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Can a person obtain Eternal Life Without Loving Jesus?

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1. Is it possible for a confessed believer to inherit Eternal Life without loving Jesus Christ?

2. What is the love of Christ He expects from a believer, and how is love expressed for Jesus Christ?
 
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1. Is it possible for a confessed believer to inherit Eternal Life without loving Jesus Christ?

2. What is the love of Christ He expects from a believer, and how is love expressed for Jesus Christ?
I doubt any believer loves Jesus Christ when they first come to Him for salvation. Salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ. We learn and grow to love Him after that as we experience our Christian life.

Love begats love. He knows that. He knows that when I don't love Him, yet He shows me love, that will begat love in me for Him.

Quantrill
 
1. Is it possible for a confessed believer to inherit Eternal Life without loving Jesus Christ?

2. What is the love of Christ He expects from a believer, and how is love expressed for Jesus Christ?
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.


5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.


9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if (very important IF) you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17 This is my command: Love each other.

In peace
 
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@Hiswillbedone,
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.


5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.


9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if (very important IF) you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17 This is my command: Love each other.

In peace
I do agree with you, but I'm thinking you should explain yourself. Many people may read this and may not understand the scriptures you posted. It's always nice to see how a person reasoned the scriptures out to come to their conclusion. But I agree with you.
 
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I doubt any believer loves Jesus Christ when they first come to Him for salvation. Salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ. We learn and grow to love Him after that as we experience our Christian life.

Love begats love. He knows that. He knows that when I don't love Him, yet He shows me love, that will begat love in me for Him.

Quantrill
Good point. We don't have any "good" when we come to Jesus.

Which is the reason we come to him.
 
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@Chad4Him,


You said we don't have any good in us, what do you mean when you say this?
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus 3:5

Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life

We are created to do good works but God did not save us because of our good works.

let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:22

We come to Jesus guilty and dirty with sin, coming to Him to be cleansed and committing our life in service to Him.
 
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@Chad4Him,
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus 3:5

Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life

We are created to do good works but God did not save us because of our good works.

let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:22

We come to Jesus guilty and dirty with sin, coming to Him to be cleansed and committing our life in service to Him.
The complete context that you have taken these verses from is not about "Eternal Life." The context of those scriptures you used - from verse one to verse Ten, is mainly about sin. The only verse that talks about being "saved" is Ephesians 2:5, 9. These verses are speaking, we were "dead in sin" and we were "saved" from what we were dead to - sin. These are the scriptures you presented.

Titus 3:5 is also about sin. This is why the scripture says, "not by "works" of Righteousness "WE" have done." This is a comparison with Israel's sacrifices of righteousness and Jesus' works of Righteousness. A natural man could not do the works of Righteousness in taking away sins, but a man "can learn" to put on righteousness and walk in it. The works of sacrifices under the law could not give Eternal Life. Only Jesus' sacrifice for sin could give life and "open the door" to Eternal Life. The only way a man could have Eternal Life is if sin is removed first.

God did ordain man to good works, "in Adam," as Ephesians 2:10 teaches. If Adam would have done good works, then all men would have lived and done good works. But because Adam sinned, all men died and became sinners. Man can do good works as sinners, but they are not recognized by God because they are sinners by nature. A sinner cannot do Righteous works, but in the minds of man they can.The bible teaches us the Gentiles operated in the law by nature; from the law you get that actions of good works; because the law good. The Gentile's good works are never accepted of The Lord because they do not believe that Jesus is Lord and has died for their sins.

Romans 2:14
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another:wink:
 
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@Chad4Him,


Titus 3:5 is also about sin. This is why the scripture says, "not by "works" of Righteousness "WE" have done."
Could you clarify? To you, does the verse read differently than this?

he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit
 
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We come to Jesus as sinners.

Our love grows as we get to know Him and see how awesome and wonderful He is.

At first there may not be full understanding and comprehension that leads to full deep love.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
Ephesians 5:8
 
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@Chad4Him,

Could you clarify? To you, does the verse read differently than this?

he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit
I agree with what the scripture says…, but in context it’s teaching we have been “saved from sin” by the “works” of Jesus Christ doing what man could not do. All scriptures point to the deliverance from sin “first” and then the door is opened to eternal life. This is because we “could not” have eternal life as long as sin was present (Gal. 3:21).

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been “a law” given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

The law could not give life or Righteousness “spiritually” because the law could not take away sin. This is what Titus 3:1-5 is talking about. It is not addressing eternal life initially until sin is removed.

Tit 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to “every good work,”

Tit 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing all meekness unto all men.

Tit 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

Before they knew Jesus Christ they were sinners doing all these foolish works as we see itemized above in verses 2, 3. Titus started teaching they should be ready to do good works now that they are saved; after God revealed His kindness and love to man, through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Man was saved from their sins by the “WASHING” of “REGENERATION,” of the born again experience; and given the Holy Ghost which renewed them after their sins were removed (2Co. 5:21). Remember, sin is why man could not have life/the Holy Ghost abiding in them forever.

Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The “works of Righteousness” in this context is from sin. A man could not do these works of Righteousness - though they tried under the Mosaic Law.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

We know that Israel worked to be Righteous through the Atonement of animal sacrifices which could not take away their sins that they may be spiritually righteous; they were only righteous through their actions of the flesh (obedience). So Jesus came to work the works of Spiritual Righteousness by becoming the final Atonement for sins. This is what man could not do (Rom 8:3; Acts 13:39).

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an “END” of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

If Jesus didn’t finish the transgression and make and end of sins, everlasting Righteousness could not enter and Jesus would not have been anointed the most Holy.
 
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1. Is it possible for a confessed believer to inherit Eternal Life without loving Jesus Christ?

2. What is the love of Christ He expects from a believer, and how is love expressed for Jesus Christ?
1. No.

We can only be a true believer if God reveals Jesus as Lord to us 1 Cor 12:3, Matt 16:16-17. God only does this if we love Him. He judges our hearts at depth nobody can Jer 17:9-11. Hating what is wicked and clinging to what is good is loving God Rom 12:9. We do not have to be perfect to love God. Consider Matt 25: 37-40 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ ''The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

2. God requires the greatest act of love from us, namely for us to lay down our lives for Him as He has done for us John 15:13. As explained by Jesus in Matt 16:24.

We express love for Jesus through obedience to His commandments John 14:15.
 

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