Can You Loose Your Salvation?

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"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." —1st John 5:13

I love this verse!... that we may "KNOW," not think, but KNOW that we have eternal life. How could anyone be so foolish as to think that a person could lose "eternal life?" If you can lose it, then is it eternal? No! When God promises us eternal life, that is exactly what He means. Jesus didn't say, "I give unto them temporal life"; no rather, He said, "I give unto them eternal life (John 10:28)." I am eternally secure in Jesus' arms...

"The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms..." —Deuteronomy 33:27

Don't tell me I can lose my salvation! There is NO such teaching in the Bible!

 

[Rant]

Salvation is not doing your best, it is having Christ's best put to your account through receiving Him by faith. Christ died for our sins on the cross, He was buried and raised up bodily from the dead three days later. This is the Gospel (1st Corinthians 15:1-4). John 6:28-29, “Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” Believe and the work is done, you are saved securely and eternally.


Salvation is By Faith Alone in the Gospel

SInce mankind has nothing to do with saving himself, then why would God require men to do something to maintain it? Salvation is of God, not men. Paul said to “work out your own salvation” in Philippians 2:12; the Bible doesn't say to work out GOD'S SALVATION. God saves a person, pulling them out of the fires of Hell, but now that person needs to be recycled. It is up to us whether we yield to the Holy Spirit or not in our daily life, to search and obey the Scriptures. However, salvation and discipleship are two separate things entirely. Whether or not a believer lives a holy life has nothing to do with the “free gift” (Romans 5:15) of salvation. Those who say otherwise are adding works to grace, which the Bible condemns (Romans 11:6). Salvation cannot be by God's grace AND man's self-righteous works. Revelation 22:17 states: “...And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”

We are clearly taught from God's Word that works are NOT essential to our salvation. Titus 3:5 states... “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us...” And again in Ephesians 2:8,9 we are told, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” We are all Hell-deserving sinners! We do NOT have anything to do with salvation except to receive God's free gift by FAITH. Salvation is receiving, NOT giving. Romans 4:5 reads, “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” This is how Abraham was saved in the Old Testament, i.e., his faith was COUNTED for righteousness (Genesis 15:6). Acts 10:43 teaches that Old Testament sinners were saved exactly as they are today... “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

 

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A License to Sin?

I am going to Heaven, regardless of how I live. But you say, that's crazy! No! That's Bible! So do Christians have a license to sin? Yes, if you want to view it that way. Of course, no believer has God's permission to sin, which is why He has set apart a judgment, i.e., the JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST, just for believers (2nd Corinthians 5:10; 1st Thessalonians 4:6; Romans 12:19; 14:12). God expects every believer to fulfill the Law. The Apostle Paul makes this very clear...

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law" —Romans 3:31

"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid." —Romans 6:15

Carefully notice that a believer is NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW. There is no condemnation for the believer. However, a believer who sins must give account to God at the Judgment Seat of Christ someday (2nd Corinthians 5:10). Please read Defraud Not Thy Brother. No one is going to get away with anything friend. It is this misunderstanding that often prompts people to create false doctrines about losing one's salvation. They are tired of phony Christians, and so am I. However, we are all phonies to some degree if we'll be honest with ourselves, because even the best of Christians still sin.

 

[Lanolin]

Hmm I think people can lose faith, but I dont know they can lose salvation. Salvation happens at the end of faith doesnt it, not the beginning. Eternal life starts when you are born again (literally).

If you are saved you are saved in Heaven nobody can snatch you out of His hand and nothing can separate you from God's love.
But since we live in earth in the fallen world for the time being discples still battle and face the enemy trying to get them to stumble. I think it does matter how you live because those that do NOT have the holy spirit, i.e foolish virgins, were locked out, as was the servant that hid his talent in the ground, and the wedding party guest that didnt have his wedding garment. All these people were invited into the Kingdom but they disobeyed, so actually they did lose out on salvation. I suppose its how you look on it though technically, you cannot loose salvation once you have it, but you can miss out on it if you are foolish. Or blinded, or maybe didnt hear.

As for doctrines...many theologians and preachers try to make slogans as a way of shortcut to explain the gospel but I think these slogans can confuse the issue and lead people astray.

Some slogans I've heard 'once saved always saved' 'what would Jesus do' 'faith alone' while all good, we need to search scripture and not just rely on slogans.

