I seen it happen too many times, even with a male pastor's consent (which is the case in many situations), how some women have services with other women, and then later become a pastor and become the teacher of a congregation of men and women.

(and yes is is important for a pastor to know what its happening and going on)

Twistie said:

This is what happens when man follows mans ways n teaching n traditions and man boxes themselves n their god in a box or building or what ever one may want to call that brick n mortar I'm seeing it as a prison that many Christians keep themselves in gladly n will attack anyone who tries n breaks it down...

I'm j.s.

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It is insane to think the Bible was authored by males; they only wrote what Ruah told them to record. In Yehovah's creation men and women have separate works to complete.

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It is insane to think the Bible was authored by males; they only wrote what Ruah told them to record. In Yehovah's creation men and women have separate works to complete.

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It's insane that many don't get He Teaches all His yet they claim they believe n insist they need to be teachers ⋋⁠✿⁠ ⁠⁰⁠ ⁠o⁠ ⁠⁰⁠ ⁠✿⁠⋌
Go figure.. like waves crashing back n forth talking one way waking another

What's more important? That all preaching be done by men, or that the truth of God's word is being spread throughout the world to the people of the world, even if it is a woman who God is using to preach the Good News, because she is willing, and she is available, and she is submissive to God's call upon her life? What is more important, that all preaching be done by men, or that the one doing the preaching is living a righteous and holy life, pleasing to God, in full submission and surrender to the will of God, no longer living as a slave to sin, but as a servant of God and of his righteousness, ready and available and willing to do what God has called her to do? Remember the story of the woman who did for Jesus what the man Pharisee did not do, but should have done? Jesus honored and valued her because she did what was necessary, and what needed to be done, that the man should have done, but he did not do, but which she did out of love for Jesus, even if she faced the reproach of a man.

What is of critical importance in our world and in the church today is that we have ministers of the gospel who are living holy lives, pleasing to God, who are obedient to the call of God upon their lives, whose lives are surrendered to doing God's will, who are no longer walking in sin and living to please the flesh, and who are teaching the truth of God's word to the people and not the lies which tickle itching ears. Too many charlatans in our day and age are standing in front of the people in the gatherings of "the church" who are teaching lies to tickle itching ears and to pacify human flesh. We need more truth tellers who are living the truth, and not a lie, who are willing to speak the truth even if it means being rejected in return. For all of us, male and female, are to prophesy (preach the word of God), to proclaim the excellencies of him who called us out of darkness, into his wonderful light, for the salvation of human souls, and for the spiritual growth and maturity of the body of Christ, of whom all who obey God are necessary to the proper working of the body. I want to hear the truth spoken, regardless if the speaker is male or female, by someone living it.

Many are not careful about what God says, there is a difference between the gifts of the Spirit mentioned in Corinthians, and being in the role of a pastor, to were they are teaching and preaching a message to the congregation, many times people go to the Greek, so to find their pet doctrine, and not that you cannot find definitions in the Greek, that are legit, but sometimes it gives many meanings.

You must compare scriptures with scriptures.

How many men preachers do you know who are teaching the gospel that Jesus and his New Testament apostles taught, in the correct biblical context? And who are living what they preach in daily practice, in truth, and in righteousness? See summaries and bible references below:

The Gospel According To Christ and His Apostles

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

The grace of God, which is bringing us salvation, is training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives while we wait for Jesus’ return. For Christ “gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.” “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.” (See Titus 2:11-14; Ephesians 2:8-10)

And we learn in 1 John 1-3 that if we claim that we have fellowship with God, but yet we walk in darkness (sin), we are liars. If we claim that we know God, but we do not obey his commandments, in practice, we are liars. For it is not the one who claims he is “in Christ” who is “in Christ,” but it is the one who has denied self, died with Christ to sin, and who is now walking in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in practice, and no longer in sin. We have the hope and the promise of eternal life with God in heaven.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:23-31; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10]

