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Born -Again ,Born from above ,born of GOD and BORN of our spirit are all a True Birth!Just as Profound as our first birth from our Mothers! We know it when it takes place!
God gives us a New Spirit! We are babies in our New Spirit like any New Birth is !
Our new Spirit cannot sin! It made from GOD perfect seed ! It grows by feeding it Gods living word! It can mature to be just like our LORD JESUS!
It has no desire for sex or money or anything on this planet! It only wants to please our LORD JESUS!


Joh_3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh_3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.





Eze_11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze_18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?


Eze_36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

John 3:6 reveals 3:5Our first birth is by water ,from our mothers! the 2nd is from the Holy GHOST!

Joh_3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


Heb_5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

1Pe_2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:


1Co_3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Heb_5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.


Eph_2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


Eph_4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


Col_3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:


2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


Rom_7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
2Co_4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.


1Pe_3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Our new Spirit is made like the last Adam !Jesus Christ! He is the pattern For all of us Born of GOD !we get his type mind and nature in our New spirit!

1Co_2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.


2Pe_1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.


Gal_4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Phm_1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Ame
Gal_6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit

Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son


God is a Spirit and Father of Perfect [sinless] Spirit beings!Which we are after being Born -Again!

Heb_12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

It our spirit He dwells in forever more after salvation !It the temple of GOD!

We all dwell in imperfect bodies with a imperfect flesh mind!

2Co_10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

We all sinners in the flesh !The only differences between the Saved and Unsaved is our spirit man!

The more we live in our Spirit ?The more we will appear like our LORD JESUS!


Our flesh never gets salvation it returns to the dust of the earth !Where it came from ! We get new bodies like our LORDS !

There is no good thing in our flesh!

Rom_7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
The flesh has a sin nature! it only dies because of Sin1 We never die1 just leave this flesh body and go home ,New Jerusalem !

God has declared each of us Over comers at Salvation!

1Jn_4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Rom_8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.


He sees our Spirit as a perfect virgin being!
2Co_11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.


Rom_9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

1Co_15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


Salvation is simple1 We accept What He already did as truth [HIS gospel] Then Him as LORD of all we have and are !


This is the LORDS gospel !
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation

1Co_1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

2Ti_1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;


Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.



Any questions i will answer if i Can?
 
We all sinners in the flesh !The only differences between the Saved and Unsaved is our spirit man!

The more we live in our Spirit ?The more we will appear like our LORD JESUS!

do you think we have this spirit man when we choose to walk in spirit after being born again?
isnt it possible to walk in flesh after born again?

but we have to decide to live in spirit?
 
do you think we have this spirit man when we choose to walk in spirit after being born again?
isnt it possible to walk in flesh after born again?

but we have to decide to live in spirit?

What does the WORD say?


Romans 8:8-10 (King James Version)


<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-28125">8</sup>So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-28126">9</sup>But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-28127">10</sup>And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


Does the SPIRIT dwell in you? Then you are in the Spirit
 
What does the WORD say?


Romans 8:8-10 (King James Version)


<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-28125">8</sup>So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-28126">9</sup>But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-28127">10</sup>And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


Does the SPIRIT dwell in you? Then you are in the Spirit

yes i wonder if there's way to know the spirit dwells in you?

if you do walk in spirit, (the new man) then maybe you have the spirit as this would be impossible without?
 
yes i wonder if there's way to know the spirit dwells in you?

if you do walk in spirit, (the new man) then maybe you have the spirit as this would be impossible without?

1 John 5 especially verse 10

If you are born again you have the HOLY SPIRIT dwelling in you. HE is the witness.

But dwell on the entire chapter.

The WORD is your proof. It is a legal contract you know.
 
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We are All born with a spirit! Our spirit is defiled by sin~Until God gives us a new one!
at salvation we still of the thoughts in our flesh mind of the old spirit! which the bible calls our old man!
That why He tells us to renew our minds [flesh] Filling it with GODS living words1 rejecting these old bad thoughts



Rom_6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.


Eph_4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;


Col_3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
 
so you think we find the new man by walking after spirit?

as spirit is willing but flesh is weak we may not walk after spirit without effort? or is is just faith?

i wonder how the disciples felt like, as they didnt have the holy spirit. but were allowed to make miracles.
 
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so you think we find the new man by walking after spirit?

as spirit is willing but flesh is weak we may not walk after spirit without effort? or is is just faith?

i wonder how the disciples felt like, as they didnt have the holy spirit. but were allowed to make miracles.

No, you are born a new man. Actually you are no longer human when it comes down to it. You are more like a hybrid. Part man and part GOD in that HE dwells in you. Part of you and you a part of HIM. You have HIM inside you and when the SPIRIT dwells in you, you are in the SPIRIT

LOL I'll bet somebody chokes on that.
 