What kind of reward we recieve in heaven though is how God views our good works he has prepared us to do but that is separate from being invited into the Kingdom. The thing is there are actually many things that can disqualify us from entering the joy of the Lord..can we continue lying, cheating, engaging in sorcery, adultery, pornography, being violent or cruel, or rebel and expect an inheritance from God? I dont think so.

 

[Lanolin]

Hmm not sure about 'we are all phonies' comment rant...are you a phony? Be honest. Is there something you are covering up? Confess your fault and be healed. See Jesus can set you free if there is some persistant sin you holding on to. Not saying we are all perfect yet we are called to be holy..and not grieve the holy spirit. Look what happene to anais and saphirra when they lied to the holy spirit. Let that be a warning.

Believers are called to be saints, unbelievers are still sinners.

 

[Lanolin]

I would say that if you are lost..the parable of the 100 sheep tells is jesus leaves the 99 and goes and finds the one thats gone astray.
He is mighty to save.

But I do see in scripture that if we are foolish or disobedient we can actually miss out. And Jesus could say I never knew you.

Look at it this way, someone on tv or in movies may perform in front of millions of people. And they may have many fans. But do these fans actually really know this person? Do they have a genuine relationship with that person. Or is it just idolatry. Something to think about. Are we just fans of Jesus or do we really KNOW him.

 

[B-A-C]

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

1 Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1 Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Tim 4:1; But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27; but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

Heb 10:29; How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Heb 6:4; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Jude 1:4; For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Luke 8:13; "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.

Matt 5:19; "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

John 14:15; "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

1 Jn 2:3; By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 Jn 2:4; The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

Luke 12:46; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

 

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I LOV when people just take a pile of verses and try make it look like the bible is saying something that it is not!!!!! that is called twisting the bible for your own lusts!

 

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Its very interesting you always get those people by them !!! and the grace of Grace of God >>THEY<< are going to make it to heaven>> I just love the rejection that so called Christian have with grace!! Its always grace and THEIR works that will get them there!! This makes the death of the Lambs blood on the cross insufficient!!! and the death a mockery !!! but all cults ride this think>Catholic down to JWS!

 

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I just LUV>>so called Christians mock the jews and the torah for their rules and non understanding of Jesus>> As they do the same thing of putting in their own warped rules and regulations about grace and salvation the things you can and cannot do!! and making THEIR OWN JESUS IN THEIR IMAGE!!>> Just as Bad I Would Say<< Enjoy

 

[amadeus2]

I LOV when people just take a pile of verses and try make it look like the bible is saying something that it is not!!!!! that is called twisting the bible for your own lusts!

Why would you love for people to purposely twist scripture. Why would you not rather weep with Jesus because as you see it they are in error and need correction?

 

[amadeus2]

Its very interesting you always get those people by them !!! and the grace of Grace of God >>THEY<< are going to make it to heaven>> I just love the rejection that so called Christian have with grace!! Its always grace and THEIR works that will get them there!! This makes the death of the Lambs blood on the cross insufficient!!! and the death a mockery !!! but all cults ride this think>Catholic down to JWS!

Probably you have not paid much attention to what they have said in support of their position on this point. The key is not that they lose salvation, but rather that they turn their back on Him and walk away. Our God has never changed. He has always been fair, but He does not want anyone as a part of the Body of Christ who is unwillingly to strive to do the impossible to please Him. Those He will help when they ask for it.

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." Rom 12:1

 

[amadeus2]

I just LUV>>so called Christians mock the jews and the torah for their rules and non understanding of Jesus>> As they do the same thing of putting in their own warped rules and regulations about grace and salvation the things you can and cannot do!! and making THEIR OWN JESUS IN THEIR IMAGE!!>> Just as Bad I Would Say<< Enjoy

"All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits." Prov 16:2

 

[Lanolin]

It is grace through faith that saves us not of works lest anyone boast. All that anyone does is faith in Jesus...those that dont do what He commands actually show they dont really have faith in Him.

JAmes tells us in his letter faith without works is dead. i will show you my faith by my works. It isnt that he is boasting at all.

This age old works salvation argument is tired and boring...nobody is seriously saying on here that you must work FOR your salvation as it is a gift. But doing the good works the Lord has called you to do indicates thst you are abiding in Him...it is by your fruits that anyone knows we are christians...not just belief. We cant boast of these fruits of love, peace, joy, gentleness etc. we give glory to God for them.

