8-Year-Old Confessed To Murdering 2 Men

[rizen1]

8-Year-Old Confessed To Murdering 2 Men

Isn't that sad.

To think an 8yr old could be charged with murder.

Who is to blame ?
Should he be charged as an adult ?
Where did he learn this from ?

He killed his own father and another man, with his fathers gun.

And yet the church is so relax when it comes to gun control. There was so many other issues for us to voice our opinions on beside abortion. Kids are killed by guns also.

What are your thoughts on this ?

 

[Sky]

Here in the U.K. guns are not permitted to be owned by the public. Personally I could not own a gun or see a reason to have one.

 

[Giggles4God]

A good question to ask is WHY was the gun loaded?

Having a loaded gun OR an unloaded gun are two different things.

The gun should have been locked up, unloaded with the bullets, etc locked in a separate place. The boy shouldn't have known where they were located.

Also, where is the rest of the story?? How did this boy abtain the gun?

 

[bruren777]

8 year old murderer?

Did the 8 year old boy actually commit murder? Murder is defined as a crime of unlawfully killing a person with malice and forethought.

Is an 8 year old child really capable of murder.? I find it hard to beleive that an 8 year old can commit murder. It's possible that he saw something like that on tv, he did not understand the ramifications of the act.

A responsible adult would have had the gun secured, away from children.
The gun should not have been loaded, if it was loaded, more than likely it was, and the ammunition secured as well.

I don't beleive in gun control, gun owners need to know how to handle their guns. Obviously there was lack of knowledge and common sense, if there was knowledge and common sense in the home the tragedy would not have happened.

"When guns are outlawed...only outlaws will have guns"

 

[rizen1]

Did the 8 year old boy actually commit murder? Murder is defined as a crime of unlawfully killing a person with malice and forethought.

Is an 8 year old child really capable of murder.? I find it hard to beleive that an 8 year old can commit murder. It's possible that he saw something like that on tv, he did not understand the ramifications of the act.

A responsible adult would have had the gun secured, away from children.
The gun should not have been loaded, if it was loaded, more than likely it was, and the ammunition secured as well.

I don't beleive in gun control, gun owners need to know how to handle their guns. Obviously there was lack of knowledge and common sense, if there was knowledge and common sense in the home the tragedy would not have happened.

"When guns are outlawed...only outlaws will have guns"

Well without getting technical about it, by law he is being looked at as murderer. Age has no respect of persons. Children get locked up all the time charged as adults. Its unfair, I think the parents should get locked up also.

How about the other little boy who accidently killed himself over the Halloween season.

He was posing for a picture, shotgun in hand aim at a pumpkin. The poor child shot himself in the head and died.

Loaded gun or not, when guns are glorified there is a price to be paid.

If we care about abortion, we should be anti-guns also. If God is our protector there is no need for guns. If you want to go hunting the law should be you have to rent one. A background check is mandate, to many mental folks own guns.

In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)


American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)

5285...:shock:


Between 1994 and 1999, there were 220 school associated violent events resulting in 253 deaths - - 74.5% of these involved firearms. Handguns caused almost 60% of these deaths. (Journal of American Medical Association, December 2001)

In 1998-99 academic year, 3,523 students were expelled for bringing a firearm to school. This is a decrease from the 5,724 students expelled in 1996-97 for bringing a firearm to school. (U.S. Department of Education, October 2000)

Nearly 8% of adolescents in urban junior and senior high schools miss at least one day of school each month because they are afraid to attend. (National Mental Health & Education Center for Children & Families, National Association of School Psychologists 1998)

The National School Boards Association estimates that more than 135,000 guns are brought into U.S. schools each day. (NSBA, 1993)

Children and Gun Violence

America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

Thats a high number, close to the abortion toll.

In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)
The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

America and Gun Violence

Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)
The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

It's good to look out for the babies, but the current living generation is in danger also.

The church had their chance to make thier voice heard, but I guess finding the anti-christ was more important than the lives our kids.

