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  1. The biggest question that I have received in my life is what denomination or religion are you? I always answer that I am simply Christian. Then they will follow up with, why do you celebrate Jewish holidays then, are you Jewish? Or on the flip side I have had Jewish people ridicule me for associating “their traditions and symbols” with Jesus. Jews do not like me associating their culture with Jesus, (who was a Jew might I add), and Christians cannot seem to understand why I would celebrate a Jewish holiday if I am Christian, after all many Christians blame Jews for the death of Jesus. Then when Christians realize that I do not celebrate Christmas or easter they immediately tell me that does not seem Christian. So what am I then? Again, I am simply a believer in Jesus. I believe that the bible from Genesis to Revelations is the true, undivided word of God. There is one page that I would suggest to everyone to rip out of their bible, it’s the page that divides the Old Testament with the New Testament. I love the way I have heard it from other pastors, the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament Revealed. There are about 33,000 denominations of Christianity today, and not one of them has everything right. I consider myself a Berean, (Acts 17:11), someone that challenges everything that I hear and I read scripture daily to see if what I have heard is true. We must test everything, we cannot rely on the pastor, the pope, the reverend or the rabbi or whoever is presenting a message to be the true Word of God. We must let the scripture define what the Word of God is. As for the Christians that do believe that the Old Testament and the Law is done away with then I have some questions:

    In Act’s 17:11 and II Timothy 3:16, when the writers refer to scripture what scripture are they talking about? Just for your information the New Testament had not been written yet..

    In Matthew 5:18, it says, “18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” If the law is done away with then why is heaven and earth still present? But just to give you a glimpse of the future it does pass away, Revelation 21:1, “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”

    What does Jesus mean in the verse, Matthew 5:17 when he says he came not abolish the law or the prophets?

    Why are we commanded to keep the Feast of Tabernacles in the future? Zechariah 14:16, “And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.”

    Now as for the Jew’s today I have different reasons on why I believe they have not accepted Jesus as their Messiah. First off, Jew’s today view Christianity as nothing but pagan, because they celebrate Christmas, Easter and Sunday Church, something that God has warned his people time and time again not to do. The Jews are waiting for a conquering King, not a suffering servant. We must point them to the scriptures that lead them to understanding the pattern of prophecy that Jesus comes in two parts. For instance the story of Joseph is a powerful message in that his brothers rejected him, and Joseph suffered on the part of his family and after years and years Joseph becomes the one that is able to heal their land from famine. This story of Joseph also reveals so much of the House of Judah staying in covenant with God versus the House of Israel does not and God eventually divorces them from his covenant. Matthew 15:24, “ But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Jesus came for the House of Israel the first time so that they could be grafted back into the covenant with God and the House of Judah. I pray that I am right in my theory that when Jesus returns every Jew will know that he is King and Lord of all! Romans 14:11, “For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” Until then pray for one another, study intently every morning and evening, seeking truth in the scripture.

    I pray that anything I have written that is not the will of God that it falls dead at your sight and does not bear bad fruit.

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  2. This is so true brother, Yah has opened my eyes to this truth, first five books of OT are still relevant to this day, Yahusha kept everything, even prophets in the New Testament after His death, so, hardly the OT - Torah was nailed to the tree, these dietary laws, sabbaths and feasts are not only for Jews but Gentiles, "sojourners" or strangers also! Now, Peter's vision in Acts 10 of a sheet with all kinds of animals was about letting Peter and others to know that he and others were permitted to enter the homes of the Gentiles to bring them the Good News of Yahusha.
    Satan has successfully hidden from us through his church the relevance of Torah but Yah is waking us all up from this deception - "For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light"
    Praise be to Yah❤
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    There is much good that I see in what you have written, but we are still to be growing, are we not? When it has been written in our heart by the Holy Spirit then it really is the Word of God, is it not? Before that when it still resides in an unread and unopened Bible, is it not simply the dead carcass of Jesus awaiting the Life giving Holy Spirit?

    If we are listening carefully by the means of the Holy Spirit, will we not hear His voice and no other in what we read or hear?

    The biggest question in the opinion of many men may be as you say, 'What denomination or religion are you?", but perhaps the most important question for us at any time is the one that God is asking us at that time.

    Who is our Leader?

    Give God the glory!
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  4. Greetings,

    This is cute.

