what God is capable of, we must accept it as Him doing it without us knowing how and that's my point.

Too many people, like I've mentioned, "naturalize" the works of God and that's a grievious thing to do. If Jesus comes in His Glory and Might, then we won't have time to work out the "facts or evidence" or how He came, He'll just have arrived.

I'm not saying you are guilty of this, but many people are. God is Spectacular, Amazing and Wonderful and I'm happy to serve a God who's Power is endless.
 
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Yes brother Fellowservant. I disagree with the Tsunami. It might be an interesting article, but we are called to be like children in our faith, but not in our understanding of spiritual issues. This means, we must have a so called "blind view" of what God is capable of, we must accept it as Him doing it without us knowing how and that's my point.

Too many people, like I've mentioned, "naturalize" the works of God and that's a grievious thing to do. If Jesus comes in His Glory and Might, then we won't have time to work out the "facts or evidence" or how He came, He'll just have arrived.

I'm not saying you are guilty of this, but many people are. God is Spectacular, Amazing and Wonderful and I'm happy to serve a God who's Power is endless.


Christian apologetics is the field of study concerned with the systematic defense of Christianity. The term "apologetic" comes from the Greek word apologia (απολογία), which means in defense of. Therefore, a skilled person involved in Christian or Bible Apologetics is a defender of Christianity.

Those who engage in Christian apologetics are called "Christian apologists". Christian apologetics have taken many forms over the centuries, starting with Paul of Tarsus, including writers such as Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas, and continuing currently with the modern Christian community, through the efforts of many authors in various Christian traditions such as C.S. Lewis.

Apologists have based their defense of Christianity on favoring interpretations of historical evidence, philosophical arguments, scientific investigation, and other disciplines.
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This is called apologetics brother, and many good christian men were apologist. Theres nothing wrong with this, as it gives some proof to the existance of God for unbelievers, or people who have grown weak in their faith. When saints teach apologetics its to build up a persons faith in God, not to tear it down. Or have them walk around with blind faith, So this is a good thing not a bad thing

Some notable Christian apologists include:

Jimmy Akin
Gleason Archer
Greg L. Bahnsen
Francis J. Beckwith
Hilaire Belloc
Craig L Blomberg
Edward John Carnell
G. K. Chesterton
Gordon Clark
William Lane Craig
William Dembski
Jerry Falwell
John Frame
Norman Geisler
Michael Green
Douglas Groothuis
Gary Habermas
Scott Hahn
Ken Ham
Hank Hanegraaff
Carl F. H. Henry
Dietrich von Hildebrand
Kent Hovind
Dave Hunt
Karl Keating
D. James Kennedy
Greg Koukl
Peter Kreeft
C.S. Lewis
Paul Little
Patrick Madrid
Alister McGrath
Walter Martin
Albert Mohler
John Warwick Montgomery
J. P. Moreland
Henry M. Morris
Alvin Plantinga
Clark Pinnock
Bernard Ramm
Hugh Ross
Jonathan Sarfati
Francis A. Schaeffer
R. C. Sproul
Charles Spurgeon
Lee Strobel
Robert Sungenis
Cornelius Van Til
James R. White
Carl Wieland
Douglas Wilson
Nicholas Wolterstorff
Ravi Zacharias


God bless brother
 
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Hello It Is Him7,

Hammarabbi's code is traditionally dated prior to the 1450 BC exodus. That dating is not trouble free, and synchronisms with other Anatolian, Eastern, and Egyptian chronologies as well as Greek and Mycenaean are in a state of disarray. Biblical chronological data if taken as a starting point for synchronisms is capable of reconstructing the current forced construction of Egyptian chronology and eliminating a whole host of anomalies.

The Exodus Problem and It's ramifications , a book by D.A. Courville, 1971 is one such attempt that is very convincing. Before him, and on other grounds a man by the name of Immanuel Velikovsky was demanding the same kind of revision of the current archeological ages asserting the undue lengthening of Egyptian dynasties. There are other investigators pressing for the same revisions today. The up-shot of all this is that revised chronology places Hammarabbi reign much earlyer and after Joshua's period well into the setting where the Mosaic code would be common knowledge in the commerce of that part of the world.

Thus the 'who copied who' notion is reversed. The same holds for the Babylonian flood accounts as well. If you google ancient chronologies you should discover many of the current efforts in this direction.

In any event, it is clear that the presupposition driving the question originally, as well as the speculation concerning the un-history of the Bible, is not a given. Far from it, the preponderance of real evidence favors the Biblical chronology. You may let your analytical brain rest: the Creator did not fail in handing unto us a trustworthy revelation, unflawed, uncorrupted, and complete. It claims not to be a science book nor a theology book for that matter; a higher claim it makes. It claims for itself: truth. That makes its data relevant in all fields.

hope this helps 7....DGB
 
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Hello It Is Him7,

Hammarabbi's code is traditionally dated prior to the 1450 BC exodus. That dating is not trouble free, and synchronisms with other Anatolian, Eastern, and Egyptian chronologies as well as Greek and Mycenaean are in a state of disarray. Biblical chronological data if taken as a starting point for synchronisms is capable of reconstructing the current forced construction of Egyptian chronology and eliminating a whole host of anomalies.

The Exodus Problem and It's ramifications , a book by D.A. Courville, 1971 is one such attempt that is very convincing. Before him, and on other grounds a man by the name of Immanuel Velikovsky was demanding the same kind of revision of the current archeological ages asserting the undue lengthening of Egyptian dynasties. There are other investigators pressing for the same revisions today. The up-shot of all this is that revised chronology places Hammarabbi reign much earlyer and after Joshua's period well into the setting where the Mosaic code would be common knowledge in the commerce of that part of the world.

Thus the 'who copied who' notion is reversed. The same holds for the Babylonian flood accounts as well. If you google ancient chronologies you should discover many of the current efforts in this direction.

In any event, it is clear that the presupposition driving the question originally, as well as the speculation concerning the un-history of the Bible, is not a given. Far from it, the preponderance of real evidence favors the Biblical chronology. You may let your analytical brain rest: the Creator did not fail in handing unto us a trustworthy revelation, unflawed, uncorrupted, and complete. It claims not to be a science book nor a theology book for that matter; a higher claim it makes. It claims for itself: truth. That makes its data relevant in all fields.

hope this helps 7....DGB

WoW Whoo I have been a Pastor and preacher of the gospel of Jesus 45 years. I would not know Hammarabbi's code, fom my uncle George

Thanks for your help brother DGB Please keep in touch
 

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