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2,700 evangelicals warn against politicizing coronavirus, urge Christians to take vaccine

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A coalition of more than 2,700 high-profile evangelicals spanning the fields of science and religion have signed onto a statement billed “A Christian Statement on Science for Pandemic Times,” which warns against the politicization of the new coronavirus and urges Christians to take appropriate action against it, including taking a vaccine when it’s ready.

“We are deeply concerned about the polarization and politicization of science in the public square when so many lives are at stake. The word ‘science’ has become a weapon in the culture wars. Scientists are vilified and their findings ignored, while conspiracy theories go viral. Sadly, Christians seem just as susceptible to these trends. Thoughtful Christians may disagree on public policy in response to the coronavirus, but none of us should ignore clear scientific evidence,” the statement published online by the nonprofit organization BioLogos says.

"We call on all Christians to follow the advice of public health experts and support scientists doing crucial biomedical research on COVID-19."

BioLogos was founded by U.S. National Institutes of Health Director Francis Collins, a devout Christian geneticist, and his wife, to foster discussions about the harmony between science and biblical faith. Collins was honored earlier this year with the Templeton Prize, a financial award of $1.3 million for his storied career using science to advocate for the “integration of faith and reason.”

Some of the influential evangelicals who have already signed the statement include: Bishop Claude Alexander, senior pastor, The Park Church, Charlotte, North Carolina; National Association of Evangelicals President Walter Kim; William Phillips, a distinguished professor of physics at the University of Maryland who was a co-recipient of the Nobel Prize of Physics "for development of methods to cool and trap atoms with laser light" in 1997; and Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference.

The signers affirm that they "uphold the authority of God’s Word and see science as a tool to understand God’s world."

The statement comes in the wake of the fragmented response in the Christian community to the coronavirus which has fed skepticism about how it has been handled and challenged advice from public health officials on issues such as the wearing of masks to stem the spread of the disease.

From L-R, NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams, and NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins. | National Institutes of Health
A vocal minority of churches also spoke out against calls from federal and local government authorities to close their churches amid the new coronavirus pandemic, risking fines and arrests. As recently as Sunday, North Carolina Bishop Patrick Wooden Sr. of the conservative Upper Room Church of God in Christ in Raleigh, slammed Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who is director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, as a “backslidden Catholic and self-professed humanist” who is being used as a political tool by the left.

“Humanists do not believe in prayer, humanists do not believe that God intervenes, humanists do not believe that we need help from the Lord at all. That may be one of the reasons he could easily recommend that churches be closed, but he fumbled and waffled when they suggested perhaps the protests should be curtailed because they spread the virus,” he asserted.

The statement acknowledges that while Christians have a valid reason to be skeptical of the scientific process, it would be unwise to dismiss their research.

“It is appropriate for Christians to be skeptical of claims made by scientists who speak outside their area of expertise. We firmly reject claims that science has somehow shown God does not exist or faith is mere superstition. Such claims go beyond what science is capable of investigating. We lament the times when science and medicine have been misused to perpetrate atrocities like the racist Tuskegee experiments. But Christians should listen to scientists and doctors when they speak in their area of expertise, especially when millions of lives are at stake,” the statement warns.

It also explains that while some of the scientific guidance on the virus may seem confusing at times, it’s simply the nature of the process of trying to fight a virus they are still learning about each day.

“Experts have been communicating their knowledge in real time as the pandemic progresses, which has led to some confusion. In the early days, they advised the public against masks when supplies were needed for healthcare workers, but later they changed their message in response to more data. A change in expert advice is not a sign of weakness or unreliability, but of good scientific practice and honesty," it notes.

“On the biggest points, scientific predictions have been proven right: scientists said stay-home orders would reduce cases, and thankfully those measures worked. Scientists predicted that ending quarantine too soon would increase cases, and that has been the case.

“While any individual scientist may be biased, the community actively critiques each other’s work to reduce bias and errors until together they develop a consensus on what the data are saying. It’s not a perfect process and one can always find dissenters, but scientists working together are far more accurate than one person’s theory on YouTube. Scientists are trained to communicate where the consensus is uncertain and to not overstate conclusions. They may speak in sound bites in an interview, but if you listen a bit longer you will hear the caveats. So when Dr. Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease expert, tells us what scientists have learned about this infectious disease, he should be listened to.”

On the reopening of churches, signers of the statement agree that "Christians need to balance God’s call to meet together with God’s call to protect the vulnerable among us."

