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Can blasphemy against the Holy Spirit be committed in thoughts?

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@JessicaF,

I see you have two threads on this topic, so obviously something must be bothering you very much.

One of the few wise men I have ever met on the face of this planet once said, "The only people who will wind up in hell are those people who want to be there." This doesn't seem like you.

So I now need to ask, what do you think the "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" means? Just what is it?

Blessings,
Rhema
 
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@JessicaF,

I see you have two threads on this topic, so obviously something must be bothering you very much.

One of the few wise men I have ever met on the face of this planet once said, "The only people who will wind up in hell are those people who want to be there." This doesn't seem like you.

So I now need to ask, what do you think the "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" means? Just what is it?

Blessings,
Rhema
@Rhema
it bothers me so much

blasphemy is speaking evil against the Holy Spirit? but I don't know if it includes with thoughts. I'm so scareddd I don't want this but it feels like coming from my own thoughts
 
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blasphemy is speaking evil against the Holy Spirit?
I don't think that's the case. (And I see you put a question mark there.)

Is there any specific "type" or kind of evil speaking in particular?

Have you ever heard the Holy Spirit speak directly to you?

There's more I have to say, but I'm trying to find out exactly what's going on.

And yes, I can see that you're scared, but these thoughts aren't telling you to hurt yourself, are they?

In God's peace,
Rhema

Please feel free to PM me if you think it best.
 
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I don't think that's the case. (And I see you put a question mark there.)

Is there any specific "type" or kind of evil speaking in particular?

Have you ever heard the Holy Spirit speak directly to you?

There's more I have to say, but I'm trying to find out exactly what's going on.

And yes, I can see that you're scared, but these thoughts aren't telling you to hurt yourself, are they?

In God's peace,
Rhema

Please feel free to PM me if you think it best.
Yes I want to pm you. How tho? I'm still new to this. thank you very muchh
 
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I think Jesus spoke about this shortly after some pharisees said He was doing some miracle like casting out evil spirit or some great miracle, by the power of satan. I believe its attributing the power of the Holy Spirit as if its from satan. This is a grave offense and I believe its the same in thoughts, if you think some Holy Work is the work of Satan, now this can be forgiven if you dont harden your heart against any work of God, and eventually repent of proclaiming a Holy Work to be of the devil. But to see the work of the Holy Spirit proclaimed to be of satan is very infuriating to the Lord, and continued path forward in this blaspheming will put you in the shoes of the pharisees who Jesus called vipers, despite them being recognized as holy men of their day by most men of the time.
 
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When most readers read about the "unpardonable sin" of blaspheming the Holy Spirit, they tend to read only Mark 3:28-29 but leave out verse 30 - "because they SAID , "He has an unclean spirit." Years ago, the Lord gave me the honor of witnessing to an "out of control" teen in my community. He had been in so much trouble that it seemed as if he was just destined to spend his life in and out of some sort of correctional facility. When I asked him about Jesus Christ and church, he told me that his mother ( a church goer) told him that he had committed the sin that GOD will never forgive; that he had blasphemed the Holy Spirit so he would only go to Hell. So, I asked this troubled youth, "Did you see a supernatural display of healing or display of power that could only have been done by the power of GOD, and say that it was an act of the devil?" "No," he replied. Then, I told him, "Then you have NOT blasphemed the Holy Spirit." I explained to him that to see a mighty work that could ONLY be done by GOD and SAY that it was a work of the devil would be to slander...blasphemed the Holy Spirit. His countenance changed, somewhat. And, every time he saw me, he was respectful. I believe that the Lord sent me to him to restore his hope. Those of us that have been redeemed have been crucified with Christ (Galatians 2:20) and the Holy Spirit, who dwells within us, would never blaspheme Himself because He takes from Christ and bestows what our Lord wants us to do and to say. IN CHRIST, there is NO CONDEMNATION (Romans 8:1) but the enemy will try to send things to our minds like doubt and temptations, to distract us from the one thing that WOULD please the Lord: Worshipping our Father in Heaven. Let's apply Philippians 4:8 and Ephesians 5:18 - 21 to better our "thoughts". When we do this, there will be ZERO chance of blaspheming either the Holy Spirit, King Jesus, or our Loving, Faithful Father in Heaven. Amen?
 
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The Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit - this "thing" that shall not be forgiven, has caused all kinds of confusion and fear for many people because it is typically misunderstood. Indeed the above post by @Whendancer is the closest I've ever seen to an adequate explanation. (And he gives a good example of the fear and confusion that such misunderstanding can cause.)