What is of critical importance is that we have people of God who are preaching the truth that Jesus and his New Testament apostles taught as the gospel of our salvation, without compromise, and without altering the message to make it less offensive and more agreeable to human flesh. And if there are not enough men available who are willing to lay down their lives to be guided by the Holy Spirit in teaching the truth that Jesus and his apostles taught, in the correct biblical context, and to get this message of the gospel out to the people, as a top priority in their lives, then God is going to use women. And who did Jesus send with the message of his resurrection to his men disciples? The women at the tomb. And did he not send a woman of Samaria, who was despised, to share the message of the gospel with her townspeople, including to men? Why? Because they were available, and he knew they would do what he said to do. God is looking for willing servants of his who will take the truth of the gospel to the people of the world, including to the church, in a time and age when so many are teaching lies disguised as truth. And if he cannot get enough men to do his will, he will use women who are willing to obey him. And that is what is critical here, that the truth is getting out to the people of the world for their salvation. And that the people preaching are walking the walk God has for all of us to walk, as those who profess faith in Jesus.

Oh I would agree that whoever is a preacher/teacher of the gospel, need to be an example, and how many are truly called, that is also another question.

Gerbolski said:

Many are not careful about what God says, there is a difference between the gifts of the Spirit mentioned in Corinthians, and being in the role of a pastor, to were they are teaching and preaching a message to the congregation, many times people go to the Greek, so to find their pet doctrine, and not that you cannot find definitions in the Greek, that are legit, but sometimes it gives many meanings.

You must compare scriptures with scriptures.

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Preacher and pastor are not the same word. We are all called to preach the message of the gospel. Only men are to be in positions of authority over the church. Not all overseers are teachers of the Scriptures, and not all teachers of the Scriptures are overseers. God designed that in the last days his daughters and sons, female and male, would prophesy (preach, proclaim the word of God). You don't have to be in authority over anyone to do that. I proclaim the word of God on the internet every day of the week, several times a day, as called of God to do so 21 years ago, but I am in no position of authority over anyone, and no one is forced to read what I post, either. Any man who reads what God gives me to write each day does so by his own choosing. And no one has to do what I say that God's word says we must do. But they do have to obey God. And in the congregation of the saints, if a woman is called upon by the leadership to speak, as God gives her the words to speak, I believe she should be allowed to speak, not in any position of authority, but as sharing what God is teaching her through her times spent with him in his word each day. And since it appears that in our day and time that not many men are teaching the whole counsel of God, but so many are now diluting the gospel to make it more acceptable to human flesh, we need people who are surrendered to God and to the truth of his word who will stand before the congregations of the people who will proclaim the truth of the gospel that the people need to hear. And that is far more important than if the one sharing the message is male or female. I am just saying that when we get hung up on the male and female thing we may bypass the will of God and his purpose in calling his daughters to prophecy, and the church could be missing out on hearing the truth spoken in place of the lies spread.

Well yes I agree that not all overseers have exactly the same role, but nevertheless have a position of authority.

But God does have an order, and there is a male role and a woman role, if we deny that , we deny scripture.

1Ti 2:7
(7) Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not ; ) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Well of course a pastor is a shepherd, they feed the flock, and preach the word to the flock.

Even though the words pastor and preacher have their own meaning, what a pastor does is preach the word to the flock, and even teach it.

They are indeed preachers.

1Ti 2:12-14
(12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
(13) For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
(14) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

We cannot get around this verse, it means what it says.

Can a woman witness to people, yes, they can proclaim the word, or if you want to say, preach the word, which is a type of proclaiming, to individuals, but not as one that feeds the flock, of a congregation of men and women, not as one who is in the role of a pastor.

And in truth there are good examples among men and women, and bad examples among men and women.

And of course Mary and others went to proclaim that Jesus was risen to the disciples, and some Old testament in what is called prophetesses ,went to warn men, even kings of things.

