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Anxiety question.

Discussion in 'Counseling' started by OAKLINE, Jul 27, 2016.

  1. Can I ask you a question. I suffer from anxiety since I was young. I was on Meds for 6 years for it. I'm off them about 2 years now. Anyway I was at the doctors today with dizziness sweats thinking that I have a brain tumour,heart attack, blood cot, stomach cancer, doctor said my anxiety is back I'm crippled with it for the last 3 days heads racing indescribable fear. He suggested I go back on the Meds for a bit. I have a d2 that would calm down my thinking but everytime I go to take it my head tells me you can't claim to be a Christian if your taking Meds. I don't know if that's the devil making me think like that! What do you think about Meds is it a sign of weakness and can you claim to be a Christian while taking Meds?
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  2. Hi @OAKLINE
    Anxiety is a really serious matter. I too was suffering from it for years. It got to the point to where the enemy wanted me to take my life. I have personally always been anti-medication, because I've always believed that the Lord could heal me of whatever I'm faced with. My anxiety got bad to where it began to affect my heart, so I decided to see a doctor. Of course the doctor prescribed some type of medication, and I decided to try it. After 2 days of taking it, it seemed as if it made me feel worse, so I decided to stop taking it. For a long time I had prayed about it, asking to be healed, looking for deliverance. I never gave up! I'm happy to tell you that I have been set free. (There are times when the enemy tries to come against my mind with it again, but I begin to meditate on the word of God.) Anxiety is a thing from the enemy, but God can set you completely free!

    I read this and think it'll be extremely helpful to you:
    "God has allowed man to grow in his knowledge of medicine, which God often uses in the healing process. There is a fine line between using medicine for healing purposes and continual reliance upon medicine for daily living. We need to recognize God as the Great Physician, and know that He alone holds the power to truly heal (John 4:14). By taking medicine on a limited basis in order to treat the symptoms, then relying upon the Word of God and wise counsel to enact transformation in one’s heart and mind, usually the need for the medicine will diminish. The believer’s position in Christ is affirmed, and God brings healing into those troubled areas of the heart and mind which are causing the ailment. For instance, when dealing with anxiety, we can look to what God’s Word has to say about fear and its place in a believer’s life. Reading through the following Scriptures and meditating on them can be a cure, as they give confidence and illuminate the truth of what being a child of God entails: Proverbs 29:25; Matthew 6:34; John 8:32; Romans 8:28–39; 12:1–2; 1 Corinthians 10:13; 2 Corinthians 10:5; Philippians 4:4–9;Colossians 3:1–2; 2 Timothy 1:6–8; Hebrews 13:5–6; James 1:2–4; 1 Peter 5:7; 2 Peter 1:3–4; 1 John 1:9; 4:18–19.
    God can heal supernaturally and miraculously. We should pray to that end. God also heals through medicine and doctors. We should pray to that end, as well. Regardless of which direction God takes, our ultimate trust must be in Him alone (Matthew 9:22)."

    I'll be praying for you!
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  3. Well, you get sick if you go off your meds. About taking meds as a Christian, doesn't the bible say "I come for those that seek a doctor." Is taking meds "Seeking a doctor."
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  4. The spiritual is manfested in the flesh. If there is a flesh sickness, it is because there is spiritual sickness below the surface.

    This world's doctors can give you a bandaid fix, maybe even surgery, but more will come because the spirit within is still sick.

    Now we can cast all our cares upon the DOCTOR and He, alone, is able to heal. He heals us from the inside out; what is inside is manifest outside. Amen
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  5. The Lord Jesus Christ tells us plainly that they that are healthy need not the physician but they that are sick: notwithstanding I assume you are referring to a medical doctor? and not a psychologist or psychiatrist; for their art is the discourse of the soul, which they have no lot in. If we seek rest unto our soul, we must consult our cause with Christ, who only can give rest to our soul. But again if your pharmaceuticals are prescribed by a physician, then we receive it, but our trust always lies in God alone, whom we know can give grace into the heart of our physician to do what is right.
  6. I'm a lil late in the conversation here but I have recently found out that I have Adult ADHD - This isn't something I just made up or use as a crutch it's what I have. I'm waiting on my doctor to get the results of all the testing I have completed to get on the correct medication which will be adderall. Many "christians" will frown upon that medication because it is easily abused by them that don't need it. However, I can no longer live like this. I have often wondered if I was going crazy or was already there. My friend has anxiety & is in love with Jesus. God gave us common sense & also created doctors to help us. Utilize what God has given. It will not make you any less or more saved.It doesn't make a person weak by any means. If I could just force myself to finish a project I would, common sense would kick in but it's not about force, will power or motivation. Tell the devil to shut his lying trap. Tell him that YOU unlike HIM are under God & are forgiven... satan on the other hand has already been judged & is going to hell ...

