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for some time, I looked inside my heart, and ask the word, are we? against ourselves, and we grieve the Holy Spirit, Is Satan against Satan I read this

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Phil 2:3-5 Doing nothing through envy or through pride, but with low thoughts of self let everyone take others to be better than himself; Not looking everyone to his private good, but keeping in mind the things of others. Let this mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus

Phil 1:15-17 Though some are preaching Christ out of envy and competition, others do it out of a good heart: These do it from love, conscious that I am responsible for the cause of the good news: But those are preaching Christ in a spirit of competition, not from their hearts, but with the purpose of giving me pain in my prison.

2 Cor 1:12 For our glory is in this, in the knowledge which we have that our way of life in the world and most of all in relation to you has been holy and true in the eyes of God; not in the wisdom of the flesh, but in the grace of God.

Titus 1:9-10 Keeping to the true word of the teaching, so that he may be able to give comfort by right teaching and overcome the arguments of the doubters. For there are men who are not ruled by law; foolish talkers, false teachers, especially those of the circumcision,

Phil 1:16-17 These do it from love, conscious that I am responsible for the cause of the good news: But those are preaching Christ in a spirit of competition, not from their hearts, but with the purpose of giving me pain in my prison.

2 Cor 12:20 For I have a fear that when I come, you may not be answering to my desire, and that I may not be answering to yours; that there may be fighting, hate, angry feeling, divisions, evil talk about others, secrets, thoughts of pride, outbursts against authority;

Prov 30:11-14 There is a generation who put a curse on their father and do not give a blessing to their mother. There is a generation who seems themselves to be free from sin but is not washed from their unclean ways. There is a generation, O how full of pride are their eyes! Oh, how their brows are lifted up! There is a generation whose teeth are like swords, their strong teeth like knives, for the destruction of the poor from the earth, and of those who are in need from among men.

Prov 11:24-26 A man may give freely, and still, his wealth will be increased; and another may keep back more than is right, but only comes to be in need. He who gives a blessing will be made fat, but the curser will himself be cursed. He who keeps back grain will be cursed by the people, but a blessing will be on the head of him who lets them have it for a price.

1 Cor 11:27-34 If, then, anyone takes the bread or the cup of the Lord in the wrong spirit, he will be responsible for the body and blood of the Lord. But let no man take of the bread and the cup without testing himself. For a man puts himself in danger, if he takes part in the holy meal without being conscious that it is the Lord's body. For this cause, a number of you are feeble and ill, and a number are dead. But if we were true judges of ourselves, the punishment would not come on us. But if punishment does come, it is sent by the Lord, so that we may be safe when the world is judged. So then, my brothers, when you come together to the holy meal of the Lord, let there be waiting for one another. If any man is in need of food, let him take his meal in his house; so that you may not come together to your damage. And the rest I will put in order when I come.

Malachi 3: 16 - 18 Then those in whom was the fear of the Lord had talked together: and the Lord gave ear, and it was recorded in a book to be kept in mind before him, for those who had the fear of the Lord and gave thought to his name. And they will be mine, says the Lord, in the day when I make them my special property; and I will have mercy on them as a man has mercy on his son who is his servant. Then you will again see how the upright man is different from the sinner, and the servant of God from him who is not.

1 Tim 3:1-7 This is a true saying, A man desiring the position of a Bishop has a desire for good work. The Bishop, then, is to be a man of good name, the husband of one wife, self-controlled, serious-minded, having respect for order, opening his house freely to guests, a ready teacher; Not quickly moved to wrath or blows, but gentle; no fighter, no lover of money; Ruling his house well, having his children under control with all serious behavior; (For if a man has not the art of ruling his house, how will he take care of the church of God?) Not one newly taken into the church, for fear that, through his high opinion of himself, he may come into the same sin as the Evil One. And he is to have a good name among those outside the church so that nothing may be said against him and he may not be taken by the designs of the


Evil One. Christian looking for faults in one another If we can't learn from grace one another

In Psalm 55:14 We took sweet counsel together And walked to the house of God in the throng.

Isaiah 59:9 Therefore justice is far from us, Nor does righteousness overtake us; We look for light, but there is the darkness! For brightness, but we walk in darkness!

2 Corinthians 10:3-4 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,

Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Galatians 6:1Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.

2 Corinthians 2:7 so that, on the contrary, you ought rather forgive and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with too much sorrow.

