Bible Study Hall

[Walter&Debbie]

Well Hello you all! and how are you on this blessed day? but do reply, ok?

The 7th. Day Is The Lord's Sabbath Day! (Gen. 2:1- "2-And on the seventh day God ended His work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all His work which he had done. 3. Then God blessed the the seventh day and santified it, because in it he had rested from all His work which God created and made.
Exodus 20: 1- " 8-12. Fr: ....... biblegateway.com/passage/20:8-12

Genesis 2: 1-2-And on the Seventh/7th. Day Not Sat. or Sun. or any many man made name of any day, but if a person would notice! , that each day started with a number system 1-7, but not Mon. -Sun.) -3- Well! ,

WHO AND WHY THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM OF THE DAYS OF THE WEEK HAD BEEN ALTERED/CHANGED Daniel 7:25, Exdus 20:8, Mark 7:13, But please do reply: Sabbath..... hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=SABBATH

Also! , But why is it that the word "Sabbath" is taken out of its context, and why is the "Sabbath on another day like Saturday or Sunday, or whatever day that a person feel is alright?

Focusing on the Days of the week, for the 7 days of cycle: .......

Days Of The Week. His Seven Day Cycle!

God the Father who is a spirit, so says the bible (John 4:24), has given His only begotten Son! , Our Lord Jesus Christ; Now then! but, and since this is His Cycle of His 7 days.

We are to follow His Cycle of His numbers esp. number 7. His Cycle goes from Sabbath to Sabbath.(Is.66:23) & (Is.58:all verses).
1st day........................Sunday
2nd day........................Monday
3rd day.......................Tuesday
4th day.....................Wednesday
5th day......................Thursday
6th day........................Friday
7th day......................Saturday
Especially His 7th Day of the Lord Jesus Christ.(Gen2:3),(Ez.20:2) & (Is.58:10-14). Blessed Sanctified, Holy, & But most Holy of Them all. It's also a Sign between you & Him To Know & How to Delight Thyself In Him on This Day Only!

The English names for the days originated so long ago that it is difficult to trace their source. However, all of them are of Teutonic (Germanic) origin. The stories that have come down to us are a combination of fact and fiction, myth and legend.

Sunday received its name from the Teutonic translation fo the Roman words dies solis--"day of the sun." Roman soldiers who fought in the German forests prayed to the sun. The Teutons called that day Sunnandag, Sunnan, ineant "of the sun : and dag was "day."

The early Christians worshipped on Sunday because the Resurrection of Jesus Christ took place on the first day of the week. By the beginning of the 4th century the Christian Roman Emperor Constantine ordered that Sunday be observed as a holy day.

The Teutons were responsible for naming the first work day and school day of the week "Monday." Before the Romans came, the Teutons called the moon "teller of time," and used it as a calendar.

The Romans arrived and the Teutons heard the Roman soldiers call Monday Dies lunae ("the day of the moon"). They were astonished to see the soldiers pray to the moon on that day. The Teutons translated dies lunae into Monandag. From that word it was an easy transition to the English word "Monday."

The Teutons had an easy time naming Tuesday. The Romans called it dies Martis ("day of Mars") after their warrior god, Mars. The Teutons had a similar god called Tiu. The Teutons decided that Mars was really Tiu and called that day Tiesdag---hence, Tuesday.

Wednesday was a problem. The Romans called that day dies Mercurii ("day of Mercury"). Mercury was the tireless traveling messenger of the gods who covered a great deal of ground in a short time. The Teutons had no god exactly like that. Woden, god of wisdom, wind, and warriors, resembled Mercury most closely, so the Teutons selected Woden, and honored him with a day called Wodnesdag, Wednesday.

Dies Jovis ("day of Jupiter or Jove"), was translated by the Teutons into Thorsdag, Thursday, for their god Thor. Both Thor and Jupiter were gods of strength and thunderbolts.

