B-A-C said:

This is a core Christian doctrine, one of the few agreed upon by almost every denomination.

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Rhema said:

Were you aware that the Gospel according to Matthew was written (authored) in Hebrew?

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The Gospel of Christ said:

For over 100 years, Dispensationalism has led Christians to believe that Christ did not fulfill the prophecies of the Old Testament, thus making the modern state of Israel a required piece in God’s unfinished plan — a doctrine completely at odds with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

They’ve been led to believe that Christians and Jews worship the same God — as if the only difference is that Jews just don’t accept Jesus as the Messiah. But that’s not a small difference — that’s the defining line between truth and total rejection of Christ. The god of modern Judaism explicitly rejects Christ, making it impossible to claim we worship the same God.

The Talmud says that Christ was a “sorcerer who is now burning in hell in a cauldron of boiling human excrement” (Gittin 57a). So they, Talmudic Jews, are openly anti-Christ. Their god doesn’t like Jesus Christ — in fact, he loathes him and everything he represents. These aren’t minor theological disagreements — they’re explicit rejections and blasphemies against Christ. Judaism doesn’t just deny Jesus as the Messiah; it curses him and teaches that his eternal punishment is absolutely justified.

Catching on yet?

They worship the antithesis of Jesus Christ — which would be THE ANTICHRIST, whose father is SATAN.

If we both follow the religion of Abraham, and you think that my God is “burning in hell,” then who is your god? It sure as damnation itself isn’t the Christian God. No — that would be impossible. It’s the opposite of the Christian God. And he who is the opposite of the Christian God, is the devil.

Jesus called the Jews “the children of the devil” (John 8:44) and to a Christian — Talmudic Jews are; all of them. To any true follower of Jesus Christ, Talmudic Judaism isn’t just a different religion — it’s the throne of Satan on Earth. It is the spiritual infrastructure of the Antichrist. It’s not about some wannabe satanists trying to put up a Baphomet statue at an elementary school; — it’s Judaism itself that is the global church of Satan. They are the real deal.

Let’s stop pretending. If you reject Jesus Christ and wait for another messiah, you're not neutral — you're preparing the world for the Antichrist, the son of Satan. And if you're a Christian who defends that (and the Rothschilds' manufactured state of Israel), you're not courageous or compassionate — you're spiritually sedated and complicit in betrayal. Whatever you claim, you are not a follower of the Gospel of Jesus Christ — you're in open rebellion against him. Jesus called his followers "the true Israel". It's not a land. It's not a place. It’s the Body of Christ. According to Scripture, the true "Israel" is made up of those who follow Jesus Christ.

According to Jesus, physical descent from Abraham does not guarantee being a “child of God”. Those who reject Jesus are rejecting the very God Abraham believed in, which means they are not spiritually Abraham’s children—instead, they are following the devil's deception.


This applies to all people, not just the Jewish leaders Jesus was speaking to. Faith in Jesus, not ancestry, is what makes someone a "child of God".


According to Jesus' words in John 8:39-44, anyone who claims to be a descendant of Abraham but rejects him (Jesus Christ) is not truly a child of Abraham in a spiritual sense—instead, they are following the devil’s deception.


Jesus’ Main Points in John 8:39-44

1. Being a physical descendant of Abraham is not enough
   • “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do what Abraham did.” (John 8:39)
   • True children of Abraham follow Abraham’s faith—and Abraham believed in God’s promises (Genesis 15:6).
   • Since Jesus is the fulfillment of those promises, rejecting Jesus means not following Abraham’s faith.
2. Rejecting Jesus means rejecting God
   • “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God.” (John 8:42)
   • Jesus makes it clear: If someone truly knows God, they will accept him.
   • Those who reject Jesus are not of God and are of the devil, regardless of their lineage.

So, according to Jesus:

• Jews (or any people, for that matter) are not automatically “God's chosen people” just because of their physical lineage. Instead, faith in Jesus Christ is what defines who is truly "God's chosen people" in His eyes.
• In Jesus’ eyes, being part of God's chosen people is not about being born into a certain ethnic group or family (such as being a descendant of Abraham) but about accepting Jesus as the Messiah.

