Book of life/ Revelations

[slimsavery]

Hi!

I hope eveyone is well


Revelations

"and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain"

Now as far as i know the mark of the beast is only given to people who follow or worship the beast. The verse above tells me that if you are in the book of life then you will not worship the beast - I guess you would be protected. Isnt this a wonderfull verse for anyone scared about the Mark of the Beast?! what do you think?

can i also ask, is the book of life of the lamb that was slain the same book detailed below ( from got questions )

Question: "What is the Book of Life?"

Answer: Revelation 20:15 declares, “If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.” The Book of Life is the set of names of those who will live with God forever in heaven. It is the roll of those who are saved. This Book of Life is also mentioned in Revelation 3:5; 20:12; and Philippians 4:3. The same book is also called the Lamb’s Book of Life because it contains the names of those who have been redeemed by the blood of the Lord Jesus (Revelation 13:8; 21:27).
How do you get your name written in the Book of Life? Simply by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior (Philippians 4:3; Revelation 3:5). The moment you place your faith in Jesus as your Savior (John 3:16; Romans 10:9‑10), your name is written in the Book of Life, never to be erased (Revelation 3:5; Romans 8:37‑39). No true believer should doubt his eternal security in Christ (John 10:28-30).
The Great White Throne Judgment described in Revelation 20:11‑15 is a judgment for unbelievers. That passage makes it clear that no one at that judgment has his name in the Book of Life (Revelation 20:12‑14). Since their names are not in the Book of Life, their fate is sealed, their punishment is sure.
Some people point to Revelation 3:5 as “proof” that a person can lose his salvation. However, the promise of Revelation 3:5 is clearly that the Lord will not erase a name: “He who overcomes . . . I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life.” An overcomer is one who is victorious over the temptations, trials, and evils of this world—in other words, one who is redeemed. The saved are written in God’s registry and have the promise of eternal security.
Another passage over which confusion sometimes arises is Psalm 69:28: “Let them [David’s enemies] be blotted out of the book of the living.” This “book of the living” should not be confused with the Lamb’s Book of Life. David is referring to earthly, physical life, not eternal life in heaven. The same is true of the “book” mentioned in Exodus 32:32-33.
God keeps good records. He knows His own, and He has set the names of His children permanently in His book.

The reason I ask is that on got questions it says " All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast-all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world." How was the lamb slain from the creation of the world? If God created the world before Jesus arrived to save us all


Thanks

Slim

 

[slimsavery]

Hi Again

something has just come up that has really,really worried me.

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Please read the following verse carefully:

"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." (Revelation 13:17)
Did you notice the three things mentioned?
(1.) A mark
(2.) A name
(3.) A number

The three are not the same
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And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If any one worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,

[10] he also shall drink the wine of God's wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and he shall be tormented with fire and sulphur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Im pretty worried now that if you somehow recieve the antchrists "name" rather than his mark you woild also be damded. Now im sure many of us here have read in books and over the internet of various identies of the antichrist, someone, somewhere may well have got the name of the antichrist right. What if we have read this name? or said this name?


Please help!

God Bless

David

 

[Fellowservant]

I wouldnt worry about #s and names, the man of sin will be revealed in his time, all will be warned not to worship him, # name it doesn't matter...there is also the image of the beast as well, which is an idol... plus a false prophet with great powers. The saints won't be in the dark when this happends.


Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

God bless

 

[slimsavery]

Hi again

Before reading your reply Fellowservant i sent an email off to a pastor i know.

Do you think you could read the following. It would really, really put my mind at ease if you could read it and let me know if you think I am right in what I have written. Ill then leave you all in peace!!

God Bless

Hi Michael
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If you have time I wonder if you can help me. I have been at my Mum and Dads house for the last two nights because my Dad is in a really bad way due to their marital troubles. Because of this I left my copy of the New Living Translation Bible at my other house. I thought I would read about revelations so accessed a website called biblegateway.com which has a great deal of different Bible Translations. I thought I would study the part of revelations which has worried me so much in the past. I accessed the New Living Translation
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“16 He required everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on the right hand or on the forehead.17 And no one could buy or sell anything without that mark, which was either the name of the beast or the number representing his name.”
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When I was trying to find this verse I accidentally clicked on a different bible translation (King James )and its translation was
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17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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This has worried me, as there were three things mentioned?
(1.) A mark
(2.) A name
(3.) A number

