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7 Revelations of Christ

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UNE

Question about the revelations of Christ. Please explain:

1. Rev 13:18 What is the Antichrist?
2. How Christ is the son of God?
3. How is Christ the king of kings and lord of lords?
4. What is the Virgin Mary?
5. What is the winepress? (also know as the Holy Bloodline)
6. What is "The mystery Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and the abominations of Earth?
7. What is the Overcomer?
 
Loyal
There is no consensus on all of these answers. If you ask a dozen people, you'll get a dozen answers.

1. Some believe it is a government or social agenda. I personally believe it's a real human who controls the world government.
2. Jesus is the Son of God in that He always existed, created the universe, is God Himself, and was conceived in the flesh by the Holy Spirit.
3. Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lord because He has been given authority over all of the earth, in a manner of speaking He "purchased" (redeemed)
the earth from satan on the cross.
4. This is a can of worms, especially from the Roman Catholic perspective. Protestant believe Mary was a virgin when she got pregnant by Holy Spirit
with Jesus. But most protestant don't believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary, the Bible says she had other children.
5. The winepress is the wrath of God. Millions will die on that day. The blood will be "up to the horses bridle, for a distance of 200 miles".
6. This one will take much more than one post to answer... but the most common answers are the Roman Catholic church, the US government, or the Muslim
global-state.
7. I am unaware of that exact phrase in the Bible I own. But those who resist sin, resist "the beast" (also called the anti-christ) , resist satan and stirm firm
against temptation are the overcomers. Some say merely by believing in Jesus you are an overcomer. (Of course even the demons believe).
 
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UNE

There is no consensus on all of these answers. If you ask a dozen people, you'll get a dozen answers.

1. Some believe it is a government or social agenda. I personally believe it's a real human who controls the world government.
2. Jesus is the Son of God in that He always existed, created the universe, is God Himself, and was conceived in the flesh by the Holy Spirit.
3. Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lord because He has been given authority over all of the earth, in a manner of speaking He "purchased" (redeemed)
the earth from satan on the cross.
4. This is a can of worms, especially from the Roman Catholic perspective. Protestant believe Mary was a virgin when she got pregnant by Holy Spirit
with Jesus. But most protestant don't believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary, the Bible says she had other children.
5. The winepress is the wrath of God. Millions will die on that day. The blood will be "up to the horses bridle, for a distance of 200 miles".
6. This one will take much more than one post to answer... but the most common answers are the Roman Catholic church, the US government, or the Muslim
global-state.
7. I am unaware of that exact phrase in the Bible I own. But those who resist sin, resist "the beast" (also called the anti-christ) , resist satan and stirm firm
against temptation are the overcomers. Some say merely by believing in Jesus you are an overcomer. (Of course even the demons believe).

Thank you for your reply. I would like to take this a step further. I am asking Christians these questions because the Book of Revelations shows you the answer to these 7 Revelations. However, one can only see these revelations through the perception of "understanding", or extreme enlightenment; at lease that is my research here is to see if faith can answer the questions from enlightenment. The answers to these revelations should not be answered using miracles (rev 6), they should be answered via "understanding." (rev 13:18).

My perspective is from enlightenment and I am doing research for a book, so I am asking the Christian community to answer these revelations without using miracles. Is there anyone in the Christian faith that can answer them without miracles?

Thank you in advance....
 
Loyal
In the Christian religion, miracles and "enlightenment" are not mutually exclusive.

But I would think no one could answer these questions without believing in what you might call miracles.
The verse that you mention above ( Rev 13:18; ) is only wisdom about the number of the beast (anti-Christ) 666.
It has nothing to do with the "understanding" of the other questions you ask.

But if Jesus was just a man, and not the Son of God, why follow Him over any other man?
If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then the entire Christian faith is in vain. ( 1 Cor 15:14; )

For example you ask... "What is the virgin Mary"?
I would think there are probably millions of women in the world who are virgins. What makes Mary special or different?
She had a baby without having sex with a man. I would say that is a miracle, but the Christian faith depends on this miracle.

In a more practical way.... Almost every Christian would tell you they used to be a different person.
Perhaps homosexual, or an alcoholic, or addicted to drugs. Perhaps they used to beat their wife or abuse children.
Perhaps they were addicted to gambling or pornography or many other things. Maybe it was a seemingly simple thing, insecurity,
fear, self-worth, addiction to attention, lying or stealing.

But Christians would say Jesus changed them... they aren't who they used to be. Isn't that in itself a miracle?
If Jesus can't change us or our lives... then why bother?
 
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UNE

In the Christian religion, miracles and "enlightenment" are not mutually exclusive.

But I would think no one could answer these questions without believing in what you might call miracles.
The verse that you mention above ( Rev 13:18; ) is only wisdom about the number of the beast (anti-Christ) 666.
It has nothing to do with the "understanding" of the other questions you ask.

But if Jesus was just a man, and not the Son of God, why follow Him over any other man?
If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then the entire Christian faith is in vain. ( 1 Cor 15:14; )

For example you ask... "What is the virgin Mary"?
I would think there are probably millions of women in the world who are virgins. What makes Mary special or different?
She had a baby without having sex with a man. I would say that is a miracle, but the Christian faith depends on this miracle.

In a more practical way.... Almost every Christian would tell you they used to be a different person.
Perhaps homosexual, or an alcoholic, or addicted to drugs. Perhaps they used to beat their wife or abuse children.
Perhaps they were addicted to gambling or pornography or many other things. Maybe it was a seemingly simple thing, insecurity,
fear, self-worth, addiction to attention, lying or stealing.

But Christians would say Jesus changed them... they aren't who they used to be. Isn't that in itself a miracle?
If Jesus can't change us or our lives... then why bother?


Thanks for having this debate with me.

I delve into the miracle aspect deeply because it is a very defining aspect between Miracles and understanding. For example, miracles are the method to explain what is not understood by faith. Understanding would obviously be understanding. Not the thought of understanding but true understanding which is slightly different than enlightenment. Understanding is atop of enlightenment. This is the position I believe the Book of Revelation is written and the point of my research.

What I have found on Rev 13:18 is that it is the doorway to understanding Christ. If you understand that revelation (rev 13:18) then you will understand to following revelations I have laid out at the beginning. And they are not known via miracles but understanding. I will give an example.

The Virgin Mary... Where does it say that the Virgin Mary is a biological woman for example? Can it be Faith as the virginal vessel itself? Faith holds the written word, called the word of God, untouched (virginal), for thousands of years until the word is understood again? So, faith would be the vessel to bring forth God's (Christ's) understanding until it is re-understood again? This is the process of bringing forth the resurrection of Christ. Different physical body but the same understanding, because Christ's understanding is what matters not his skin and bones. Christ is son of man and son of God, correct? Thus, two different births the biological birth and the spiritual birth, correct? This is the whole point of the Book of Revelations is to show this, not tell because telling is faith, but revelations; which is to show, to unveil, to understand. The confusing part I see with Christians is that they are meshing the biological mother with the spiritual mother together. I believe it is due to misunderstanding but would love to see where it says that they are both one in the same. Can you provide the info?
 

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