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The Love Many Shall Wax Cold

What you were talking about is a Great Day for certain as it talks about the return of the Lord and all the hosts of Heaven including those who have died in the Tribulation.

But what I'm talking about is not the return of Jesus. I'm talking about the Great Day of the Lord, the day that's spoken about in The Book of Joel which is the same thing as the breaking the Sixth Seal.

To get the fullness of this you must read Joel chapter 2 and chapter 3: 1-4

The passage talks about the army of the North Margin on Israel and if you read Joel chapter 2 verse 10. It reads "as they come on" meaning that when they step into Israel, the earth quakes the sky's tremble and the Sun and Moon grow dark and the Stars lose their brilliance.

God makes his voice heard.

God calls everyone to come to him. But this is not the end of the world this is the grace before the Tribulation
My quote does not include the return of Jesus, it is why i say the scripture is talking 2 different events.

The Great Day of the Sixth Seal says nothing about the return of Jesus nor the saints returning. It only refers to God making himself known.

God making Himself known to every man woman and child is not the same as the Second Coming.

Remember how the Father made himself known when Jesus came out of the Water when baptised by John the Baptist.

For me this makes sense for another reason as well, having to do with the mark of the beast. Because what the scripture says about the mark. If you recieve it, it is an auto sentence to hell.

There has to be something that shows the world this is against the will of God. It would not be enough just to say it is in scripture or the idea God creates people to fail, or God creates people for Hell. That concept is just retarded.

It has to be a choice, our choice.
 
My quote does not include the return of Jesus, it is why i say the scripture is talking 2 different events.

The Great Day of the Sixth Seal says nothing about the return of Jesus nor the saints returning. It only refers to God making himself known.

God making Himself known to every man woman and child is not the same as the Second Coming.

Remember how the Father made himself known when Jesus came out of the Water when baptised by John the Baptist.

For me this makes sense for another reason as well, having to do with the mark of the beast. Because what the scripture says about the mark. If you recieve it, it is an auto sentence to hell.

There has to be something that shows the world this is against the will of God. It would not be enough just to say it is in scripture or the idea God creates people to fail, or God creates people for Hell. That concept is just retarded.

It has to be a choice, our choice.
When you quoted Joel 2 Chapter that brought in the Great day of the lord. You should of quoted from Revelation the six chapter or something. But the end of the six seal starts to open the door for Jesus second coming. Sound like you talking about the great tribulation, you should just plainly say that, and quote (copy and paste) from the Bible what you saying.
 
When you quoted Joel 2 Chapter that brought in the Great day of the lord. You should of quoted from Revelation the six chapter or something. But the end of the six seal starts to open the door for Jesus second coming. Sound like you talking about the great tribulation, you should just plainly say that, and quote (copy and paste) from the Bible what you saying.
I will go get the quotes in a moment
 
"The apostle John, (1John: 4:20) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? As we can see, God condemns those who claim to love Him while they hate their brothers. "

This is exactly what I am talking about when I say that the Catholics and the Protestants need to learn to love each other and forgive each other for whatever offenses there are. We are brothers and sisters in God
UNITY MEANS NOTHING if it’s not built on truth. Declaring that Catholics and Protestants are “brothers and sisters” overlooks the fact that the Catholic system preaches a false gospel of works, sacraments and submission to Rome, not faith in the finished work of Christ. Galatians 1: 8 says if anyone preaches another gospel, “let him be accursed.” Not hatred. Scripture.

We’re not called to unity with false gospels. We’re called to contend for the faith (Jude 1:3). Love without truth is empty. And truth without love is harsh. But biblical love must confront error.

If we really love our brothers, we’ll call them out of deception, not hold hands with it.
 
Surely most Christian loves God the Father Almighty! Surely most Christians love their Savior, Jesus Christ! But does every Christian wants to live by what Jesus says in (Luke:4:4) And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. How absolute is every word brother to sister. Now let's go take a look and see some of these things that we have to deal with at the end times we live in right now brothers and sisters. Because Jesus says in Matthew 24: 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord.

The reference point for Christians is the Bible, the revelation of God to mankind and source book for God's commands to us, known as the divine Law. God's laws are holy and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (Romans:7:12). They are the instructions for the way we should conduct our lives. Yet throughout history we see people trying to side-step the laws of God. Even today many Christian churches do not place as much emphasis on observing God's law as they do on ‘love’. But the fact is, we need both!