And via this website we are having a conversation on things, or in some cases fellowship, we are discussing the word, which the bible does not forbid us to do so , whether men or women.

Until man stopes following mans traditional ways n thinking they will be in this situation

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Twistie said:

Until man stopes following mans traditional ways n thinking they will be in this situation

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The traditional ways are men and women's ways, God's ways is this:

1Ti 2:12-14
(12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
(13) For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
(14) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

There is a reason why some cannot defend their view with bible verses, and I mean bible verses to were you compare them together, and not rip them apart.

When I mention preacher/teacher in this way, I was not saying they are the same thing, just mentioning both, so to cover both.

And concerning certain things, the bible mentions pastors, teachers, evangelists and so on, which shows separate things.

And via people discussing the word, it says this:

Act 18:25-26
(25) This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
(26) And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Here they were discussing the word with Apollos, it was not a church service perse, but rather both Aquila and Priscilla were expounding the word to Apollos.

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The traditional ways are men and women's ways, God's ways is this:

1Ti 2:12-14
(12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
(13) For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
(14) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

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Mans ways has man boxes in a building along with a god..idk what god exactly what each building worships that's a whole other subject..
The Living God Has no walls...
As it is written..

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers,
but whose delight is in the law of the LORD, and who meditates on his law day and night.
That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither— whatever they do prospers.
Not so the wicked! They are like chaff that the wind blows away.
Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren."

Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.”

Hope all's well with ya!

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Twistie said:

Mans ways has man boxes in a building along with a god..idk what god exactly what each building worships that's a whole other subject..
The Living God Has no walls...
As it is written..

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers,
but whose delight is in the law of the LORD, and who meditates on his law day and night.
That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither— whatever they do prospers.
Not so the wicked! They are like chaff that the wind blows away.
Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren."

Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.”

Hope all's well with ya!

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When I talk about things, I am not referring to walls perse.

You can gather in a building, in a house, under a bridge if you want to, or in an open valley, but as we gather as the body for a service, to were we are meeting with God, God has his order, and that is it..

And concerning be not called rabbi, we need to know what that is actually saying.

The bible gives the interpretation of what a rabbi is.

Mat 23:7-8
(7) And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
(8) But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

A rabbi is not just simply a teacher, but rather a master teacher, or one proclaiming himself to be an expert teacher, there was only one who was this as a man, and that is Jesus, and the one who teaches us as a master teacher is the Holy Spirit.

2Ti 1:11
(11) Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

Paul himself said he was a teacher of the Gentiles, was Paul wrong in saying this ? Of course not, there is nothing wrong with being a teacher, but of course one ought not to boast about this, nor does it make that person any better than someone else.

The word Rabbi has nothing to do with this.

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When I talk about things, I am not referring to walls perse.

You can gather in a building, in a house, under a bridge if you want to, or in an open valley, but as we gather as the body for a service, to were we are meeting with God, God has his order, and that is it..

And concerning be not called rabbi, we need to know what that is actually saying.

The bible gives the interpretation of what a rabbi is.

Mat 23:7-8
(7) And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
(8) But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

A rabbi is not just simply a teacher, but rather a master teacher, or one proclaiming himself to be an expert teacher, there was only one who was this as a man, and that is Jesus, and the one who teaches us as a master teacher is the Holy Spirit.

2Ti 1:11
(11) Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

Paul himself said he was a teacher of the Gentiles, was Paul wrong in saying this ? Of course not, there is nothing wrong with being a teacher, but of course one ought not to boast about this, nor does it make that person any better than someone else.

The word Rabbi has nothing to do with this.

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Sadly many forget that It is finished..many walk in the shadows of what was instead of what is.. following ways of man.. I think many don't even get that The Lord Speaks to His children every day anytime they decide to take counsel with Him..
Many have no clue whom they are in Him because they too busy trying to buy what can't be bought and selling what can't be sold and claiming it to be preaching.

