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Abortion is always wrong

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Women have abortions for many reasons. They include: unwed or teenage pregnancies, pregnancies due to rape or incest, fetal deformities and inconvenience. Abortion is the worst type of violence and an extreme act of terrorism; because, it terrorizes and kills, innocent and helpless human beings. It is also the worst crime a human being can commit, because, in this act a mother, who is supposed to protect and nurture her baby, gets her own innocent baby killed. It therefore, brings perpetual unrest to the people who have it and the society that permits it. Some people justify abortion, because, they feel that a fetus is not a human being. However, irrespective of the different arguments people have, for or against, to prove that fetuses or human embryos are human beings; no one can deny the fact that abortion is destruction of a genetically distinct human life. In addition, since a large number of people feel that a fetus or an embryo is a human being, it is our duty to protect them (even if we do not consider them as human beings), because, if others are correct, then, destroying a fetus or embryo is murder. If a group of people went hunting, and half of them see an animal in the distant and want to shoot it, but the other half think it is a human being, the benefit of the doubt has to be in favor of it being a human being. The same logic also applies to abortion. Some people realize that abortion is wrong; however, they do not want to force their belief on others. However, protecting the life of innocent human beings is our civic duty, and has nothing to do with our belief. We have laws against murder, although it is a religious belief that murder is wrong. In this case we don’t say that we are imposing our belief on others. Others argue that a woman has a right to choose to not have a baby. However, when a woman becomes pregnant, she already has the baby; therefore, the question about her right with respect to that pregnancy is not an issue. Some people justify abortion, because, the mother's health or life is in danger. However, since every human life is equally precious, one cannot take the life of one human being to save another. Therefore, every effort has to be made to treat both human beings with the best available methods. Still others feel that women should have the right to their own bodies. However, a fetus is not part of its mother’s body, because, it is a distinct living human entity with its own unique genetic make up that is different from the mother’s. We do not have right to kill our children who live in the privacy of our house. Similarly, the mother does not have a right to kill her baby that lives in the privacy of her body. Still others argue that, by legalizing abortion, abortion is made safe for the mother. We, however, do not legalize other violent crimes in order prevent injury to the criminal or innocent bystanders.
 
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Very true and sad that people have such ill views of excusing themselves for abortion. GOD will hande each and everyone one of these people on judgment day, and "abort" them for sure.
 
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Well said

You summed up my convictions very well. Every life is a precious, miraculous gift from God. We must pray that God will intervene in this matter.
 
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Very, very sad. :crying:

It's no good trying to fix the symptoms in our society, (abortion, rape, murder, adultery, homosexuality, etc...) while the problem goes untended. The problem is that these people don't know Jesus.

It's no good condemning people for doing the best they can when they don't know any better... when they don't know Jesus.

Who was it who once said, "But for the Grace of God, there go I" ???
 
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I agree sister Rahni. Without Jesus, there is no true wisdom or knowledge of Heaven.

1 Corinthians 1:30
It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.

James 3:17
But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
 
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:love: :girl: :thumbs_up

I agree with the last two posts without Jesus you cannot have that guiding hand. I myself had a abortion many, many years ago when I was not a christian. I did not
stop to think it was wrong, I was in voilent relationship and I already had a very young baby, I thought I doing the right thing at the time. It was only when I came to the Lord that he showed me it was wrong. It is not our place to judge, we should pray that peoples hearts be changed.

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marieg said:
:love: :girl: :thumbs_up

I agree with the last two posts without Jesus you cannot have that guiding hand. I myself had a abortion many, many years ago when I was not a christian. I did not
stop to think it was wrong, I was in voilent relationship and I already had a very young baby, I thought I doing the right thing at the time. It was only when I came to the Lord that he showed me it was wrong. It is not our place to judge, we should pray that peoples hearts be changed.

marieg :girl_hug:
i agree marieg.. ithink we shoild remember the old adage
hate the sin, love the sinner
, cos God remembers it when He thinks about us!
 