No, you are born a new man. Actually you are no longer human when it comes down to it. You are more like a hybrid. Part man and part GOD in that HE dwells in you. Part of you and you a part of HIM. You have HIM inside you and when the SPIRIT dwells in you, you are in the SPIRIT

LOL I'll bet somebody chokes on that.

but it's possible to die spiritually though? rom 8:13
 
but it's possible to die spiritually though? rom 8:13

No A spirit does not die. It's eternal. Timeless. A mans spirit can grow super weak but it will not die. To keep your spirit strong you must feed it. Right? Feed it WORD.
 
Eph. 2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,
Eph 2:2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this
world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
Eph 2:5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions
Col 2:12 Having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
Eph 2:6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus


We should really try to make these verses fit somehow,there might be some clues in there somewhere.
Think about when these things took place.
 
No A spirit does not die. It's eternal. Timeless. A mans spirit can grow super weak but it will not die. To keep your spirit strong you must feed it. Right? Feed it WORD.

true. God's holy spirit doesn't die. And He doesn't leave us either.

but im referring to the verse. we maybe overcome by the flesh? is that what the dying part means?
then we are mostly back to the old man. but never fully i think as Holy spirit never leaves us but we may not able to walk in spirit if we "die"
?
 
true. God's holy spirit doesn't die. And He doesn't leave us either.

but im referring to the verse. we maybe overcome by the flesh? is that what the dying part means?
then we are mostly back to the old man. but never fully i think as Holy spirit never leaves us but we may not able to walk in spirit if we "die"
?

Lets look at it from this angle. The wages of sin is death. We were slaves to sin. We met JESUS, asked HIM into our hearts and died. Then we were born again into a new family, a new creation, and free from the laws of sin (After all a man who dies cannot be subject to the laws he was under while he was alive). You are not even the person you were while you were alive before. That person is long gone. That person was subject to sin, subject to death, and bound for hell.
The new man who got born again is a son of GOD. JESUS is his brother. Everything GOD has belongs to you. And HE's aching to give you the kingdom
 
i do agree with you Hombre but i think rom 8:13 is something about old/new man which i would want to understand as well.
 
i do agree with you Hombre but i think rom 8:13 is something about old/new man which i would want to understand as well.

I don't usually use this version of the Bible but it says it quite well here.

Romans 8:12-17 (Contemporary English Version)

<sup class="versenum" id="en-CEV-24688">12</sup>My dear friends, we must not live to satisfy our desires. <sup class="versenum" id="en-CEV-24689">13</sup>If you do, you will die. But you will live, if by the help of God's Spirit you say "No" to your desires. <sup class="versenum" id="en-CEV-24690">14</sup>Only those people who are led by God's Spirit are his children. <sup class="versenum" id="en-CEV-24691">15</sup>God's Spirit doesn't make us slaves who are afraid of him. Instead, we become his children and call him our Father. <sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=&quot;#fen-CEV-24691a&quot; title=&quot;See footnote a&quot;>a</a>]">[a]</sup> <sup class="versenum" id="en-CEV-24692">16</sup>God's Spirit makes us sure that we are his children. <sup class="versenum" id="en-CEV-24693">17</sup>His Spirit lets us know that together with Christ we will be given what God has promised. We will also share in the glory of Christ, because we have suffered with him.



If you live by the flesh your body will die. The flesh says "I am sick" When you live by the flesh you will give in to the flesh and agree with it. "Oh I'm so sick". and your words will come to pass. But if by the SPIRIT you speak the WORDS of the SPIRIT you will live. "By JESUS stripes I was healed. Sickness has no place in me!." Guess what...Your words will come to pass.

Jari Just as JESUS neither did nor said anything but what HE heard to Father say or do, neither must we. We are to be led by the SPIRIT and as obedient children we will live.



Did I draw a clear picture? The flesh, or the natural man will agree with what he sees, but the truth is that which is seen is the temporary, that which is not seen is the reality.



Any word you speak that contradicts the WORD of GOD is profanity. Bet you didn't know that.
 
the way i always tend to read rom 8 is that we have possibility to live after flesh and sin and so die in our spirits. if we disregard spiritual side completely.
which is not good but leads to fear again.

better is to live after spirit and live (spiritually).

still we have indwell of holy spirit regardless which enables us to walk in spirit if we choose to. is this correct?


10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
 
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This is the Point our Spirit can mature to be like!
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

I found if we fast 3 days water only!Reading the bible praying for HIM to help us make it! After three days we hear HIM much better and can serve HIM better!

The New creature HE makes us wants to please HIM !

After all , we were created by HIM for Him! He wants a Relationship with Us!Today ,tomorrow,and Forever more!
He created mankind to gain a family to share his vast Kingdom with !

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the
things of the Spirit.

We all if born -again walk in our spirit to some degree! I believe we all walk and live though our Spirit to different degrees? Depending on reading the bible fasting, going to church and praying with Him! And of course obeying only HIM!

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


1Co_15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
 
thank you brothers.. i still do keep wondering this. but i think we read bible pretty much the sameway.
 
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