    Perhaps the writer should forget about ripping any pages out, stop listening to liars and deceivers and read some more of the Bible, for example Galatians 3:1 ,"O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you..."

    I have never met a Berean, have you ?

    I encourage you to study and weigh all things , especially in relation to your posts here. If you are interested in truth, please stay away from the false teachings of the Armstrong's and their successors and anyone who supports what they teach.

    May you know the Peace of God that passes all understanding , in Jesus name .

    Bless you ....><>
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  5. Not unto us, O LORD, not unto us, but unto Thy name give glory, for Thy mercy, and for Thy truth's sake.
    Psalm 115:1
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  6. "And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." (Matthew 3:9)

    "My kingdom is not of this world.." (John 18:36)

    "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?" (John 5:43-44)
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  7. Thanks for politely disagreeing with my post. I am always interested in the truth! I pertain to no denominations including the Armstrong movement. I attend several different churches all of which are different denominations. When I read the bible from Genesis to Revelations I discovered many new truths that are not taught in popular Christianity, such as God's Moedim. I too have never met a Berean but I strive to be like they are in the aspect that they are open minded and they search scripture daily to see if the things they hear are true. I do not know everything nor claim to be right on all matters. I think that it is very important to have a healthy relationship with God and others then we must honestly audit ourselves and look in the mirror and test each of our own doctrines. I am so thankful for this forum, so that I can dialogue with others to discuss more and come to the truth. May I ask you what you thought was false about this writing? Also I had four questions that I asked in my post.. do you have answers for them? Thanks and Shalom!
  8. "And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." (Matthew 3:9)

    "My kingdom is not of this world.." (John 18:36)

    "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?" (John 5:43-44)

    That's the problem in modern churches (all), they teach different Yahusha, not the One from our Father's Word. they teach that law Moses (Torah) was done away with - "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law." - Galatians 5:18-26
    They twist the Word of Yah to make it appear that the Torah is done away with. If we are led by the Spirit, it means that we are lawful because "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law" - 1 John 3:4

    "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." - that's what is happening worldwide, many rather listen to what their teachers and pastors have to say about the Word of Yah. "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." - Matthew 24:5

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
    "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
    "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (lawlessness)." Matthew 7:21-23

    I advise you all to call upon the name of our Father (Yahuah) and pray in the name of Yahusha to bind up every deceiving spirit and cast them away! Messiah's Hebrew name was changed purposely from Yahusha to "Jesus Christ", The "J" with its "J" sound didn't come into the English language until about 500 years ago. Names are very important, how do we know then that we pray to the true "God" if we don't use His name? Even Satan is called "Lord" (Baal), Lord of flies..
    Please brothers and sisters, we are in the end times and the time is nigh, do as I advised you, thank you!
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  9. Greetings,

    you are wrong.
    You are teaching that we must keep the law.
    Your argument selects only those verses that fit the lies you are propagating.

    I do not judge you but sincerely warn you that you are believing a lie and you would do well to follow your own advice and seek to have that lie cast out.

    Bless you ....><>
  10. Greetings,

    You wrote,
    the first two or three that I can see appear to be rhetorical in nature. Perhaps re-ask them so they can be looked at ?

    The fourth question, "Why are we commanded to keep the Feast of Tabernacles in the future?" can be answered such: we are not.

    As far as your other question, namely what I thought was false about this writing? goes, perhaps re-read my first reply and if you genuinely want to know, we can tackle it from there.
    You will find I made reference to all your posts , except perhaps your introduction post.

    Bless you ....><>
  11. Thanks for your response, but, how do you explain these verses "Think not that I am come to destroy the law (Torah), or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (Matthew 5:17) or "Do we, then, nullify the Law by this faith? By no means! Instead, we uphold the Law." (Romans 3:31) and "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" It is said that faith without works is dead.
    And the Torah isn't only for the Jews but Gentiles also "One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you." (Exodus 12:49)
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  12. Greetings,

    a better question would be, "how does the LORD through the Bible explain these verses.

    You chose one verse from Romans. May I suggest you read the whole letter to the Romans?

    I am unable to fully respond at present, so please read that letter in the meantime.

    You are teaching error.

