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“Eternal Salvation”

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There is only one strain of salvation--"Eternal salvation" (Heb 5:9), which is an "everlasting consolation" (2Th 2:16) and an "eternal glory" (2Ti 2:10). If it's not permanent it's not salvation, for the crux of salvation designs the intention of being in permanent and unbroken fellowship with God, which only Christianity provides. In Christianity, one who is reborn is identified by God working within, which keep us from ever again willing after the sin nature (old man) - Phl 2:13); and this is a permanent work, as nothing God does in Christ for the Christian is temporary (Rom 11:29).

The way of the Law for the believing Jews was works related, as forgiveness was granted for obedience maintained, but withdrawn in disobedience persisted. But God always caused the believers to return to Him. This works-type method gives rise to self-dependence in believers today, misunderstanding the difference between the two administrations. In the New Covenant the Spirit of God indwells the believer and uses the Life of Christ and the nature "created" in His image (Col 3:10) to "keep you from falling" (Jde 1:24). Thus one who is only nominally professing Christianity (Mat 15:8) will eventually apostatize (revealing faithlessness), as the "fruit" will always manifest the "tree" (Mat 12:33).

Lacking an administrative differentiation between the two Covenants is only one of a believer's difficulty. The other is the difficulty that results in misunderstanding certain Scriptures that seem to conflict with one another (but never really do), esp. those concerning the permanency of salvation, and the most important growth truths are going to be the most difficulty to learn. It is this appearance of contradiction, though all are actually in agreement, that teaches the Bible student to remain in persistent study and prayer for guidance in "the Word of Truth" (2Ti 2:15).

One of many examples is Gal 5:4: "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." I believe the point of this passage is like saying, "It would be as though you have fallen from grace, if you could be justified by the Law." As we know, Scripture repeatedly makes it clear that the Law's intention was not to justify but to reveal what justification is, for "a man is not justified by the works of the law" (Gal 2:16; Gal 3:11).

It might be said that one cannot fall from grace any more than one could be justified by the Law: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law” – ‘on the supposition that any of you are justified by the Law; or if, as you seem to suppose, any are justified by the Law. The apostle does not say that this had in fact ever occurred; but he merely makes a supposition. If such a thing should or could occur, it would follow that you had fallen from grace’” (Albert Barnes – 1798- 1870).

“Ye are fallen from grace”; ‘that is, either from that grace which they professed to have; for there might be some in these churches, as in others, who were only nominal Christians, and formal professors; who had declared they saw themselves lost and undone sinners, destitute of a righteousness, and professed to believe in Christ alone for righteousness and strength, but now trusted in themselves, and in the works of the law.’” – John Gill (1697-1771)
 
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@NetChaplain said:-
'The way of the Law for the believing Jews was works related, as forgiveness was granted for obedience maintained, but withdrawn in disobedience persisted. But God always caused the believers to return to Him. This works-type method gives rise to self-dependence in believers today, misunderstanding the difference between the two administrations. In the New Covenant the Spirit of God indwells the believer and uses the Life of Christ and the nature "created" in His image (Col 3:10) to "keep you from falling" (Jde 1:24). Thus one who is only nominally professing Christianity (Mat 15:8) will eventually apostatize (revealing faithlessness), as the "fruit" will always manifest the "tree" (Mat 12:33).'
Hello @NetChaplain,

Thank you for your OP. I have enjoyed reading it through. However I have a problem with this paragraph on several levels. The main one being that you appear to suggest that believers during this present dispensation are under the New Covenant: but the New Covenant is in abeyance at this time: it has been since the departure of Israel into unbelief at the end of the Acts period; following their rejection both in the land and in the dispersion of the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah. The New Covenant will be established with Israel as a nation when they are brought to repentance at the end of the age, as the Old Covenant was at Sinai.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris (Complete)
 
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Thank you for your OP. I have enjoyed reading it through. However I have a problem with this paragraph on several levels. The main one being that you appear to suggest that believers during this present dispensation are under the New Covenant: but the New Covenant is in abeyance at this time: it has been since the departure of Israel into unbelief at the end of the Acts period; following their rejection both in the land and in the dispersion of the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah. The New Covenant will be established with Israel as a nation when they are brought to repentance at the end of the age, as the Old Covenant was at Sinai.
HI, and appreciate your reply and comments! It's my understanding that ever since God ended the Law (Old Covenant), the believing Jews and Gentiles (non-Jews) in Christ have entered the New Covenant. Though it's not common knowledge nor acceptance, I believe the Jews who do not believe in Christ but in God (Jn 14:1) will enter a final New Covenant ( Jer 31:31; Eze 36:25-27). This is when the non-Christian Jews who believed in God will finally be " cleansed from all iniquities," and inherit the new Earth; and all Christians the new Heaven (unless we're not discussing the same issue).
 