Only one who says that ain't what the Lord means when the Lord says something is Satan himself..

I'm j.s.

Many refuse the peaceful waters they rather the chaos and ways of the world

Hope all's well.

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Twistie said:

Sadly many forget that It is finished..many walk in the shadows of what was instead of what is.. following ways of man.. I think many don't even get that The Lord Speaks to His children every day anytime they decide to take counsel with Him..
Many have no clue whom they are in Him because they too busy trying to buy what can't be bought and selling what can't be sold and claiming it to be preaching.

Only one who says that ain't what the Lord means when the Lord says something is Satan himself..

I'm j.s.

Many refuse the peaceful waters they rather the chaos and ways of the world

Hope all's well.

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I do not know if I will reply too much more towards you, I will see, but you seem not to like God's order.

And the bible does not contradict the bible, rabbi is master teacher, or expert teacher, or a bible doctor, and teacher is teacher, and Paul said he was a teacher, not a rabbi.

And nowhere does God call people to be rabbis, but he does call people to be teachers:

Eph 4:11
(11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

When God said it is finished, he was talking about the power of sin being broken, so that it does not have to reign anymore in a person's life, that is upon receiving Christ.

And yes Christ is with us all the time, but that does not mean he has no order, and it is finished, has nothing to do, with God being a God of disorder.

You may not say this exactly, but you sure are promoting it , in one way or another.

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I do not know if I will reply too much more towards you, I will see, but you seem not to like God's order.

And the bible does not contradict the bible, rabbi is master teacher, or expert teacher, or a bible doctor, and teacher is teacher, and Paul said he was a teacher, not a rabbi.

And nowhere does God call people to be rabbis, but he does call people to be teachers:

Eph 4:11
(11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

When God said it is finished, he was talking about the power of sin being broken, so that it does not have to reign anymore in a person's life, that is upon receiving Christ.

And yes Christ is with us all the time, but that does not mean he has no order, and it is finished, has nothing to do, with God being a God of disorder.

You may not say this exactly, but you sure are promoting it , in one way or another.

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So you think grown men need to teach grown men how to act in the ways of God?. Is it because these grown men can not read the Word for themselves or is it because you believe some grown men are dumber then others n therefore need another grown man to tell them what the Word says??...
Yea Abba is a God of order but man for the most part have become so filled with themselves they they believe God needs them not the other way around..

Lord says what He means means what He says...

Them temples keep people spiritually immature and an immature tree can not produce fruit..

I'm j.s.

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Twistie said:

So you think grown men need to teach grown men how to act in the ways of God?. Is it because these grown men can not read the Word for themselves or is it because you believe some grown men are dumber then others n therefore need another grown man to tell them what the Word says??...
Yea Abba is a God of order but man for the most part have become so filled with themselves they they believe God needs them not the other way around..

Lord says what He means means what He says...

Them temples keep people spiritually immature and an immature tree can not produce fruit..

I'm j.s.

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Never ever did I once talked about the building being the temple, and yes God calls men to teach men through the Holy Spirit, for the bible says this:

Eph 4:11-12
(11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
(12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Now does that mean we just blindly follow what a man says ? No.

You need to be like a Berean, and we depend on the Holy Ghost to show us truth, but also we allow men to teach us truth, through the Holy Ghost, we either accept all of his word, and implement it all, or none of it.

1Jn 2:27
(27) But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

We do not depend upon men to teach us, we depend upon the Holy Ghost to show us, and we study it ourselves but that does not mean we do not need the 5 fold ministry, for God gave them to us for our perfection, and they should be teaching through the Holy Ghost.

We should never use one verse, and pit it against another verse, sometimes we become so prideful, that some say, how dare you teach me, but we can learn from pastors, and from each other, let us not get prideful, for it is pride that wants to reduce what God says, and what God gave.

And Twistie do you have something against men ?