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Sue my dear friend....I dig deep. That's where I get it. LOL, I know that you don't really think the mark is 666. What do you really think the mark is? Not a card, not a head or wrist band as has been proposed. It has to be a tattoo but that will not work with electronics reliably. It has to be a chip. And yes. An electronic field embedded under your skin WOULD affect your DNA. If the frequencies were right they could and no doubt would alter your DNA to the point where you are no longer human. Now you can deny that and go on with your life, or you can dig deep too and find out for yourself. Belief does not alter fact.

Bendito -- human beings will Always be human beings. Evolutionary theory suggests that man evolved from chimps or orangatang or some other form of monkey -- but that simply didn't happen. God created mankind special -- distinct from animals world. A human being will Always be a human being. The 'soul' / heart of a person accept Christ as Savior. The Holy Spirit indwells the soul of a person and never leaves until we are safe in the arms of Jesus Christ. THAT is Biblical.

There IS a genetic disorder that results in excessive hair growth all over the body. The person might Look part human and part animal , but that person is Still totally human.
 
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Bendito -- human beings will Always be human beings. Evolutionary theory suggests that man evolved from chimps or orangatang or some other form of monkey -- but that simply didn't happen. God created mankind special -- distinct from animals world. A human being will Always be a human being. The 'soul' / heart of a person accept Christ as Savior. The Holy Spirit indwells the soul of a person and never leaves until we are safe in the arms of Jesus Christ. THAT is Biblical.

There IS a genetic disorder that results in excessive hair growth all over the body. The person might Look part human and part animal , but that person is Still totally human.
If you say so Sue. :shades:
 
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Bendito -- I've been researching about the Nephilim and/ or the really big giants. The article I found strongly suggested that when the Israelites were conquering Canaan and the surrounding areas -- that That was when the giants were conquered. They disappeared. Now -- we Do still see Very large built people -- but giants are Not a cross between us and any other species of people.

You said that you simply 'dig deep -- really deep' I suggest that instead of digging so extremely deep and end up reading things into Scripture that simply are not there, that 'we' realize that not all giant people are the result of very Old Testament happenings. The Nephilim and angels mating with human women and the result was the existence of mighty men of valor. That happened way back Then. Just like we don't see any more of the crossing of the Red Sea on dry ground. that was a one-time happening.

Please -- let's Not get upset with the concept of people's DNA getting messed up and find that 'we' Might loose being fully human because of the 666 mark. And, I was just thinking -- isn't That 666 supposed to take place during the 7 yr tribulation period. The church isn't going to be 'here' any longer. God Does say that He will judge people horribly for taking the mark. But there will be people accepting Christ then, also. So -- apparently 'those' Christians will have that choice to make.

Also -- if the angels Did mate with human women -- the angelic world is usually invisible -- but when they take on human form -- they don't have souls. Demon world doesn't, either.

Anyway -- we only have 'today' to be sure of. So -- make sure of our salvation Now. We Won't loose our salvation.

Maybe it's sort of like donkeys mating with horses. Their off-spring are sterile - they Can't reproduce. Or they don't reproduce after That generation.
 
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Bendito -- I've been researching about the Nephilim and/ or the really big giants. The article I found strongly suggested that when the Israelites were conquering Canaan and the surrounding areas -- that That was when the giants were conquered. They disappeared. Now -- we Do still see Very large built people -- but giants are Not a cross between us and any other species of people.

You said that you simply 'dig deep -- really deep' I suggest that instead of digging so extremely deep and end up reading things into Scripture that simply are not there, that 'we' realize that not all giant people are the result of very Old Testament happenings. The Nephilim and angels mating with human women and the result was the existence of mighty men of valor. That happened way back Then. Just like we don't see any more of the crossing of the Red Sea on dry ground. that was a one-time happening.

Please -- let's Not get upset with the concept of people's DNA getting messed up and find that 'we' Might loose being fully human because of the 666 mark. And, I was just thinking -- isn't That 666 supposed to take place during the 7 yr tribulation period. The church isn't going to be 'here' any longer. God Does say that He will judge people horribly for taking the mark. But there will be people accepting Christ then, also. So -- apparently 'those' Christians will have that choice to make.

Also -- if the angels Did mate with human women -- the angelic world is usually invisible -- but when they take on human form -- they don't have souls. Demon world doesn't, either.

Anyway -- we only have 'today' to be sure of. So -- make sure of our salvation Now. We Won't loose our salvation.

Maybe it's sort of like donkeys mating with horses. Their off-spring are sterile - they Can't reproduce. Or they don't reproduce after That generation.
Sue...I didn't say the Giants were a cross between humans and another species of people. I said they are a cross between human women and Fallen angels.