Jesus the Lawgiver

The apostle John, (1John: 4:20) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? As we can see, God condemns those who claim to love Him while they hate their brothers. Again in, (1John:3:14) it states We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. We need to seriously take this to heart especially in these days when we see communities dividing into factions.

Concerning the observance of the Law we find the following, (1John: 2:4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. How can anyone claim to know God yet teach that it is not necessary to obey His laws?
You’re confusing Old Covenant law with New Covenant truth. Yes, Jesus said, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” (Luke 4: 4), but that does not mean returning everyone to the law of Moses. The NT is crystal clear. We do not live under the law, we live under grace (Romans 6:14). But that’s not the same as saying, “Don’t let the law bother you.” It means we do not obey God by gripping onto a tablet of stone, but by the power of the Spirit.

You quoted 1 John 2: 4, but you’re interpreting it through the wrong grid. John is not exhorting us to live under the old legal code. He’s commanding us to obey Christ. The very same John goes on to say just what that looks like. “This is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another” (1 John 3:23). The commandments we keep now are the ones He spoke from heaven, not those He spoke from Mount Sinai.

Romans 7: 12 says, “The law is holy,” but the whole chapter points out that the law also is bringing death, because our flesh cannot keep it. That’s why Jesus came to fulfill it (Matthew 5: 17), nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14), and now gives us a new way to walk: “the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:2).

Law without gospel brings bondage. Love without truth brings deception. What we need is the gospel that transforms the heart and produces the fruit of obedience, not outward rule-keeping, but inward transformation.

If you want to last to the end, stop trying to blend the covenants. Believe the gospel. Walk in the Spirit. Obey Christ. And rest in the fact that His grace is what saves, not your ability to keep the law. (Galatians 3:3, Ephesians 2:8–9)
 
UNITY MEANS NOTHING if it’s not built on truth. Declaring that Catholics and Protestants are “brothers and sisters” overlooks the fact that the Catholic system preaches a false gospel of works, sacraments and submission to Rome, not faith in the finished work of Christ. Galatians 1: 8 says if anyone preaches another gospel, “let him be accursed.” Not hatred. Scripture.

We’re not called to unity with false gospels. We’re called to contend for the faith (Jude 1:3). Love without truth is empty. And truth without love is harsh. But biblical love must confront error.

If we really love our brothers, we’ll call them out of deception, not hold hands with it.
You are close, just half way.

Do you even know what the word Works represents? The word "Works", is not talking about digging a hole, or shoveling snow, or breaking leaves or building a building or any of that kind of thing. Although you can do The Bible Works as shoveling snow and building this etc.

What Scriptural Works are, is Jesus working through you. It is a matter of the Heart.

You see, love is an action. If you say you love, and do nothing. Then as Paul says, your faith is like a gong clanging in the wind. Faith without Love is not God's faith.

Works is doing for others, because you love Jesus.

Do you remember in the scripture where the man says to the king. But Lord I cast out demons in your name, I healed people in your name. And the King said away from me I never knew you. It's because the man had no love.

And remember what those other people did? When the king said come, come with me. And they said, but what did we do. And the King said to them you fed the hungry, you clothed the naked, you helped the sick.

You see, the Lord was not looking for people with just faith, he was looking for the action of Love towards others.

It is written in the scripture that you can only find your salvation through faith. And that is correct. Because our Salvation is Jesus. But now we need to do something, now that we found Jesus we need to do something. We need to ask Jesus to come into our hearts. We need to accept Jesus. Just because we look at Jesus does not say that we're saved. You can scream from the mountain tops that I'm a Christian, but if you don't receive Jesus into your heart then you're nothing.

Even the thief on the cross showed compassion towards Jesus. (compassion is a form of love) Look at the two thieves carefully. The two that hung on crosses next to Jesus. The one Thief had compassion, where are the other Thief had none. They both knew who Jesus was. But that didn't help them it was the compassion that brought the one Thief to be with Jesus in Paradise.

In your very own words, and you prove what I am talking about.
" The very same John goes on to say just what that looks like. “This is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another” (1 John 3:23). "

Yes indeed. To believe in the name of the Son, to have faith in the Son, Jesus Christ. And to 'Love' one another.
 