Romans 15:15 -16 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

1 Corinthians I speak as to wise men; judge for yourselves what I say. The cup of blessing which we bless is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

James 3:13 Who is wise, and is understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. Please sick to the subject please walk-in grace
 
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The Thread Question asked" "Are we as Christian against Christians"

Answer: "YES" in capital letters!
a blind man can see that and a man without a nose can smell it too.

and the New testament can testify to it.

and Christian Denominations and non-denomination proclaims it.

(1 Cor.3).
1Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual, but as worldly—as infants in Christ. 2I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for solid food. In fact, you are still not ready, 3for you are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and dissension among you, are you not worldly? Are you not walking in the way of man? 4For when one of you says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere men?

A. Most christians talk and counsel people just like the world. "The world counselors says; you have to do this to have a good, kind and lovely family and to have a good christian marriage" "you have to love yourself first" "You deserve to be happy" "You need to take time out for yourself". Worldly counselor says "please yourself", "It is about you", Most christians has adopted the ways of the "UnGodly"!!!!! and called it christian counseling.

B. True Christian counsel will say: "A man enemies will be those of his own household" "A prophet is not without honor except among his own people"
"Beware when all men speak well of you" "But those who
marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this." "only In Christ will you find peace" "do no look for peace in the world or things" "No one can give you peace" "Your spouse cannot make you happy so do not look for it there" "You Happiness comes by doing "GOD"S Will" and obeying his word and Not your Will" "You must deny yourself"! "You are going to suffer in this world one way or the other "By Obeying GOD or doing it your way and pleasing yourself" and if you do it your way, "Proverbs has said: when you call for help, GOD will laugh at you, when you calamity comes and He will not answer."(Proverbs 1).

So again: Are we as Christian against Christians ?

anwser: YES., By their Works you shall know them.
we work against one another. our doctrine is against one another. our love is against one another.



This has become the ERA of The Great Falling Away from One Another! If we say it is not, Then we also have become Liars. and speak not "The Truth"
 
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The label Christian now has no effective meaning. Its many dogmas, ritual practices, manmade ideas, misquoted scripture, some even have there own bibles! So yes, real christians are against fake christians. What is a true Christian, one who worships the lord with all his heart, mind and soul, and treats his neighbor as himself, One who rejects this world totally, and lives only for Jesus Christ, and not for anyone or anything else. In other words, stripped mentally and spiritually. There are very few people on that trajectory today. They prefer to have there ears tickled by the great deciever. Also not at this very moment, the world these people love so much is slowly being destroyed. What they percieve to be the truth will be shown to be a lie.
 
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The label Christian now has no effective meaning. Its many dogmas, ritual practices, manmade ideas, misquoted scripture, some even have there own bibles! So yes, real christians are against fake christians. What is a true Christian, one who worships the lord with all his heart, mind and soul, and treats his neighbor as himself, One who rejects this world totally, and lives only for Jesus Christ, and not for anyone or anything else. In other words, stripped mentally and spiritually. There are very few people on that trajectory today. They prefer to have there ears tickled by the great deciever. Also not at this very moment, the world these people love so much is slowly being destroyed. What they percieve to be the truth will be shown to be a lie.
What they percieve to be the truth will be shown to be a lies:cool:
 
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Greetings,
Christ said...
You think I come to bring you peace, I tell you nay, but rather division.
Very simple, yet so mistaught. Well because those teaching, has not been properly taught. They follow the traditions of their fathers. (little f).

God told me once "many are plugged in, but their not being charged."
Well because their still stuck under the law; the OT. They have never excepted the NT, and been covered by the blood of Christ.

They get real butt hurt when one comes in "their" fold thats on "fire" for God.
They want that to, but by admitting it would mean they arent there yet and have just been getting by themselves. And who are you?
I'm a child of God.
No, whats your name?
Why does it matter?
They will receive prominate men's bloodlines; but you a peasant, clothed in rags; who are you to tell me anything about the Lord?"

Our Lord has told us these things.
You prominent man come sit here, up front, in the best seating. You, clothed with rags, come be my foot stool.

Sad, very sad, indeed; but true.
 
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The Thread Question asked" "Are we as Christian against Christians"

Answer: "YES" in capital letters!
a blind man can see that and a man without a nose can smell it too.

and the New testament can testify to it.

and Christian Denominations and non-denomination proclaims it.

