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A Message from the Grave

Eric E Stahl

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Luke 16:19-31
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.



Your unsaved, non believing non God fearing dead loved ones don't want you to come to hell.
Hell is real.

God wants you to come to heaven so much he sent his son to die for you!

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
 
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The only difference between antinomianism and universalism, is that antimonianists profess to believe in Jesus.

Demons believe in Jesus. (Mark 1:24; Luke 4:34; )
Obviously Satan knows who Jesus is. (Matt 4:3-11; )

Just professing to know someone named Jesus isn't all there is to it.
Mormons profess to know Jesus
Jehovah's Witnesses profess to know Jesus
Some Unitarians profess to know Jesus

Matt 7:20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
Matt 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Your faith isn't what you say, your faith is what you do.
 
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At least the Mormons believe in morality (that won't save them)

What was the sin of David? That he committed adultery with Bathsheba? Yes, but what was the sin God punished him for?
2 Sam 12:14 "However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born to you shall surely die."

What did Paul say the sin of the Jews was?
Jas 2:7 Do the Gentiles and sinners not blaspheme the fair name by which you have been called?
Jas 2:8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well.
Jas 2:9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

The only difference between an antimonianists and an atheist is the antimonianists professes to know Jesus.
Other than that, they live exactly as an atheist.

Matt 5:13 "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.
Matt 5:16 "Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

If you aren't living any differently from sinners, why call yourself a Christian? Why cause others to blaspheme his name?
 
BAC,

Who are these antinomians? (I assume it's antinomian, not antimonian, because I can't find anything about the latter :bot: )
What are the difference between these and immature (or non-growing) Christians who are still occupied with self?
 
ho are these antinomians? (I assume it's antinomian, not antimonian, because I can't find anything about the latter )
What are the difference between these and immature (or non-growing) Christians who are still occupied with self?

They believe we aren't saved by following the law, so they have that part right.
But they take this further and say Christians have no obligation at all to live righteously, we shouldn't live any different from non-believers.
We shouldn't love our brothers and sisters, (or at least it doesn't matter whether we do or not) and shouldn't try at all to live morally.

Many Christians believe that when they are sin, they are forgive.
Antimonianism takes further and says it isn't even sin. Christians can't sin even if they wanted to.
 
They believe we aren't saved by following the law, so they have that part right.
But they take this further and say Christians have no obligation at all to live righteously, we shouldn't live any different from non-believers.
We shouldn't love our brothers and sisters, (or at least it doesn't matter whether we do or not) and shouldn't try at all to live morally.

Many Christians believe that when they are sin, they are forgive.
Antimonianism takes further and says it isn't even sin. Christians can't sin even if they wanted to.

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Romans 7:19-20


19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 4:6-8

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
 
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6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Well I have yet to see any verses that say this applies without asking for forgiveness.

But if you guys are right, then what the heck, we might as well, lie, steal, cheat, fornicate, curse.
God doesn't care according to you.

Matt 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Gal 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1 Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

1 Jn 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Matt 19:17 And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."

1 Jn 2:3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 Jn 2:4 The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

1 Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1 Cor 6:10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

If we confess our sins he will wash us, it doesn't say he will wash us if we don't. You can't be sanctified of something you keep practicing and don't repent of.

Interestingly, the verse you quoted above doesn't say it isn't sin. It says the sin is forgiven.
Rom 4:8 "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT."
 
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Without repentance and confession, there is no forgiveness.

Matt 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matt 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

If you don't repent, you will die.
If your Christian brother doesn't repent, you don't have to forgive him.

Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.
Luke 17:4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to you, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Without repentance, your sin remains.

Acts 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent:
Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works in order for repentance.
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Jas 5:15 and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.
1 Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Matt 6:12 And forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us.
Matt 6:14 For if you forgive men their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Matt 6:15 But if you don't forgive men their sins, neither will your Father forgive you of your sins.

Luke 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

2 Pet 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2 Pet 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them and back to their sin
2 Pet 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is returned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed returned back to her wallowing in the mire.

Luke 15:7 "I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.
Luke 15:10 "In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents."

Matt 3:8 "Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance;
Matt 3:11 "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mark 1:4 John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Luke 3:3 And he came into all the district around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins;

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
 
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