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An understanding of Genesis 2:7

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And God formed a man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils and this man/human became a living soul or was enabled to have direct fellowship with God here on earth. This was the first ancestor in the family through which Jesus would be born and the old testament of the Bible is the story of the generations of this family until the time of Jesus.
 
Adam was formed a human. Adam became a living soul who could stand in the physical presence of the preincarnate manifestation of God and fellowship with Him. When Adam disobeyed God, was possessed of the motivation or spirit of evil or selfishness and was consumed by the spirit or influence of self-reliance, he died to the direct fellowship with God's "physical" manifestation but God, in His motivation or spirit and by His influence or spirit of provision, provided coats of skin for his covering.
Us humans have a physical body, which enables our interaction with the material or substance/things of this physical realm, we have a soul of which God alone looks on our heart, and there is the motivation of our spirit which is either solely self or, in the influence of God, self and others. There is, also, the spirit or influence of our interactions with other humans and God. We may interact in a spirit of anger out of a spirit or influence of a good motivation or, unfortunately, vice versa.
I will give thanks to God and proclaim Him alone righteous, as Jesus said none good but God.
 
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@this human,

Would you say our “soul” is within our physical mind and our spirit is within our heart?

I ask this because I know scripture teaches Jesus was cruficified in the body and His spirit didn't die but His soul did.

H5315
nephesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.
 
@this human,

Would you say our “soul” is within our physical mind and our spirit is within our heart?

I ask this because I know scripture teaches Jesus was cruficified in the body and His spirit didn't die but His soul did.

H5315
nephesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.
Our soul is the us that is everlasting from our birth. The soul of God is everlasting from Alpha to Omega or before beginning and evermore. The soul of God remains enthroned in third heaven though God's Spirit inhabited and possessed the human vessel or vessel of flesh that is Jesus, which enabled His face to face interaction with humanity apart from His glory, which us mere humans can not bear but a glimpse of which was witnessed in His transfiguration. There is the spirit or influence of our and God's motivation. The spirit of all mere human's motivation is evil or selfish as exhibited by Adam and Eve's act of disobedience. Jesus influences or provides that our motivation be possessed of His Spirit or influence, which is good or giving or providing for others rather than solely for ourselves. It is only Jesus' vessel of flesh that died not His soul or spirit but His vessel lives forever more and makes intercession for us.
 
Another consideration in this passage is the forming of Adam. At this point God or the Almighty is preincarnate yet He is able to manipulate physical matter by His non-physical or extra-physical hands. We humans observe the physical via physical senses and manipulate matter with our physical hands. God is greater and provides for the extension of our manipulation and observation beyond the reach of our physical into the extra-physical or spiritual realm.
 
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@this human,
Would you agree that Jesus came in the likeness the first Adam, in the likeness of sinful flesh being created a living soul?

Would you agree that Jesus "soul" was not left in hell?

Would you agree the bible teaches the spirit of man is his rational soul?
 
Before the beginning(Genesis 1:1), Jesus is a living soul, Adam was formed of the earth sinless and obedient and became a living soul until his disobedience when he became a dead soul separate from fellowship with God . Sinful humanity and Adam began in the image and likeness of Jesus, who is, was, and always will be sinless. The flesh inhabited, whom we call Jesus and which WAS created when God said the seed of the woman, was sinless as it was not conceived of mere male human seed.
Jesus, in His godness, descended and ascended to the third heaven where He remains enthroned, unto this day, until He returns to ascend His throne in Jerusalem.
I have written my understanding of soul and spirit from my reading of KJV Bible and seeking God for understanding. Hebrews 4:12 says the word or Jesus or God is able to divide between our spirit or our motivation(solely self or self and others) and the spirit or influence of our interactions with Him and other humans. Rationality only exists in studying or worshipping Bible and seeking God.
 
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Would you agree the bible teaches the spirit of man is his rational soul?
No. We like God, are also triune beings in a sense.
Body, mind and soul. The Bible speaks to each and separates them.

Obviously our body is our physical flesh.
The Bible talks about what is in our heart, it says the heart is desperately sick. ( Jer 17:9; ) It says our mouth speaks out what is in our hearts. (Matt 15:18; )

The Bible usually separates the soul from the mind. Here are some examples.


Matt 22:37; Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mark 12:30; And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Luke 10:27; And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
 
@this human,

I believe Adam became a separate soul from God (Isa. 59:2).

I believe that Adam was in the image and likeness of Jesus; sinless (Gen. 1:26, 27). I agree about the seed of the woman.

I believe Jesus descended and ascended to the third heaven, etc.