(1 Cor.3).
1Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual, but as worldly—as infants in Christ. 2I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for solid food. In fact, you are still not ready, 3for you are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and dissension among you, are you not worldly? Are you not walking in the way of man? 4For when one of you says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere men?

A. Most christians talk and counsel people just like the world. "The world counselors says; you have to do this to have a good, kind and lovely family and to have a good christian marriage" "you have to love yourself first" "You deserve to be happy" "You need to take time out for yourself". Worldly counselor says "please yourself", "It is about you", Most christians has adopted the ways of the "UnGodly"!!!!! and called it christian counseling.

B. True Christian counsel will say: "A man enemies will be those of his own household" "A prophet is not without honor except among his own people"
"Beware when all men speak well of you" "But those who
marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this." "only In Christ will you find peace" "do no look for peace in the world or things" "No one can give you peace" "Your spouse cannot make you happy so do not look for it there" "You Happiness comes by doing "GOD"S Will" and obeying his word and Not your Will" "You must deny yourself"! "You are going to suffer in this world one way or the other "By Obeying GOD or doing it your way and pleasing yourself" and if you do it your way, "Proverbs has said: when you call for help, GOD will laugh at you, when you calamity comes and He will not answer."(Proverbs 1).

So again: Are we as Christian against Christians ?

anwser: YES., By their Works you shall know them.
we work against one another. our doctrine is against one another. our love is against one another.



This has become the ERA of The Great Falling Away from One Another! If we say it is not, Then we also have become Liars. and speak not "The Truth"
the question is to search within, not to find fault
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
a little humility always needed :oops:
 
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the question is to search within, not to find fault
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
a little humility always needed :oops:
I do know english grammer, english syntax. it was a question. without a question mark.>>>"Are we as Christian against Christians" unless they have change the "English Grammer" since i wrote a book in 2015.

and what does "Romans 3:23 got to do with it" for every pre schooler quotes that before they get out of dipers! at least in my house! and the oldest is almost 50! I do not get it. I got 6 and they are some smart characters, always correcting me, they even tells me how i should put on my clothes. And just because you can quote it. what does that mean! LOL!

You knock on my door!:p If you wanted it to be different, you should have explain it, in the way, you wanted it to be express>:eyes::sob:

PS and you did say, you look "Inside your heart" Bible already has told us what is in there!
 
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I do know english grammer, english syntax. it was a question. without a question mark.>>>"Are we as Christian against Christians" unless they have change the "English Grammer" since i wrote a book in 2015.

and what does "Romans 3:23 got to do with it" for every pre schooler quotes that before they get out of dipers! at least in my house! and the oldest is almost 50! I do not get it. I got 6 and they are some smart characters, always correcting me, they even tells me how i should put on my clothes. And just because you can quote it. what does that mean! LOL!

You knock on my door!:p If you wanted it to be different, you should have explain it, in the way, you wanted it to be express>:eyes::sob:
I understand you show that what the question says about Christian against Christians, it ok I forgive you, not everyone is smart as you enjoy your day :sweat:
 
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for some time, I looked inside my heart, and ask the word, are we? against ourselves, and we grieve the Holy Spirit, Is Satan against Satan I read this

In
Phil 2:3-5 Doing nothing through envy or through pride, but with low thoughts of self let everyone take others to be better than himself; Not looking everyone to his private good, but keeping in mind the things of others. Let this mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus

Phil 1:15-17 Though some are preaching Christ out of envy and competition, others do it out of a good heart: These do it from love, conscious that I am responsible for the cause of the good news: But those are preaching Christ in a spirit of competition, not from their hearts, but with the purpose of giving me pain in my prison.

2 Cor 1:12 For our glory is in this, in the knowledge which we have that our way of life in the world and most of all in relation to you has been holy and true in the eyes of God; not in the wisdom of the flesh, but in the grace of God.

Titus 1:9-10 Keeping to the true word of the teaching, so that he may be able to give comfort by right teaching and overcome the arguments of the doubters. For there are men who are not ruled by law; foolish talkers, false teachers, especially those of the circumcision,

Phil 1:16-17 These do it from love, conscious that I am responsible for the cause of the good news: But those are preaching Christ in a spirit of competition, not from their hearts, but with the purpose of giving me pain in my prison.

