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Ave Maria

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I really dont understand why there isnt an increased devotion to the Blessed Virgin. Time and again she has proven her "power" as an intercessor for the faithful, yet still people denounce her works as "satanic". Can anyone exactly tell me why some refuse to remove their blinders>
 
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Ummm. Do you seriously expect an answer to that? Mary was called blessed among women ONLY because she was chosen to bear our Lord Jesus Christ. She was a sinful woman who's prayer at finding out she was pregnant was 'I thank you, God my SAVIOR'. Sinless women don't need a Savior. The Bible says there is One mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. That's why people do not participate in the idolatry of worshipping a human instrument that God chose to use to bring Jesus to earth...anymore than they pray to the stone tablets God wrote the Ten Commandments on. Please, study the Bible and see that it is Jesus alone that saves you. Mary would have remained lost in her sins had she not put her trust in God her Savior and His Son whom she considered herself unworthy to bear.

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Hello Ave Maria - as this site is non-denominational you will receive many views based on individual beliefs. For us who honour Mary we hold her in a special regard. We know Salvation is the Lord's and it is difficult for Christians who do not come from a Catholic background or upbringing to understand the emphasis placed on Mary and the Saints by the Catholic community.This is not a criticism in any way of their beliefs as I am sure they do not judge us who follow a different doctrine. Our Lord Jesus Christ is our hope and our light , the indisputable King of our hearts. Mary is our mother and having witnessed the working of God through her at Fatima where millions gather to worship the Lord we know how special her place in Heaven is. There are many passages in the Bible that used the vernacular of the time to communicate to the flock. Some expressions are dated but the message remains true.In Catholism Mary is a proven font of love , a willing handmaid saying "Be it done according to Thy Word" who brings people to the Lord. Others may not accept, believe or understand this but for some it helps place them on the road to eternal salvation through the Lord. Despite our differences we are part of a Christian family and like all families we will not always agree with everything we say and do. Ultimately it is our faith in God that prevails.

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Let me ask you Maria, why are you concerned about giving Virgin Mary recognition beyond just "Virgin Blessed Mary"? Who saved you? Jesus Christ. Who is GOD? Jesus Christ. Who is Mary? The sinner who GOD chose to carry His Son Jesus Christ while He roamed the earth 2,000 years ago.

John 18:37
"You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

No where in the Bible does it say to give any praise or worship to the Virgin Mary. She is blessed because she carried Jesus Christ and He called her blessed.
 
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Chad said:
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

No where in the Bible does it say to give any praise or worship to the Virgin Mary. She is blessed because she carried Jesus Christ and He called her blessed.

Amen Chad. avemaria we are told in Matthew 4 v 10 "You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve."
 
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Obviously we have some strong feelings in here lol. Actually Chad, the Virgin Mary saved me inasmuch as if it werent for her intervention I wouldnt even be ALIVE. So excuse me if I have an exceptionally strong bond to her. Also, I dont adhere to the "sola scriptura" way of thinking that my non-Catholic Christian brethren do. Therefore, just because something isnt specifically stated in the Bible, to me, doesnt mean it isnt true. Also, the Blessed Virgin was conceived and born without the taint of sin, remained pure until and after the birth of Jesus, and died a blessed woman who was immediatly taken up to heaven, body and soul, where she was crowned Queen of the Universe. As Nicholas has already pointed out, the miracles worked at Fatima are a testiment to the "power" given to Mary by our Lord Jesus Christ, who IS her only son and our Savior. Lastly, idolatry is the practice of worshiping idols, or false gods. Mary is not a "false god" because there has never been a claim to her omniscience or omnipresence. Lastly, who did the people go to at the wedding at Cana? It was Mary, and if that isnt proof enough to some of you I dont know what is.
 
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Mary is not GOD, correct. Also, What does the wedding have to do with anything? Jesus Christ is GOD and the ONLY way to the Father in Heaven. Jesus Christ is the ONLY name you can pray to. Period! DO NOT preach otherwise on my site. I accept no false doctrine on Talk Jesus. It goes by Truth not your views.

What part of this verse did you not comprehend?

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Also, where is your proof that "just because something isnt specifically stated in the Bible, to me, doesnt mean it isnt true"??? This is the most ridiculous comment I've heard in my life. This clearly shows that you do not believe the Bible being the BOOK OF *LIFE*.

How do you dare say that Mary 'saved' you by "intervention"? This is typical Catholic beliefs, just like my own sad huge family I have who fall for the same ridiculous decieving thoughts. Mary has not power to "save" you more than any other human on the planet.

I won't ask for proof because it does not exist.
 
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Mary is not GOD, correct. Also, What does the wedding have to do with anything? Jesus Christ is GOD and the ONLY way to the Father in Heaven. Jesus Christ is the ONLY name you can pray to. Period! DO NOT preach otherwise on my site. I accept no false doctrine on Talk Jesus. It goes by Truth not your views.

What part of this verse did you not comprehend?

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Also, where is your proof that "just because something isnt specifically stated in the Bible, to me, doesnt mean it isnt true"??? This is the most ridiculous comment I've heard in my life. This clearly shows that you do not believe the Bible being the BOOK OF *LIFE*.

How do you dare say that Mary 'saved' you by "intervention"? This is typical Catholic beliefs, just like my own sad huge family I have who fall for the same ridiculous decieving thoughts. Mary has not power to "save" you more than any other human on the planet.