I believe Hebrews 4:12, God is able to divide between soul and spirit, etc. And I agree with everything else you said.

There is so much more to understand on the subject of soul and spirit than what you’ve said, and if you desire to hear it I’ll write it up and post it if you desire to read it.
 
@B-A-C,

I said, “Would you agree the bible teaches the spirit of man is his rational soul?”

You said:
No
. We like God, are also triune beings in a sense.
Body, mind and soul. The Bible speaks to each and separates them.

You said:
Obviously our body is our physical flesh.
The Bible talks about what is in our heart, it says the heart is desperately sick. ( Jer 17:9; ) It says our mouth speaks out what is in our hearts. (Matt 15:18; )

The Bible usually separates the soul from the mind. Here are some examples.

I never denied we were not triune beings; I was only making a point on what scripture teaches about the spirit of man. However, your “Jer 17:9” verse is out of context. God has given all believers a new heart that is incorruptible (Eze. 36:26). Though our mouth speaks and does vile things, our new hearts are not corrupt. This is only because of the Grace of God and how He view things in His mind. God is not imputing sin to our actions of wrong doing (Rom. 4:8; 2Cor. 5:19). This is why our hearts cannot become defiled. God did not give believers a new heart with the possiblity of them becoming defiled from sin. Sin defiled man's heart under the old law. The reason God gave believers a new heart is their old heart was corrupt and defiled because of sin. The new heart cannot be defiled that's the purpose of the new heart. It is sin free only because God is not allowing it to become defiled by imputing sin to it. Again, in "HIS" mind; that's all that matter.
 
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And God formed a man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils and this man/human became a living soul or was enabled to have direct fellowship with God here on earth. This was the first ancestor in the family through which Jesus would be born and the old testament of the Bible is the story of the generations of this family until the time of Jesus.
How about "You are a spirit, you have a soul, and you live in a body. Your soul is basically your mind. Your spirit is in charge, It tells the mind how to function
 
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The word translated 'soul' is nephesh. It simply means a breathing being.

The idea that the body and soul are separate comes from Greek philosophy (Plato), not the Bible.

That's part of the reason why resurrection is so important in the New Testament.
 
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And while we are on what makes up a human, the Bible authors had no concept of the brain. So they understood both emotion and intellect as coming from the heart.

That may sound odd, but even today we still talk of 'matters of the heart', even though we know that it's just a muscle that circulates blood.
 
@Hekuran,
When you say
, "And while we are on what makes up a human, the Bible authors "had no concept of the brain." So they understood both emotion and intellect as coming from the heart."

Are you saying they didn't understanding the "mind" as the "brain?" Scripture talks about the mind. Are you saying they look at the mind also as the heart?

When you say, "The word translated 'soul' is nephesh. It simply means a breathing being."

I agree with this understanding. In the new covnenat could it be referring to something else?
 
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In modern western idiom, the heart is the organ of emotions.
In Hebrew thought, it's the organ of emotions, attitudes and intellect.

For example 'the fool says in his heart...'

It's explains why the Shema says love God with heart soul and strength. And in the greek gospel, Jesus say heart, mind soul and strength.

I don't see anywhere in the New Testament the idea that a human is an immortal soul carried in a mortal body.
 
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And while we are on what makes up a human, the Bible authors had no concept of the brain. So they understood both emotion and intellect as coming from the heart.

That may sound odd, but even today we still talk of 'matters of the heart', even though we know that it's just a muscle that circulates blood.
I do not believe they knew so little, considering the vast libraries and technology they had.
 
Hekuran,
I have believed this for many years and it’s confirming to hear your explanation.

I believe the heart and the mind/brain communicate, but the heart is where the “will” of man is. I believe the heart makes the final decision. The mind just carry’s out (in the body) the instructions given it through the signals the heart/will send it.

If the mind (the physical brain) receives signals from any of its 5 senses in the body, it is sent to the heart and the heart determines if it should be rejected or accepted and acted on (according to information in the heart). When scriptures teach us to renew our mind, whatever is in our heart (the spiritual mind) will send a signal to the brain (physical mind) to control the physical body through muscles, nerves, etc and the body will begin to do according to the hearts will.
 
The word translated 'soul' is nephesh. It simply means a breathing being.

The idea that the body and soul are separate comes from Greek philosophy (Plato), not the Bible.

That's part of the reason why resurrection is so important in the New Testament.
Jesus was a breathing human. Jesus' body was a dead human body. Jesus is reunited with or resurrected to His body but I do not think that His body requires breathing or food, though He hung out awhile and ate. I have heard spirit described as breath, air, or life.
 

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