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Rahni said:
It's no good trying to fix the symptoms in our society, (abortion, rape, murder, adultery, homosexuality, etc...) while the problem goes untended. The problem is that these people don't know Jesus.
I agree.
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Does God care?

What does God say about abortion? Do the millions of abortions that have taken place in this land bother Him? Is a fetus a "real person" in the eyes of God? If so, where does that leave us? If an unborn life is truly just a mere mass of fetal tissue to God, we should want to know. If He considers the life of the woman more important than her unborn child, we should want to know. And if He does consider that unborn life a "real person", and just as important as the life of the mother that bears it, we most certainly should want to know. After all, we are all accountable to God not only for our individual lives, but also as a generation and a nation.

Thou Shalt Not Kill

Throughout the Bible God has plenty to say about the taking of an innocent life. Most people in our nation, though they may not be familiar with all of the Ten Commandments, know that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is listed there somewhere. The word "kill" in this instance, specifically refers to "murder"--a premeditated and deliberate act of taking someone's life. It is different than other forms of taking a life, which could be accidental, or in self-defense. God has different laws regarding different sorts of death. But He continually opposes and speaks against murder, especially murder of the innocent.

Do not pollute the land where you are. Bloodshed pollutes the land and atonement cannot be made for the land on which the blood has been shed, except by the blood of the one who shed it. Do not defile the land where you live. Numbers 35:33-34

God's judgement against the killing of an innocent life grows out of His love for humankind. The crime of murder is not only an offense against the sanctity of life, it is a pollutant upon the very land we live. God wants to spare us of the variety of ways this pollution is manifested. When the land becomes defiled with sin, people cry out "where is God?" yet they refuse to take responsibility for breaking His laws which were only given to us for our protection and good. Each sin that we commit is not merely an isolated incident, but will set off a chain reaction of other sins if not dealt with. Since the legalization of abortion for instance, child abuse has increased over 1000%. This is the exact opposite of what those who legalized abortion thought it would do since it was assumed that only children who were initially unwanted were abused.

In Psalm 106 God speaks specifically against killing innocent children and babies. He says of His people: They mingled with the nations and adopted their customs. They worshipped their idols which became a snare to them. They sacrificed their sons and their daughter to demons. They shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan and the land was desecrated by their blood.

Today we may scoff, or wonder in disbelief how anyone, especially someone who claimed to follow God, could sacrifice their child to an idol or a demon. Yet, an idol is anything that we worship before God. Today, children are sacrificed to the idols of selfishness, convenience, "freedom," and ambition--sacrificed to the very demonic powers that are behind such idols. Times really haven't changed that much. Human nature hasn't changed, nor has Satan's schemes against that which God considered so precious that He died to redeem it--human life.

When does life begin?


One may argue here that they agree that it is wrong to murder, but they still don't see how a fetus necessarily qualifies as a human being. Perhaps God doesn't feel the same way about a very young fetus, as He does an older fetus, a newborn, or a 50-year-old. It may be a different issue altogether with Him. Does the Bible say anything specifically about unborn children?

In Exodus 21:22 God gives a specific law regarding social order for the Israelites. He stated that if two men were fighting and hit a pregnant woman, thus causing her to give birth prematurely, they must be fined according to any damage done to the baby. The fine must be paid in relation to the amount of damage inflicted upon the child. If God would make a law specifically referring to the rights of the unborn, then surely the unborn must mean something to Him!

It has been stated If the womb had windows, there would be no abortion. As humans, we are not omnipresent and cannot know the full scope of what each human life is worth. We cannot dwell in the womb with a fetus, nor can we see it as it matures. But God can.