2 Cor 12:20 For I have a fear that when I come, you may not be answering to my desire, and that I may not be answering to yours; that there may be fighting, hate, angry feeling, divisions, evil talk about others, secrets, thoughts of pride, outbursts against authority;

Prov 30:11-14 There is a generation who put a curse on their father and do not give a blessing to their mother. There is a generation who seems themselves to be free from sin but is not washed from their unclean ways. There is a generation, O how full of pride are their eyes! Oh, how their brows are lifted up! There is a generation whose teeth are like swords, their strong teeth like knives, for the destruction of the poor from the earth, and of those who are in need from among men.

Prov 11:24-26 A man may give freely, and still, his wealth will be increased; and another may keep back more than is right, but only comes to be in need. He who gives a blessing will be made fat, but the curser will himself be cursed. He who keeps back grain will be cursed by the people, but a blessing will be on the head of him who lets them have it for a price.

1 Cor 11:27-34 If, then, anyone takes the bread or the cup of the Lord in the wrong spirit, he will be responsible for the body and blood of the Lord. But let no man take of the bread and the cup without testing himself. For a man puts himself in danger, if he takes part in the holy meal without being conscious that it is the Lord's body. For this cause, a number of you are feeble and ill, and a number are dead. But if we were true judges of ourselves, the punishment would not come on us. But if punishment does come, it is sent by the Lord, so that we may be safe when the world is judged. So then, my brothers, when you come together to the holy meal of the Lord, let there be waiting for one another. If any man is in need of food, let him take his meal in his house; so that you may not come together to your damage. And the rest I will put in order when I come.

Malachi 3: 16 - 18 Then those in whom was the fear of the Lord had talked together: and the Lord gave ear, and it was recorded in a book to be kept in mind before him, for those who had the fear of the Lord and gave thought to his name. And they will be mine, says the Lord, in the day when I make them my special property; and I will have mercy on them as a man has mercy on his son who is his servant. Then you will again see how the upright man is different from the sinner, and the servant of God from him who is not.

1 Tim 3:1-7 This is a true saying, A man desiring the position of a Bishop has a desire for good work. The Bishop, then, is to be a man of good name, the husband of one wife, self-controlled, serious-minded, having respect for order, opening his house freely to guests, a ready teacher; Not quickly moved to wrath or blows, but gentle; no fighter, no lover of money; Ruling his house well, having his children under control with all serious behavior; (For if a man has not the art of ruling his house, how will he take care of the church of God?) Not one newly taken into the church, for fear that, through his high opinion of himself, he may come into the same sin as the Evil One. And he is to have a good name among those outside the church so that nothing may be said against him and he may not be taken by the designs of the


Evil One. Christian looking for faults in one another If we can't learn from grace one another

In Psalm 55:14 We took sweet counsel together And walked to the house of God in the throng.

Isaiah 59:9 Therefore justice is far from us, Nor does righteousness overtake us; We look for light, but there is the darkness! For brightness, but we walk in darkness!

2 Corinthians 10:3-4 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,

Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Galatians 6:1Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.

2 Corinthians 2:7 so that, on the contrary, you ought rather forgive and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with too much sorrow.

Romans 15:15 -16 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

1 Corinthians I speak as to wise men; judge for yourselves what I say. The cup of blessing which we bless is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

James 3:13 Who is wise, and is understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. Please sick to the subject please walk-in grace
That's a powerful collection of statements from the Bible. I notice that you haven't included any direct words from Jesus, so to round out the collection: "I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13:34-35

A bit disappointed that most of the following posts appear to take delight in discord and strife -- the exact opposite of what we are commanded. Of course there are situations in which we need correction and sometimes rebuke from our brothers and sisters. Nevertheless our identifying feature should be love, and from that flows peace, mercy, humility, graciousness...
 
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That's a powerful collection of statements from the Bible. I notice that you haven't included any direct words from Jesus, so to round out the collection: "I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13:34-35

A bit disappointed that most of the following posts appear to take delight in discord and strife -- the exact opposite of what we are commanded. Of course there are situations in which we need correction and sometimes rebuke from our brothers and sisters. Nevertheless our identifying feature should be love, and from that flows peace, mercy, humility, graciousness...
"i thought, we are commanded to Love one another even when we have become unloveable. and by this love, they will know you are my disciples"

(Luke 6).
33“And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34“And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, in order to receive back the same amount. 35But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.

So then if I have become your enemy, although I am you brother or sister in Christ, "
How are you to treat me, so that the whole World may see"?