I won't ask for proof because it does not exist.
Obviously you, like many other Christians I know, are so close-minded there's no point in even TRYING to prove nething but indulge me here for a minute. My point regarding the wedding at Cana is people came to Mary, who sent their petitions to Jesus. This is wat we Catholics have belived for the last 2000 years and like it or not, it must be true if it has been preached for that long. In regards to my "sola scriptura" comment, no where, and I mean NO WHERE in the Bible is the existence of DNA mentioned. And yet we know it to exist. Also, in the Bible it describes the sky as being "a firmament in which the stars are stuck, with floodgates that open to allow the waters from the heavens". Obviously this also is untrue, but I hope I dont need to go into detail to explain THAT. My grandfather's grandfather, on his way to America, was in danger of drowning when the ship he was on was caught in a violent storm. Being the devout Catholic he was, he prayed to Mary that if she spared him from the storm, he would build a shrine and dedicate it to her. Obviously he made it to America, and built Our Lady Help of Christians Church in Cheektowaga, NY. It was by the intercession of Mary on his behalf that I sit here writing this post, so dont U go and tell ME that I am the evil one!
 
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To me idolitary is putting anything before god, whether it be false gods, or worshipping statues of virgin mary, i was brought up a catholic and went right thru to confirmation, but mary was just a woman who god choose to concieve jesus, if it wasnt her it would be some other woman, if we put any living or non living thing before god, he will be jealous as all the glory goes to him.
My eyes were opened to false docterines of the catholic faith and i truly became a child of god when i accepted jesus as my lord and saviour, who died on the cross, not mary.
No man shall see the kingdom of god unless he is born again john 3:3
If it aint in the bible, i dont believe it, as its the living word, more uptodate than todays newspaper.
 
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We are close minded to lies and rely, believe in Scripture only. Your account is closed because you refuse to refrain from spreading false doctrine. Your attitude is unacceptable either.

Your grandfather's prayer to Mary is a lie and the shrine is called IDOLATORY. Get with the program and stop being so blind and naive. The Scripture is before your eyes.

Good bye, so long.
 
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Once again Mary is not God and this is a misunderstanding among lots of believers that follow your line of thinking of Mary. I believe in the scripture only and keep praying that the truth be known to all who seek God and his Son Jesus. God bless you and keep you and may his face always shine upon you and be gracious to you. (Numbers 6:24-26)

Jesus is the only way to God
he is the truth and the only way to God
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Amen Ariel. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school for 13yrs. The only thing I found acceptable was belief that Jesus Christ is Savior. However, the rest speaks for itself and the false doctrine does damage than good.

The Holy Bible is clear to what is right and wrong. There is no excuses, no reason to come up with your own religion.

Luke 4:6

6And he said to Him, To You I will give all this power and authority and their glory (all their magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, and grace), for it has been turned over to me, and I give it to whomever I will.

The devil said that to Jesus, our Jesus Christ. Of course he could not deceive our Savior but the devil has deceived many with his given authority (sin = authority to satan). To hail Mary, to give her praise, to assume she has power is idolatory and very sinful. It is disgraceful towards GOD. Jesus died on the cross and rose on the 3rd day, not Mary.
 
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Amen Chad and very well said to the others. No matter what we try to do to pretty it up, it is still worshiping false Gods and idoltry. Thank you for standing up and speaking the truth.
 
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God bless you brother :)

Being the utmost responsible person as the owner of Talk Jesus mixed with my love, respect and praise to GOD in Jesus Christ I will not, have not and would never allow ANY false doctrine on Talk Jesus. That is what makes Talk Jesus special. GOD speaks the Truth here without the evil lies interrupting the flow.

Praise GOD :)
 
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Chad, I've read something in the Bible that has Mary saying "All ages shall call me blessed." Would you mind explaining that to me? Thanks!
 
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Well Even though the Thread started may be Closed and all. Can soem oen PLEASE Xplain to me what the ORIGIONAL Thread was gettign to cos i DONT undertsand it...

Love Simon!!!
 
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Kara, the way you hear is what it is. She is blessed for being able to carry Jesus Christ out of her own womb. This has absolutely nothing to do nor assuming she has power to heal or hear prayers. She is blessed for that one single fact that she carried Jesus Christ in her womb.
 
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ThroneofGrace said:
My post addresses the "power" that many, including Ave Maria, claim that Mary has. This power is nothing more than what the bible talks about in 2 Thess 2:9-10: THE COMING OF THE LAWLESS ONE IS ACCORDING TO THE WORKING OF SATAN, WITH ALL POWER, SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS, AND WITH ALL UNRIGHTEOUS DECEPTION AMONG THOSE WHO PERISH, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED.
Meaning that Mary, the mother of God, is a deceiver and lawless? Hmmmmmmm. Kindly explain.
 
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Thanks Chad. Catholics would argue that she was also born sinless, but I've already got your opinions on that. Thanks again.
 
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Kara please understand that while yes Mary was blessed that she was chosen to give birth to Christ ... but that was the extent of her job....


Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

That verse you just read is about when Christ was at His home town and He wa not very welcomed... His family was there to pick Him up because they were thinking He was a bit crazy... Tell me.. if Mary was so Holy why was she with them trying to get Jesus to stop talking and leave?


Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?




Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

Did you see that Jesus tells us that who believe in Him is family not just because He was born of her womb..


Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother


When you take focus off Jesus and place it where it does not belong Mary...well.. its kinda easy to find offense.


Joyfully ~ Jlu
 
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