    Don't see yourself as a weakling because you require additional 'information' to run properly. God knows, he sees all - Take your meds so you can move on from the burden of not taking them... There are bigger fish to fry ;)

    God will guide you & have you exactly where he wants you.
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  7. 2 Tim 1:7
    For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

    Phil 2:2
    Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

    Good morning Oakleaf;

    We all have warts and blemishes. Some are easier to bear with than others. Continue to take your medicine if you need it. The mind is a bit like outer space: the final frontier of the body. Medicine has made wonderful gains, but the mind is still elusive in what exactly makes it tick. Behaviours can be borne, they can be learned, and they can be modified. But, how exactly do begin with them? Medicine doesn't have an accurate answer other than we're born a certain way.

    I include the above verses to be more of a quest than a command. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is our walk with God. I have a song based on Matt 7:7 which goes like this: "Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness ...". Keep your eyes, mind, and heart upon the teachings of Jesus, and I feel some of your problems will gradually sort themselves out. Phil 4:8;
  8. Some very fine points made here. Well OAKLINE I have 8 stents in my heart,and the doctor gave me 8 different
    things to take after that,I am now down to two. LOL To me what is important is that what you are taking you believe is indeed helping you,and if it is,what do you care what anyone else thinks about it?? LOL I sure do not. Rom 14:13-14

    Even though this is talking about meat this could sure also hold true for many other things,example a person enjoys a glass of wine now and again.To some it is a sin,but to me it is not a sin.( 1 Tim 5:23.) Of course if that brother or sister came to my home and believed drinking wine was a sin to them,i sure would never cause them to stumble by serving it!

    We are all different people OAKLINE, as you well know,what is correct and needed by some,is not always needed by all,but that is why we need each other in the body of Christ, to think and consider how Jesus can ever be much more part of our daily life,in both word and deed. Jesus has no fear, neither are we to. ( 2 Tim 1:7) Jesus choose to look at each one of us in this light.( Phil 4:7-8) to keep his peace,and we keep ours as we follow in his example to me.Blessing!
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  9. Not taking them when you need them is tempting God. No debate there.

    As for weakness for not being healed. I don't believe we can ever call it a weakness. We are all growing day by day. We may call a toddler weak, a teenager naïve and an old person frail...but in reality we are all just at different stages of growth. The determining factor at any stage is how full of the Holy Spirit we are.
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  10. I suffer from anxiety myself. I perfeel trying a more natural route before trying medications and most of the time it helps, really. There are herbs that you could try such as Passionflower, Skullcap, Lavender based teas, Valerian Root, Dandelion, etc. God put so many things here for us to try.

    Yes, God tells us not to be anxious or afraid. . . However, there are such things as chemical imbalances in the brain which cause anxiety and sometimes people need medication in order to function properly. Don't let anybody tell you that you're less of a Christian because of this imbalance. Pray and get the help that you need.
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  12. I believe that God can heal all. However, we live in a world of sin and God doesn't always heal the physical sickness. He is more focused on mending the spiritually sick, the heart. Can medication be abused? Yes. Can anxiety come from deeper rooted issues? Of course. God gave some people the gift of healing (doctors, counselors, pastors, etc). If someone has a chemical imbalance in the brain... That person needs to take the proper measures in order to seek help. That's like telling a bipolar person to remove themselves from their meds. No. There are some cases where medication may be needed.
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  13. It can be if you use them to feel good, or alter a spiritual problem.

    Realize that those who are like minded to God continue there journey, the others will just die.

    Death is ceasing the journey to life

    That's all,

    It won't hurt them.
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  14. Focus on the sickness and it prgresses; I believe I will stay focus on the cross.
    In the flesh, our sins are clearly seen and heard, those sicknesses are being birthed because of a spiritual manifestation, which can not be seen. We can speak life or death into our lives; our choice.
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  15. Jesus had healed a man, and later he found this same man and said this to him....

    Joh 5:13 Now the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, as there was a crowd in the place.
    Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, "See, you are well! Sin no more, that nothing worse may happen to you."

    Healing is a constant battle as we do not have to ask the devil to put sickness on us, he will do that whether we want it or not. Knowing what scriptures promise in the area of healing, and confessing them every day is a key to staying healed. If we sin, confess that sin immediately so the devil gains no foot hold to bring sickness back.

    Taking medication is NOT a sin, and it should be taken in faith believing the Lord will deliver you from them. Resist the devil and he will flee from you in stark terror. :)
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  16. My husband suffers anxiety.

    There are two Christian grounded natural pharmacy sites that have formulas that treat anxiety.

    Ask The Pharmacist - Joe Dimatteo (There is a menu on the right side of the home page with alphabetical lists of health issues.Anxiety also features an audio podcast : "Stress, Anxiety, Panic Attacks, Depression–How they are linked!"

    And then there is The Natural Pharmacist Ross Pelton. He too has an alphabetical list. There's also an article on the Anxiety page that is something I don't think we'd have read 10 or more years ago. "Psychiatrist Praises Natural Therapies for Anxiety & Depression".

