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A Few Words about Grace

Discussion in 'Sermons' started by NetChaplain, Jul 5, 2018.

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  1. The Nature of Grace

    1. Grace is the Father acting freely, according to His own nature as Love; with no promises or obligations to fulfill; and acting, of course, righteously—in view of the Cross.

    2. Grace, therefore, is uncaused in the recipient: its cause lies wholly in the Giver, in the Father.

    3. Grace is also sovereign. Not having debts to pay, or fulfilled conditions on man’s part to wait for, it can act toward whom, and how, it pleases. It can, and does often, place the worst deservers in the highest favors.

    4. Grace cannot act where there is either desert (permanent departure—NC) or ability: Grace does not help—it is absolute, it does it all.

    5. There being no cause in the creature why Grace should be shown, the creature must be brought off from trying to give cause to God for His grace.

    6. The discovery by the creature that he is truly the object of Divine grace, works the utmost humility: for the receiver of grace is brought to know his own absolute unworthiness, and his complete inability to attain worthiness: yet he finds himself blessed—on another principle, outside himself!

    7. Therefore, flesh (the sin nature—NC) has no place in the plan of Grace. This is the great reason why Grace is hated by the proud natural mind of man. But for this very reason the true believer rejoices! For he knows that “in him, that is his flesh, is no good thing”; and yet he finds the Father glad to bless him, just as he is (then makes him as He desires—NC)!

    The Place of Man Under Grace

    1. He has been accepted in Christ, who is his standing.

    2. He is not on probation.

    3. As to his life past, it does not exist before the Father: he died in Christ on the Cross, and now Christ is his Life.

    4. Grace, once bestowed, is not withdrawn: for the Father knew all the human exigencies beforehand—His action was independent of them, not dependent upon them.

    5. The failure of devotion does not cause the withdrawal of bestowed grace, as it would under law. For example, the man in 1 Corinthians 5:1-5, and also those in 11:30-32, who did not “judge” themselves and so were “judged by the Lord—that they might not be condemned with the world.

    The Proper Attitude of a Man Under Grace

    1. To believe, and to consent to be loved while unworthy, is the great secret.

    2. To refuse to make resolutions and vows; for that is to trust in the flesh (we trust in what God does and has done, and not in what we have done or do. Our source is always to be derived from His “work” - Phil 2:13, not from ours. Our work derives from desire to please Him and nothing more—NC).

    3. To expect to be blessed, though realizing more and more lack of worth.

    4. To testify of the Father’s goodness at all times.

    5. To be certain of the Father’s future favor; yet to be ever more tender in conscience toward Him.

    6. To rely on the Father’s chastening (child-training) hand as a mark of His kindness.

    7. A man under Grace, if like Paul, has no burdens regarding himself, but many about others.

    Things Which Gracious Souls Discover

    1. To hope to be better is to fail to see yourself in Christ only.

    2. To be disappointed with yourself is to have believed in yourself.

    3. To be discouraged is unbelief—as to the Father’s purpose and plan of blessing for you.

    4. To be proud is to be blind! For we have no standing before God in ourselves.

    5. The lack of Divine blessing, therefore, comes from unbelief, and not from failure of devotion.

    6. Real devotion to the Father arises, not from man’s will to show it, but from the discovery that blessing has been received from Him while we were yet unworthy and not devoted.

    7. To preach devotion first and blessing second, is to reverse God’s order and preach law, not grace. The Law made man’s blessing depend on devotion; Grace confers undeserved, unconditional blessing: our devotion will follow, but does not always do so in proper measure.

    - Wm R Newell (1868-1956 - from his book Verse by Verse, Romans, end of chapter 6)

    Excerpt from MJS devotional for July 5:

    “I do not see the Cross truly if I only see it as opening a way of escape for me, and yet allowing that in me to escape which has incurred the judgment of the Cross.

    “In the present day (1867) the truth is lowered to the measure of man’s need; hence if the need is met, which grace does, the convert makes little or no advance; he rests in the satisfaction of his need, instead of being directed to the scope of God’s thought, which only begins with his need.”

    - J B Stoney
    None But The Hungry Heart
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  2. Greetings

    thank you for sharing this NC

    That ye may be the children of your Father Which is in heaven: for He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Matthew 5:45

    ḥesed חֶסֶד

    Bless you ....><>
  3. Thank you too for your reply Brother!
  4. Only one scripture anywhere in the OP. Usually there are at least a few half scriptures. :)

    Obviously whoever wrote this believes in predeterminism. God picks who He wants to save
    and those He doesn't want to save and there's nothing any of us can do about it.
    So why even bother to pray for anyone's salvation?

    The entire OP is a smoothly worded icing covered message from Satan.
    Don't worry about anything. You don't have to do anything. You don't have to obey God.
    You don't have to live righteously. God's got your back no matter what you do.

    We can't do anything to initially get saved.. it's true. Grace comes in.
    But after we are saved, there is a lot that is required.

    1 Jn 2:4; The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

    "You're not on probation"... oh but we are.

    Php 2:12; So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;

    Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
  5. #5 Br. Bear, Jul 7, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2018
    Greetings once more,

    Have you never yet learned the lesson that the Holy Ghost works with mighty power while on the human side everything appears feeble? Look at the Lord Jesus Christ in Gethsemane. We read that He, "through the Eternal Spirit," offered Himself a sacrifice unto God. The Almighty Spirit of God was enabling Him to do it. And yet what agony and fear and exceeding sorrow came over Him, and how He prayed! Externally you can see no sign of the mighty power of the Spirit, but the Spirit of God was there. And even so, while you are feeble and fighting and trembling, in faith in the hidden work of God's Spirit do not fear, but yield yourself.