You are close, just half way.

Do you even know what the word Works represents? The word "Works", is not talking about digging a hole, or shoveling snow, or breaking leaves or building a building or any of that kind of thing. Although you can do The Bible Works as shoveling snow and building this etc.

What Scriptural Works are, is Jesus working through you. It is a matter of the Heart.

You see, love is an action. If you say you love, and do nothing. Then as Paul says, your faith is like a gong clanging in the wind. Faith without Love is not God's faith.

Works is doing for others, because you love Jesus.

Do you remember in the scripture where the man says to the king. But Lord I cast out demons in your name, I healed people in your name. And the King said away from me I never knew you. It's because the man had no love.

And remember what those other people did? When the king said come, come with me. And they said, but what did we do. And the King said to them you fed the hungry, you clothed the naked, you helped the sick.

You see, the Lord was not looking for people with just faith, he was looking for the action of Love towards others.

It is written in the scripture that you can only find your salvation through faith. And that is correct. Because our Salvation is Jesus. But now we need to do something, now that we found Jesus we need to do something. We need to ask Jesus to come into our hearts. We need to accept Jesus. Just because we look at Jesus does not say that we're saved. You can scream from the mountain tops that I'm a Christian, but if you don't receive Jesus into your heart then you're nothing.

Even the thief on the cross showed compassion towards Jesus. (compassion is a form of love) Look at the two thieves carefully. The two that hung on crosses next to Jesus. The one Thief had compassion, where are the other Thief had none. They both knew who Jesus was. But that didn't help them it was the compassion that brought the one Thief to be with Jesus in Paradise.

In your very own words, and you prove what I am talking about.
" The very same John goes on to say just what that looks like. “This is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another” (1 John 3:23). "

Yes indeed. To believe in the name of the Son, to have faith in the Son, Jesus Christ. And to 'Love' one another.
You are making a huge mess of things by mixing fruit with root. Love and good works are the fruit of salvation, not the root or cause of it. No one is saved by their love for others. That’s not what Scripture says. The Bible is clear: “By grace are ye saved through faith… not of works” (Ephesians 2:8–9). And just one verse later it says, “we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works” (Ephesians 2:10). Good works are the result of being saved, not the means to get there.

You tell me “works are not a thing I do, they are simply Jesus working through me.” But then you turn around and tell me if someone is not loving enough, they are not saved. That’s the very error the Catholic system teaches: a mix of grace and works called faith. It’s not the gospel, it’s a counterfeit.

The thief on the cross was not saved because he had compassion on Jesus. He was saved because he believed on Christ. “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise,” said Jesus, “not after he loved enough, not after he served enough, but because he trusted Him” (Luke 23:42–43).

Stop perverting Scripture to accommodate a works-based mindset. The command in 1 John 3: 23 is to believe and to love, but believing is what saves you. Loving is what proves you are saved. Don’t reverse that, or you have gutted the gospel and replaced it with a to-do list.

The gospel is not “faith plus love equals salvation.” It is faith alone in Christ alone and the love flows from that. If you do not get that right, you will continue to preach a false gospel no matter how nice it sounds.
 
You are making a huge mess of things by mixing fruit with root. Love and good works are the fruit of salvation, not the root or cause of it. No one is saved by their love for others. That’s not what Scripture says. The Bible is clear: “By grace are ye saved through faith… not of works” (Ephesians 2:8–9). And just one verse later it says, “we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works” (Ephesians 2:10). Good works are the result of being saved, not the means to get there.

You tell me “works are not a thing I do, they are simply Jesus working through me.” But then you turn around and tell me if someone is not loving enough, they are not saved. That’s the very error the Catholic system teaches: a mix of grace and works called faith. It’s not the gospel, it’s a counterfeit.

The thief on the cross was not saved because he had compassion on Jesus. He was saved because he believed on Christ. “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise,” said Jesus, “not after he loved enough, not after he served enough, but because he trusted Him” (Luke 23:42–43).

Stop perverting Scripture to accommodate a works-based mindset. The command in 1 John 3: 23 is to believe and to love, but believing is what saves you. Loving is what proves you are saved. Don’t reverse that, or you have gutted the gospel and replaced it with a to-do list.

