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Biblical Salvation

Sue J Love

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Does God want us to include the majority of scriptures to get our understanding or just a few scriptures?
Use any Bible translation you like.

Believe
John 3:16
John 10:27-28
Colossians 1:22-23a
Acts 16:30, 31
1 John 2:2


Knowledge or Know
John 17:3
1 John 5:20
2 Timothy 3:15
1 Timothy 2:3, 4.
Psalm 79:6


Repent
Acts 3:19
Acts 26:20.
Acts 2:38
Matthew 3:2
Matthew 4:17


Get baptized
Matthew 28:19
Acts 2: 38, 40, 41
Acts 8:36-38
1 Peter 3:21
Mark 16:16
Acts 10:47-48


Obey Jesus and God's instructions in the Bible
Hebrews 5:9
Matthew 28:20
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
John 3:36
John 14:15
Luke 8:21
Matthew 7:24
Romans 2:8
Acts 5:29
1 John 5:3
Matthew 19:17
James 1:22
Matthew 7:21


Endure to the end
Mark 13:13
Hebrews 10:36
1 Corinthians 9:27
James 5:11
Romans 8:13
James 1:2-4
 
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Is anyone interested in a 4-minute video about if hell is a real place of Everlasting Torment?
 
One scripture says believes, another says: Eternal life that they may know you, Another says: repent and be baptized, another: eternal salvation for all those who obey Him, another: but the one having endured to the end, he will be saved.

Which scripture should we believe? Shouldn't we believe all of them, to get a more complete understanding?

Use any Bible translation you like.

Believe
John 3:16
New King James Version
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 10:27-28
Colossians 1:22-23a
Acts 16:30, 31
1 John 2:2


Knowledge or Know
John 17:3
Berean Literal Bible
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
1 John 5:20
2 Timothy 3:15
1 Timothy 2:3, 4.
Psalm 79:6


Repent
Acts 2:38
Christian Standard Bible
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 3:19
Acts 26:20.
Matthew 3:2
Matthew 4:17


Get baptized
1 Peter 3:21
New International Version
21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[a] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Matthew 28:19
Acts 2: 38, 40, 41
Acts 2:38-41
Acts 8:36-38
Mark 16:16
Acts 10:47-48


Obey Jesus and God's instructions in the Bible
Hebrews 5:9
New American Standard Bible
And having been perfected, He became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey Him,
Matthew 28:20
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
John 3:36
John 14:15
Luke 8:21
Matthew 7:24
Romans 2:8
Acts 5:29
1 John 5:3
Matthew 19:17
James 1:22
Matthew 7:21

Endure to the end
Mark 13:13
Berean Literal Bible
And you will be hated by all on account of My name; but the one having endured to the end, he will be saved.
Hebrews 10:36
1 Corinthians 9:27
James 5:11
Romans 8:13
James 1:2-4
 
Ephesians 2:8-9
Berean Standard Bible
For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Titus 2:11
Berean Standard Bible
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to everyone.

Romans 5:1-2
New International Version
Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

2 Corinthians 12:9
New King James Version
And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Titus 3:5
American Standard Version
not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

Romans 11:6
Lamsa Bible
And if by grace, then it is not by works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if by works, then it is not by grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Could it be that in the first-place we are saved through grace, it is a free gift, but God and Jesus still want us to follow the instructions in all the other scriptures too? Otherwise why would they be written in the Bible?

Consider first: Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Ephesians 2:8-9
Berean Standard Bible
For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Another scripture says believes, another says: Eternal life that they may know you, Another says: repent and be baptized, another: eternal salvation for all those who obey Him, another: but the one having endured to the end, he will be saved.

Use any Bible translation you like.

