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CAN WE COME AT ANYTIME BEFORE YHVH? (Lev 16-18)

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parsha: "ACHAREI MOT" : (After the death. (of Nadab and Abihu)

TORAH: Leviticus 16:1-18:30, HAF-TORAH; Amos 9:7-15, BRIT HA-DASHA: Heb 9:11-28

When we look at this week's Parsha: we continue to see something about the death of Nadab and Abihu, what was it really that they did? we can only imagine
have an idea. Scripture says that they offered, "Strange Fire" before the LORD. They might have made their own fire instead of getting the hot coals from the Altar
of incense. This would be bypassing "Yeshua" and going straight to YHVH without HIM, since the Brazen altar symbolizes YESHUA, and the fire "judgment" of our
sins, then, by bypassing this, misinterprets what the underlying message is saying. YHVH is also saying "DO NOT COME IN AT ALL TIMES UNTO THE HOLY PLACE
WITHIN THE VEIL, BEFORE THE ARK COVER WHICH IS UPON THE ARK, THAT HE DIE NOT! (LEV 16:1) So, could it be that Nadab and Abiju entered into the
Holy of Holies, and offered their fire "before (in front of) the LORD? and thus were struck down by YHVH's Holy fire? This also might be the truth of the matter. Their
intentions were good, but to come to YHVH on "their" terms just didn't cut it. YHVH has set down the game plan, to enter into the Holy of Holies was only permitted
ONCE per YEAR, and then, only by the High Priest. This parsha is about YOM KIPPUR. The Holiest of G-d's Moedim. It is a time of reflection on one's soul, on our
relationship with Adonai. Whereas before, in ancient times, before Yeshua, the sins of people were only "covered" for one year, and then, the priest had to make atonement
again for another year. The two goats that were presented had special meaning, the one "sacrificed" symbolized our sins that were nailed to the cross and dealt with, the other goat that was "sent out into the wilderness" symbolizes how our sins were "sent away from us" never to return"

But now, under Messiah Yeshua, our sins have been atoned for once and forever, on the cross. We don't have to wait a whole year to have fellowship with Messiah, we can
come to Him 24-7, day and night. That is so wonderful, we really do live under a better covenant. When we go on reading we come to a set of mitzvoth which are varied, in chap 19, under "K'doshim" (holy ones) it talks about not "making cuts or imprints on the flesh" in modern translations, the word "tattoos" is used. This goes against the modern trend today that many are following, we see all over, people walking around with tattoos, God says NO! if He wanted us to have tattoos, we would have been born with some. But ALL is forgiven under the blood, even tattoos, but those things will remain with us for a lifetime (unless somehow, the person can remove them). ____________________________________________ _________________________________________
AMOS 9:7-15

"I will bring back the captives of my people Israel" words so true, and since 1948, the sons of Israel have been returning to the Land. Yes, Israel was indeed "sifted" as wheat, and cast out of the land, and the Israelites went into different parts of the world. Today we can more or less say that there are the "Ashkenazim" (the Jews of Germany and East Europe) the "Sephardim" (The Jews of Spain, North African, and middle east) and the "Falashim" the Jews of Africa and especially Ethiopia. They all went out among the heathens, those that worshipped idols, and introduced them to the "ONE GOD" of the bible, and after Yeshua, God sent out his Talmidim to preach the Good News that Yeshua paid the price of sin once and for all time, to Greece, Rome, Asia minor, and Spain, (and to India by the apostle Thomas)
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HEBREWS 9:11-28

Messiah Yeshua came as "High Priest" of the "good things to come" which are the blessings of the Brit Hadasha, that He paid our sin price in full, so now, we CAN come ANYTIME unto the Holy of Holies, it isn't that it is a different covenant, it is still a "Blood Covenant" , yet no longer the blood of clean animals, but the blood of Yeshua, whose blood did indeed wipe away ALL of our sins.
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just a few more thoughts on last week's parsha "Metzorah" (infected ones) we learned that "leprosy" (skin diseases) rendered one "tamei" (unclean) and until the disease passed, the person had to live alone, an outcast, sometimes, the disease was a skin rash, which would go away, at other times, it was the dreaded disease "Hanson's disease" which is the "leprosy" that everyone imagines, there is a word that is related to "metzorah" and that is "Motzirah" which means "one who speaks evil and gossips untruths" could it be that the "infected ones" received skin diseases because of their evil talk?
something to think about, the next time we open our mouths to speak about someone. It is said, "If you can't speak well about someone, don't say anything at all"

rabbi Ben Avraham
 
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Greetings,

Miriam spoke wrongly and was struck with leprosy, is that correct?