In the context of Jesus' teachings, those who reject Him, regardless of being descendants of Abraham (including the Jewish people), are not part of God's true, spiritual family. Jesus Himself taught that faith in Him alone, is what defines someone as part of "God’s chosen people".

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Rhema said:

I thank you for your judgment, and I forgive you your disdain.

The whole point was that it was NOT the army of Israel that achieved victory, but the hand of God through supernatural means, not just "help" them.

Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.​

- Psalms 20:7 KJV

Rhema

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Rhema said:

Quick question, BAC...
Were you aware that the Gospel according to Matthew was written (authored) in Hebrew?

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B-A-C said:

No I wasn't. What is your source for this.

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Papias of Hierapolis - Wikipedia

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Shem Tob's Hebrew Gospel of Matthew - Wikipedia

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George Howard (Hebraist) - Wikipedia

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Brad Huber said:

God wants me to be a judge down the road.

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Rhema said:

No He doesn't. That's your own pride speaking.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.​

- Matthew 7:1-2 KJV

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:​

- Luke 6:37 KJV

Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.​

- John 8:15 KJV

So you are better than Jesus, eh?

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.​

- John 12:47 KJV

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.​

- John 12:48 KJV

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.​

- Matthew 12:36-37 KJV

By the words of each man shall that man be judged. (Not by you.)

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Brad Huber said:

1 Corinthians 6:2-3

Just another case of your unrighteous judgement. You love to twist scripture to your own desire, not unlike the prince of demons.

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Brad Huber said:

You love to twist scripture to your own desire,

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Rhema said:

I'm not the one rejecting the very words of Jesus to embrace opinions from some mere man.

It's all rather clear:

Judge not, that ye be not judged.​

- Matthew 7:1 KJV

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?​

- Luke 6:46 KJV

And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way? But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest. And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.​

- Mark 9:33-35 KJV

But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.​

- Mark 10:42-44 KJV


I'm not the one who has the desire to judge others.

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Rhema said:

I'm not the one rejecting the very words of Jesus to embrace opinions from some mere man.

Rhema

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KingJ said:

Joy, another troll on this site.

The Palestinian population has doubled over the last 20 years, reaching approximately 14.3 million by mid 2022. To suggest Jews wanted to wipe out Palestinians when this fact is true and there being 1.8 million happy and prosperous Muslims in Israel, is simply evidence of the grey matter between your ears no longer working properly.

What is happening there is terrible, but if you are going to pass blame, it is 100% on Hamas and Iran. Jews would prefer to not have to ALWAYS be defending themselves from Muslims who want to see their extinction.

Please try be honest and at least use a brain cell or two.



I believe you are ignorant of the fact that you are on a Christian site.

According to the bible God gave Israel to the Hebrews / Jews and has always protected them.

Imagine not supporting a tiny little country with good God fearing people in it who are surrounded by so many that want to see their extinction.

Jews are not building the temple to mock God. Their intentions are good.

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th1bill said:

The Temple will be built, Matthew 24, Revelation 11, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4. The Gaza situation is dumb and Israel should deal with this in a military manner and remove, forever, the Jew hating Arabs forever.

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Moon888 said:

Brother you are VERY RUDE ... and I am wondering who the "Troll" actually is! How Christian is it to react the way you have done. I do not watch M S M but I do my due dilligence and dig deeply. I DO NOT appreciate a "Christian" talking to me in the way that you have done!

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Moon888 said:

I am new on this site, and was so hoping to find a True Jesus Christ Group of real Christians ... so disappointed with how people speak to each other on this site!

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Rhema said:

If it was stolen, it certainly wasn't protected very well, was it?

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Rhema said:

And if the Mormons endure hardships (and even martyrdom) for their faith? Does that show they're being protected by God?

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Rhema said:

(I might start to like this whole answering questions with questions thing.)

However, while I don't have a link to your post readily at hand, I recall that you believe one can be saved by martyrdom. That seems to show a remarkable ignorance of the main theme of the Old Testament that says "hardships" happens because one does not obey, and that if one DOES obey, God will deliver you.