The mighty men of valor.....Yeah...Gibborim. Means 'Mighty men' or 'Men of great stature' Giants...Cause by fallen angels mating with human women. Not complicated at all...What did I read into the scripture? Why do you say the giants were a one time happening? You can read, and quite well too. So read Genesis 6:4 again. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, It happened more than once!

Are you getting upset about the DNA thing? I'm sorry...It is the only thing that makes any sense though. You said that at the time the mark is being taken, the church will be gone....I beg to differ there too, my friend. The Bride will be gone...The Bride is not all of the church, only the part of the church that has made 'herself' ready. Only those who are looking for His coming... Revelation 12 speaks of the lady, the church giving birth to the manchild who is immediately caught up. That manchild, the one new man, is the bride.

Lastly, you said "Also -- if the angels Did mate with human women -- the angelic world is usually invisible -- but when they take on human form -- they don't have souls. Demon world doesn't, either."
All I can say to that is Wow! Where did you get that?!
 
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Several Native American tribes, all separated by some distance, have a similar legend: that a race of white giants once walked the Earth but were eventually wiped out.

These are the legends. Remember though, All legends have their roots in fact.

Comanches

Chief Rolling Thunder of the Comanches, a Great Plains tribe, once gave the following account of a race of white giants in 1857:

“Innumerable moons ago, a race of white men, 10 feet high, and far more rich and powerful than any white people now living, here inhabited a large range of country, extending from the rising to the setting sun. Their fortifications crowned the summits of the mountains, protecting their populous cities situated in the intervening valleys.

“They excelled every other nation which was flourished, either before or since, in all manner of cunning handicraft—were brave and warlike—ruling over the land they had wrested from its ancient possessors with a high and haughty hand. Compared with them the palefaces of the present day were pygmies, in both art and arms.”

Rolling Thunder stated that the Great Spirit wiped out the white giants when they forgot justice and mercy and became too proud.

Navajo

The Navajo also spoke of a race of white giants, called the Starnake people. Their legend describes them as a “regal race of white giants endowed with mining technology who dominated the West, enslaved lesser tribes, and had strongholds all through the Americas. They were either extinguished or ‘went back to the heavens.’”

Choctaw

The Choctaw tribe told of a race of giants that once inhabited what is now Tennessee. Their ancestors fought against them when they arrived in Mississippi during their westward migration. Their tradition talks of the Nahullo, their name for the giant race, and their wonderful stature.

Manta

According to the Manta people of Peru, there were once giants that lived among them. According to their legend: “There arrived on the coast, in boats made of reeds, as big as large ships, a party of men of such size that, from the knee downwards, their height was as great as the entire height of an ordinary man, though he might be of good stature. Their limbs were all in proportion to the deformed size of their bodies, and it was a monstrous thing to see their heads, with hair reaching to the shoulders. Their eyes were as large as small plates.” The natives believe that heaven wiped them out due to their sexual habits, which the natives found revolting.

Paiutes

The Paiutes have an oral legend of red-haired, white cannibals that stood about 10 feet tall and lived near Lovelock Cave, Nevada. It’s hard to know for sure if this oral tradition is true or if the truth has been distorted over time and these were just normal sized cannibals that lived near Lovelock Cave.

Some similar Piutes legends feature the same story just without the giants. Archaeologists have found remains of people with red hair in the area.

Timucua

The Timucua were a Native American people who lived in Northeast and North Central Florida and southeast Georgia. They were the largest indigenous group in that area and consisted of about 35 chiefdoms, many leading thousands of people. The various groups of Timucua spoke several dialects of the Timucua language. At the time of European contact, the territory occupied by speakers of Timucuan dialects occupied about 19,200 square miles, and was home to between 50,000 and 200,000 Timucuans. It stretched from the Altamaha River and Cumberland Island in present-day Georgia as far south as Lake George in central Florida, and from the Atlantic Ocean west to the Aucilla River in the Florida Panhandle, though it reached the Gulf of Mexico at no more than a couple of points. Spanish explorers were shocked at the height of the Timucua. The Timucua had dark skin, usually brown, and black hair. They wore clothes made from moss, and cloth created from various animal skins.

Gigantism effects a few individuals here and there, but not entire tribes of people.
 
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Yes, Bendito -- "they were eventually wiped out".

Legend means from Long ago. Some built upon Facts and some Facts get embellished over time.

