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so a couple months ago i began speaking in tongues. As i was worshiping in my car on my way to work my mouth began to say weird random things. i stopped that instant because i thought it was weird. A week later, same thing happened, but i didnt stop and went on for a good 10 seconds, and then soon later realized what i was doing.
Now, can only those who have been baptised in the spirit speak in tongues? i ask becuase i have no recollection of being baptised in the spirit and have been told that it was like having a bucket of cold water dumped on you in a hot day. but then again the person that told me said accepting Jesus was like drinking a cold bottle of water on a hot day, something i did not feel.
 
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Baptized basically means "to immerse" so if you worship a lot that is a kind of being immersed in the Spirit.
I have strange things happen when I get immersed in worship.
 
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The descriptions you've been told are not from one who has been truly saved or baptized in the Holy Spirit. There are false tongues given by Satan and there are tongues given by the Holy Spirit. Almost no one will tell you this today. Many churches claim the baptism in the Spirit, but it is NOT the Spirit of God, because they do not teach the true gospel of Christ. Satan is out to deceive and destroy people and is very much involved in most churches today.
It would be best to know first, if you've truly been born again, having God work a work of repentance in your life first, drawing you to Christ, who is the living, risen, Son of God. Most have never met Jesus and experienced his cleansing power and life changing power that comes into a soul who is truly born again. They simply were told they were saved because they did something. Most have heard a false gospel told to them. For instance, if you came to an altar and prayed a sinner's prayer as an adult, following a rote formula, you heard a false gospel, and are not born again. One must truly come to the Son of God, recognizing you cannot save yourself by anything you do, giving up your life to him. You cannot do this without the direct grace of God working within you. But even this is way too simplistic of an answer. By the way, it is spelled "baptized." It's confusing because of how you spell "baptism."
 
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There's plenty of confusion and disagreement in the Christian church about what baptism in the spirit means and how it happens. Skipping over all of that flor a moment, from what you have said, I'd be confident that you are baptised in the spirit. Some of us have particular experiences - cold water on a hot day - many of us don't.
If you are filled with the Spirit, you lack nothing.
Blessings
(and baptised is acceptable spelling in British English ;)
 
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so a couple months ago i began speaking in tongues. As i was worshiping in my car on my way to work my mouth began to say weird random things. i stopped that instant because i thought it was weird. A week later, same thing happened, but i didnt stop and went on for a good 10 seconds, and then soon later realized what i was doing.
Now, can only those who have been baptised in the spirit speak in tongues? i ask becuase i have no recollection of being baptised in the spirit and have been told that it was like having a bucket of cold water dumped on you in a hot day. but then again the person that told me said accepting Jesus was like drinking a cold bottle of water on a hot day, something i did not feel.


Greetings @StealthCJDB

Its not about how you feel, its not about cold water experiences, its not about whether or not you speak in tongues
Its about what the Lord did for you at Calvary
And you can rejoice that since the moment you accepted Him as your Lord and Saviour His Spirit has dwelled within you


But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
Romans 8:9

That we should be to the praise of His glory, who first trusted in Christ. In Whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in Whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 1:12-14
 
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Please could you back up all your posts with scripture to provide clarity and truth.

Where in the scriptures does it say that false tongues are given by satan?

Thank you
Speaking in tongues is a sign, according to Jesus as stated in Mark:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;" Mark 16:17 (KJV)
Satan is able to duplicate certain signs and wonders according to scripture: "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thess 2:9-12 (KJV)
We are also told to
"Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them." Luke 21:8 (KJV)
Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, Jude, and John all warn about false prophets and/or false brethren:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Matt 7:15 (KJV)
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." 2 Cor 11:13-15 (KJV)
In the old testament and the new we have examples referred to by Paul,
"Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith." 2 Tim 3:8 (KJV)
Jannes and Jambres were the magicians with Pharaoh who also turned water to blood, their staffs to snakes, and many other signs to fool Pharaoh and resist Moses. Paul is discussing false prophets of his day who were like "Jannes and Jambres" so it can easily be deduced that they could have another tongue, similar to the tongues received by true believers. So we have evidence from Scripture that Satan can indeed give false signs by giving people a gift of tongues. This in no way rejects the gift of tongues as given by the Holy Spirit, but is a warning to those who would follow false prophets that they can do lying signs and wonders and people do have signs happen to them to fool them into believing a false christ or false gospel or some false prophet.
On the subjective, but real world side of this debate, I have a friend who received a false tongue as a Catholic through a false prophet who came to her college. She was not even saved at that time and it severely affected her for evil. I've also heard of witch doctors in Indonesia which spoke in tongues as written about by a Christian brother who encountered them. I've met others who were not true Christians, but hypocrites, with hatred and unforgiveness and lying, only they talked about Jesus all the time and spoke in tongues and even prophesied. They caused much harm to believers, including me. Then I have known and still know those who have received this true gift and love the Lord and follow him faithfully and use this gift for their edification and one who uses this gift and can interpret, also, and give the word of God to others. So I am by no means against tongues, but am for the truth.
 