Friday in the Teuton language is Friadag, in honor of Frigg, the only major Teuton goddess. The Romans called this day dies Veneris ("day of Venus") for Venus, goddess of love and beauty. Frigg, the wife of woden, was the goddess of medicine, healing, and matrons.

The Roman word for Saturday, dies Saturni ("day of Saturn") really challenged the Teutons. The Romans named that day after Saturn, a god of farming and planting--two occupations fit only for slaves, thought the Teutons. They had no god even remotely resembling Saturn.

The problem was solved by their clumsy attempt to pronounce the word. It came out a harsh-sounding "Saeternesday." However,some Teuton tribes noticed that the Roman soldiers bathed on Saturday. These Teutons liked the custom so much that they named Saturday "bath day." In Iceland, Saturday is called Laugardagur, and in Sweden and Denmark it's Loerdag. Both words mean "bath day."

Now! as of this date "Sunday" or "Sunadag" "day of the sun"-- "dies solis" 5-24-03 (By Roman Calendar) but the first day of the wk. by the Bibical Calendar Or Ziv Or Iyar 22 1st. of The Sixth Wk. 7x5+1=36 Omer Counting, 5763 Since Abib Or Nisan Is The right Year That's If you Really Wanted To Count (His) Days ;

Where We Read (Righteousness) Exaults A Nation But (Sin)Is Reproach to any of people (Prov.14:1-34-35), & Jesus Said In (John 14:1-15-31) If you really (Love) Jesus you would (keep) (his) Commandments and not ours or someone else's right ? ,plus In (John 15:1-27) Proves That he is the "true vine" that always offers "Life Promises"! (Matt.5:19 & "other Scriptures Apply To "The Counting Of "The Omer") Leading up to "The Day of (Shauvot/Pentecost) 50th.day & An Holy Sabbath", Also "A Feast of Covenant" Gen. 8:All Vs. , Gen. 9:1-9-17-29 Unto this Day 6-11-03, Wed. (Sivan 10, 5763) (Your Response Please!)

What are the dog days?

The hot, muggy days of summer are sometimes called the dog days. They were named for Sirius, the Dog Star, the brightest star in the summer sky. Centuries ago ancient astronomers noticed that this bright star rose just ahead of the sun during the hot summer months from July to September. Sirius far outshone all other heavenly bodies, but only for a short time. Minutes later the sun rose and Sirius, the Dog Star, disappeared.

In Greek mythology Sirius was the faithful dog of Orion, a great hunter. Orion was mistakenly and fatally wounded by the goddess Diana. To atone for the deed, Diana placed his body and his hunting dog among the stars.

The early Romans believed the combination of the Dog Star and the hot sun so close together caused drought and illness. In order to pacify their gods the Romans often sacrificed dogs during the midsummer months.

Please! Don't forget your God. (PS. 9:17)
The Jewish Calendar
The Jews Used Two Kinds of Calendars. ....... Civil Calendar ...... offical calendar of kings, childbirths, and contracts. ....... Sacred Calendar ....... from which festivals were computed.

(1). Abib or Nisan............(March-April)................Ex. 13:42
(2). Zif or Iyar................(April-May)................1 Ki. 6:1,37
(3). Sivan.....................(May-June)...................Esth. 8:9
(4). Tammuz..................(June-July)...................Jer. 39:2
(5). Ab.........................(July-August).............Num. 33:38
(6). Elul........................(August-September).......Neh. 6:15
(7). Ethanim or Tishri........(September-October).......1 Ki. 8:2
(8). Bul or Heshvan...........(October-November).......1 Ki. 6:38
(9). Chislev or Kislev.........(November-December)......Neh. 1:1
(10). Tebeth...................(December-January).......Esth. 2:16
(11). Shebat or Sebat.........(January-February).........Zech. 1:7
(12). Adar......................(February-March)............Esth. 3:7
Now! here is The Jewish/Hewbrew/Biblical 24 Hr. Sys.Chart

We have experienced that we cannot rightly divide the Word Of God, unless we follow this calendar. We live the life by keeping His commandments with His cycle of Sabbaths and Feast Days, which goes together (Jn.14:15),(Ex.20:4). That's if you really love the LORD! (2Tim.2:15) .