Bless you ....><>
 
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but the blood of Yeshua, whose blood did indeed wipe away ALL of our sins.

When you say ALL of our sin, do you mean both the flesh or the spirit? While I take t that you mean "All" sins and I agree, what sins?" Thus, is it written in James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." So what good is the flesh without the spirit, being dead, and what good is the spirit with the word if the word isn't truth since in God there is no lie.

That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth;
because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. Isa 65:16

Thus, the Spirit of Truth being the word that was, is and will always be. Ps 31 As written in John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
2 Peter 1:9

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So under the precept that the spirit being the life of the flesh, as written in Leviticus 17:14, "For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof:​
therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: "
And in 1 John 5:8 it refers unto the three that bear witness in earth, which "in earth" is interpreted by some as being in the "flesh". Yet unlike 1 John 5:7​
which represents that these three, the Spirit, the Word and the Holy Ghost are one, 1 John 5:7 lists three that bear witness in earth, being the spirit, blood and water."
it states that these three agree in one.

Take for instance the scripture of Lev 22:8, "That which dieth of itself, or is torn with beasts, he shall not eat to defile himself therewith: I am the LORD."​
When did this 'law' come into effect, one would say from the time of Moses yet in John 8:58 it is written "Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am." And thus it should be understood that the consumption of such food product would pose a serious risk to the health of the consumer
and in such the word was written to condemn the man who ate that which was,
Although in Deuteronomy 14:21,"Ye shall not eat of any thing that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that is in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest
sell it unto an alien: " Yet if one lacks the Word as written in Leviticus then they will see that it is not a contradiction of the perfect will of God, which becomes evident from just
Lev 7:24 And the fat of the beast that dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn with beasts, may be used in any other use: but ye shall in no wise eat of it.
 
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Mark 15:38
The curtain of the Temple sanctuary was split in two from top to the bottom.

Because of this miraculous event, the way is opened before us to come before God at any time---fully and boldly in His very presence.
 
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Thank you for your responses. To answer your question Bro. Bear, It seems that it is YES, that Miriam was struck with Tza-Arat, (leprosy) when she critizied Moshe, however, Moshe prayed for her and she was healed, Just as Messiah goes before the Father in our place, the same thing happened to King Uzziah, he argued with the priests, he wanted to offer incense in the temple, which was the right and responsibility of the priests, and the Torah says that "Leprosy broke out on his forehead" and he died a leper. So, we can conclude that one action produced the other.

To Water Rock (Tzur-Mayim in Hebrew) Messiah's sacrifice of blood wiped away our internal sin, the sin in our spirit, our bodily sin can only be put to death at our physical death, "flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven" so, when our physical bodies cease to function, then, our sin that we inherit at birth, is no more.
 
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To Water Rock (Tzur-Mayim in Hebrew) Messiah's sacrifice of blood wiped away our internal sin, the sin in our spirit, our bodily sin can only be put to death at our physical death, "flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven" so, when our physical bodies cease to function, then, our sin that we inherit at birth, is no more.

This is not the truth.

Because of the blood of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, ALL our sin is GONE. ALL is forgiven and cast away, never to be remembered again.

John 1:7-9
7 But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.

8 If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. 9 But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.
 
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This would be bypassing "Yeshua" and going straight to YHVH without HIM, since the Brazen altar symbolizes YESHUA, and the fire "judgment" of our
Hello Jimmie.

Interesting post, you stated the following.

This would be bypassing "Yeshua" and going straight to YHVH without HIM
It certainly appears that Yeshua is YHWH in the Old Testament. In the visions of the prophets
YHWH appears to have a human form, it would be almost certain that this is Yeshua. The Father
is invisible and is Spirit, hence Yeshua is the visible image of YHWH, the one who actually deals with
mankind.