That was a question. Now what does the "Scriptures" say:


7Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? 8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Was this not the Title of The Thread: "Are we as Christian against Christians" I have not acted out of "AGAPE" but i have presented myself a Living Sacrifice"

I have not planned to do no harm but present the Truth and place myself as moving Target in front the Firing Squard. Armor on or Armor off i do not know! For God is My Judge. And I will take one for the Team and my fight is not with you but for You, Even if you do not understand or "Spirirual Comprehend".
 
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A Prophetic Warning :mad:

Matthew 18:15-17 (NKJV) "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'
And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

Matthew 18:18-20 (NKJV) Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.
For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."

Titus 3:9-11 (NKJV) But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,
knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

Titus 3:10-11 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,
knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

2 Thess 3:6-15 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.
For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you;
nor did we eat anyone's bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us.
For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies.
Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.
But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good.
And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed.
Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Mark 12:29-31 (NKJV) Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.
And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.'
This is the first commandment.
And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."


1 Thessalonians 5:11-15 (NKJV) Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.
And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you,
and to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. Be at peace among yourselves.
Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all.
See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all.
 
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A Prophetic Warning :mad:

Matthew 18:15-17 (NKJV) "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'
And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.


Matthew 18:18-20 (NKJV) Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.
For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."


Titus 3:9-11 (NKJV) But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,
knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.


Titus 3:10-11 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,
knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.


2 Thess 3:6-15 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.
For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you;
nor did we eat anyone's bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us.
For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies.
Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.
But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good.
And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed.
Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.


Mark 12:29-31 (NKJV) Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.
And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.'
This is the first commandment.
And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."


1 Thessalonians 5:11-15 (NKJV) Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.
And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you,
and to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. Be at peace among yourselves.
Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all.
See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all.
:worried:>What you looking at me for:eyes: :worried:Looking at me. There is only one body! what go's for one go's for all, pointing fingers at me.:sob:
A Prophetic Warning :mad: :eyes: where is the Love. You need some Ice cream,
 
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@PloughBoy, there is no firing squad here and nobody is your enemy.
I know that no person is my enemy here. But: 29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? 30And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. 31So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. 32And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.
I am not attacking any person here, no matter what they may think. or how they may feel. But they will know something has happen but they will not understand.:cool:
 
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:worried:>What you looking at me for:eyes: :worried:Looking at me. There is only one body! what go's for one go's for all, pointing fingers at me.:sob:
A Prophetic Warning :mad: :eyes: where is the Love. You need some Ice cream,
A Prophetic Warning :mad:
John 9:35-41 (NKJV) Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, "Do you believe in the Son of God?"
He answered and said, "Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?"
And Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you."
Then he said, "Lord, I believe!" And he worshiped Him.
And Jesus said, "For judgment, I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind."
Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?"
Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains.
 
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A Prophetic Warning :mad:
John 9:35-41 (NKJV) Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, "Do you believe in the Son of God?"
He answered and said, "Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?"
And Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you."
Then he said, "Lord, I believe!" And he worshiped Him.
And Jesus said, "For judgment, I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind."
Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?"
Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains.
ok calm down, i know what scripture says: you need not quote to me, calm down. calm down. ok
 
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John 8:3-12 (NKJV) Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act.
Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?"
This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.
So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first."
And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.
Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, "Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?"
She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more."
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."
 
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Greetings,

the last time i observed a grape vine, which i admit i do like doing, i did not notice any branch fussing at all about what any others were doing... however...

depending on the situation, competition from unfruitful growth can limit the better growth, ie the fruit bearing growth.
As the reapers are instructed to leave the weeds so as to not damage the cereal crop, until harvest, there is benefit offered by non-bearing growth especially in any adverse climatic conditions. The wise husbandman will do all according to his vine's need to ensure a good crop.

In regards to bearing fruit, we often can think that the fruit of the Spirit is sufficient; in many ways it is but sufficient for what?

I can take a very good vine cultivar and plant it somewhere that it does very poorly, even though it might be the worlds best strain, etc. There are definite dependencies for healthy and productive growth and it is the Lord, by His Spirit, Who supplies all our needs according to His riches in mercy. If a man has all the favourable dependencies met, he can then go about and bear fruit.

A wild vine has no husbandman, Christians do.

Let our Father be the Husbandman and let us go about producing from the very root-stock that we have been grafted into, the Lord Jesus Christ.


Bless you ....><>
 
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