The gospel is not “faith plus love equals salvation.” It is faith alone in Christ alone and the love flows from that. If you do not get that right, you will continue to preach a false gospel no matter how nice it sounds.
God loved Enoch and he took him. Did Enoch know Jesus? He did!
 
You’re confusing Old Covenant law with New Covenant truth. Yes, Jesus said, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” (Luke 4: 4), but that does not mean returning everyone to the law of Moses. The NT is crystal clear. We do not live under the law, we live under grace (Romans 6:14). But that’s not the same as saying, “Don’t let the law bother you.” It means we do not obey God by gripping onto a tablet of stone, but by the power of the Spirit.

You quoted 1 John 2: 4, but you’re interpreting it through the wrong grid. John is not exhorting us to live under the old legal code. He’s commanding us to obey Christ. The very same John goes on to say just what that looks like. “This is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another” (1 John 3:23). The commandments we keep now are the ones He spoke from heaven, not those He spoke from Mount Sinai.

Romans 7: 12 says, “The law is holy,” but the whole chapter points out that the law also is bringing death, because our flesh cannot keep it. That’s why Jesus came to fulfill it (Matthew 5: 17), nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14), and now gives us a new way to walk: “the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:2).

Law without gospel brings bondage. Love without truth brings deception. What we need is the gospel that transforms the heart and produces the fruit of obedience, not outward rule-keeping, but inward transformation.

If you want to last to the end, stop trying to blend the covenants. Believe the gospel. Walk in the Spirit. Obey Christ. And rest in the fact that His grace is what saves, not your ability to keep the law. (Galatians 3:3, Ephesians 2:8–9)
When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold,
I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).
 
God loved Enoch and he took him. Did Enoch know Jesus? He did!
No, that’s a complete deflection. You are bringing Enoch into this to avoid the point. No one said Old Testament saints did not know God, but salvation has never been by vague love or “being good enough.” Enoch “walked with God” (Genesis 5: 24) and Hebrews 11:5–6 says it was by faith that he pleased God. That is the point of the whole chapter, faith, not works.

Enoch was not saved because he was lovable or loving. Enoch was saved because he believed and obeyed God’s revelation at the time. God’s revelation today is complete in His Son, and now “there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). That name is Jesus.

If you are trying to bring up Enoch to say that we do not need faith in Jesus today in order to be saved, you are dead wrong. That’s how people come to preach a universalist lie instead of the gospel. Jesus said, “No man cometh unto the Father but by me” (John 14:6) and that is true today. Right now. To everyone.

Stop trying to find side-door examples to get around the front door of truth. The gospel is clear: we are saved by grace through faith in Christ, not love, not law, not lineage. Enoch did not contradict that. You are.
 
When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold,
I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).
You’re confusing grace and law, and that is leading to deception instead of truth. You begin well by acknowledging the sacrificial system anticipated Christ, that is accurate (Hebrews 10:1–10). But then you come full circle into the very same snare that Paul condemned: attempting to mix faith in Jesus with law-keeping in order to escape judgment.

Let’s be honest. The “moral law” is not a separate system which you can arbitrarily reintroduce and impose on believers after graciously admitting that the sacrificial law has been fulfilled. Scripture says “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth” (Romans 10:4). Not just the ceremonial law, the entire law. We are now in the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), not under the law of Moses.

You use Hebrews 10: 26–27 to intimidate people into obedience, but you neglect the context. That passage is not about a believer who loses their salvation by violating the law. It is about those who have spurned the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ and are therefore still under the condemnation of the law. Hebrews 10: 29 says “trodden under foot the Son of God”, that is not someone who has stumbled and failed to keep a law. That is someone who is rejecting Christ’s blood.

And no, Revelation 22:12 does not teach salvation by works. Jesus does indeed reward every man “according as his work shall be,” but the gift of eternal life is received by grace through faith, not by works (Ephesians 2:8–9). There is a blessing for the saved, and a judgment for the lost, and the dividing line is whether you believed the gospel, not whether you perfectly keep a moral checklist.

You’re attempting to re-imprison people after Jesus has broken the door down. The law can never sanctify a single person. Only the Holy Spirit can. Romans 8: 3–4 says the law was weak through the flesh, but God has done what the law could not do by His own Son.