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There's plenty of confusion and disagreement in the Christian church about what baptism in the spirit means and how it happens. Skipping over all of that flor a moment, from what you have said, I'd be confident that you are baptised in the spirit. Some of us have particular experiences - cold water on a hot day - many of us don't.
If you are filled with the Spirit, you lack nothing.
Blessings
(and baptised is acceptable spelling in British English ;)
@StealthCJDB I would not be so confident to simply believe what someone tells you. We are to try the spirits to see whether they are of God or not. In other words, you must judge what is true or what is false. The Scriptures must be your guide, thus I asked you in effect, "whether you be in the faith" or if you've truly been saved. Most have not been, especially those who go to the modern churches. What is your testimony? How did you first believe? What did they tell you about how to be saved?
I can tell you for sure that to meet the Lord Jesus or to be baptized by Him with the Holy Ghost is a powerful experience wherein one is utterly humbled in the sight of the Holy God. God is holy and he does not fill those who have not repented of sin or totally submitted their lives to Him. Nor can they be filled if they have believed a false gospel and are led by a false prophet. What church do you attend if any? You need not answer my questions in public, but you do need to honestly consider what I am saying and not shrug it off for your own sake and the Lord's sake.
 
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Jesus warned that many false christs and false prophets would rise up to deceive many. Do these people solicit worship to their god? Of course they do and they say it is the Lord and they use the name of Jesus. Every Sunday across the nation thousands of churches "worship God." But tell me, is all their worship accepted? Is all their worship to the same God? Or is their worship in "spirit and in truth?"
"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Mark 7:7 (KJV)
So worship to another christ can draw unclean spirits and does.
Paul tells the Corinthians:
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." 2 Cor 11:3-4 (KJV)
So, one can most certainly be deceived and be worshiping another Jesus by another spirit having received another gospel. Does a Catholic priest, who teaches faith plus works, worship the same Christ as Paul the apostle preached? Does the Lutheran minister who teaches you are saved when baptized as a baby, worship the same Christ as Paul who said, "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel" 1 Cor 1:17 (KJV)? Does the Assemblies of God minister who teaches you must speak in tongues as the evidence of being filled with the Holy Ghost, worship the same Christ who said, "You shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you"?
 
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If you were responding to my post you might notice that I said nothing about denominations.
It was just a generic statement.
Am I correct in assuming that you believe a worshiping catholic or Lutheran would draw unclean spirits?
Does God judge by denomination?
Is my pastor then the one who saves and if he is wrong is God going to reject everyone in that denomination?
Is being in the right denomination a condition of salvation or is it a work?
 
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Now, can only those who have been baptised in the spirit speak in tongues?
1 Corinthians 12 :4-11
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
  • Speaking in tongues is one of the spiritual gifts of God
  • You can't receive a spiritual gift from God unless you have been saved, "Born Again" , or having Jesus Christ / Holy Spirit in you, or also called being baptized by the Holy Spirit.
  • So now the answer to your question : Now, can only those who have been baptised in the spirit speak in tongues? , is yes!
  • Just FYI: If you plan on using this gift, aside by yourself alone, ST. Paul explicitly states that if you do it in in front of others or in church, you must have an interpreter so the church can be edified, otherwise it is best that you don't do it under those circumstances.
 
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If you were responding to my post you might notice that I said nothing about denominations.
It was just a generic statement.
Am I correct in assuming that you believe a worshiping catholic or Lutheran would draw unclean spirits? There are exceptions for newly converted souls, but those that adhere to the doctrines of these churches, yes, because they worship another Christ and have another gospel, so they have not the Spirit of God
Does God judge by denomination? see below
Is my pastor then the one who saves and if he is wrong is God going to reject everyone in that denomination? Jesus tells us to beware of false prophets because they will lead you away from Jesus and into sin.
Is being in the right denomination a condition of salvation or is it a work?
If you call yourself a Lutheran or Methodist or Catholic or Pentecostal or Baptist and follow their doctrines, then you are living in sin and must repent, as only Christians who are truly born again have entered into life.
It is not me who made this up, but it is the apostle Paul who explained this to the Corinthians. He also talked strongly to the Galatians who had been led away from the true gospel by men who added a single heresy to the gospel. Those men that led the Galatians into error were cursed by God, according to my Bible. Teaching wrong doctrines and saying God is behind it is a grave sin.