"Our faith calls us to sacrifice ourselves for others and accept temporary limitations on our freedoms because we have a permanent and complete freedom in Christ (Hebrews 10:34). Our faith helps us be humble and patient when discussing contentious issues (Ephesians 4:2-3). It is our faith, not science, that overcomes fear and brings hope."

The statement acknowledges that “the economic losses and social hardships of the pandemic are painful, and thoughtful Christians will disagree on how to balance those needs with health needs.”

Nevertheless, it urges Christians to wear masks, get vaccinated, correct misinformation, work for justice and pray.

"Mask rules are not experts taking away our freedom, but an opportunity to follow Jesus’ command to love our neighbors as ourselves," it says. "Christians are called to love the truth; we should not be swayed by falsehoods.

“Get vaccinated against COVID-19 when a safe and effective vaccine is available and as directed by a physician. A large fraction of the population needs to be vaccinated to develop the ‘herd immunity’ which protects the immuno-compromised and others who cannot be vaccinated. Vaccination is a provision from God that will prevent disease not only for ourselves but for the most vulnerable among us (Matthew 25:31-36).”

original source: 2,700 evangelicals warn against politicizing coronavirus, urge Christians to take vaccine
 
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A coalition of more than 2,700 high-profile evangelicals spanning the fields of science and religion have signed onto a statement billed “A Christian Statement on Science for Pandemic Times,” which warns against the politicization of the new coronavirus and urges Christians to take appropriate action against it, including taking a vaccine when it’s ready.

“We are deeply concerned about the polarization and politicization of science in the public square when so many lives are at stake. The word ‘science’ has become a weapon in the culture wars. Scientists are vilified and their findings ignored, while conspiracy theories go viral. Sadly, Christians seem just as susceptible to these trends. Thoughtful Christians may disagree on public policy in response to the coronavirus, but none of us should ignore clear scientific evidence,” the statement published online by the nonprofit organization BioLogos says.

"We call on all Christians to follow the advice of public health experts and support scientists doing crucial biomedical research on COVID-19."

BioLogos was founded by U.S. National Institutes of Health Director Francis Collins, a devout Christian geneticist, and his wife, to foster discussions about the harmony between science and biblical faith. Collins was honored earlier this year with the Templeton Prize, a financial award of $1.3 million for his storied career using science to advocate for the “integration of faith and reason.”

Some of the influential evangelicals who have already signed the statement include: Bishop Claude Alexander, senior pastor, The Park Church, Charlotte, North Carolina; National Association of Evangelicals President Walter Kim; William Phillips, a distinguished professor of physics at the University of Maryland who was a co-recipient of the Nobel Prize of Physics "for development of methods to cool and trap atoms with laser light" in 1997; and Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference.

The signers affirm that they "uphold the authority of God’s Word and see science as a tool to understand God’s world."

The statement comes in the wake of the fragmented response in the Christian community to the coronavirus which has fed skepticism about how it has been handled and challenged advice from public health officials on issues such as the wearing of masks to stem the spread of the disease.

From L-R, NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams, and NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins. | National Institutes of Health
A vocal minority of churches also spoke out against calls from federal and local government authorities to close their churches amid the new coronavirus pandemic, risking fines and arrests. As recently as Sunday, North Carolina Bishop Patrick Wooden Sr. of the conservative Upper Room Church of God in Christ in Raleigh, slammed Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who is director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, as a “backslidden Catholic and self-professed humanist” who is being used as a political tool by the left.

“Humanists do not believe in prayer, humanists do not believe that God intervenes, humanists do not believe that we need help from the Lord at all. That may be one of the reasons he could easily recommend that churches be closed, but he fumbled and waffled when they suggested perhaps the protests should be curtailed because they spread the virus,” he asserted.

The statement acknowledges that while Christians have a valid reason to be skeptical of the scientific process, it would be unwise to dismiss their research.

“It is appropriate for Christians to be skeptical of claims made by scientists who speak outside their area of expertise. We firmly reject claims that science has somehow shown God does not exist or faith is mere superstition. Such claims go beyond what science is capable of investigating. We lament the times when science and medicine have been misused to perpetrate atrocities like the racist Tuskegee experiments. But Christians should listen to scientists and doctors when they speak in their area of expertise, especially when millions of lives are at stake,” the statement warns.

It also explains that while some of the scientific guidance on the virus may seem confusing at times, it’s simply the nature of the process of trying to fight a virus they are still learning about each day.