Stop misleading people. Yes, obey Christ , but do not drag the old covenant into the new. If you’re in Christ, then you are not under the law (Romans 6:14). You walk by the Spirit, and the fruit is holiness, not fear, not bondage, and not salvation based on law-keeping.

Repent of the mixture gospel or you will end up preaching death instead of life.
 
No, that’s a complete deflection. You are bringing Enoch into this to avoid the point. No one said Old Testament saints did not know God, but salvation has never been by vague love or “being good enough.” Enoch “walked with God” (Genesis 5: 24) and Hebrews 11:5–6 says it was by faith that he pleased God. That is the point of the whole chapter, faith, not works.

Enoch was not saved because he was lovable or loving. Enoch was saved because he believed and obeyed God’s revelation at the time. God’s revelation today is complete in His Son, and now “there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). That name is Jesus.

If you are trying to bring up Enoch to say that we do not need faith in Jesus today in order to be saved, you are dead wrong. That’s how people come to preach a universalist lie instead of the gospel. Jesus said, “No man cometh unto the Father but by me” (John 14:6) and that is true today. Right now. To everyone.

Stop trying to find side-door examples to get around the front door of truth. The gospel is clear: we are saved by grace through faith in Christ, not love, not law, not lineage. Enoch did not contradict that. You are.
Exactly, no one comes to the Father but by me. What is God. Scripture states, God is Love. When you accept Jesus as Lord, you recieve Jesus into your heart, not your head.

Paul tells us we need to have our hearts circumcised.

Scripture tells us, where are hearts are , our treasure will be too.

First commandment, love God with all your heart. Second commandment love your neighbor as yourself

If faith is greater than love, why isn't it a commandment.

You need faith to bring you to Jesus.

Listen to what Jesus says repeatedly, your faith has saved you, your faith has saved you, your faith has saved you.

This was to all the people who came to Jesus. But they also had to recieve Jesus. Many via healing.

The lady with the hemorrhage. She believed all she had to do was touch Jesus, and she was healed. And Jesus sought her out. He said to her your faith has saved you. Because her faith brought her to Jesus. And she received him.

The same with all who sought out Jesus, they too had to recieve Him.

It is faith that brings us to Jesus, and it it God's love that cleanses our sins.

Jesus did not die on the cross because of faith, he died on the cross because he loved us.
 
Exactly, no one comes to the Father but by me. What is God. Scripture states, God is Love. When you accept Jesus as Lord, you recieve Jesus into your heart, not your head.

Paul tells us we need to have our hearts circumcised.

Scripture tells us, where are hearts are , our treasure will be too.

First commandment, love God with all your heart. Second commandment love your neighbor as yourself

If faith is greater than love, why isn't it a commandment.

You need faith to bring you to Jesus.

Listen to what Jesus says repeatedly, your faith has saved you, your faith has saved you, your faith has saved you.

This was to all the people who came to Jesus. But they also had to recieve Jesus. Many via healing.

The lady with the hemorrhage. She believed all she had to do was touch Jesus, and she was healed. And Jesus sought her out. He said to her your faith has saved you. Because her faith brought her to Jesus. And she received him.

The same with all who sought out Jesus, they too had to recieve Him.

It is faith that brings us to Jesus, and it it God's love that cleanses our sins.

Jesus did not die on the cross because of faith, he died on the cross because he loved us.
You’re conflating ideas. Yes, God is love (1 John 4: 8), and yes, Jesus came to the cross out of love for us, but love didn’t atone for your sins, the blood of Jesus did. Love sent Him, but His death paid the penalty that satisfied the wrath of God (Isaiah 53:10, Romans 3:25). That’s the distinction you’re glossing right over.

And faith is “not less than” love because it’s not one of the Ten Commandments. Bad logic. Faith is the means by which we receive the gift of salvation, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). Love is the fruit of salvation, not the cause of it. You’re putting the cart before the horse.

Jesus did say, “Your faith has saved you” to those coming to Him, but notice, it was not nebulous belief in goodness. It was faith in Him. That woman with the hemorrhage did not get saved by emotion or sincerity, she got saved because she believed in who Jesus was and acted on it. That’s not universalism, that’s personal faith in Christ.

And let’s be clear: you said, “It is God’s love that cleanses our sins.” No. That sounds really nice, but it’s not true. “The blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin” (1 John 1:7). Love sent the Lamb, but it’s the blood that atones.