A Scientific View

Just 18 days after conception, the baby's heart begins to beat. At six weeks, brain waves can be measured. At eight weeks the vital organs are functioning and fingerprints have formed. At nine weeks, the unborn baby is able to feel pain. Over 700,000 abortions each year are performed after this point in the pregnancy. By the beginning of the second month, the unborn child, small as it is, has begun to look distinctly human, though the mother may not even be aware that she is pregnant! By the time the baby is eleven weeks old, he or she breaths (fluid), swallows, digests, sleeps, dreams, wakes, tastes, hears, and feels pain. Babies born prematurely can survive outside the womb as young as 20-25 weeks old. Yet, all that is necessary to make the baby a grown human being is already there from the moment of conception. All it needs is time to mature.

Former Surgeon General, Dr. C. Everett Koop stated "We now know when life begins because the test-tube baby proves that life begins with conception. What do you have in the dish? An egg and a *****. What do you add to it to get a baby? Nothing." Though it is wee, it is still a real person, just as a crumb of bread is still real bread. No one who has been given the gift of life should dare despise the day of small beginnings. Have we forgotten so quickly that we were once as small?

"In the tiny, almost invisible thirty two cell blastocyst--in that one gram or so of tissue--there is a physical potential and moral destiny unparalleled in our universe. Next to it, a gram of plutonium is a triviality: plutonium cannot compose a symphony, cannot cure cancer, cannot plan our course to the stars". -Bernard Nathanson, M.D. and former abortionist-

A Spiritual View

God said to the prophet Jeremiah, Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. Before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. Jeremiah 1:5 God knew this man before he was born. As he was forming in his mother's womb God gave him his personality, talents, and temperament. If his mother had gotten an abortion, the "fetal tissue" she aborted would have been a real person named Jeremiah; a mighty prophet of God and the gift of God's voice to the nations, though she would never have known.

The Lord hath called me from the womb: from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. Isaiah 49:1 KJV

Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us within our mothers? Job 31:15

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Psalm 139:13-14

The above verses are only a sampling of the many Biblical references we find to life inside the mother's womb. From them, it is clear that life begins when God creates it, not at some later point in time when it has grown to look like a newborn. God does not judge things according to their stage of development the way humans tend to. According to the above passages, even the tiniest embryo is the subject of His love and care. God sees each of our lives in the realm of our total existence, whether we are yet unborn, a young woman in the prime of her life, or an old man on his deathbed. He is patient with all of us, longing to bring each one of us into His maturity.

Do we look like God?

To wantonly destroy innocent human life is a crime against God, and a rejection of the truth that we were made in His image. Everything in the universe belongs to Him anyway. The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it, the world and ALL who live in it. Psalm 24:1 Our own lives are a precious gift given to us, but ultimately we belong to God! We are His possessions; we have merely been granted stewardship over our lives, talents, money, time, the earth we live on and the things we "own." Though children pass through us they are not ours, anymore that we are property of our parents. Each of us has been given the gift of life and freedom, for which we are responsible and accountable to God. None of us has the right to deny that same gift to an unborn person. It is an honor to carry that powerful force of another life within our very bodies-- a life made in the very image of God! (Genesis 5:1-2)

God is no respecter of persons. If He knew Jeremiah in the womb, He knew you too. Do you believe that God lovingly fashioned you and loves you dearly? Do you believe that He has had a plan for your life from the beginning of time? A plan that none other can fulfill in quite the same way you can? That you came to this earth "trailing clouds of glory?" Or do you believe in your heart that you were a mere "accident" and that God has no personal concern for you or your life? Is it easier to believe that you are just a highly evolved animal? An animal (especially an undeveloped one) may certainly be easier to dispose of. It seems somehow even "natural," as the laws of nature lend themselves to the survival of the strong and the equipped. Yet it seems doubtful that even an animal would come up with a way to deliberately kill it's unborn offspring.
 
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We Are All Sinners

WE ARE ALL SINNERS. Nobody should be judging anyone else, it is not our place. God is the supreme judge. WHATEVER a person's crime, it is our place to try to forgive and to encourage that person to become Christian and repent. That is not done with hatred but love. I did many things in my life that were very wrong before I became a Christian but God did not give up on me. He punished me severely for what I had done, I felt his wrath and have the scars to prove it.

