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4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;
7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.
 
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Listen in the old testament ! He was dealing with mankind in the flesh ! In the New Testament which started after He arose from the dead ! He started dealing with mankind in the spirit !

It was a tempory way in the OLD and Now it in a eternal way !

The whole worlds living under grace now ! His mercy ! BUT soon that going to change ?
He going to rapture HIs people out and then His wrath coming upon this planet and billions will die !

He sick of seeing mankind kill children and each other and take from others and mistreat others !

He hates Sin ! It only took One sin to destory this planet and everything on it !

He a GOD of LOVE ! He hates evil selfish self centered junk !

2Co_4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Everything we see has been changed and defiled by Sin ! Nothing here is How GOD made it ! It All been changed ! That why at Salvation He makes us a New Creature that cannot sin !
He gives us a brand New Spirit that Love HIm and Only wants to please HIM !

He puts many wonderful things in that new Spirit man we are after Salvation !
 
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11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went,(((notice))) and at the shining of thy glittering spear.
12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.
13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.
 
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11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went,(((notice))) and at the shining of thy glittering spear.
12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.
13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.
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2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
5 Yea also, because he(((666))) transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:
 
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4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;
7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.
Hello Eric.

Reading the Bible in a literal fashion is commendable but your literal interpretation
is extreme by any measure. As the text states "two edged sword in their hand" means
they will have the Holy Spirit to judge with. We will not be riding horses and killing the
heathen with swords, Eric this is imagery and symbolism.

We are saved by Grace, not by being good enough in our own efforts. We deserved the
same fate as the heathen, but because of the Grace of God we are saved. The books
of the Bible were written for audiences at various times during human history. We must
remember this when we read the texts, otherwise we will have a rather mistaken
impression of the true reality and fulfillment of the scriptures.
 
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4 For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;
7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.
These passages are the psalmists desire upon their enemies and are unspiritual and carnal because they contradict the true nature of God Luke 9:55.
 
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Hello Eric.

Reading the Bible in a literal fashion is commendable but your literal interpretation
is extreme by any measure. As the text states "two edged sword in their hand" means
they will have the Holy Spirit to judge with. We will not be riding horses and killing the
heathen with swords, Eric this is imagery and symbolism.

We are saved by Grace, not by being good enough in our own efforts. We deserved the
same fate as the heathen, but because of the Grace of God we are saved. The books
of the Bible were written for audiences at various times during human history. We must
remember this when we read the texts, otherwise we will have a rather mistaken
impression of the true reality and fulfillment of the scriptures.

DHC,


Do you think this passage is more imagery and symbolism too?



Revelation 19:11-21

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


Psalm 149:4-9 and Habakkuk 3:11-13 are describing this same event in Revelation 19:11-21. But the added understanding that the sword out of Jesus mouth is the word of God the sword of the spirit spoken of in Ephesians 6:17. Jesus will command the saints who are given a two-edged sword in heaven and lead to Armageddon to kill the heathen.
 
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These passages are the psalmists desire upon their enemies and are unspiritual and carnal because they contradict the true nature of God Luke 9:55.

james1523

It is the Lords will also!


Do you think this passage is more imagery and symbolism too?



Revelation 19:11-21

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


Psalm 149:4-9 and Habakkuk 3:11-13 are describing this same event in Revelation 19:11-21. But the added understanding that the sword out of Jesus mouth is the word of God the sword of the spirit spoken of in Ephesians 6:17. Jesus will command the saints who are given a two-edged sword in heaven and lead to Armageddon to kill the heathen.
 
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The whole worlds living under grace now ! His mercy ! BUT soon that going to change ?
He going to rapture HIs people out and then His wrath coming upon this planet and billions will die !
Not everyone is under grace at this time.
Not all Christians are getting raptured, some must live through the tribulation for the purpose of repopulating the earth* during the millennial reign, so someone has to be one of the few, though the Book of Revelation does say "a great multitude" personally, the information i have been given and am not permitted to disclose on the internet renders much end times speculation foolishness.**
*as after the resurrection you will not be able to marry and reproduce.
personally i think those who are resurrected will rule and reign with Christ in heaven, they will not remain on this physical earth.
also: Ephesians 2:7 the word "ages" is plural. for a reason.