Sometimes our fruits dont show at first because guess what they take a bit of time to develop. Or we may be attacked by the enemy and have to learn to proclaim his victory. Until then yes His grace is sufficient. If you keep walking in Him you will see that Jesus can deliver you and set you free from all sin. But you must keep abiding in Him. If you continue to walk the other way and refuse to listen to Him and go your own way then yea you can get lost.

My sheep know my voice, another they will not follow.

What I see is rant you are actually listening to all these other voices and then ranting about them when actually it is more beneficial to listen to Jesus and just follow Him. We dont really need to hear how such and such a cult is not following Jesus. Its not edifying anyone. How are YOU following Jesus today? Lead by example.

If you abide in Him then no you cannot loose your salvation rant. Are you abiding in Him?

Please dont tell me you can do whatever you want.

Tell me you are willing to do whatever He wants.

 

[Rant]

Its very intro how some people think!>>>>!He has always been fair, but He does not want anyone as a part of the Body of Christ who is unwillingly to strive to do the impossible to please Him. Those He will help when they ask for it.>>> Can you loose your salvation?? that's what I'm talking about>> they wiggle like a worm but say nothing>> well this and that and that and this !! No you can not loose your salvation!! that's It! only man says you can!!

Are you abiding in Him?

Please dont tell me you can do whatever you want.>> Yes you Can!!>>>>> This forum and your members talk about Jesus even your forum is called Jesus talk but lack the understanding about Jesus Salvation and Grace! prophecy and lean to slavery that Jesus Christ came to set us free!

I just do not get your thinking on this forum>> some how you are worthy ??>>
Romans 3:10

“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” It is only by grace that you are saved , then you people well>well you can loose your salvation!!>> no you can not>> who are you to say that!!>> that is satan at its best talking!! >> There is a after life that you people never seem to understand!! I talked about the Bema Judgment that you people seemed not to understand about at all but this is part of this thread!! You may not loose your salvation but some day in heaven you will answer for it !! that most people on this forum goes way over your head because you have no understanding of these things because your theology is void!

But that the problem here>do not believe in the rapture, then you can not believe in prophecy then you can not believe in why the world going to Hell, then you have to take humanist point of view !

Lan>> we always do what we want on this earth to a point if the ghost is in us we try our best but we have the fallen nature of Adam and Eve in us > we would all lost our salvation . but by GRACE!

 

[Lanolin]

You are very hard to follow rant. Has somebody on here told you can lose your salvation. Well take it up with them.

I think people can miss out, but once they have it it cannot be lost. People can walk away, but they would be very foolish to do so.

um..God doesn't really let me do whatever I want if it's contrary to His will. I mean I COULD but that would lead me far away from Him and He loves me enough to put a stop to it (sin, etc).

So not sure what you trying to say. If there's some sin that you are doing that's not pleasing to God, then confess it and repent of it. Jesus sets us free and we have liberty in Christ that's a great freedom, but we also have as one of the fruits self-control or temperance.

So I can't just eat myself silly or go out and kill people or fornicate you know! Not that I would want to do that but some people do that even those who profess christianity.

 

[Rant]

WOW>GodJesus Bless!

 

[Lanolin]

I tell you about a friend of mine who was saved but she continued in sin and that was very dangerous for her to do so, because that shortened her life on earth. Now she can be saved for her soul but her flesh had to be destroyed. The strongholds were very strong and she was on drugs and alcohol at the time. She was saved 5 days before she died. I found out through her sister.

 

[Christ4Ever]

But that the problem here>do not believe in the rapture, then you can not believe in prophecy then you can not believe in why the world going to Hell, then you have to take humanist point of view !

I'm curious brother. What do they have to do with "Grace"?

I ask this, because, on one hand you argue the point of "Grace" alone (beating up on anyone who suggests otherwise), then tie a direct line to the brother of works which is doctrine i.e. "rapture", "prophecy", "hell".

Clarification please.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Rant]

Hi> C4>
What do they have to do with "Grace"?
rapture", "prophecy", "hell".
Clarification please.
Wow!! are you void , do you read the news? are we living in the last days? I will tell you a thread with a women I had > this womem threaded say I am so confused they told me we are living in the Millennial Kingdom when satan is bound and every thing should be good, but everything is much worse. I will leave this at your feet!