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Rhema said:

Allow me to rephrase. The prophetic view of the OT clearly states that if BAD things happen, God is punishing you for your disobedience, but will deliver you if you obey. God had the temple destroyed by the Romans because the Jews sinned and had his son murdered.

In other words, if bad things happen, it's because you are not under the protection of God.

But I'm sure you'll post your personal opinion as to why this too is wrong.

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The Gospel of Christ said:

For over 100 years, Dispensationalism has led Christians to believe that Christ did not fulfill the prophecies of the Old Testament, thus making the modern state of Israel a required piece in God’s unfinished plan — a doctrine completely at odds with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

They’ve been led to believe that Christians and Jews worship the same God — as if the only difference is that Jews just don’t accept Jesus as the Messiah. But that’s not a small difference — that’s the defining line between truth and total rejection of Christ. The god of modern Judaism explicitly rejects Christ, making it impossible to claim we worship the same God.

The Talmud says that Christ was a “sorcerer who is now burning in hell in a cauldron of boiling human excrement” (Gittin 57a). So they, Talmudic Jews, are openly anti-Christ. Their god doesn’t like Jesus Christ — in fact, he loathes him and everything he represents. These aren’t minor theological disagreements — they’re explicit rejections and blasphemies against Christ. Judaism doesn’t just deny Jesus as the Messiah; it curses him and teaches that his eternal punishment is absolutely justified.

Catching on yet?

They worship the antithesis of Jesus Christ — which would be THE ANTICHRIST, whose father is SATAN.

If we both follow the religion of Abraham, and you think that my God is “burning in hell,” then who is your god? It sure as damnation itself isn’t the Christian God. No — that would be impossible. It’s the opposite of the Christian God. And he who is the opposite of the Christian God, is the devil.

Jesus called the Jews “the children of the devil” (John 8:44) and to a Christian — Talmudic Jews are; all of them. To any true follower of Jesus Christ, Talmudic Judaism isn’t just a different religion — it’s the throne of Satan on Earth. It is the spiritual infrastructure of the Antichrist. It’s not about some wannabe satanists trying to put up a Baphomet statue at an elementary school; — it’s Judaism itself that is the global church of Satan. They are the real deal.

Let’s stop pretending. If you reject Jesus Christ and wait for another messiah, you're not neutral — you're preparing the world for the Antichrist, the son of Satan. And if you're a Christian who defends that (and the Rothschilds' manufactured state of Israel), you're not courageous or compassionate — you're spiritually sedated and complicit in betrayal. Whatever you claim, you are not a follower of the Gospel of Jesus Christ — you're in open rebellion against him. Jesus called his followers "the true Israel". It's not a land. It's not a place. It’s the Body of Christ. According to Scripture, the true "Israel" is made up of those who follow Jesus Christ.

According to Jesus, physical descent from Abraham does not guarantee being a “child of God”. Those who reject Jesus are rejecting the very God Abraham believed in, which means they are not spiritually Abraham’s children—instead, they are following the devil's deception.


This applies to all people, not just the Jewish leaders Jesus was speaking to. Faith in Jesus, not ancestry, is what makes someone a "child of God".


According to Jesus' words in John 8:39-44, anyone who claims to be a descendant of Abraham but rejects him (Jesus Christ) is not truly a child of Abraham in a spiritual sense—instead, they are following the devil’s deception.


Jesus’ Main Points in John 8:39-44

1. Being a physical descendant of Abraham is not enough
   • “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do what Abraham did.” (John 8:39)
   • True children of Abraham follow Abraham’s faith—and Abraham believed in God’s promises (Genesis 15:6).
   • Since Jesus is the fulfillment of those promises, rejecting Jesus means not following Abraham’s faith.
2. Rejecting Jesus means rejecting God
   • “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God.” (John 8:42)
   • Jesus makes it clear: If someone truly knows God, they will accept him.
   • Those who reject Jesus are not of God and are of the devil, regardless of their lineage.