So I'd like to first look at the scriptures that address this issue: (The scripture references are very long, so I feel it necessary to ask all readers to take the time to actually read through them.)

But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, ... Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.​
(Matthew 12:24-25, 31-32 KJV)​
And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house. Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
(Mark 3:22-30 KJV)​

Here one can clearly see that the specific type of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is attributing the power behind Jesus' casting out of devils to Beelzebub (or Satan, or a demonic power). But there's another passage that is less specific: (again, please read it through completely)

Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.​
(Luke 12:8-12 KJV)​

And I'd like to post the answer found on Billy Graham's website: LINK

Q. How many sins can you list that God won’t ever forgive? I worry about this, because I know I’ve not been a very good person, and some of the things I’ve done are probably on that list.
A: Only one sin that can’t be forgiven is on God’s list—and that is the sin of rejecting Him and refusing His offer of forgiveness and new life in Jesus Christ. This alone is the unforgivable sin, because it means we are saying that the Holy Spirit’s witness about Jesus is a lie (see Luke 12:10).​

But since this answer hyper-focuses on salvation alone, I'd like to suggest a broader context about the unforgivable sin that may apply to the Christian's walk. Plainly speaking, an unforgivable sin is one that cannot be forgiven because it is steadfastly denied under the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the rejection His conviction that you sinned. Simply speaking, it goes something like this -

Holy Spirit to someone: "You sinned, you know."​
Someone: "No I didn't."​
Holy Spirit: "Well you did."​
Someone: "No I didn't." (And a very good explanation may follow, which in truth is speaking against the Holy Spirit.)​
Holy Spirit: "Well, then how can you be forgiven for a sin you say you didn't do? Okay...."​

In other words, a sin that is denied cannot be forgiven, and we rely upon the conviction of the Holy Ghost to indeed tell us what sin is and isn't - when we have sinned and when we have not. It's not that hard to understand. How could one be forgiven for a sin that one says he or she didn't do?

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the overt Rejection of the work of the Holy Spirit, whether within the outworking of a miracle power event, or the conviction of sin laid upon our hearts.

Rhema
 
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Yes I want to pm you. How tho? I'm still new to this. thank you very much
I started the conversation for you. At the top of the page on the right, there should be a number above your avatar. Click on that, and then on the icon that is supposed to look like a conversation bubble used in comic books. (It too should have a number on it.) That should get you there.
 
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When most readers read about the "unpardonable sin" of blaspheming the Holy Spirit, they tend to read only Mark 3:28-29 but leave out verse 30 - "because they SAID , "He has an unclean spirit." Years ago, the Lord gave me the honor of witnessing to an "out of control" teen in my community. He had been in so much trouble that it seemed as if he was just destined to spend his life in and out of some sort of correctional facility. When I asked him about Jesus Christ and church, he told me that his mother ( a church goer) told him that he had committed the sin that GOD will never forgive; that he had blasphemed the Holy Spirit so he would only go to Hell. So, I asked this troubled youth, "Did you see a supernatural display of healing or display of power that could only have been done by the power of GOD, and say that it was an act of the devil?" "No," he replied. Then, I told him, "Then you have NOT blasphemed the Holy Spirit." I explained to him that to see a mighty work that could ONLY be done by GOD and SAY that it was a work of the devil would be to slander...blasphemed the Holy Spirit. His countenance changed, somewhat. And, every time he saw me, he was respectful. I believe that the Lord sent me to him to restore his hope. Those of us that have been redeemed have been crucified with Christ (Galatians 2:20) and the Holy Spirit, who dwells within us, would never blaspheme Himself because He takes from Christ and bestows what our Lord wants us to do and to say. IN CHRIST, there is NO CONDEMNATION (Romans 8:1) but the enemy will try to send things to our minds like doubt and temptations, to distract us from the one thing that WOULD please the Lord: Worshipping our Father in Heaven. Let's apply Philippians 4:8 and Ephesians 5:18 - 21 to better our "thoughts". When we do this, there will be ZERO chance of blaspheming either the Holy Spirit, King Jesus, or our Loving, Faithful Father in Heaven. Amen?
amen Thank you so muchhh for the explanation
 
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Praying for peace for your mind. I understand onslaught of thoughts and even this fear. But I know one thing, God is one of grace and mercy. A truly repentant heart is not one He will allow to go to Hell.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.
 
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Thank you so muchhhh
Praying for peace for your mind. I understand onslaught of thoughts and even this fear. But I know one thing, God is one of grace and mercy. A truly repentant heart is not one He will allow to go to Hell.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.
 