As to whether God judges denominations as good or evil you tell me after reading these verses:
"Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor 1:10-13 (KJV)
"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." Romans 16:17-18 (KJV)
"For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. 10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." 1 Cor 3:3-11 (KJV)
"For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you." 1 Cor 11:18-19 (KJV)
"Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion." Romans 12:16 (NKJV)
"Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: 6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 15:5-6 (KJV)
"Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;" Phil 1:27 (KJV)
"Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. 3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves." Phil 2:2-3 (KJV)
"Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous" 1 Peter 3:8 (KJV)
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."
1 Cor 3:16-17 (KJV)
And now, the words of Jesus from whose gospel the apostles made these many verses:
"Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are." John 17:11 (KJV)
"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."
John 17:20-23 (KJV)
 
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If you call yourself a Lutheran or Methodist or Catholic or Pentecostal or Baptist and follow their doctrines, then you are living in sin and must repent, as only Christians who are truly born again have entered into life.
It is not me who made this up, but it is the apostle Paul who explained this to the Corinthians. He also talked strongly to the Galatians who had been led away from the true gospel by men who added a single heresy to the gospel. Those men that led the Galatians into error were cursed by God, according to my Bible. Teaching wrong doctrines and saying God is behind it is a grave sin.
Many of us here are going to great pains to work out these divisions but statements like that are a sure fire way to cause division and strife on a public forum.
no need to respond as we are way off the original subject
 
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  • Speaking in tongues is one of the spiritual gifts of God
  • You can't receive a spiritual gift from God unless you have been saved, "Born Again" , or having Jesus Christ / Holy Spirit in you, or also called being baptized by the Holy Spirit.
  • So now the answer to your question : Now, can only those who have been baptised in the spirit speak in tongues? , is yes!
You are equating being born again with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This is not what Christ or the apostles taught. They are not the same. The disciples were all born again souls. Jesus said they were all "clean" (except for Judas, whom he called a devil). It was not until after the resurrection that Christ told them to wait in Jerusalem till they were endued with power from on high (or the Holy Ghost baptism). Even in Acts after Philip preached to the Samaritans, they believed and were baptized in water. but as yet the Holy Ghost had fallen on none of them, so they called for Peter and John to come to them who laid hands on them and prayed for them and they were filled with the Holy Spirit.
 
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Many of us here are going to great pains to work out these divisions but statements like that are a sure fire way to cause division and strife on a public forum.
There is already great division as evidenced by the thousands of variants of denominations. What is lacking is the unity of the Spirit and unity of the faith of the knowledge of the Son of God. Ecumenical unity is not godly unity in Christ. Godly unity can only be found among true believers who love the Lord Jesus Christ, rejecting all divisions, including their denominations, willing to take up the cross to suffer for Jesus, rather than please men and their denominations. I have no doubt that denominational folks will wind up in hell, except they repent. Any true believers among them must come out or they will sell out Christ and be lost.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." 2 Cor 6:17-18 (KJV)
Your pseudonym denotes suffering in taking up the cross for Jesus. Thus it must be if we wish to follow Jesus and be true to Him. You can be true to Jesus or be true to your friends with differing doctrines. But to follow Jesus is not easy and his love requires that you tell men the truth, not mince words with them.
 
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I am not disagreeing with you just reminding you that all..uh you know are welcome here and nonbelievers come here and atheists come looking for fault.
Your message is for mature believers who should know better.It took me 7 years of study and testing doctrines before I could see what you see/
Your message could have caused me to throw up my hands over all the confusion.
Telling a child that worship can cause demon infestation is ludacris and irresponsible.
I was frustrated that christians seemed to have no love.
It is the goodness of God that leads us to repentance.
The people in your own life should gather around you to know the secret of your joy and giving and forgiving nature.
How people see us act is our pulpit.
This audience is not our pulpit.

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
 
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This thread is going way off topic and will be of no benefit to the original poster

Please keep to topic

I have moved your last post @Hopeful_One and put it in Ethic's and Morality under the title Churches Today (you can change that if you like)....as the content had nothing to do with this thread.
 
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You are equating being born again with the baptism of the Holy Spirit
You call it what you want!
For me, I am saved, "Born Again" and that means that the Holy Spirit is in me.The Bible teaches that John The Baptist baptized by water and that Jesus baptizes by the Holy Spirit. As far , as I am concerned, Jesus gave me himself to live in me. I don't know what you call it or believe in it, but as far as I am concerned, that is the same as being baptized by the Holy Spirit!....the results is the same.....Christ in me!
 
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I agree with Fragrant Grace, not that I have to. This is the OP. "Now, can only those who have been baptised in the spirit speak in tongues? i ask becuase i have no recollection of being baptised in the spirit" Can we stick to the question?

Being baptized in the Holy Spirit is much like Salvation. It has to be a conscious request of the Lord with a specific need in mind. That need would be to serve Christ Jesus with all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, not just with one. Tongues were a sign in the first century churches. After Corinth, all the gifts were introduced.
 

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