I'm Very familiar with DNA -- over time, any changes / breaks in DNA strands only bring short-term Abnormalities. Not long-term positive changes. Evolutionary thought says that it's the accumulation of tiny, positive changes that cause 'new' creatures. One of the big problems with That, is that life happens one generation at a time. If a creature / Person isn't completely okay -- there are problems -- sometimes death occurs and sometimes surgery can fix abnormalities. In other words -- a heart needs to working or it causes problems. so -- a 3 chamber heart CANNOT -- over time -- change into a 4 chamber heart. And That is one thing evolution says happens. That - over time - three chambered hearts evolved into 4 chambers. Just looked that up -- humans have a 4 chambered heart -- frogs have 3 chambers. Which says that in order for animals to be able to evolve into a higher animal -- the size of heart will change. Nothing in a frog can ever evolve into humans. I Also just looked up chimps -- they Also have a 4 chambered heart. Supposedly 'we' are a break-off of chimps - orangatangs -- millions of years ago. but That can't be proved. Merely speculation on the part of the 'experts'.

My point is that DNA does Not work the way you understand it To work. It Only 'works' for the experts because evolution Depends on millions of years of Tiny changes of DNA bringing forth enough 'change' to produce another 'kind' of people. Or 'people' at All. And there's really No evidence of That taking place. There are No 'missing links'.

It Is true that there had been tribes of very big , tall men who mated with women. Ya don't see That anymore than we see Indian tribes any more. Indian men mated with white women, too. Produced half-breeds. That died off , too.

Scripture says that 'we' human beings were created a little lower than the angelic world. The angelic world was created by God but apparently just prior to Our creation. They are God's messengers/ helpers. Since we Do know that angels are capable of taking on the form of human men -- apparently that 'form' included the ability to mate with women. But I've never heard of angels having a soul. Why would they Need one. We have a soul in order to be able to accept Christ as personal Savior or reject Him. They don't need 'redeeming' as we human's do. So it makes sense that the off-spring of mating with women, the children Would have a soul the same as the human mother. That's one of the mysteries of Scripture.

The Bride IS the church -- the Entire church. We Are being warned in Scripture -- To Be Ready. Not to 'play around with' To accept or Not to accept -- until a person has Proof? Nope, doesn't work that way. No one is going to able to 'squeek' through everything in the future and end up in heaven -- due to their 'good works'. Just won't happen that way.

Maybe you're thinking of the agnostic -- their reasoning is that they don't think there's really enough information to make a decision one way or the other about God's existence. Well -- they are Not part of the Church then. All born-again believers Are the Church. The Universal Church. The Local church are people in a specific local geographical area who've accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior.
 
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Several Native American tribes, all separated by some distance, have a similar legend: that a race of white giants once walked the Earth but were eventually wiped out.

These are the legends. Remember though, All legends have their roots in fact.

Comanches

Chief Rolling Thunder of the Comanches, a Great Plains tribe, once gave the following account of a race of white giants in 1857:

“Innumerable moons ago, a race of white men, 10 feet high, and far more rich and powerful than any white people now living, here inhabited a large range of country, extending from the rising to the setting sun. Their fortifications crowned the summits of the mountains, protecting their populous cities situated in the intervening valleys.

“They excelled every other nation which was flourished, either before or since, in all manner of cunning handicraft—were brave and warlike—ruling over the land they had wrested from its ancient possessors with a high and haughty hand. Compared with them the palefaces of the present day were pygmies, in both art and arms.”

Rolling Thunder stated that the Great Spirit wiped out the white giants when they forgot justice and mercy and became too proud.

Navajo

The Navajo also spoke of a race of white giants, called the Starnake people. Their legend describes them as a “regal race of white giants endowed with mining technology who dominated the West, enslaved lesser tribes, and had strongholds all through the Americas. They were either extinguished or ‘went back to the heavens.’”

Choctaw

The Choctaw tribe told of a race of giants that once inhabited what is now Tennessee. Their ancestors fought against them when they arrived in Mississippi during their westward migration. Their tradition talks of the Nahullo, their name for the giant race, and their wonderful stature.

Manta

According to the Manta people of Peru, there were once giants that lived among them. According to their legend: “There arrived on the coast, in boats made of reeds, as big as large ships, a party of men of such size that, from the knee downwards, their height was as great as the entire height of an ordinary man, though he might be of good stature. Their limbs were all in proportion to the deformed size of their bodies, and it was a monstrous thing to see their heads, with hair reaching to the shoulders. Their eyes were as large as small plates.” The natives believe that heaven wiped them out due to their sexual habits, which the natives found revolting.

Paiutes

The Paiutes have an oral legend of red-haired, white cannibals that stood about 10 feet tall and lived near Lovelock Cave, Nevada. It’s hard to know for sure if this oral tradition is true or if the truth has been distorted over time and these were just normal sized cannibals that lived near Lovelock Cave.