The three are not the same, I’m pretty worried ( probably unnecessarily knowing me! ) now that if you somehow receive the antichrists "name" rather than his mark you would also be dammed. However I then read the King James version of Revelation 14 which said
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9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb

This says nothing about its name or number - just the Mark so am I worrying about nothing? I’m hoping this is the case. In the past I have read many different opinions of names of the antichrist – and as you have said in a previous email to me “Anything that people say they know about him and 666 is pure conjecture They don't know and we won't know till he comes.” I just am worrying ( and its probably been brought on by whats going on at home ) That I might have read the antichrists name or said it out loud whilst reading it and this would coincide with the King James Translation
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Your advice would be greatly appreciated
David

 

[MAJ52653]

As to your extra added on question. Jesus is actually outside of time. This is very confusing to us temporal beings. God sits outside of time, and can see the entirety of past, present and future all at once. Thus He could see Jesus being crucified even before (see? I can't even explain this without using time words that probably don't actually apply) He started creation. Which included our time system. Does that help?

 

[slimsavery]

As to your extra added on question. Jesus is actually outside of time. This is very confusing to us temporal beings. God sits outside of time, and can see the entirety of past, present and future all at once. Thus He could see Jesus being crucified even before (see? I can't even explain this without using time words that probably don't actually apply) He started creation. Which included our time system. Does that help?

Thanks for that, I really appreciate it. That clears that question up! What do you think of the letter to my pastor, do you think it makes sense. I feel a lot better after writing it. I guess sometimes translations can be confusing but i think I have worked out what it means but if anyone has time to confirm that I would appreciate it

God Bless

David

 

[Fellowservant]

Hi again

Before reading your reply Fellowservant i sent an email off to a pastor i know.

Do you think you could read the following. It would really, really put my mind at ease if you could read it and let me know if you think I am right in what I have written. Ill then leave you all in peace!!

God Bless

Hi Michael
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o> </o>
How are you?
<o> </o>
If you have time I wonder if you can help me. I have been at my Mum and Dads house for the last two nights because my Dad is in a really bad way due to their marital troubles. Because of this I left my copy of the New Living Translation Bible at my other house. I thought I would read about revelations so accessed a website called biblegateway.com which has a great deal of different Bible Translations. I thought I would study the part of revelations which has worried me so much in the past. I accessed the New Living Translation
<o> </o>
“16 He required everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on the right hand or on the forehead.17 And no one could buy or sell anything without that mark, which was either the name of the beast or the number representing his name.”
<o> </o>
When I was trying to find this verse I accidentally clicked on a different bible translation (King James )and its translation was
<o> </o>
17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
<o> </o>
This has worried me, as there were three things mentioned?
(1.) A mark
(2.) A name
(3.) A number

The three are not the same, I’m pretty worried ( probably unnecessarily knowing me! ) now that if you somehow receive the antichrists "name" rather than his mark you would also be dammed. However I then read the King James version of Revelation 14 which said
<o> </o>
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb

This says nothing about its name or number - just the Mark so am I worrying about nothing? I’m hoping this is the case. In the past I have read many different opinions of names of the antichrist – and as you have said in a previous email to me “Anything that people say they know about him and 666 is pure conjecture They don't know and we won't know till he comes.” I just am worrying ( and its probably been brought on by whats going on at home ) That I might have read the antichrists name or said it out loud whilst reading it and this would coincide with the King James Translation
<o> </o>
Your advice would be greatly appreciated
David

Like i said brother you won't be in the dark on this, all will be warned at that time. So nothing to worry about... even if he is revealed tomorrow, the saints if their here, and i believe they will be...will know who he is, and what he is up to. The bible is very clear on this, are you thinking that saying his name is damnable?

It will be the mark of his name brother, not just mark... plus worship of him and his image. These are the things that are damnable...


Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Number, name, and mark, all seem to be the same above...i think the number of his name is the mark.


Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:


Revelation 14:9 above shows us what is damnable about him...

God bless

 

[slimsavery]

Hi , thanks for replying

Like i said brother you won't be in the dark on this, all will be warned at that time. So nothing to worry about... even if he is revealed tomorrow, the saints if their here, and i believe they will be...will know who he is, and what he is up to. The bible is very clear on this, are you thinking that saying his name is damnable?


Yes i was thinking that saying his name is damnable. Just to confirm was I wrong about this?