Without my suffering I would not be saved. Let me stress that it was not suffering inflicted upon me by any human, or anyone claiming to be representing the Lord. The things the Lord did were beyond the powers of anyone on earth and I am grateful to him, for my experiences have guided me onto the path and toward the light. The Lord is my salvation.

'In those days, when you were slaves of sin, you weren't concerned with doing what was right. And what was the result? It was not good, since now you are ashamed of the things you used to do, things that end in eternal doom. But now you are free from the power of sin and have become slaves of God. Now you do those things that lead to holiness and result in eternal Life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus our Lord.' Romans:20-23
 
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Of course, forgiveness is paramount if christianity is ever going to become effective for a person and indeed for life in general to be effective. I didnt mean to sound harsh or offend with that barrage of information, I was trying to be as clear cut as possible. Iv seen so many arguments ineffectively cover this area so I wanted to be as precise as possible. So if you have had an abortion, Im not scathing you! I like everyone else is here for you no matter what (unless you like marmite...there be some seriously cringe worthy folk who do, lol).
 
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She did it because the serpent tricked her

Actually I do like Marmite (so deal with it lol)! All who are Christian here know our Saviour is the way, the truth and the light already. It goes without saying I respect and agree with the principles of all the posts of all my brothers and sisters here.

My comments are not directed at you personally. There are many women out there who may potentially think they have been damned for eternity because they have committed this sin. Yes, if you were wondering, I will be honest, like a lot of women I did have an abortion before I became a Christian (I can't and won't justify it). I am however, like everyone here, motivated to reach out to those vulnerable women in whatever way I can.

I know women who are on anti-depressants and torture themselves with guilt every night because of having an abortion. One of those women had immense pressure on her from her family and boyfriend to abort her baby when she was 16 years old even though she wanted to keep it. Her parents even threw her out and told her she couldn't come back until she had dealt with the 'problem'. Her boyfriend finished with her and told her he wouldn't take her back if she continued with the pregnancy.

I had GoldenGirl when I was only 18, at the time that same women (girl) came to me in tears saying, MY partner had told her boyfriend he was worried about becoming a father so young 21. From this her boyfriend had forced her to come to me to try to change my mind about having GoldenGirl.

She told me the truth, she told me her boyfriend was poisoning my partners mind and they were colluding to persuade me to have an abortion. She told me don't listen to them, they aren't women they don't understand what it is to have a life inside them.

She said "I am a wreck because I was pressured into having an abortion", (her baby was at the maximum age). She told me the gory details of what the doctors did to her and her baby (too gruesome to mention). I believed her sincerity because I knew she had been there.

I thanked her for telling me the truth. I was furious though, I stormed out of there and walked off into the night. My partner caught up with me outside my house he asked me why I had left. I told him what she had said and a few other choice words. He cried and said "I was just panicking, I am so sorry, I will stick with you no matter what you decide to do". He told me that he loved me and didn't ever want to lose me.

If it wasn't for the honesty of that girl on that night (who knew my vulnerability and my partners), I may not only have lost my husband in a traffic accident but also his child through abortion. I now thank the Lord for my precious daughter, my GoldenGirl (who gave me a reason for living) and I also thank the Lord for sending me my son and my second husband, who I love dearly.

I leave this post with a warning the those vulnerable ones to BEWARE as (like in the book of Genesis there is always a serpent ready to misguide you. This route leads only to misery. Please, please whatever your beliefs heed this warning: The Baby IS truly innocent and deserves a chance, do not be swayed from this truth.
 
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Actually the bible says the sin that is not forgivable is grieving the spirit. See we look at it and say abortion is the unforgiven but that is not scripture and yes it is a sin and yes it is extreme sin but Jesus blood was sufficient to cover that. If you saying it is not forgivable then His blood isn't enough and a person who did it will not be forgiven. That is contrary with the word of God.