    Bless you ....><>
  13. The word 'fulfil' in Matthew 5:17 is actually the word 'magnify'. Yeshua came to magnify the law and he did that in way that He gave a higher morality than we see in the old testament. Yeshua says in Matthew 5:28, "28 But I tell you that a man who even looks at a woman with the purpose of lusting after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." It is not only a sin if we commit the sin but it is also a sin that if we even think about committing the sin then we have already fallen short of the glory of God. This is why we all need Yeshua for we no man can completely keep the law. But if we are to say that the law is done away with then there is no need for a Messiah any more because there is no sin if there is no law and we are free to do whatever we like.
  14. Yodheywriter I had many of the same questions rolling a round in my head at one time. There is only one God, one Christ, and only one word, therefore there should be only one church. Pretty simple you would think. God says to listen to the preacher man but then check him out in the word of God. Is he on the money or is he blowing hot air. Don't get me wrong cause there is a lot of good teachers/preachers out there, but there is a lot of hot air being blown these days. We see so called super preachers that have their own TV ministries titled by their own names. Why isn't the ministry called the Jesus Christ Ministry. Why is it that they seem to focus more on raising money than teaching. Got to admit one super preacher is a wonderful motivational speaker but you don't learn much about the word of God being taught line by line. Another one is basically a stand up comic and keeps the audience laughing, but you don't learn much about the word of God. The Bible must be taught beginning with Gen 1:1 and move forward line by line, chapter by chapter. God has put the books of the Bible in order and that's how it should be studied or taught. Not many teach the Bible in this manner. If you are not taught in this fashion you are being cheated or short changed. The meaning of denomination, is basically division. That's one of satan's tactics, divide and conquer.
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  15. For a lustful thought to come into a mans mind towards a woman is not sinful. Where the sin comes in is when the man begins to ponder that lustful thought and begins trying to figure out how he is going to make that lust happen. If a lustful thought comes to mind and immediately one dismisses the thought, there is no sin. Let's face it, God knew what he was doing when he made a help mate, woman, for man. Nothing more beautiful than woman to man. Men have conquered many tasks, wether good or evil, for the love of woman.
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  16. Greetings @Marek

    please forgive my abrupt replies to you.

    Could you please explain what law is to be kept?

    Some refer to the law as the Torah but are these the same and if not, what is the difference ?
    There are definitely things contained in what most understand as the law that we should acknowledge. But then there are other things like circumcision and at least one sacrifice that it appears that we are not to keep, that is if sacrifice is/was of the law.
    Bestiality and homosexuality and sorcery are not 'in' what is called the 10 Commandments but most Christians would agree that they are iniquity and the abstinence from such iniquity is commanded the the LORD.

    Bless you ....><>
  17. And so the debate of the ages continues....

    On one hand we have 7 or 8 verses like...

    Rom 6:12; Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
    Rom 6:13; and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
    Rom 6:14; For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
    Rom 6:15; What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!
    Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

    A lot of people like to quote that last half of verse 14 and leave out the verses around it. Especially the part about not using your body
    for sin, but using it for righteousness, not obeying lust, Obedience to righteousness, or obedience to sin? (resulting in death)

    Then you have....

    Gal 2:16; nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
    Gal 2:17; But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? May it never be!
    Gal 2:18; For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a transgressor.
    Gal 2:19; For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
    Gal 2:20; I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
    Gal 2:21; I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”

    Again people like to quote the parts of these verses ... "if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”
    and " man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus", but they leave out the parts about Christ not being
    a minister of sin. They leave out the part about being crucified with Christ, not even understanding what that means.

    Another popular "partial" verse that is quoted is...

    Gal 5:3; And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.
    Gal 5:4; You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
    Gal 5:5; For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness.
    Gal 5:6; For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

    This is often misquoted... and changed to "every man who obeys the law, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law."

    Yet is is specifically talking about ceremonial law here. Circumcision. This who are "seeking to be justified by law" here are those
    who are still following ceremonial law.

    .... so OK... all of these verses say we aren't under the law anymore... IF ... if we are crucified with Christ, if we are led by the spirit,
    if we put off the old man, if we are obedient to righteousness, etc.... ( Rom 8:4; Gal 5:18; etc... )

    What people don't understand is that it is talking about the penalty of the law.

    Rom 8:3; For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
    Rom 8:4; so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
    Rom 8:5; For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
    Rom 8:6; For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
    Rom 8:7; because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
    Rom 8:8; and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

    Notice it says the "requirement" of the law would be fulfilled in us. What is the requirement of the law?
    NOTE* It goes on to say... (the flesh) does not subject itself to the law of God...