“Experts have been communicating their knowledge in real time as the pandemic progresses, which has led to some confusion. In the early days, they advised the public against masks when supplies were needed for healthcare workers, but later they changed their message in response to more data. A change in expert advice is not a sign of weakness or unreliability, but of good scientific practice and honesty," it notes.

“On the biggest points, scientific predictions have been proven right: scientists said stay-home orders would reduce cases, and thankfully those measures worked. Scientists predicted that ending quarantine too soon would increase cases, and that has been the case.

“While any individual scientist may be biased, the community actively critiques each other’s work to reduce bias and errors until together they develop a consensus on what the data are saying. It’s not a perfect process and one can always find dissenters, but scientists working together are far more accurate than one person’s theory on YouTube. Scientists are trained to communicate where the consensus is uncertain and to not overstate conclusions. They may speak in sound bites in an interview, but if you listen a bit longer you will hear the caveats. So when Dr. Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease expert, tells us what scientists have learned about this infectious disease, he should be listened to.”

On the reopening of churches, signers of the statement agree that "Christians need to balance God’s call to meet together with God’s call to protect the vulnerable among us."

"Our faith calls us to sacrifice ourselves for others and accept temporary limitations on our freedoms because we have a permanent and complete freedom in Christ (Hebrews 10:34). Our faith helps us be humble and patient when discussing contentious issues (Ephesians 4:2-3). It is our faith, not science, that overcomes fear and brings hope."

The statement acknowledges that “the economic losses and social hardships of the pandemic are painful, and thoughtful Christians will disagree on how to balance those needs with health needs.”

Nevertheless, it urges Christians to wear masks, get vaccinated, correct misinformation, work for justice and pray.

"Mask rules are not experts taking away our freedom, but an opportunity to follow Jesus’ command to love our neighbors as ourselves," it says. "Christians are called to love the truth; we should not be swayed by falsehoods.

“Get vaccinated against COVID-19 when a safe and effective vaccine is available and as directed by a physician. A large fraction of the population needs to be vaccinated to develop the ‘herd immunity’ which protects the immuno-compromised and others who cannot be vaccinated. Vaccination is a provision from God that will prevent disease not only for ourselves but for the most vulnerable among us (Matthew 25:31-36).”

original source: 2,700 evangelicals warn against politicizing coronavirus, urge Christians to take vaccine
After so much hot air on this subject, this is like a breath of fresh air.
 
Loyal
I understand from where you are coming from. But in this day and age. and the movement of coming togather "RCC and a large group of Protestants leaders" are uniting together. And how so many christians you cannot trust of having sound judgment. "and the large majority of The Evangelicals which in nature is somewhat bias" The prime makings of a "Tuskegee Study Experiment"! For the two water fountain systems was not totally eliminated by "Harry S. Truman and "Dwight Eisehower" or The electing of "Barack Obama' Presidents of the United States of America". Black Americans are Not going to line up in the "Kool-Aid" line. it is going to cause A Big Problem. Because of History! These young black Americans are not going to take it! Just watch. They are not going to follow, what they use to call these "Uncle Tom' Leaders. And they do not trust "none" of these lying, money hungry "Churches"!.
They call the "Sunday Morning Assembly", "The Sunday Morning Stickup" and The Pastors, they call them "Pulpits Pimps"!

I am telling you the truth! and They read and believe in "Jesus" and know what is in the Bible! and know what is going on in the "Government".
I know what i am talking about. I got Kids and grandkids. They are "White and Black"! 11 years of age to 40 something. Boys and Girls, Health care workers to Doctors. from "Radical to Bourgeois" they are. They are smart now, in their own right. and in actuality growing up, some of them didn't know the difference between a 'Black person and a white person a Japanese, a Jew, a Chaldean, or Arab. The only thing they knew, these were their friends. And they did not like you talking about race of any kind, so you didn't, because they would give you a unpleasamt look. Sometimes if you came to my house, especially during holidays, when school was out For about 4 to 5 days it look like a "Star Trek Convention" going on. These kids never knew when to go home, they ate and slept there. LOL, As far as race ,discrimination concerning it was absence, because they could not recognize the cosmetics, but me and my wife could. Because of our demographics in growing up. The only prejudice person in our house was my "wife". In our house we knew it. but no one else knew,

I used to be a "Trail Guide" when I was young, for horse riders in Canada. We had way over 200 horses of all kinds of color. When they would herd up together sometimes for some reason of another, the air might be cold or the wind blowing hard, I never saw them "discriminate" because of color, or get into a group fight, the "Pintos against the Palominos".