    God's healing power be with you all.
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  17. Hi Oakline,

    Thanks for sharing and I'm sorry to hear you are in a bad way at the moment. Remember that you have lived successfully with little or no anxiety so it is possible for you to live anxiety/fear free. Plus there are so many testimonies of people recovering from this kind of mental issue. I have gradually been overcoming my pure-obsessional issues with the help of God and some techniques that I have developed.

    It sounds like you have some hypochondria, right? Is that the main source of anxiety? What other thoughts do you have that make you anxious?

    I will run over a few of techniques that helped me and still do help when I get an annoying anxious thought:

    1. Breathing. The soul is also translated as breath. The breath is so important in our conscious perception of reality and how we process thoughts and emotions. Simply put, I try to breath INTO positive, Godly feelings of peace, joy, space in my mind, hope. And then NOT breath, breathing lightly or even holding my breath when a really negative thought enters my mind or I am struck by a sense of confusion, fear, anxiety.

    Start this technique by connecting with God in prayer and focussing on your breath as you take a nice deep breath of about 4 seconds and then exhale slowly. Imagine and belief that your breath is coming from God and that he is pouring his peace and light over your heart and it is permeating your mind. Do this for about 10 minutes and then go about your usual day and check back in to your breath to re-focus back on the present moment and feel alive in Christ.

    2. Face the fear. A very fundamental teaching when it comes to anxiety (I hate that word), is that we face the fear and do not try to reassure ourselves with phrases, images, thoughts but instead let the anxious thought come with its horrible feeling of fear and then sit it out and then at the next possible moment, re-orientate ourselves back to the moment when the feeling has passed. The previous technique eases the practice of this.

    3. Naming and shaming. I have started to categorise the thoughts that come into my mind that cause me fear, anxiety, doubt, despair. For example, I sometimes worry that I have hurt someone simply by having an sexual image come to mind, I call this 'thought crime'... after I get that thought I say, ok just another case of thought crime and almost laugh it off. So for you, you could perhaps say, 'random illness'. The more ridiculous and funny the better.

    4. Time. These things always take time to heal so just try to enjoy what you can at the moment and surrender daily to Jesus, putting ALL of your hope in Him, the everlasting God - El Olam.

    5. Sword of the spirit. Now this slightly contradicts with my previous technique that we shouldn't reassure ourselves when we face a negative thought or feeling but face it and then re-focus on the present moment. However, the Word of God is different as long as it used correctly. If you have a sudden fear of being ill or catching something horrible... try all the above techniques and then if you are still feeling uneasy try to remember a passage of scripture that deals with this issue. For example, Isiah 41:10 "fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand."

    6. Daily prayer. While I believe instant hearings can happen and are worth praying for, also remember that God can do gradual healing over time. Pray in the morning, here's an example: "O Lord, guard my heart and mind in Christ Jesus today I pray. Grant me your peace and strength today to face whatever challenges lie ahead. My hope is in you and your unfailing love. I pray for your presence today Lord and for your Holy Spirit to fill me and for Christ to protect me with the full armour of God against all attacks of the enemy and increase my faith I pray and keep me humble. Walking by faith and not by sight.

    7. A bit of both. I think that over-spiritualising the anxiety can be an issue and believing that every anxious thought and feeling comes from the enemy can leave us more scared than prepared for battle. Instead remember that there may be deep emotional issues that are surfacing and causing fear, try to seek professional help to pin-point and recover from these deeper issues. I highly recommend EMDR therapy and I believe that God works through that to heal past trauma and emotional abuse/issues. And of course the devil is trying to use weak points in our heart and mind to attack us and bring us down... put on the full armour of God. For more on that, check out David Jeremiah's sermon series on this.

    I hope this helps you. Let me know if the breathing technique works for you, I have never revealed this to anyone suffering from these issues.

    God Bless!

    With Love,
  18. It could be the devil or our sinful nature or both, but it is not something the Lord would say.

    He would say because you are His, bought with a price and sealed as His for believing in Him, you never have to worry about that as not being a christian. He is the One that has made you His.

    2 Timothy 1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands. 7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

    1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

    I have problems with my mind and I need His help to get my mind off of those things upsetting me to think on something else that is good to dwell on. It can be worry, anxiety, or hatred with malice or wicked imagination, but He will help me cast it down to think on other things as I pray to Him for help. There were times that I had several spooky supernatural encounter at night wherein in one of those times, I had to pray for help because I was hearing church bells playing the theme from M.a.S.H. at 3:15 in the morning, but my folks were not hearing it. Eventually I fell asleep and next morning, a morning news on TV cited a trivia that the original title to the theme from M.A.S.H. was "Suicide is Painless".

    So this is the battle and I give it to Him to fight especially when it is overwhelming me.

    Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

    2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

    Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

    Psalm 19:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

    God loves you so no matter what is going through your thoughts, may the Lord remind you of this promise of joy for during our afflictions;

    Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us..............31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
  19. Blessings,
    It's NOT God at all telling you this.
    It's lies from our enemy the devil.
    Those firery darts scripture talks about are thoughts.

    Take your meds and trust God for your healing.
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