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When most readers read about the "unpardonable sin" of blaspheming the Holy Spirit, they tend to read only Mark 3:28-29 but leave out verse 30 - "because they SAID , "He has an unclean spirit." Years ago, the Lord gave me the honor of witnessing to an "out of control" teen in my community. He had been in so much trouble that it seemed as if he was just destined to spend his life in and out of some sort of correctional facility. When I asked him about Jesus Christ and church, he told me that his mother ( a church goer) told him that he had committed the sin that GOD will never forgive; that he had blasphemed the Holy Spirit so he would only go to Hell. So, I asked this troubled youth, "Did you see a supernatural display of healing or display of power that could only have been done by the power of GOD, and say that it was an act of the devil?" "No," he replied. Then, I told him, "Then you have NOT blasphemed the Holy Spirit." I explained to him that to see a mighty work that could ONLY be done by GOD and SAY that it was a work of the devil would be to slander...blasphemed the Holy Spirit. His countenance changed, somewhat. And, every time he saw me, he was respectful. I believe that the Lord sent me to him to restore his hope. Those of us that have been redeemed have been crucified with Christ (Galatians 2:20) and the Holy Spirit, who dwells within us, would never blaspheme Himself because He takes from Christ and bestows what our Lord wants us to do and to say. IN CHRIST, there is NO CONDEMNATION (Romans 8:1) but the enemy will try to send things to our minds like doubt and temptations, to distract us from the one thing that WOULD please the Lord: Worshipping our Father in Heaven. Let's apply Philippians 4:8 and Ephesians 5:18 - 21 to better our "thoughts". When we do this, there will be ZERO chance of blaspheming either the Holy Spirit, King Jesus, or our Loving, Faithful Father in Heaven. Amen?
can i ask a question?
if I didn't witness something done by the holy spirit then I didn't commit the unforgivable sin?
what about this blasphemous thoughts?
thank youu
 
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can i ask a question?
if I didn't witness something done by the holy spirit then I didn't commit the unforgivable sin?
what about this blasphemous thoughts?
thank youu
Jessica, thoughts are just thoughts. Blasphemy is an outright purposeful Rejection of something the Holy Spirit actually did, which can either be a miracle that you saw, OR, something that the HS said to you. And trust me, if the HS speaks to you, you'll know it. At that point, it would be unwise to reject what is said. But Rejection is more than just grumbling about something, after which one comes around to understand and agree with what the HS said.

Again, the unforgivable sin is not all that hard to understand. It's rather simple, because it's any sin that a person denies having done. Hey, how could God forgive somebody if they claim that they didn't do it? (Can't forgive him, HS, he didn't do it !! You can't forgive somebody for something that somebody didn't do... and he says he didn't do it.)

Since one of the responsibilities of the HS is to convict us of sin, it would be blasphemy to deny that one committed a sin for which the Holy Spirit said directly to you, "Hey... that's a sin, you know...." When the HS convicts our heart, then we Repent.

Hope this helps, Be blessed (and that means let yourself BE blessed by God),
Rhema
 
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Jessica, thoughts are just thoughts. Blasphemy is an outright purposeful Rejection of something the Holy Spirit actually did, which can either be a miracle that you saw, OR, something that the HS said to you. And trust me, if the HS speaks to you, you'll know it. At that point, it would be unwise to reject what is said. But Rejection is more than just grumbling about something, after which one comes around to understand and agree with what the HS said.

Again, the unforgivable sin is not all that hard to understand. It's rather simple, because it's any sin that a person denies having done. Hey, how could God forgive somebody if they claim that they didn't do it? (Can't forgive him, HS, he didn't do it !! You can't forgive somebody for something that somebody didn't do... and he says he didn't do it.)

Since one of the responsibilities of the HS is to convict us of sin, it would be blasphemy to deny that one committed a sin for which the Holy Spirit said directly to you, "Hey... that's a sin, you know...." When the HS convicts our heart, then we Repent.

Hope this helps, Be blessed (and that means let yourself BE blessed by God),
Rhema
Thank you so much. Now it's clearer. I'm tormented again by blasphemous thoughts
 
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Thank you so much. Now it's clearer. I'm tormented again by blasphemous thoughts
like 95% of the time they aren't yours. speak against them, fight them off. they will change their game and what they say to you once you figure out these thoughts are not from your own mind.
 
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like 95% of the time they aren't yours. speak against them, fight them off. they will change their game and what they say to you once you figure out these thoughts are not from your own mind.
Thank youu. and again I know this thoughts are not mine but what if I felt like the H.S. left me
 

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