So, according to Jesus:

• Jews (or any people, for that matter) are not automatically “God's chosen people” just because of their physical lineage. Instead, faith in Jesus Christ is what defines who is truly "God's chosen people" in His eyes.
• In Jesus’ eyes, being part of God's chosen people is not about being born into a certain ethnic group or family (such as being a descendant of Abraham) but about accepting Jesus as the Messiah.

In the context of Jesus' teachings, those who reject Him, regardless of being descendants of Abraham (including the Jewish people), are not part of God's true, spiritual family. Jesus Himself taught that faith in Him alone, is what defines someone as part of "God’s chosen people".

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The Gospel of Christ said:

The Dispensationalist brainwashing that gripped the U.S. beginning in the 1950s wasn’t just bad theology—it was spiritual sabotage. A deliberate, well-funded distortion of the Gospel that helped drive tens of millions away from Christianity. It replaced the teachings of Christ with fear-based loyalty tests to a modern nation-state, twisting Scripture into a political weapon.

What began as subtle shifts in interpretation became a full-blown cult of deception—where televangelists like Jerry Falwell raged from TV screens night after night, proclaiming that anyone who didn’t blindly support Israel was “cursed by God.” No nuance. No Gospel. Just threats. Just fear.

Falwell, Hagee, Lindsey, Robertson—they didn’t just mislead. They built platforms on lies, with the Bible in one hand and a Zionist agenda in the other. They weren’t confused. They were complicit. And it’s almost impossible to believe they didn’t know exactly what they were doing.

Because the truth was always there. Jesus said, “It is finished,” not “It will be continued after a geopolitical reset.” The Cross ended the old covenant—it didn’t hit pause. And yet these men preached another gospel entirely. One that made Christ's sacrifice feel… incomplete. Contingent. Nationalized.

The irony? The very tool used to usher in this counterfeit theology—the Scofield Reference Bible—was mass-printed and distributed in the early 20th century, bankrolled by the Rockefellers, whose fingerprints are all over modern propaganda. It wasn’t an accident. It was infiltration.

And the damage? Generation after generation now mocks Christianity. A nation spiritually lost in confusion. And millions who associate the message of Jesus not with grace and truth—but with war, money, and curses.


This wasn’t just bad doctrine. It was a deception with eternal consequences.

We must be clear about what Scripture says about rejection of Christ—not just in a future prophetic sense, but right now, in terms of spiritual reality.

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So when modern Judaism explicitly rejects Jesus Christ, it doesn’t result in a partial or temporary disconnection—it’s total. There is no shared worship of the same God if the Son is denied.

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They claimed to worship Yahweh. Jesus told them point-blank: you don’t know Him.


Modern Judaism—built upon the rejection of Christ and post-Temple Rabbinic tradition—is no different. There is no neutral middle ground.

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Romans 11:25 says blindness has happened “in part” until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. But even Paul, in the same chapter, warns severely:


That’s not a side note—it’s spiritual severance. And the olive tree metaphor shows that only through faith in Christ can anyone—Jew or Gentile—be grafted in.

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It reduces the absolute centrality of Christ to a doctrinal footnote. But Scripture doesn’t leave that door open:


If Christ is the only way, then anyone—Jew or Gentile—who rejects Him is not worshiping the Father at all. Period.

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We can acknowledge a future moment of prophetic redemption for a remnant of Israel (Romans 11:26), but that does not erase the current reality: modern Judaism has fashioned a god that explicitly rejects the Son—and therefore cannot be the true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

So no, we don’t worship the same God. And any theology that claims otherwise stands against the very words of Jesus Christ Himself

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Moon888 said:

I am new on this site, and was so hoping to find a True Jesus Christ Group of real Christians ... so disappointed with how people speak to each other on this site!

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Brad Huber said:

I dont desire to judge others,

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Brad Huber said:

God wants me to be a judge down the road. I usually dont care for it, but He supports me in that role.

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Brad Huber said:

Are you so lazy that you want God to do it all for you,

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Brad Huber said:

Are you so lazy...?

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