If anyone do not understand on the above, please! talk to me, but I only ask that one would use the context of the scriptures, ok? :lightbulb :messenger

but there is much more besides the Sabbath teachings with the days of the week as a cycle, and that, as mentioned in the above : .......

We have experienced that we cannot rightly divide the Word Of God, unless we follow this calendar. We live the life by keeping His commandments with His cycle of Sabbaths and Feast Days, which goes together (Jn.14:15),(Ex.20:4). That's if you really love the LORD! (2Tim.2:15)

Example: ....... in the book of Luke 1: 26And in the 'sixth month' the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

well the 6th. mth. is not like June in the roman/julian calendars but the 6th. mth. is Elul. in the Jewish/Hebrew Calendars, ok? , so we can go on from here.

 

[stephen]

It is often claimed that "God instituted the Sabbath in Eden" because of the connection between the Sabbath and creation in Exodus 20:11. Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath-keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a special sign between God and Israel: "And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying, "Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel: 'You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to Myself. Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine'" (Exodus 19:3–5).

"Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed" (Exodus 31:16–17).

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the ten commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel:
"And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day" (Deuteronomy 5:15).

Notice the word therefore. God's intent for giving the Sabbath to Israel was not that they would remember creation, but that they would remember their Egyptian slavery and the Lord's deliverance. Note the requirements for Sabbath-keeping:

A person placed under that Sabbath law could not leave his home on the Sabbath (Exodus 16:29), he could not build a fire (Exodus 35:3), and he could not cause anyone else to work (Deuteronomy 5:14).

A person breaking the Sabbath law was to be put to death (Exodus 31:15; Numbers 15:32–35).

An examination of New Testament passages shows us four important points:
1) Whenever Christ appears in His resurrected form and the day is mentioned, it is always the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1, 9, 10; Mark 16:9; Luke 24:1, 13, 15; John 20:19, 26).
2) The only time the Sabbath is mentioned from Acts through Revelation it is for evangelistic purposes to the Jews and the setting is usually in a synagogue (Acts chapters 13–18). Paul wrote, "to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews" (1 Corinthians 9:20). Paul did not go to the synagogue to fellowship with and edify the saints, but to convict and save the lost.
3) Once Paul states "from now on I will go to the Gentiles" (Acts 18:6), the Sabbath is never again mentioned.
And 4) instead of suggesting adherence to the Sabbath day, the remainder of the New Testament implies the opposite (including the one exception to point 3 above, found in Colossians 2:16).


Looking more closely at point 4 above will reveal that there is no obligation for the New Testament believer to keep the Sabbath, and will also show that the idea of a Sunday "Christian Sabbath" is also unscriptural. As discussed above, there is one time the Sabbath is mentioned after Paul began to focus on the Gentiles, "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ" (Colossians 2:16–17). The Jewish Sabbath was abolished at the cross where Christ "wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us" (Colossians 2:14).


This idea is repeated more than once in the New Testament: "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it" (Romans 14:5–6a).

"But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years" (Galatians 4:9–10).

But some claim that a mandate by Constantine in A.D. 321 "changed" the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. On what day did the early church meet for worship? Scripture never mentions any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship.

However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that "on the first day of the week the disciples came together to break bread." In 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul urges the Corinthian believers "on the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper."

Since Paul designates this offering as "service" in 2 Corinthians 9:12, this collection must have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

The Sabbath was given to Israel, not the church. The Sabbath is still Saturday, not Sunday, and has never been changed. But the Sabbath is part of the Old Testament Law, and Christians are free from the bondage of the Law (Galatians 4:1-26; Romans 6:14). Sabbath keeping is not required of the Christian—be it Saturday or Sunday.