 

[sullivandianna]

Children & Guns

I can see one of these 2 things happening. 1).bruren777 is right & the boy saw something on t.v. & had no knowledge of guns . or 2).He was in a very violent home,and saw people fighting and/or shooting all the time. There r so many children raised in violent homes.After a while in a child's mind, he or she can , I believe, began thinking of nothing but survival 4 themselves. The dad no doubt wasn't putting away his gun or guns in a proper place. So, he no doubt was very violent, or afraid someone was going to hurt him so he left it out to defend himself. Or, the dad was abusing his child.And, the child did the only thing in his mind,he could do, defend himself. Sis. Di

 

[benfaust]

"Thats a high number, close to the abortion toll."

Actually, that number killed by guns between 1979 and 2001 is about 4,091 per year. Over 3,000 babies per day are murdered via abortion (over 1,095,000 per year). Saying that's close to the abortion toll is not just misleading, it's completely false.

Over 42,000 people die every year in automobile accidents, which is a far greater statistic than those killed accidentally by guns. 3,490 of those killed in car accidents are between 15 and 20 years old. Should we start fighting against automobiles?

The fact is that crime is lower where guns are legal, since criminals ignore the law anyway. Guns owned by law-abiding citizens is not only clearly protected in our constitution (making gun bans unconstitutional), but it also makes for a safer neighborhood. That means they can save lives.

Anti-gun activists would certainly paint quite a different picture and use numbers which they know will make your jaw drop, but don't be fooled by numbers. 20,000 people die every year just from the flu alone. That's almost five times as many deaths as soldier fatalities in Iraq in the last seven years combined, yet that 4,000+ is proclaimed as astromomical.

So let's be careful throwing numbers around to call things sin or to say they're wrong and we should fight against them. The Biblical fact of the matter is that we are known intimately in our mother's womb, we are human beings, innocent and beloved by God, and taking the life of an unborn child is murder. The Bible never once suggests that a family having something to defend themselves or hunt for food is in any way wrong. To say so is to buy the ideas of men instead of basing our moral compass on the Word of God.

 

[John14:1]

"Thats a high number, close to the abortion toll."

Actually, that number killed by guns between 1979 and 2001 is about 4,091 per year. Over 3,000 babies per day are murdered via abortion (over 1,095,000 per year). Saying that's close to the abortion toll is not just misleading, it's completely false.

Over 42,000 people die every year in automobile accidents, which is a far greater statistic than those killed accidentally by guns. 3,490 of those killed in car accidents are between 15 and 20 years old. Should we start fighting against automobiles?

The fact is that crime is lower where guns are legal, since criminals ignore the law anyway. Guns owned by law-abiding citizens is not only clearly protected in our constitution (making gun bans unconstitutional), but it also makes for a safer neighborhood. That means they can save lives.

Anti-gun activists would certainly paint quite a different picture and use numbers which they know will make your jaw drop, but don't be fooled by numbers. 20,000 people die every year just from the flu alone. That's almost five times as many deaths as soldier fatalities in Iraq in the last seven years combined, yet that 4,000+ is proclaimed as astromomical.

So let's be careful throwing numbers around to call things sin or to say they're wrong and we should fight against them. The Biblical fact of the matter is that we are known intimately in our mother's womb, we are human beings, innocent and beloved by God, and taking the life of an unborn child is murder. The Bible never once suggests that a family having something to defend themselves or hunt for food is in any way wrong. To say so is to buy the ideas of men instead of basing our moral compass on the Word of God.

Good points made. When you take away guns from law abiding citizens the violent crime rate goes up. The Brit's and Australian's are good examples. They have been stripped of their gun ownership and it's now a more violent society.

These stories about gun deaths with kids are tragic for sure, but let's keep things in proper prospective. They are very rare in the grand scheme of things. You have a much better chance getting killed in a car accident or even in a hospital due to medical malpractice.

All you ever here about are the tragedies and not the situations where people fend off criminals by protecting themselves with firearms. The news media is very liberal and has a hatred of guns so the reporting is very bias against anything positive to do with firearms.

 

[MiccyinFl]

It is certainly a sad sad thing all around . The reports i saw on TV when it first happened were that the gun was the boys , bought for him by his father . To me thats even more insane . I know there may be some children out there that seem very mature , but still 8 yrs old is too young to know the ins and outs of gun use , care and responsibility . At this age the finality of death just isnt ingrained in their minds . There are so mant factors that could have played into this sad story . I pray for all people involved in this , may the Lords peace be with them .
Miccy

 

[rizen1]

"Thats a high number, close to the abortion toll."