Believe
John 3:16
New King James Version
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 10:27-28
Colossians 1:22-23a
Acts 16:30, 31
1 John 2:2

Knowledge or Know
John 17:3
Berean Literal Bible
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
1 John 5:20
2 Timothy 3:15
1 Timothy 2:3, 4.
Psalm 79:6

Repent
Acts 2:38
Christian Standard Bible
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 3:19
Acts 26:20.
Matthew 3:2
Matthew 4:17

Get baptized
1 Peter 3:21
New International Version
21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[a] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Matthew 28:19
Acts 2: 38, 40, 41
Acts 2:38-41
Acts 8:36-38
Mark 16:16
Acts 10:47-48

Obey Jesus and God's instructions in the Bible
Hebrews 5:9
New American Standard Bible
And having been perfected, He became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey Him,
Matthew 28:20
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
John 3:36
John 14:15
Luke 8:21
Matthew 7:24
Romans 2:8
Acts 5:29
1 John 5:3
Matthew 19:17
James 1:22
Matthew 7:21

Endure to the end
Mark 13:13
Berean Literal Bible
And you will be hated by all on account of My name; but the one having endured to the end, he will be saved.
Hebrews 10:36
1 Corinthians 9:27
James 5:11
Romans 8:13
James 1:2-4
 
Does God want us to include the majority of scriptures to get our understanding or just a few scriptures?
Use any Bible translation you like.

I have often wondered why some Christians.. (indeed entire denominations in many cases) pick one or two verses, and ignore the rest?

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Acts 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

These are the ones most everyone likes to quote... as if they are enough.

Luke 13:3 "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Luke 13:5 "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish."
Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Mark 16:16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
John 14:21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will reveal Myself to him."

1Jn 3:24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Acts 22:16 'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'


Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
 
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Jas 2:18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
Jas 2:22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
Jas 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.
Jas 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Jas 2:25 In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
Jas 2:26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

Matt 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
Matt 25:42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
Matt 25:43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'
Matt 25:44 "Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?'
Matt 25:45 "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
Matt 25:46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matt 24:13 "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
Rev 2:10 'Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
 
Luke 10:25 And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
Luke 10:26 And He said to him, "What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?"
Luke 10:27 And he answered, "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Luke 10:28 And He said to him, "You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE."

Mark 10:17 As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
Mark 10:19 "You know the commandments, 'DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Do not defraud, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'"
Mark 10:20 And he said to Him, "Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up."
Mark 10:21 Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, "One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."


Matt 19:16 And someone came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?"
Matt 19:17 And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."
Mat 19:18 Then he *said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS;
Matt 19:19 HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Matt 19:20 The young man *said to Him, "All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?"
Matt 19:21 Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
 
This person is not of my faith, but he explains Hell fire better than I could ever do. With this 4-minute video.

 
Think about it how does someone start to get on the road to life? In my opinion it all starts with reading what Jesus has to say in the four Gospels then little by little start listening to his words and do what he says to do.

I am going to reread the Bible again, but first I am going to read the gospels so many times I have Jesus words memorized, in this way I can listen to Jesus words and put all his words into practice, little by little I can change into a better person following the words of Christ Jesus. :) ❤️

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Shouldn't every scripture be important to our understanding?


The Bible explains these ones: shall be cut off, will be no more, will not be found, shall vanish away, be destroyed, will perish. but the one not obeying the Son will not see life, everlasting contempt, Plus Jesus says only few are finding life, not everyone finds life. --Matthew 7:13-14

For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. --Psalm 37:95
King James Bible

Yet a little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look for them, they will not be found. --Psalm 37:10 Berean Standard Bible

New King James Version
But the wicked shall perish; And the enemies of the LORD, Like the splendor of the meadows, shall vanish. Into smoke they shall vanish away. --Psalm 37:20

For the wicked will be destroyed, but those who trust in the LORD will possess the land.--Psalm 37:9 New Living Translation

Those who do evil will perish. But those who wait on the LORD will inherit the land. --Psalm 37:9 International Standard Version

John 3:36
The one believing in the Son has eternal life, but the one not obeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." Berean literal Bible

Daniel 12:2
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. New King James Version

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it. --Matthew 7:13-14
Berean Standard Bible
 
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