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A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ

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I wrote this thread in another forum several years ago, but the message still rings true today. A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ and His teachings.

Many claim to be “Christians”, but yet they do not "follow the teachings" of Jesus Christ.

The word “Christian” by definition is "a follower of Jesus Christ", which means a follower of Jesus Christs "teachings". Notice the word Christian in 1 Peter 4:16…
Yet G1161 if G1487 any man suffer as G5613 a Christian, G5546 let him G153 G0 not G3361 be ashamed; G153 but G1161 let him glorify G1392 God G2316 on G1722 this G5129 behalf. G3313

The word Christian G5546 is defined as Χριστιανός Christianós, khris-tee-an-os'; from G5547; a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ:—Christian.

But many who proclaim themselves to be “Christians” are not really followers of Jesus Christ's teachings. As a matter of fact ,many of them proclaim Jesus’ teachings and sayings were not for them to follow; but only for the Jews; as some like M.A.D. doctrines teach. And they also go on to teach that Jesus and the other Apostles before Paul taught a works based gospel message for salvation. And they also claim that it was not until Paul became a Christian that the body of Christ (the Church) first began, and that the true message of grace first began being taught by Paul alone. This is also another reason they give in order to reject Jesus Christs teachings, sayings, and commands as for them "to follow".

But there is also another movement called “hyper grace” which is spin off of Universalism and of the same false grace message, which includes the early beliefs of “Antinomianism.” Here is what one of their cult leaders Joseph Prince teaches about "following" Jesus Christ’s DOCTRINE= teachings, sayings, and commands… Joseph Prince is quoted as saying “21- We can’t take doctrine from the gospels because Jesus had not yet risen from the dead yet.”

Now I have even heard some of the followers of this false gospel message say, even the words and teachings of Jesus Christ are not a part of the New Testament. Anything before the cross is considered “Old Testament” to them; even though Jesus Christ was the messenger of the New Testament. So in effect they disregard the very words of Jesus Christ and His doctrine, and even in some cases they reject all OT scripture and that of all the other apostles, (with the exception of Paul), as being “legalism” or “works based” salvationism.

And so by disregarding, and by not keeping the doctrine, teachings, commands, words, and sayings of Jesus Christ, they are in Truth not really “followers” of Jesus Christ and His teachings. Therefore by definition they are not truly “Christians”; but are just followers of "the doctrines of men," like this Joseph Prince.

By not following Jesus’ doctrine, even by their own confession, proves they are not truly “followers” of Jesus Christ and His teachings. To "follow" Jesus Christ and his teachings, commands, and sayings is an action word, as "to follow" and "to keep", and "to do" God’s will, and "to obey" as is an act of the obedience of the faith, by being a righteous servant of Jesus Christ. Jesus says to "follow me", "to do" the will of His Father, "to keep" His words, commandments, and sayings. This is repeated over and over again by the words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Matthew 16:24 “Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and "follow me".

Matthew 7:21 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he "that doeth" the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 8:15 “But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, "keep it", and bring forth fruit with patience.”

Luke 11:28 “But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and "keep it".

John 14:23 “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will "keep my words": and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.”

John 14:24 “He that loveth me not "keepeth not my sayings": and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”

1 John 2:5 “But whoso "keepeth his word", in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.”

John 14:15 “If ye love me, "keep my commandments.

John 14:21 “He that hath my commandments, and "keepeth them", he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”

John 15:10 “If ye "keep" my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”

John 8:51 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man "keep my saying", he shall never see death.”

John 8:52 “Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man "keep my saying", he shall never taste of death.”

John 15:20 “Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have "kept my saying", they will keep yours also.

Jesus also kept the sayings of the Father...

John 8:55 “Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and "keep his saying."

It is written in 2 John 9-11"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in "the doctrine of Christ", hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not "this doctrine", receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Beware of these cult followings and doctrines of men which exclude the teachings of Jesus Christ. These
cults are not "Christian" by definition, not being "followers" of the Way, the Truth, and the Life in Christ Jesus.

Be a follower of Jesus Christ. Peace and God bless
 
I wrote this thread in another forum several years ago, but the message still rings true today. A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ and His teachings.

Many claim to be “Christians”, but yet they do not "follow the teachings" of Jesus Christ.

The word “Christian” by definition is "a follower of Jesus Christ", which means a follower of Jesus Christs "teachings". Notice the word Christian in 1 Peter 4:16…
Yet G1161 if G1487 any man suffer as G5613 a Christian, G5546 let him G153 G0 not G3361 be ashamed; G153 but G1161 let him glorify G1392 God G2316 on G1722 this G5129 behalf. G3313

The word Christian G5546 is defined as Χριστιανός Christianós, khris-tee-an-os'; from G5547; a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ:—Christian.

But many who proclaim themselves to be “Christians” are not really followers of Jesus Christ's teachings. As a matter of fact ,many of them proclaim Jesus’ teachings and sayings were not for them to follow; but only for the Jews; as some like M.A.D. doctrines teach. And they also go on to teach that Jesus and the other Apostles before Paul taught a works based gospel message for salvation. And they also claim that it was not until Paul became a Christian that the body of Christ (the Church) first began, and that the true message of grace first began being taught by Paul alone. This is also another reason they give in order to reject Jesus Christs teachings, sayings, and commands as for them "to follow".