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HI, and appreciate your reply and comments! It's my understanding that ever since God ended the Law (Old Covenant), the believing Jews and Gentiles (non-Jews) in Christ have entered the New Covenant. Though it's not common knowledge nor acceptance, I believe the Jews who do not believe in Christ but in God (Jn 14:1) will enter a final New Covenant ( Jer 31:31; Eze 36:25-27). This is when the non-Christian Jews who believed in God will finally be " cleansed from all iniquities," and inherit the new Earth; and all Christians the new Heaven (unless we're not discussing the same issue).
Hello @NetChaplain,

Thank you for bearing with me: and for responding so kindly.

Yes, I do agree that the believing remnant of Israel, during the Acts period were brought into the blessings of the New Covenant: because the Lord Jesus Christ, the Mediator of the New Covenant (Hebrews 12:24) had shed His blood, the blood of the new covenant, as the blood of bulls and goats was sprinkled by Moses at the time of the making of the Old Covenant. (Hebrews 18-22). Then when believing Gentiles were grafted in to Israel's Olive tree, they also received of New Covenant blessings. However when Israel finally departed into the darkness of unbelief, and the mystery of Israel's blindness came into force, the New Covenant with it's blessings ceased when Isaiah 6 :9-10 was quoted by Paul (Acts 28:26-27), and the curse descended upon Israel, as warned of in Acts 13:40. It was then that salvation was sent to the Gentiles, for they would hear it (Acts 28:28).

God then gave Paul the revelation concerning the Church which is Christ's body: with Christ Himself as it's Head (Ephesians 1:22-23); which was independent of Israel as a nation, which he administered as the Lord's Prisoner, in his letters to the Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus. In which the two (Jew & Gentile) became one Body in their risen Head: equal and united in Him. Fellow citizens and of the household of God.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Yes, I do agree that the believing remnant of Israel, during the Acts period were brought into the blessings of the New Covenant: because the Lord Jesus Christ, the Mediator of the New Covenant (Hebrews 12:24) had shed His blood, the blood of the new covenant, as the blood of bulls and goats was sprinkled by Moses at the time of the making of the Old Covenant. (Hebrews 18-22). Then when believing Gentiles were grafted in to Israel's Olive tree, they also received of New Covenant blessings. However when Israel finally departed into the darkness of unbelief, and the mystery of Israel's blindness came into force, the New Covenant with it's blessings ceased when Isaiah 6 :9-10 was quoted by Paul (Acts 28:26-27), and the curse descended upon Israel, as warned of in Acts 13:40. It was then that salvation was sent to the Gentiles, for they would hear it (Acts 28:28).

God then gave Paul the revelation concerning the Church which is Christ's body: with Christ Himself as it's Head (Ephesians 1:22-23); which was independent of Israel as a nation, which he administered as the Lord's Prisoner, in his letters to the Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus. In which the two (Jew & Gentile) became one Body in their risen Head: equal and united in Him. Fellow citizens and of the household of God.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Not sure what your trying to say, but I also appreciate your manner of kindness and desire for Scriptural truth.
 
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Myself, I see Scripture intending the profession of one's belief (1Ti 6:12), which may be genuine or eventually discover not genuine, and this is where most of the confusion lies. We start with our profession and if it's genuine it will never stop, thus when one stops confessing faith, that is, leaves the outward practice of it and never returns, the profession was not genuine, thus the person was not reborn (apostatize).

Therefore it's my understanding that one who "departs" (1Ti 4:1) or "falls away" (2Th 2:3) it is one who is willingly ceasing from a hypocritical profession, e.g. leaving not salvation but a false profession of salvation, because only genuine professions continue without ceasing.

Good example might be Jhn 15:1, Jesus used the phrase "Every branch in Me":

Gill- "There are two sorts of branches in Christ the vine; the one sort are such who have only an historical faith in him, believe but for a time, and are removed; they are such who only profess to believe in him, as Simon Magus did; are in him by profession only; they submit to outward ordinances, become church members, and so are reckoned to be in Christ, being in a church state, as the churches of Judea and Thessalonica, and others, are said, in general, to he in Christ; though it is not to be thought that every individual person in these churches were truly and savingly in him. These branches are unfruitful ones; what fruit they seemed to have, withers away, and proves not to be genuine fruit; what fruit they bring forth is to themselves, and not to the glory of God, being none of the fruits of his Spirit and grace."
 

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