** btw: it is not for everyone to even know for sure if it is the end or not.
 
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Not everyone is under grace at this time.
Not all Christians are getting raptured, some must live through the tribulation for the purpose of repopulating the earth* during the millennial reign, so someone has to be one of the few, though the Book of Revelation does say "a great multitude" personally, the information i have been given and am not permitted to disclose on the internet renders much end times speculation foolishness.**
*as after the resurrection you will not be able to marry and reproduce.
personally i think those who are resurrected will rule and reign with Christ in heaven, they will not remain on this physical earth.
also: Ephesians 2:7 the word "ages" is plural. for a reason.

** btw: it is not for everyone to even know for sure if it is the end or not.
eldon,

Millions will be saved during the tribulation. Over 5,000,000 Jews will be saved and survive the tribulation. After the tribulation ends all the survivors will come before Jesus and be judged Matthew 25:31-45. The righteous will go alive into the kingdom age and repopulate the earth. See Isaiah 65:17-25.

At the time of the rapture of the church all the born again believers will be caught up to heaven and not go thru the wrath.
 
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eldon,

Millions will be saved during the tribulation. Over 5,000,000 Jews will be saved and survive the tribulation. After the tribulation ends all the survivors will come before Jesus and be judged Matthew 25:31-45. The righteous will go alive into the kingdom age and repopulate the earth. See Isaiah 65:17-25.

At the time of the rapture of the church all the born again believers will be caught up to heaven and not go thru the wrath.
i ask that you do not stress that the born again believers are getting raptured, as that can decieve many born again believers who are not getting raptured. though perhaps most who are in that position will get that information from the Lord.
 
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All christians will be raptured! The Question becomes who is a christian ?
the christian is our New Spirit He gives us and it cannot sin ! So how could it be counted evil ?

Eze_11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze_18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze_36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Gal_6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Joh_3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh_3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Heb_12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?


Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Act_7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.


Our flesh is part of the earth ! It returns back to the earth and is gone Forever more Thank the LORD!

Gen_3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

2Co_4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Nothing we see is eternal ! Everything we see here will be destoryed ! He not going to use any of it again ! It all defiled by sin !

It our spirit part that is GOD Holy Child and cannot sin ! Our flesh is doomed it returns back to the earth !

Joh_17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh_17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
1Co_15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Gal_6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen

Phm_1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.

Rom_8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Only thur our Spirit being can we please our Father GOD!
 
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All Christians will be raptured! The Question becomes who is a christian ?
the christian is our New Spirit He gives us and it cannot sin ! So how could it be counted evil ?
uh, NO, and what i can tell you is one of the first things the Lord told me was I am a son of God and I will die.
and for a time i did deceive myself into believing there wasn't a rapture.
then later i found out there was, and perhaps even stumbled into stating the qualifications for getting raptured (though sometimes the Lord doesn't tell me to shut up the moment i say something that's not true)
and said to someone "i'm not qualified" which was too much conviction in one day (we had a rather interesting conversation) and then the Lord corrected me later and said I am.

regarding what you said about spirits and what not.
when you get saved, you don't get a new spirit. what you're experiencing (if that's your perception of what happened to you) is that your mind is now conforming to the mind of Christ.
its not your spirit. your spirit is you, not your mind. the mind is what is corrupted, because it is part of this CORRUPTED body.
if your spirit was not born (placed by Jesus, who made you) in this body but rather into a non-corrupted body (no knowledge of the tree of evil) it would be possible to live practically forever *(but the earth and this universe is corrupted and eventually the solar radiation will kill you after say, 1000 years. hello, how long did they live before the flood?) ((btw, there was no unclean meat till 1600 years or so after the flood))
but i suppose Adam's spirit would still be subject to judgment even before he sinned.
*also, if you managed to elk out a living without sinning, there would be no legal case to make against you, and you could live forever. this world would probably "get pretty old" really quick though...
once you become a Christian you will find its possible to take control of your spirit too, and stop sinning (often intentionally) in your spirit.