Some similar Piutes legends feature the same story just without the giants. Archaeologists have found remains of people with red hair in the area.

Timucua

The Timucua were a Native American people who lived in Northeast and North Central Florida and southeast Georgia. They were the largest indigenous group in that area and consisted of about 35 chiefdoms, many leading thousands of people. The various groups of Timucua spoke several dialects of the Timucua language. At the time of European contact, the territory occupied by speakers of Timucuan dialects occupied about 19,200 square miles, and was home to between 50,000 and 200,000 Timucuans. It stretched from the Altamaha River and Cumberland Island in present-day Georgia as far south as Lake George in central Florida, and from the Atlantic Ocean west to the Aucilla River in the Florida Panhandle, though it reached the Gulf of Mexico at no more than a couple of points. Spanish explorers were shocked at the height of the Timucua. The Timucua had dark skin, usually brown, and black hair. They wore clothes made from moss, and cloth created from various animal skins.

Gigantism effects a few individuals here and there, but not entire tribes of people.
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Bendito -- Hispanic people do tend to be Short -- so Tall to Them -- Giant to them -- Might not be all that Tall.

Kind of like the short child -- he's around grandpa or uncles who are Way Up There -- as the child has to look Way up. In reality -- as the child gets taller and reaches his height -- Grandpa or the uncles were probably close to 6 feet tall, but not Giants.

And That's the way Indians dressed. Off the land. They were much hardier than we are.
 
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Yes, Bendito -- "they were eventually wiped out".

Legend means from Long ago. Some built upon Facts and some Facts get embellished over time.

I'm Very familiar with DNA -- over time, any changes / breaks in DNA strands only bring short-term Abnormalities. Not long-term positive changes. Evolutionary thought says that it's the accumulation of tiny, positive changes that cause 'new' creatures. One of the big problems with That, is that life happens one generation at a time. If a creature / Person isn't completely okay -- there are problems -- sometimes death occurs and sometimes surgery can fix abnormalities. In other words -- a heart needs to working or it causes problems. so -- a 3 chamber heart CANNOT -- over time -- change into a 4 chamber heart. And That is one thing evolution says happens. That - over time - three chambered hearts evolved into 4 chambers. Just looked that up -- humans have a 4 chambered heart -- frogs have 3 chambers. Which says that in order for animals to be able to evolve into a higher animal -- the size of heart will change. Nothing in a frog can ever evolve into humans. I Also just looked up chimps -- they Also have a 4 chambered heart. Supposedly 'we' are a break-off of chimps - orangatangs -- millions of years ago. but That can't be proved. Merely speculation on the part of the 'experts'.

My point is that DNA does Not work the way you understand it To work. It Only 'works' for the experts because evolution Depends on millions of years of Tiny changes of DNA bringing forth enough 'change' to produce another 'kind' of people. Or 'people' at All. And there's really No evidence of That taking place. There are No 'missing links'.

It Is true that there had been tribes of very big , tall men who mated with women. Ya don't see That anymore than we see Indian tribes any more. Indian men mated with white women, too. Produced half-breeds. That died off , too.

Scripture says that 'we' human beings were created a little lower than the angelic world. The angelic world was created by God but apparently just prior to Our creation. They are God's messengers/ helpers. Since we Do know that angels are capable of taking on the form of human men -- apparently that 'form' included the ability to mate with women. But I've never heard of angels having a soul. Why would they Need one. We have a soul in order to be able to accept Christ as personal Savior or reject Him. They don't need 'redeeming' as we human's do. So it makes sense that the off-spring of mating with women, the children Would have a soul the same as the human mother. That's one of the mysteries of Scripture.

The Bride IS the church -- the Entire church. We Are being warned in Scripture -- To Be Ready. Not to 'play around with' To accept or Not to accept -- until a person has Proof? Nope, doesn't work that way. No one is going to able to 'squeek' through everything in the future and end up in heaven -- due to their 'good works'. Just won't happen that way.

Maybe you're thinking of the agnostic -- their reasoning is that they don't think there's really enough information to make a decision one way or the other about God's existence. Well -- they are Not part of the Church then. All born-again believers Are the Church. The Universal Church. The Local church are people in a specific local geographical area who've accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior.
Interesting Sue. Where is the bible does it say that the giants were all wiped out?