So yes, faith brings us to Jesus, but if someone does not come to the real Jesus, crucified and risen, then they’re still lost. You cannot preach love without the cross and you cannot get to God without the Son. That’s the gospel.

Stop retrofitting it to match your own theology. Jesus is the way, not just the warm fuzzy idea of Him. (John 14:6)
 
You’re confusing grace and law, and that is leading to deception instead of truth. You begin well by acknowledging the sacrificial system anticipated Christ, that is accurate (Hebrews 10:1–10). But then you come full circle into the very same snare that Paul condemned: attempting to mix faith in Jesus with law-keeping in order to escape judgment.

Let’s be honest. The “moral law” is not a separate system which you can arbitrarily reintroduce and impose on believers after graciously admitting that the sacrificial law has been fulfilled. Scripture says “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth” (Romans 10:4). Not just the ceremonial law, the entire law. We are now in the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), not under the law of Moses.

You use Hebrews 10: 26–27 to intimidate people into obedience, but you neglect the context. That passage is not about a believer who loses their salvation by violating the law. It is about those who have spurned the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ and are therefore still under the condemnation of the law. Hebrews 10: 29 says “trodden under foot the Son of God”, that is not someone who has stumbled and failed to keep a law. That is someone who is rejecting Christ’s blood.

And no, Revelation 22:12 does not teach salvation by works. Jesus does indeed reward every man “according as his work shall be,” but the gift of eternal life is received by grace through faith, not by works (Ephesians 2:8–9). There is a blessing for the saved, and a judgment for the lost, and the dividing line is whether you believed the gospel, not whether you perfectly keep a moral checklist.

You’re attempting to re-imprison people after Jesus has broken the door down. The law can never sanctify a single person. Only the Holy Spirit can. Romans 8: 3–4 says the law was weak through the flesh, but God has done what the law could not do by His own Son.

Stop misleading people. Yes, obey Christ , but do not drag the old covenant into the new. If you’re in Christ, then you are not under the law (Romans 6:14). You walk by the Spirit, and the fruit is holiness, not fear, not bondage, and not salvation based on law-keeping.

Repent of the mixture gospel or you will end up preaching death instead of life.
I'm not confusing anything, you not understanding what's written. I see you don't understand what law we not under and what law still on the table. God had Peter to clearly warn people about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, you can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a handful of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

Paul is using Abraham in Romans 4: 1-5 to make a point of the faith you need, just like Paul wrote in Hebrews 11, about Abraham. (v.17) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that received the promises offered up his only begotten son. Now here is the father of the faithful, and how did he show God the he had faith in him? By his works! This is merely saying that
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4). That's what Abraham did, and that was his works. Abraham didn't do the works of a Priest like in the days of Moses, in those days there were two laws given to Moses, they were the Commandments and the Sacrificial law. But the works Abraham did is what we must do, which is give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must repent and be taught "The Word", of God's and keep his Commandments (judgments\statues). These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins and then you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38).
 
Let’s go to John 8: 1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. 2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 they say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her,
Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

We see the Pharisee having a double stared here, they brought the woman and not the man. This was very wrong and hypocritical. A woman can’t commit adultery by herself. They both were to be brought to be stone, not just her.
 
Let’s go to Luke 7: 36 And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat. 37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, 38 and stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment. 39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

40 And Jesus answering said unto him,
Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. 41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. 42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? 43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. 45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. 46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment. 47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. 48 And he said unto her,
Thy sins are forgiven. 49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? 50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

So the Lord brought forth a good an example on forgiveness, because the woman showed fruits of repentance and was forgiven.
 
I'm not confusing anything, you not understanding what's written. I see you don't understand what law we not under and what law still on the table. God had Peter to clearly warn people about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, you can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a handful of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

Paul is using Abraham in Romans 4: 1-5 to make a point of the faith you need, just like Paul wrote in Hebrews 11, about Abraham. (v.17) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that received the promises offered up his only begotten son. Now here is the father of the faithful, and how did he show God the he had faith in him? By his works! This is merely saying that
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4). That's what Abraham did, and that was his works. Abraham didn't do the works of a Priest like in the days of Moses, in those days there were two laws given to Moses, they were the Commandments and the Sacrificial law. But the works Abraham did is what we must do, which is give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must repent and be taught "The Word", of God's and keep his Commandments (judgments\statues). These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins and then you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38).
You are not dividing the Word of truth rightly. You are twisting Scripture rather than reading it as God really meant it. You may claim to hold to all of God’s Word, but you are misusing it to reintroduce a works gospel that God has already condemned.