the reason why all have sinned, i do not fully understand.
that said, WE Defile our heart, and Decieve our heart by the words we speak (and our spirit hears) and by giving into temptation, which comes from the corrupted body. (unless the enemy is permitted to talk to you)
i suppose it could be said that your spirit fears God and knows judgement is coming. your mind don't, until there's bullets flying overhead.. and then they say "there are no athiests in foxholes"
afaik the spirit often referred to as your heart is actually what takes the most time as far as i know to "Fix" after we become Christians. Jesus has to De-Program our heart and teach us from the very beginning virtually everything we think we know about the ways of righteousness.

Can you expect a child to starve himself to death, or steal food to stay alive.
only Jesus had the ability to not sin, because he was filled with the Holy Spirit from before he was born.

It is possible to stop sinning after becoming a Christian, and then later receiving the Holy Spirit.
I've not been trying very hard in that regard.
 
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Once Bprn -Again ! Our spirit mind is as our LORD Mind ! Our spirit nature is as our LORD nature! But as a baby 1 As any new birth begins !

1Co_2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

2Pe_1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Gal_6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.


Rom_7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
2Co_4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.


1Pe_3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Eph_2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph_4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Col_3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

New Man is our New Spirit man !

Born again , born of GOD , Born from above and born of our Spirit is all God giving us a New Spirit being !




Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Gal_4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

His type being is formed in Us at Salvation 1 The New Creature He makes Us is just like Him 1 but babies and without all the knowledge and understanding !


1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

God wanted a family made like our LORD JESUs , to share His vast Kingdom with !
If we accept His gospel and Him from our Heart [Spirit] Then HE makes us the New creature by giving us a New spirit !

Heb_12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Heb_5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
1Pe_2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
 
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To all,

The two-edged swords will cause real bleeding!


Revelation 14:14-20
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
 
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DHC

Do you think this passage is more imagery and symbolism too?
Hello Eric.

Horse riding no longer occurs as a means of transport or in battle. John is using imagery or God is using imagery
that John will understand. Either way it is pure imagery Eric, I can assure you Eric that you will not be swinging
a sword on judgement day. Swords have been obsolete for nearly two centuries.
 
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Hello Eric.

Horse riding no longer occurs as a means of transport or in battle. John is using imagery or God is using imagery
that John will understand. Either way it is pure imagery Eric, I can assure you Eric that you will not be swinging
a sword on judgement day. Swords have been obsolete for nearly two centuries.
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9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:
10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.
9:1
1 I saw the LORD standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, all of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, and he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered.

Remember there will be darkness on the kingdom of the antichrist before Armageddon Revelation 16:10-11.
 
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To all,

The two-edged swords will cause real bleeding!
yes, they do and I think that my argument is a more a deffinition of terms.

this is something you can take to God yourself: He does not destroy his work. this is one reason why hell is eternal.
so when we interpret the Bible to say that we are given a new spirit upon salvation, well, where did the old one go, and what happened to it. who made it. how did it get here.
some things are limited to our understanding of these things.

If you insist that you have been given a new spirit and you are a new person, i will not argue with you. if you love Christ and have a clean conscience before the Lord, that is awesome. Be as Zealous as Paul!
 
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Hello Eric.

Horse riding no longer occurs as a means of transport or in battle. John is using imagery or God is using imagery
that John will understand. Either way it is pure imagery Eric, I can assure you Eric that you will not be swinging
a sword on judgement day. Swords have been obsolete for nearly two centuries.
DHC,

When we come back with Jesus we will have bodies that earthly weapons can't hurt. We will be able to ride up to the soldiers of antichrist and split their heads to the base of their necks as Habakkuk 3:11-13 says. Psalm 149:4-9 says it will be the honor of the saints to kill the heathen. God could have zapped them but wants the saints to do it so swords make sense to me.
 
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