Should I have said it will rewrite your DNA, all of it if given time. Then when millions of people take that chip....Take it from there...These people are no longer human. That does not have to affect other people..The thing is...Three and a half years, or even the full seven years..The goal is not to change the human race at that time, but to destroy as many people as the devil can destroy. So tell me...You know a lot about DNA....How much does your DNA have to change before you're no longer human. While the genetic difference between individual humans today is minuscule – about 0.1%, on average – study of the same aspects of the chimpanzee genome indicates a difference of about 1.2% That's a super tiny amount, so, how much of human DNA has to change before he is no longer human? And out of the race forever
And where in the bible does it say that the entire church is the bride? You tell me that I should be using the bible as my evidence but isn't this an assumption?
 
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Bendito -- Hispanic people do tend to be Short -- so Tall to Them -- Giant to them -- Might not be all that Tall.

Kind of like the short child -- he's around grandpa or uncles who are Way Up There -- as the child has to look Way up. In reality -- as the child gets taller and reaches his height -- Grandpa or the uncles were probably close to 6 feet tall, but not Giants.

And That's the way Indians dressed. Off the land. They were much hardier than we are.
It seems that you cannot differentiate between giants and tall humans...The biblical giants were NOT HUMAN. And the biblical giants were never wiped out.
 
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Bendito -- I have a feeling that 'this' discussion is going no-where. You are determined to be on the 'right' track. So be it.

I'm part of the Bride of Christ. And I won't be taking any chip. :smile:
 
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Bendito -- I have a feeling that 'this' discussion is going no-where. You are determined to be on the 'right' track. So be it.

I'm part of the Bride of Christ. And I won't be taking any chip. :smile:
Dear Heart we were not talking about you....were we? I thought we were talking about giants
 
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Bendito -- We were talking about both -- of who is included in the Church = the Bride of Christ. They are the same people. All born-again believers Are the Church and the Church is the Bride of Christ.

And we were Also talking about the giants. And the Nephilim and the computer chips. Believers are not / nor will they/ be gradually changed genetically into other than human 'beings'.

They aren't mentioned outside of Genesis. They aren't mentioned After all those tribes of people were destroyed when the Children of Israel were being led to Canaan -- they were destroying all those neighboring people groups.

And, honestly -- who really knows how many of 'what' are really on the Solomon islands or underground or where ever. That one guy did some interesting investigative reporting.

Is it possible that you're 'digging so deep' that you forget where you're going? You dig so deep that your Bible knowledge gets side-tracked by your keen interest in sci-fi.

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Bendito -- We were talking about both -- of who is included in the Church = the Bride of Christ. They are the same people. All born-again believers Are the Church and the Church is the Bride of Christ.

And we were Also talking about the giants. And the Nephilim and the computer chips. Believers are not / nor will they/ be gradually changed genetically into other than human 'beings'.

They aren't mentioned outside of Genesis. They aren't mentioned After all those tribes of people were destroyed when the Children of Israel were being led to Canaan -- they were destroying all those neighboring people groups.

And, honestly -- who really knows how many of 'what' are really on the Solomon islands or underground or where ever. That one guy did some interesting investigative reporting.

Is it possible that you're 'digging so deep' that you forget where you're going? You dig so deep that your Bible knowledge gets side-tracked by your keen interest in sci-fi.

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Not mentioned anywhere other than Genesis....

Numbers 13:33
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deuteronomy 2:11
Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.

Deuteronomy 2:20
(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

Deuteronomy 3:11
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

Deuteronomy 3:13
And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

Joshua 12:4
And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,

Joshua 13:12
All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

Joshua 15:8
And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:

Joshua 17:15
And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.

Joshua 18:16
And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,

Look up these fellows...They were all giants...Not tall humans but inhuman giants. And then tell me WHERE in the bible we are told that all the giants were destroyed.

As far as the bride is concerned....Get ready, stay ready because He is coming for us SOON.
 
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Bendito -- it would appear that you are getting two different 'giants' confused. There Are still giants in this world - but they are Not of an non-human nature.

And, yes, the rapture will probably Be 'soon' sooner rather than later. Except that no one knows the exact time except for God, the Father. Observe what's going on around the world.
History is being made right in front of us.

It's getting late. Enjoy a good nights' sleep.
 
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Bendito -- it would appear that you are getting two different 'giants' confused. There Are still giants in this world - but they are Not of an non-human nature.

And, yes, the rapture will probably Be 'soon' sooner rather than later. Except that no one knows the exact time except for God, the Father. Observe what's going on around the world.
History is being made right in front of us.

It's getting late. Enjoy a good nights' sleep.
No I am not confusing gigantism with biblical giants...Twenty foot tall humanoids with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, double rows of teeth and red hair are Biblical giants...Eight feet tall like Andre the giant is gigantism.

You sleep well too, my friend.
 

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