The first day of the week, Sunday, the Lord's Day (Revelation 1:10) celebrates the New Creation, with Christ as our resurrected Head. We are not obligated to follow the Mosaic Sabbath—resting, but are now free to follow the risen Christ—serving. The Apostle Paul said that each individual Christian should decide whether to observe a Sabbath rest, "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind" (Romans 14:5). We are to worship God every day, not just on Saturday or Sunday.

xDICEx

 

[Maureen]

Sabbath keeping is not required of the Christian—be it Saturday or Sunday.

Stephen, please bro
why then is it one of our Commandments, to keep the Sabboth day Holy?

 

[Janette]

"Our" commandments?

You rather missed the point of Stephen's post. God very specifically states when He gives the Sabbath commandment

1. To whom it is given (The *Jews* and gentile foreigners living/travelling with them.)
2. What it commemorates (Leaving Egypt)
3. How it is to be kept (Don't leave your house, start a fire, work.)
4. The punishment under the Law for not keeping it. (Death)
5. How long the people to whom it was given (the Jews) should keep it ("forever" -- though the Hebrew word there does not actually translate that way).

Don't feel too badly though, even Peter was confused about this particular thing, and he stayed confused for a good while after the Resurrection (reference the "Kill and eat" story).

There is a very relevent story given to us in the Bible about just this issue:

When Christ revealed His holy Self between the appearances of Moses and Elijah, Peter wanted to turn the whole of true religion topsy turvy by wanting to build THREE tabernacles. Poor Peter was so freaked out (I feel some sympathy for him - I'd have probably spazzed too), that he rattled off an utterly insane idea that, had he been thinking clearly, he would have known was wrong.

Peter suggeted we have it all! We'll worship the prophets in a tabernacle (heresy), we'll keep a tabernacle for the Law (legalism), AND we'll worship the Lord Christ!

Do you remember what happened next?

The voice of God the Father spoke out of the Heavens and said:

THIS IS MY SON, LISTEN TO HIM.

One might imagine the statment was pretty important if God chose that moment (one of only two in the NT if you count by story rather than by repetitions of the same story) to speak independently of Christ who was also on the scene at the time.

At that moment, God could have said "listen to them" But the Law (Moses), and the Prophets (Elijah), kept *silent*.

Why?

Because we were never ever supposed to venerate humans. Prophets don't get tabernacles and prayers...nor should saints. Elijah had nothing to say because the commander in chief -- the source of all his prophetic power, the one who gave the prophecies and who makes them come true, was standing right there.

Moses also kept silent. Why? Because *he* understood the incredible yet rarely taught significance of the day the finger of God as Christ wrote an amendment to the Law in the sand while offering mercy to a woman caught in adultery. *Moses* knew that while he was considered the Law giver, the Law MAKER was standing right there saying "I fulfil (complete/end/pay) the Law."

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God doesn't *mind* if you keep the Sabbath as an honorary thing. If you feel some tie to the bloodlines and tradtions of the Jewish people that inspires you to do so, then by all means, have at it. My 8 year old daughter drew a lovely picture and dedicated it to Jesus. We little flesh creatures all like to think there's some new way we can manifest or act in God's creation that will especially please Him.

But God *does* mind if you admonish and condemn your fellow Christians when they do no wrong by *not* keeping the Sabbath. Just as we do no wrong by *not* keeping Kosher, by *not* wearing cloth of only one weave, by not wearing robes with blue frings on them everywhere we go, etc, etc, etc.

The book of Romans (in all it's crazy long glory) is the probably best book in the Bible for deep and detailed discussions of the place and purpose of the Law in the life of a gentile Christian. There are also several other threads in the forum archives that go over the Grace/Law thing.

God Bless,
Janette

 

[Maureen]

But surely we can't pick and choose the parts in the Bible we want to adhere to?

I have been brought up to 'keep the Sabboth day Holy' I am not Jewish.
I have listened to the 'Lord's Day Observence Society' who go around the countries doing just that, as the world is not keeping it Holy.