    And when you do yield yourself in absolute surrender, let it be in the faith that God does now accept of it. That is the great point, and that is what we so often miss:—that believers should be thus occupied with God in this matter of surrender. I pray you, be occupied with God. We want to get help, every one of us, so that in our daily life God shall be clearer to us, God shall have the right place, and be "all in all." And if we are to have that through life, let us begin now and look away from ourselves, and look up to God. Let each believe,—while I, a poor worm on earth and a trembling child of God, full of failure and sin and fear, bow here, and no one knows what passes through my heart, and while I in simplicity say, O God, I accept Thy terms; I have pleaded for blessing on myself and others, I have accepted Thy terms of absolute surrender—while your heart says that in deep silence, remember there is a God present that takes note of it, and writes it down in His book, and there is a God present who at that very moment takes possession of you. You may not feel it, you may not realize it, but God takes possession if you will trust Him.


    That is the great difficulty with many. People say: "I have often been stirred at a meeting, or at a convention, and I have consecrated myself to God, but it has passed away. I know it may last for a week or for a month, but away it fades, and after a time it is all gone."

    But listen! It is because you do not believe what I am now going to tell you and remind you of. When God has begun the work of absolute surrender in you, and when God has accepted your surrender, then God holds Himself bound to care for it and to keep it. Will you believe that?

    In this matter of surrender there are two, God and I—I a worm, God the everlasting and omnipotent Jehovah. Worm, will you be afraid to trust yourself to this mighty God now? God is willing. Do you not believe that He can keep you continually, day by day, and moment by moment?

    Moment by moment I'm kept in His love;
    Moment by moment I've life from above.

    If God allows the sun to shine upon you moment by moment, without intermission, will not God let His life shine upon you every moment? And why have you not experienced it? Because you have not trusted God for it, and you do not surrender yourself absolutely to God in that trust.

    A life of absolute surrender has its difficulties. I do not deny that. Yea, it has something far more than difficulties; it is a life that with men is absolutely impossible. But by the grace of God, by the power of God, by the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us, it is a life to which we are destined, and a life that is possible for us, praise God! Let us believe that God will maintain it.

    Andrew Murray ; Absolute Surrender

    Bless you ...><>
  6. This is an interesting statement. " life that with men is absolutely impossible".
    There has been a lot of talk about fruit lately in other threads, I "assume" you mean bearing this fruit
    without God is impossible. And yet non-Christians show some of this fruit to each other. Fruit alone
    isn't a sure sign.

    I would also take ...

    Yielding yourself in absolute surrender takes effort on our part as well. Otherwise it wouldn't be yielding "yourself".
  7. Greetings,

    perhaps it is in ceasing from one's own efforts? Yes, it can be a battle to let go, but letting go is not really hard work, is it?

    Try it. Pick up your cell phone... hold it above your head and let go.

    the struggle is surely there but when you do let go, it takes nothing to keep holding any longer.

    Difference is that the Lord has His hands there to catch us, to take us up, to carry us.. a bit like when He took up His cross, for you and me.

    Bless you ....><>
  8. Murray has quite a few articles that I share and is in my opinion listed among those prolific authors within the spiritual growth category!

    My understanding of “yield” is the willful allowing or something to have complete activity without resistance or opposition from our new self. With God, it’s never our desire to oppose Him due to His “work” (Phi 2:13) in us, and this is yielding to Him. Yielding to sin is willfully allowing it to have its compete activity without opposition, which is manifest in those not reborn. Hence the promise to the believer that God will ensure that “sin shall not have dominion over you” (Rom 6:14).

    Thus, when Romans 6:12 writes, “Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof,” it does not address its presence and work, but that we always oppose them. This doesn’t mean one can eventually learn to oppose all of its works unto not sinning, but that we ever refuse to desire it and allow it to have its way without our opposition to it. Neither ours nor the Spirit’s opposition (Gal 5:17) provides being sinless, but keeps us ever in desire against it.

    Blessings and appreciate your instructional reply!
  9. Though our understanding differs here, I see that the only need for faith and salvation is "desire," and if it's genuine, God will know, and as William Newell stated in the article--"the Father knew all the human exigencies beforehand," which nullifies anything we will to do after rebirth concerning our manifesting His desires in our lives.

    "The Father knew all the human exigencies beforehand." Wm R Newell. The desires of the saved will manifest to others the doing of His "good pleasure." Those those who do not manifest obedience to His Word show they are not reborn, because those reborn cannot desire otherwise (Phil 2:13).

    Thanks for your reply and comments!

  10. Greetings NC,

    from the little I know, this term, 'let' is best understood as one might expect a judge to pass sentence.

    It is as a court decision.
    It is not simply a lame attempt to hope it all goes that way. What would that benefit?

    so, to let something or not is to pass that legal decision which stands fast in any jurisdiction, any land it is passed or decreed.
    So... we must realise our country or place of abode, is the LORD's, not our own.

    When we get out of the foolish idea that we have some sort of ownership, we can realise that the decision , the court decision, to let or not let, is completely yielding to one or another.

    i like my new Master... His steadfast Love endures forever, and is new every morning.

    Bless you ....><>
  11. 'Waiting on God' and 'Humility' are good reads. Took me months to go through Waiting. A challenge and a rewarding one at that.
    I had already been in that school and it took me a few years to stop wriggling! Then I came across the book he had written and I realised i had only touched the surface.
    We sometimes don't realise how much a theme like waiting is throughout the Bible and then some. Murray put forth a good consideration and reminder.

    Same for 'Humility'. It is a way that you cease carrying a load, yet we resist it so much, preferring to be champions of our own salvation and works.

    The Lord put forth blessings in these things yet we can believe that it is hard and too big a thing for us... maybe it is OK for others but for us??? The thinking of the world needs to go.

    ḥesed חֶסֶד

    Bless you ....><>

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