I will tell you right now, that "Covid-19" inoculation" is going to cause a big problem, that the Black and White communities together will not bend too! Especially with the Leadership of "Christians' leading the way! The World do not trust "Christians" They Like "Jesus"! and God! and I do not blame them. The world can tell phonies. Christians in the United States do not act or look like 'Christ" they look and act like 'church' people" They are "Churchians". Now think about it. take all day. and think about it. Only about 11% of christians in UK attend church once a week. and most likey it is lower than that maybe aboit 2 %. and USA about 41% most likey lower and droping every year, and that was 2018 results. The resaon, they found christians are great liars and cannot be trusted for the truth. People want you to truth them "The Truth". Not what you think the Truth is. People will want the "Truth" more than "Politeness"! "Politeness" is Not Christianity "The Truth" is. And The "Truth" could be "I don't know". instead of, some drum up christian fairytale lie in "Vainty City"!

This is for information only, of my observation. and sorry for dropping this bomb shell. of out of place.
 
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist...have no use for them either. Light on truth and heavy on false accusations.

That being said,
There's a difference in the medical research field between "disease" and "infection". This first round of vaccines is only going to prevent Covid-19 disease and not infection.

Meaning that just because you get this vaccine doesn't mean that you are immune to catching the virus... You can and likely will become an asymptomatic carrier. (Considering the infection rates) .

What that means is that those who can't take this vaccine will still have a chance at getting really sick and having debilitating effects from having it.

Now what's worse is that if a more effective vaccine is later discovered the interactions between this one and that one may not be acceptable. Also long term effects of this vaccine are unknown. (A huge gamble)

I like vaccines...got my flu shot and a pneumonia vaccine this year. Usually keep my tetnis up to date as well. (I work construction... always a good idea)

But this early vaccine is not a good idea. It might keep you from getting sick but still a carrier. Kinda like a person who is positive for HIV but still not showing signs of infection.

Then all those who aren't wearing masks are the Typhoid Mary giving families Typhoid Fever everywhere they go.
 
Loyal
I'm not a conspiracy theorist...have no use for them either. Light on truth and heavy on false accusations.

That being said,
There's a difference in the medical research field between "disease" and "infection". This first round of vaccines is only going to prevent Covid-19 disease and not infection.

Meaning that just because you get this vaccine doesn't mean that you are immune to catching the virus... You can and likely will become an asymptomatic carrier. (Considering the infection rates) .

What that means is that those who can't take this vaccine will still have a chance at getting really sick and having debilitating effects from having it.

Now what's worse is that if a more effective vaccine is later discovered the interactions between this one and that one may not be acceptable. Also long term effects of this vaccine are unknown. (A huge gamble)

I like vaccines...got my flu shot and a pneumonia vaccine this year. Usually keep my tetnis up to date as well. (I work construction... always a good idea)

But this early vaccine is not a good idea. It might keep you from getting sick but still a carrier. Kinda like a person who is positive for HIV but still not showing signs of infection.

Then all those who aren't wearing masks are the Typhoid Mary giving families Typhoid Fever everywhere they go.
So you are a medical doctor and work closely with these symptoms with hundreds of patients? Or are you just repeating something you read some where?
 
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So you are a medical doctor and work closely with these symptoms with hundreds of patients? Or are you just repeating something you read some where?
I read scientists' blogs and research reports...
I can mostly understand this stuff as my wife works in the research field. I never understood a lot of it until about ten years ago when she began first in epidemiology and then in subsequent areas as she travelled various departments in Vanderbilt University.

I wish (you have no idea how hard in doing so) that I was wrong in what I'm saying.

I'm holding out hope for some kind of great Antiviral medicine that works wonderfully for this. Or some kind of great vaccine that prevents infection. (Both would put things back to normal)

Let me look and see if I can find a link....I'm a newbie here so I'm not sure if they will allow me to link to one of the journals that discuss this stuff.
But it's not just one isolated journal that has mentioned this...it's several at this point.
Maybe you can Google it up for yourself.
 
Loyal
I read scientists' blogs and research reports...
I can mostly understand this stuff as my wife works in the research field. I never understood a lot of it until about ten years ago when she began first in epidemiology and then in subsequent areas as she travelled various departments in Vanderbilt University.