Now weither we call it the Lord's day, or the Sabboth, surely it is still to be kept holy, and is for His people, now and then, weither Jewish or not.

Not meaning to undermine, but it's just how I lean toward, and I believe it is to be so.
I'm not condemming anyone else what they do on the Lord's day.
That's between them and God.
I just know, I aviod things that I have 6 other weekly days on which I can do them.

To me it's for church, and my bible, praising and worship to Jesus.
I'm not saying we don't do this 7 days a week, and it's a 24/7 relationship, I just couldn't have it otherwise.

 

[Cody]

Amen, Janette. I believe you hit the nail on the head. We have to rightly divide the word of God. All of the Bible is "for" us, but not all of the Bible is "to" us.

2 Timothy 2:15
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." KJV

 

[jiggyfly]

Something to consider, the priests worked doubly in the temple all during the sabbath.

 

[ravi4u2]

Nice Thought

Something to consider, the priests worked doubly in the temple all during the sabbath.

Nice thought...and in the new, we are the royal priest with Christ Himself being our High Priest.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

At that moment, God could have said "listen to them" But the Law (Moses), and the Prophets (Elijah), kept *silent*.

"Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor,talking with Jesus. They spoke to Him about His departure, which He was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem." (Lk 9:30-31 from Luke's account of the Transfiguration)

Moses and Elijah did not keep totally silent, but they did indeed fall silent when the Father showed up. You and I would have, too. We'd have been struck dumb, just as Peter was.


SLE

 

[jiggyfly]

posted by Janette> Moses also kept silent. Why? Because *he* understood the incredible yet rarely taught significance of the day the finger of God as Christ wrote an amendment to the Law in the sand while offering mercy to a woman caught in adultery. *Moses* knew that while he was considered the Law giver, the Law MAKER was standing right there saying "I fulfil (complete/end/pay) the Law."

I can find no scripture to support Christ writing any amendments to the law. Christ completely fulfilled the entire old covenant which includes the Law and Father has offered a new covenant, not an amendment.

Hebrews 8:1-13
1*Here is the main point: Our High Priest sat down in the place of highest honor in heaven, at God’s right hand. 2*There he ministers in the sacred tent, the true place of worship that was built by the Lord and not by human hands.
3*And since every high priest is required to offer gifts and sacrifices, our High Priest must make an offering, too. 4*If he were here on earth, he would not even be a priest, since there already are priests who offer the gifts required by the law of Moses. 5*They serve in a place of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven. For when Moses was getting ready to build the Tabernacle, God gave him this warning: “Be sure that you make everything according to the design I have shown you here on the mountain.”* 6*But our High Priest has been given a ministry that is far superior to the ministry of those who serve under the old laws, for he is the one who guarantees for us a better covenant with God, based on better promises.7 If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it. 8 But God himself found fault with the old one when he said:“The day will come, says the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel and Judah.
9* This covenant will not be like the one
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
and led them out of the land of Egypt.
They did not remain faithful to my covenant,
so I turned my back on them, says the Lord.
10* But this is the new covenant I will make
with the people of Israel on that day, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their minds
so they will understand them,
and I will write them on their hearts
so they will obey them.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11* And they will not need to teach their neighbors,
nor will they need to teach their family,
saying, ‘You should know the Lord.’
For everyone, from the least to the greatest,
will already know me.
12* And I will forgive their wrongdoings,
and I will never again remember their sins.”*
13*When God speaks of a new covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and ready to be put aside.

 

[jiggyfly]

Nice thought...and in the new, we are the royal priest with Christ Himself being our High Priest.

Hallelujah!!! The new covenant changes everything doesn't it.

 

[Maureen]

We do not know what Christ wrote in the sand, when the woman was brought forth in adultery.

Some speculate and say he wrote other sins that they commited and when they saw their sin exposed that's why they left.

But no one only God really knows what Jesus wrote that day in the sand,
I do believe it wasn't an ammendment either Jiggfly.