Your entire argument is based on the premise that believers must keep the law in order to be saved. That is not what the Bible teaches. Romans 3:20 says plainly, “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.” And again in Galatians 2:21, “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” The law was never intended to save anyone. It was intended to be a mirror to show them their sin, not a ladder to climb to heaven (Romans 3:19–20).

You quoted 2 Peter 3:15–16 to insinuate that Paul’s writings are suspect, but Peter did not say that Paul was in error. He said that some men will twist his words to their own destruction, just as they do the other Scriptures. That means Peter put Paul’s writings on the same level as all Scripture. That passage is a warning against false teachers like you who twist the gospel by misunderstanding Paul and attempting to force believers back under the law.

You quoted Abraham to make your point, but you missed the whole teaching of Romans 4. Paul says plainly, “If Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God” (Romans 4:2). He then makes it very clear that Abraham was counted righteous through faith alone, “before he was circumcised” (Romans 4:10). His works were a fruit of his faith, not the reason he was made righteous. You are confusing fruit with root.

You quote Matthew 4:4 about living by every word that comes from the mouth of God, but then you turn a deaf ear to the clearest words about the gospel: “The just shall live by faith” (Romans 1:17), “Not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:9), and “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace” (Galatians 5:4).

Your definition of “repentance” is also wrong. Repentance is a turning to God in faith and a change of mind about sin, not a requirement to keep the law first before you are worthy to be baptized. That is works. The Bible says plainly, “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness” (Romans 4:5). You are front loading the gospel with obedience to the law, which is not the gospel at all.

In Acts 2: 38 we are to repent and be baptized, but Peter was speaking to Jews who had just rejected the Messiah and were being called to faith in Him. They weren’t being told to keep the Old Covenant law before receiving the Holy Spirit, they were being told to turn to Jesus Christ.

You are preaching a mixed gospel of grace plus law, faith plus works, Jesus plus Moses, and Paul condemned that in Galatians 1:6–9. That is not just an error, it is a false gospel. The Word of God says, “You are not under the law, but under grace” (Romans 6:14). The law condemns. Christ saves.

Repent of this mixture. Christ is enough. Believe the gospel. Trust His finished work. Don’t add to it, or you nullify it.
 
You are not dividing the Word of truth rightly. You are twisting Scripture rather than reading it as God really meant it. You may claim to hold to all of God’s Word, but you are misusing it to reintroduce a works gospel that God has already condemned.

Your entire argument is based on the premise that believers must keep the law in order to be saved. That is not what the Bible teaches. Romans 3:20 says plainly, “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.” And again in Galatians 2:21, “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” The law was never intended to save anyone. It was intended to be a mirror to show them their sin, not a ladder to climb to heaven (Romans 3:19–20).

You quoted 2 Peter 3:15–16 to insinuate that Paul’s writings are suspect, but Peter did not say that Paul was in error. He said that some men will twist his words to their own destruction, just as they do the other Scriptures. That means Peter put Paul’s writings on the same level as all Scripture. That passage is a warning against false teachers like you who twist the gospel by misunderstanding Paul and attempting to force believers back under the law.

You quoted Abraham to make your point, but you missed the whole teaching of Romans 4. Paul says plainly, “If Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God” (Romans 4:2). He then makes it very clear that Abraham was counted righteous through faith alone, “before he was circumcised” (Romans 4:10). His works were a fruit of his faith, not the reason he was made righteous. You are confusing fruit with root.

You quote Matthew 4:4 about living by every word that comes from the mouth of God, but then you turn a deaf ear to the clearest words about the gospel: “The just shall live by faith” (Romans 1:17), “Not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:9), and “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace” (Galatians 5:4).

Your definition of “repentance” is also wrong. Repentance is a turning to God in faith and a change of mind about sin, not a requirement to keep the law first before you are worthy to be baptized. That is works. The Bible says plainly, “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness” (Romans 4:5). You are front loading the gospel with obedience to the law, which is not the gospel at all.