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I am a rape victim, and ended up pregnant, I couldnt have an abortion and was offered one too, but I felt this wasnt a option so cutting a long story short 9 mths later I had my baby boy. He is 5 now and what a shear blessing he is, he is such a happy child. Personally I am against abortion but its not down to me to judge others.
 
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Thank you for sharing your story. It is amazing how little ones arrive in this world and have a tendency of bringing love and sunshine with them. God gave us the ability to make our own choices whether for right or wrong. The important thing is we do the best we can and try to make the right choices at the time.

It is very easy for people who have not been in the same life situation/circumstance to say what they and others would or should do. Many of us do not know how we would react in a situation until we actually have to face it. We just have to try the best we can to do God's will and hope that will be enough.
 
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Hi arunangelo

Yes I agree abortion is always wrong. It is always for a selfish motive that it is done and is not thinking of the child. If they want to keep it , then it is a baby but if they dont they call it a fetus! How ridiculous. Does anyone ever say they are pregnant with a fetus? No!! They say they are pregnant with a baby. Many times it is not true when they want the doctor to report the "reason is the mother's life is in danger ". But if it were true they had to choose one life or the other, why not say "I have already had my chance to live, but now I choose to give this child a chance for a life."


Proverbs 6: 16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

 
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I would like to make myself clear that I am very much against abortion and I feel the vast majority of people's reasons for abortion are not justified. However, sometimes God intends for babies to be aborted, sometimes because of complications or abnormalities with the developing pregnancy/embryo/fetus/baby, we refer to it as miscarriage. It is important to remember that sometimes our bodies become damaged and do not perform natural functions as they should.

God gave doctors the skills to save lives (that includes the mother's life). I believe that doctors should be allowed to abort if there is no chance of the baby surviving and continuing the pregnancy will only serve to seriously endanger the mother's life. I believe many pro-life organisations accept this point and do not refer to this and other types of medical treatment eg laperoscopy (surgery to take away baby and part of fallopian tube) as abortion. The medical part of this issue must be made clear because on this ectopic point alone, on average 5 women die in the uk every year because of ectopic pregnancies. It is our job as Christians to help people through their grief and come to terms with their loss. The good news is many women who's lives are saved go on to have more children without complication.

I and I am sure many of you also do not believe that a God who loves all his children would want any of his children to come to harm or to sacrifice themselves needlessly. Let us also not forget that these women may have families of their own, husbands, brothers, sisters and children. Could you honestly say that it is the Christian thing to do, to allow, their wife, sister, mother, daughter to die? I wouldn't want to put a family through that kind of greif and pain and I'm sure my brothers and sisters wouldn't either?

I would also like to bring to the forefront that the morning after pill is abortive and not accepted by many pro-life organisations. Society has been severely mislead in this respect with many women unwittingly thinking that they can use the morning after pill as a means of contraception. We cannot do anything about our pasts but we can change our futures.

I also have a question regarding sterilization. Does the bible allow this or not? I cannot ever have a baby again due to pre-eclampsia and an operation I have had on my stomach (abdominoplasty to remove scars but ended up with other scars long story). It scares me that no contraception is 100% reliable. What do Christian's believe regarding sterilization? As I am considering this procedure.

God bless you and keep you all safe from harm.
 
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Abortion is one of the Western world's biggest crimes, i belive. www.equip.org have some of the best commentaries on this subjects. I GRIEVE AND CRY FOR ALL THESE ABORTED HUMANS
 
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thats soooooooooo ture...
and its sad that women choose to "kill" their ´babys...i mean if they dont want the
baby...then there are other ways..!!!

god bless
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I found this fascinating

I agree with all of you. However, one must consider the bright side to abortion and that is that the souls of the babies are with the Lord and do not have to endure the garbage that we have to here on earth.

Also, I had heard someone prophesy that the souls of all those aborted babies are going to be placed into babies again and given to Christian Mothers and when tehy grow up, they will get saved and do mighty things for God. :thumbs_up
 

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