Actually, that number killed by guns between 1979 and 2001 is about 4,091 per year. Over 3,000 babies per day are murdered via abortion (over 1,095,000 per year). Saying that's close to the abortion toll is not just misleading, it's completely false.

Over 42,000 people die every year in automobile accidents, which is a far greater statistic than those killed accidentally by guns. 3,490 of those killed in car accidents are between 15 and 20 years old. Should we start fighting against automobiles?

The fact is that crime is lower where guns are legal, since criminals ignore the law anyway. Guns owned by law-abiding citizens is not only clearly protected in our constitution (making gun bans unconstitutional), but it also makes for a safer neighborhood. That means they can save lives.

Anti-gun activists would certainly paint quite a different picture and use numbers which they know will make your jaw drop, but don't be fooled by numbers. 20,000 people die every year just from the flu alone. That's almost five times as many deaths as soldier fatalities in Iraq in the last seven years combined, yet that 4,000+ is proclaimed as astromomical.

So let's be careful throwing numbers around to call things sin or to say they're wrong and we should fight against them. The Biblical fact of the matter is that we are known intimately in our mother's womb, we are human beings, innocent and beloved by God, and taking the life of an unborn child is murder. The Bible never once suggests that a family having something to defend themselves or hunt for food is in any way wrong. To say so is to buy the ideas of men instead of basing our moral compass on the Word of God.

I'm sorry but I see this in a christian point of view, not political. If you have the Holy Spirit living in you why would you need guns to be your protector.

If everyone has guns how do you tell the criminals from the non criminals. It's only when the cime is committed then we yell oh thats a bad person.

Murder is murder, by mother by gun by any means. One should not be hold higher than the other. In the 10 commandments he didn't describe the murder scene or the weapon, plain and simple thou shall not kill.

So if people with guns kill, then it should be talked about. People who don't have God will need guns, because they have no faith in anything.

The fact is that crime is lower where guns are legal, since criminals ignore the law anyway. Guns owned by law-abiding citizens is not only clearly protected in our constitution (making gun bans unconstitutional), but it also makes for a safer neighborhood

So basically you've stereotyped every criminal who gain guns illegally as not law abiding citizens. Those who reject gun control will scream, hey the guns obtain legally don't kill, then below their breathe " as much ".

As a christian you would know the devil does not show favouritism. He's not going to only tempt people who get guns illegally to kill. Home many perfect homes are destroyed because daddy gets in a rage and kills the whole family then himself. How many suicides, how many curious kids from good homes finds daddy's guns and play with them. How many regular joe's go get laid of and sent into a killing rage.

Guns kill, there is no doubt about it. There is no longer a description for murders. Man, Woman, boy or girl.

My brother moved to arizona when he got married, and his in-laws got him a gun, and guess who also got a gun 12yr old nephew. Blonde hair little boy posing with his christmas gift.

In some people's background learning to shoot a gun was a manly thing, a hobby past down to each generation....but its 2008 and the devil is out to kill, steal and destroy so there's no time for christians to hold on to traditions.

If you want protection....pray
If you want a save community, get your church to pray.

The gun is a weapon, designed to kill or cause bodily harm. When the bandit comes in your house , he has a gun you have a gun..wild wild west.

 

[benfaust]

"Then (Jesus) said to them, 'But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.'"
(Luke 22:36)

Of course they didn't have guns back then. But to say "Thou shalt not kill" does not simply mean "murder" is to say that time after time, God commanded his people to sin. God commanded an Old Testament king to kill all the men, women, and children of a certain place, and judged him when he disobeyed.

So it's okay to view this as a Christian, not political, issue. If you're a pacifist for concience sake, then you must not violate your conscience, and should not own a gun (or a sword). But even Jesus did not condemn owning a sword, and encouraged it in one case (and in all cases for those ordained by God to uphold the law).

And, yes, sometimes death is necessary to protect innocent life. Not outside of the law, because the Bible commands us to obey the rulers or we're disobeying him (outside of laws commanding us to disobey Scripture). And we'd have to throw out a good portion of the Bible to say owning something that can kill (and that could be a kitchen knife), and even using it when the need arises, is wrong.