In Acts 2: 38 we are to repent and be baptized, but Peter was speaking to Jews who had just rejected the Messiah and were being called to faith in Him. They weren’t being told to keep the Old Covenant law before receiving the Holy Spirit, they were being told to turn to Jesus Christ.

You are preaching a mixed gospel of grace plus law, faith plus works, Jesus plus Moses, and Paul condemned that in Galatians 1:6–9. That is not just an error, it is a false gospel. The Word of God says, “You are not under the law, but under grace” (Romans 6:14). The law condemns. Christ saves.

Repent of this mixture. Christ is enough. Believe the gospel. Trust His finished work. Don’t add to it, or you nullify it.
When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold,
I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).

The commandments of God are not hard to keep (I John 5:3) and furthermore, they teach us love in the highest degree.
If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15). You will not displease the Lord by: Worshipping other gods, having graven images, taking his name in vain, breaking his Sabbath day (which is Saturday not Sunday), or dishonoring your parents. On the other hand, if you love your neighbor as yourself you will not kill him, commit adultery with his spouse, steal from him, falsely accuse him, or covet anything of his. Stop committing fornication.

This is true love, and if obeyed how much better would our world be? This is why Jesus said that the
two greatest commandments are loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind; and loving your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:35-40). These two commandments are the foundation of the entire law. Many reject the law, but it is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 7:12) even today.
 
When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold,
I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).

The commandments of God are not hard to keep (I John 5:3) and furthermore, they teach us love in the highest degree.
If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15). You will not displease the Lord by: Worshipping other gods, having graven images, taking his name in vain, breaking his Sabbath day (which is Saturday not Sunday), or dishonoring your parents. On the other hand, if you love your neighbor as yourself you will not kill him, commit adultery with his spouse, steal from him, falsely accuse him, or covet anything of his. Stop committing fornication.

This is true love, and if obeyed how much better would our world be? This is why Jesus said that the
two greatest commandments are loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind; and loving your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:35-40). These two commandments are the foundation of the entire law. Many reject the law, but it is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 7:12) even today.
It is difficult to talk with others when some take the Bible so literally. And many people forget that the Bible that they read may not have the same words in it that another person's Bible has . Like the words in the King James Bible are not the same as the American Bible . And it doesn't mean that the one Bible is any better than the other it's just the translation is different.

Another bad thing too when preachers ( and priests) don't work on a whole understanding of what is being meant in the scripture. Because some understanding of scripture goes a little deeper than just one phrase or one paragraph. The understanding of what the law is as you described is a good example of that.
 
When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold,
I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).

The commandments of God are not hard to keep (I John 5:3) and furthermore, they teach us love in the highest degree.
If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15). You will not displease the Lord by: Worshipping other gods, having graven images, taking his name in vain, breaking his Sabbath day (which is Saturday not Sunday), or dishonoring your parents. On the other hand, if you love your neighbor as yourself you will not kill him, commit adultery with his spouse, steal from him, falsely accuse him, or covet anything of his. Stop committing fornication.

This is true love, and if obeyed how much better would our world be? This is why Jesus said that the
two greatest commandments are loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind; and loving your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:35-40). These two commandments are the foundation of the entire law. Many reject the law, but it is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 7:12) even today.
Not at all, you are still blending the Old Covenant with the New. The law is not partially suspended so that we can pick and choose which commandments we want to follow. James 2: 10 says, “For if anyone keeps the whole law but fails in one point, he has become guilty of all.” You quoted the book of Hebrews, yet you skipped Hebrews 8:13 which says the Old Covenant is passing away. Christ is the end of the law for righteousness (Romans 10: 4), and 2 Corinthians 3 says the Ten Commandments are “the ministration of death” that is being done away with.

Revelation 22: 12 is not evidence for salvation by works of law. Yes, works are important, but for the sake of rewards, not for salvation. Salvation is a free gift (Ephesians 2: 8–9), and you are perverting it when you make it conditional on keeping commandments that were given to Israel, but not to the Church.

You have been shown this already. If you continue to preach a blended law/grace system, you are renouncing the gospel and putting yourself under the curse (Galatians 1:6–9, 5:4). This is not a minor mistake. This is another gospel altogether.
 
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