    Rom 6:23; For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    Heb 9:22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

    The "requirement" of the law was death for sin. Jesus paid that requirement, that's why He is called the Lamb of God.
    That's why He was sacrificed. That's why He said He came to fulfill the law ( Matt 5:17; ) He fulfilled the requirement of
    death for sin.

    ....continued ...
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  18. So OK we have 6 or 7 verses above that say we aren't under the law IF we meet certain conditions.
    But then we have over three times as many verses talking about the commandments in the New testament.
    So if we aren't under the law, why should we keep the commandments? Because God still wants us to the moral law.

    Matt 5:17; “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
    Matt 5:18; For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
    Matt 5:19; Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
    Matt 5:20; “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Matt 19:16; And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?
    Matt 19:17; And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

    Matt 22:35; One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him,
    Matt 22:36; “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”
    Matt 22:37; And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
    Matt 22:38; This is the great and foremost commandment.
    Matt 22:39; The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
    Matt 22:40; On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

    Mark 10:17; As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
    Mark 10:18; And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
    Mark 10:19 You know the commandments, ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’”
    (Also see Luke 18:18-20; )

    John 14:15; “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
    John 14:21; He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
    John 14:22; Judas (not Iscariot) *said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?”
    John 14:23; Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.
    John 14:24; He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.

    IF is a conditional word. IF you do this.. then... If you keep my commandments, I will disclose (reveal) myself to you.
    IF you don't, I won't disclose myself to you. IF you keep my words, I and the Father will make our abode with you.
    IF you don't, we won't.

    John 15:9; Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love.
    John 15:10; If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
    John 15:11; These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full.

    IF you keep the commandment, you will abide in Jesus's love. If you don't, you don't continue to abide in His love either.

    Paul says...

    1 Cor 7:19; Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
    1 Cor 7:20; Each man must remain in that condition in which he was called.

    The ceremonial law doesn't matter. But keeping the commandments does matter.

    1 Jn 2:3; By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
    1 Jn 2:4; The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
    1 Jn 2:5; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:

    Anyone who says they know Jesus, but doesn't keep the commandments is a liar.

    1 Jn 3:22; and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.
    1 Jn 3:23; This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
    1 Jn 3:24; The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

    The one who keeps His commandments abide in Jesus, and Jesus abides in them. The ones who don't keep the commandments don't abide in Jesus
    and Jesus doesn't abide in them.

    1 Jn 5:2; By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
    1 Jn 5:3; For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

    How do we know we love other Christians? (the children of God) ... when we observe His commandments.

    2 Jn 1:4; I was very glad to find some of your children walking in truth, just as we have received commandment to do from the Father.
    2 Jn 1:5; Now I ask you, lady, not as though I were writing to you a new commandment, but the one which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another.
    2 Jn 1:6; And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.

    Rev 12:17; So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

    If we don't keep the commandments, we aren't even keeping the testimony of Jesus. Jesus gave us the ability to overcome the world,
    overcome sin. If we are living the same way the world does, we have no testimony.

    Rev 14:12; Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

    Notice it doesn't just say "faith in Jesus".. it says keeping the commandments .. AND .. faith in Jesus.

    Matt 5:19; Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    James 3:1; Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.

    Those who teach against the commandments will incur a stricter judgment.

    It's interesting we have so many more verses telling us to keep the commandments, than we do about being under grace (not the law). But none of those verses about not being under (the penalty) of the law tell us not to keep the commandments.
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  19. Exactly, that's why we are to try the spirits and don't believe straightaway anyone anything. "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets (Anti-Mashiachs) are gone out into the world." - 1 John 4. And ofcourse, grace cannot exist without the law.
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  20. Hi There,
    I have a question,
    If we donot celebrate Christmas or Easter than how will the world know about Jesus.
    Even God said to the Jew's to celebrate the lambs feast before they left Egypt, that is Easter.
    We received over this last Christma so many videos not to celebrate Christmas, but how to let the world know?

    As for the commandments,
    Jesus said that he did not came to destroy the law but to make it more "tougher", even if you look @ a woman wrong you are guilty of the law.
    The law is also what comes from your heart, not from your mind.

    As for the church you belong!
    There is so many in the world, but there is a few that teach about the full aspect of Jesus.
    We are blessed to be in one of those churches and it is getting harder to find a Jesus inspired church.
    No one is there, if you find a church that is HOLY, please stay away as we as sinner will make it unholy.

    Jesus Blessings
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