The Lord of heaven and earth is Jesus and we have been created through Jesus and for Jesus.
It would be unlikely that the YHWH in the Old Testament is the Father.

What do you think Jimmie?
 
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Some Bible Study Notes for clarity...from RSB

16:1–34
The Day of Atonement, when annual atonement was made for the sins of the nation, was the holiest day in the Old Testament calendar. It fell in the Hebrew seventh month (October) and involved the offering of various sacrifices, the entry of the high priest into the Most Holy Place (in this chapter referred to simply as the “Holy Place” or “holy sanctuary”), and the dispatch of a goat into the wilderness carrying the people’s sins. For a summary of the sacrifices see notes on chs. 1; 4; and 5. A summary of the rites is given in vv. 6–10 and fuller details in vv. 11–28. The Day of Atonement proceeded according to the following steps: (a) The high priest washed and dressed (v. 4); (b) he sacrificed a bull as a sin offering for himself (v. 6; cf. v. 11); (c) he entered the Most Holy Place and sprinkled the ark with blood (vv. 12–14); (d) he took two goats and by lot chose one to be the scapegoat (Azazel), the other to be a sin offering (vv. 7–8); (e) he sacrificed one goat as a sin offering (vv. 9, 15); (f) he entered the Most Holy Place and sprinkled the ark with blood (v. 15); (g) he went out to the outer part of the tabernacle of meeting and sprinkled the blood (v. 16); (h) he went out into the courtyard of the tabernacle and sprinkled the main altar with blood (vv. 18–19); (i) he confessed the sins of the Israelites as he laid his hands on the scapegoat’s head (v. 21); (j) he sent the scapegoat into the wilderness (vv. 21–22); (k) the scapegoat gone, the high priest changed into his regular garments and washed (vv. 23–24); and (l) finally, he offered burnt offerings for himself and for the people (vv. 24–25).

For the high priest, the most important aspects of the ceremony were his entry into the Most Holy Place with the blood of the sin offerings and the dispatch of the scapegoat into the wilderness. These actions atoned for the sins of repentant Israelites (vv. 16, 19, 21–22). All sin offerings served to cleanse both the earthly sanctuary and the worshipers, but on other occasions the high priest did not enter the (inner) Most Holy Place, but only the anteroom before the separating veil (usually called the “Holy Place”), the chamber containing the altar of incense, the gold lampstand, and the table of showbread. Because the ark of the covenant, the focal point of God’s presence in the tabernacle (v. 2 note; Ex. 25:17–22 and notes), was housed in the Most Holy Place, entry to the Most Holy Place was rare and dangerous (v. 2). That the high priest entered the inner chamber only on this one day of the year indicated the depth of atonement being made.

The scapegoat ceremony was also unique to this day. By placing his hands on the goat’s head and confessing the nation’s sins, the high priest transferred those sins to the goat. The goat then symbolically carried the people’s sins away into the wilderness. Christians have long regarded the scapegoat as a type of Christ. The New Testament makes many comparisons between the Day of Atonement and the death of Christ (Heb. 9:6–28; 13:11–13). That Christ was delivered to the Gentiles and killed outside the walls of Jerusalem indicated that He was sent “outside the camp” like the scapegoat of old.

17:1–27:34 In these chapters, the Lord’s demands for holiness clearly reach into every aspect of Israel’s life. In a discussion on topics as diverse as sexual behavior and the Year of Jubilee, capital crimes and the tabernacle loaves, the Lord teaches that Israel must reflect His holiness in their behavior.

18:1–30 Moses instructs Israel concerning unlawful practices linked to sex and family, including incest (vv. 6–20), child sacrifice (v. 21), homosexuality (v. 22), and bestiality (v. 23). Israel’s neighbors were much less restrained in their sexual attitudes and behavior (v. 3). They permitted closer intermarriage than allowed here; they allowed homosexuality (cf. v. 22), and even some types of bestiality (cf. v. 23). The laws in this chapter presuppose that an Israelite would normally marry another Israelite. However, unions between blood relatives of the first degree (brother-sister, father-daughter) and the second degree (father-granddaughter, nephew-aunt) were prohibited. Marriage between close relatives by marriage was also banned.
 
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