Thanks - ill be able to pick your reply up at work

 

[Mouse]

The reason I ask is that on got questions it says " All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast-all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world." How was the lamb slain from the creation of the world? If God created the world before Jesus arrived to save us all

Slim

If I'm translating correctly, isn't the lamb that was slain Jesus Christ? He is the lamb of God and he was slain, killed for our sins.

Another thing about the mark of the beast... in order for every person in the world to worship one person or thing, the population will have to decrease immensly. So maybe the anti christ comes after a massive nuclear bomb destroys 3/4 or more of the population. Hopefully I'll be the 3/4 that is dead because I don't want to see this thing happen.

 

[Fellowservant]

Hi , thanks for replying

Like i said brother you won't be in the dark on this, all will be warned at that time. So nothing to worry about... even if he is revealed tomorrow, the saints if their here, and i believe they will be...will know who he is, and what he is up to. The bible is very clear on this, are you thinking that saying his name is damnable?


Yes i was thinking that saying his name is damnable. Just to confirm was I wrong about this?

Thanks - ill be able to pick your reply up at work

Got your pm brother: saying his name is not going to be damnable.
Be at peace brother and worship God, he will help all your fears. Id also like to add that the book of revelation is a book of great promises. Just look at all them great promises to the ones who overcome, this will be a time of great faith for the saints, as Christ is returning to reward the saints for their faith in him, if we remain...we will overcome by his blood and mercy. God will pour out his spirit and we will be victorious through Christ. And all who call apon him at that time will be saved.

God bless

 

[Fellowservant]

If I'm translating correctly, isn't the lamb that was slain Jesus Christ? He is the lamb of God and he was slain, killed for our sins.

Another thing about the mark of the beast... in order for every person in the world to worship one person or thing, the population will have to decrease immensly. So maybe the anti christ comes after a massive nuclear bomb destroys 3/4 or more of the population. Hopefully I'll be the 3/4 that is dead because I don't want to see this thing happen.

Hi Sister the tecnology to do this is almost here or here now, men who are under the man of sins power (something like a police state) will worship him or be put to death. The unsaved or decieved by him will worship him out of their own free will, as he will decieve them by miracles and lying wonders, and they will love him for it, saying who is like the beast who can make war with him. And not all the world will worship him, some will escape out of his hand according to Daniel. I also think just taking the mark is considered worship...



He will have to fight for supremacy see below.


Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do [exploits].
Dan 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, [many] days.
Dan 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Dan 11:35 And [some] of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make [them] white, [even] to the time of the end: because [it is] yet for a time appointed.
Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Dan 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge [and] increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many [countries] shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, [even] Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians [shall be] at his steps.


God bless

 

[MAJ52653]

I can only add that the beast does not make it his mark until after he takes over the world. Until he makes it his mark, even it it should be something that exists now, it is utterly harmless until he makes it his mark. Now he cannot do this secretly. You cannot take over the world without everyone seeing that it has happened. You also cannot make it a law that no one can buy or sell without it, without telling people that this law exists. After all, stores still take cash. Or checks. Or other charge cards than a mandatory mark put on you somewhere. You cannot get the mark of the beast until someone has become world dictator and stands up and announces "Here now Blokes! Your money is no good, and all credit cards are void. You have to get my universal (whatever it is) or you can't buy nothing. So there!"
So you have no need to worry, unless and until said twit takes over the world and then institutes his no money sceme.

 

[Mouse]

It still must be a long way off. How can one person or one mark take over every nation? Take for instance, Hitler. That type of thing would never work today like it did years ago (thank God). I just don't see this happening until the world is a tinier place, fewer people.

 

[InTouch]

If I'm translating correctly, isn't the lamb that was slain Jesus Christ? He is the lamb of God and he was slain, killed for our sins.

Another thing about the mark of the beast... in order for every person in the world to worship one person or thing, the population will have to decrease immensly. So maybe the anti christ comes after a massive nuclear bomb destroys 3/4 or more of the population. Hopefully I'll be the 3/4 that is dead because I don't want to see this thing happen.

Whats the one thing we all need to sustain material life?
What drives the worlds population and rewards its followers with a multitude of man's creations?
Besides water,air, and food whats the only other thing man needs to sustain himself in this world?
One way or another we all come in contact with money.
Money has a very subtle way about it, it has the ability to tempt even the elect.
Where would man be without his money,a true test of faith?
You can't worship God and mammon at the same time.