I wish (you have no idea how hard in doing so) that I was wrong in what I'm saying.

I'm holding out hope for some kind of great Antiviral medicine that works wonderfully for this. Or some kind of great vaccine that prevents infection. (Both would put things back to normal)

Let me look and see if I can find a link....I'm a newbie here so I'm not sure if they will allow me to link to one of the journals that discuss this stuff.
But it's not just one isolated journal that has mentioned this...it's several at this point.
Maybe you can Google it up for yourself.
My point sir, with respect, is that you are merely repeating what others have said, much like the rest of us. I dont want a vaccine mandated to me or others either, by a Godless pharmaceuticals that may or may not really care what happens to the patients, but wanting more money through it.
 
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My point sir, with respect, is that you are merely repeating what others have said, much like the rest of us. I dont want a vaccine mandated to me or others either, by a Godless pharmaceuticals that may or may not really care what happens to the patients, but wanting more money through it.
Well there's no law in the USA that will force anyone to get a vaccine.

You don't have to have one.

Just like there's no ability of the Federal Government to force everyone to wear a mask. (States, counties, and cities may.)

There's no federal mandate that you have a valid driver's license either. The states require one if you operate a motor vehicle...but not the federal government.

I'm speaking about efficacy and medical concerns... politics isn't really my thing. It might be yours but....I just wanted to inform.
 
Loyal
Well there's no law in the USA that will force anyone to get a vaccine.

You don't have to have one.

Just like there's no ability of the Federal Government to force everyone to wear a mask. (States, counties, and cities may.)

There's no federal mandate that you have a valid driver's license either. The states require one if you operate a motor vehicle...but not the federal government.

I'm speaking about efficacy and medical concerns... politics isn't really my thing. It might be yours but....I just wanted to inform.
Politics arent my thing, but moral choices and input into laws that affect the national enforced morals is my thing and that sir is the dirty business of politics. I would hope they would be every christians thing, if the option is available to them. And many want it to be a law in our country to force a vaccine, and any govt can force whatever they want upon the people who will not stand up for their rights or for what is right.
 
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Politics arent my thing, but moral choices and input into laws that affect the national enforced morals is my thing and that sir is the dirty business of politics. I would hope they would be every christians thing, if the option is available to them. And many want it to be a law in our country to force a vaccine, and any govt can force whatever they want upon the people who will not stand up for their rights or for what is right.
People may want it to be a law but that doesn't mean it will pass constitutional challenge.

And there's many more people who would be very upset with breaking our constitution moreso than forcing people to take a vaccine.

So...
It won't happen except on a city, county, or state level.
We have states that don't even follow Daylight Savings Time. (Arizona and Hawaii). I can see even fewer forcing people to take a vaccine.
 
Loyal
I do not think in the USA , they can make or pass a law for all to take vaccines. There could be side effects for many, that is why it is kinda normal for a at least three years of testing period, pertains to cures. Pump some that vaccines in your veins today, two years from now, you will get a notice on your cell phones "You maybe entitled to benefits from a ClassAction Lawsuit pertaining "inoculation Covid-2020" and make sure you have your receipt with proper Signatures and location sight and release forms"

You find out the private location or office no longer exist, Or the pharmaceutical distribution center no longer can be located, for there is only a vacant lot with over grown with weeds! And no one can find the sales rep. He or She long lost their jobs. 20/20 News Story. CBS prime time news. Then you are having nightmares and the shakes.

And the 2700 Evangelicals, saying let's us pray, send donations to Net.com or 1-800- get healed
 
Loyal
The progressive people in power want to "change" this country into their ideal of the way they want this country to be(if you remember the slogan of the democratic election under Obama.... Hope and Change.... what they didnt say was that they hoped they could bring about the change that "they" wanted for our country, not the peoples ideals). They have put judges into positions of power that consider the constitution to be a living document capable of change and adaptable to the desires of the day. The president has the power of executive orders that can do all kinds of unconstitutional things. Progressives want a socialist government, and history teaches what happens when that happens, but I wont teach anyone here, Either you already know this, or you wont believe it. Either way, I am a foreigner here, a citizen of the Kingdom of God, but I have a powerful discernment that is God given and it sees the world as it is, as it wants to be, and the poor people who simply want to live their lives in peace and freedom and work for their living, I speak for them because most of them are sheep who arent even sure when to flee and who the wolves are to run from.
 
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