But there is also another movement called “hyper grace” which is spin off of Universalism and of the same false grace message, which includes the early beliefs of “Antinomianism.” Here is what one of their cult leaders Joseph Prince teaches about "following" Jesus Christ’s DOCTRINE= teachings, sayings, and commands… Joseph Prince is quoted as saying “21- We can’t take doctrine from the gospels because Jesus had not yet risen from the dead yet.”

Now I have even heard some of the followers of this false gospel message say, even the words and teachings of Jesus Christ are not a part of the New Testament. Anything before the cross is considered “Old Testament” to them; even though Jesus Christ was the messenger of the New Testament. So in effect they disregard the very words of Jesus Christ and His doctrine, and even in some cases they reject all OT scripture and that of all the other apostles, (with the exception of Paul), as being “legalism” or “works based” salvationism.

And so by disregarding, and by not keeping the doctrine, teachings, commands, words, and sayings of Jesus Christ, they are in Truth not really “followers” of Jesus Christ and His teachings. Therefore by definition they are not truly “Christians”; but are just followers of "the doctrines of men," like this Joseph Prince.

By not following Jesus’ doctrine, even by their own confession, proves they are not truly “followers” of Jesus Christ and His teachings. To "follow" Jesus Christ and his teachings, commands, and sayings is an action word, as "to follow" and "to keep", and "to do" God’s will, and "to obey" as is an act of the obedience of the faith, by being a righteous servant of Jesus Christ. Jesus says to "follow me", "to do" the will of His Father, "to keep" His words, commandments, and sayings. This is repeated over and over again by the words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Matthew 16:24 “Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and "follow me".

Matthew 7:21 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he "that doeth" the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 8:15 “But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, "keep it", and bring forth fruit with patience.”

Luke 11:28 “But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and "keep it".

John 14:23 “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will "keep my words": and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.”

John 14:24 “He that loveth me not "keepeth not my sayings": and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”

1 John 2:5 “But whoso "keepeth his word", in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.”

John 14:15 “If ye love me, "keep my commandments.

John 14:21 “He that hath my commandments, and "keepeth them", he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”

John 15:10 “If ye "keep" my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”

John 8:51 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man "keep my saying", he shall never see death.”

John 8:52 “Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man "keep my saying", he shall never taste of death.”

John 15:20 “Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have "kept my saying", they will keep yours also.

Jesus also kept the sayings of the Father...

John 8:55 “Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and "keep his saying."

It is written in 2 John 9-11"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in "the doctrine of Christ", hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not "this doctrine", receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Beware of these cult followings and doctrines of men which exclude the teachings of Jesus Christ. These
cults are not "Christian" by definition, not being "followers" of the Way, the Truth, and the Life in Christ Jesus.

Be a follower of Jesus Christ. Peace and God bless

I see support for this opinion (which I also agree with and have taught for about a decade) can be found in the parable of the 10 virgins. All are alleged to be members of the church. All in the Bridal Chamber awaiting the return. He tells 5 that He does not know them. Earlier in another story He tells a group claiming to have done thus and so in His name "I never knew you!".

Maybe they said some magic words or took a bath but they do not have the Spirit that is Christ's.
 
I see support for this opinion (which I also agree with and have taught for about a decade) can be found in the parable of the 10 virgins. All are alleged to be members of the church. All in the Bridal Chamber awaiting the return. He tells 5 that He does not know them. Earlier in another story He tells a group claiming to have done thus and so in His name "I never knew you!".

Maybe they said some magic words or took a bath but they do not have the Spirit that is Christ's.
Jesus said he never knew them because they didn't repent of their sins.
 
Jesus said he never knew them because they didn't repent of their sins.

The point is they were not children of God (Romans 8:9). See His criteria at the judgment which reveals His heart (Matthew 25L31-46). These were not "saved", born of His Spirit but claimed to be His followers.
 
The point is they were not children of God (Romans 8:9).
The point is that they weren't children of God because they didn't do what God says to do and repent of their sins.
See His criteria at the judgment which reveals His heart (Matthew 25L31-46). These were not "saved", born of His Spirit but claimed to be His followers.
Can you show me where you get they claimed to be Jesus' followers? Jesus tells those who did not treat his Apostles and disciples well while they preached the gospel that he will tell those people to depart from him. They are the ones on the left.
 
I see support for this opinion (which I also agree with and have taught for about a decade) can be found in the parable of the 10 virgins. All are alleged to be members of the church. All in the Bridal Chamber awaiting the return. He tells 5 that He does not know them. Earlier in another story He tells a group claiming to have done thus and so in His name "I never knew you!".

Maybe they said some magic words or took a bath but they do not have the Spirit that is Christ's.
Yes, in the parable of the 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins, both had the written words of God ( the lamp) but only the wise had the oil ( the Holy Spirit) to light the lamp.

Here is a study I wrote about it…

In the parable of the 10 virgins we notice 5 are called wise and 5 are called foolish. The foolish took no oil for their lamps, but the wise took oil in their vessels to light their lamp. They were to await the Bridegrooms return, which represents the return of Christ.

The fact that they are all called virgins tells me they are all people of the faith in Christ. Paul said in
2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

So these 10 were called to keep themselves pure for the Bridegroom, which is Christ. Also all 10 had lamps, which tells me all 10 had Gods written words. In
Psalm 119:105
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

So the difference between the virgins was 5 wise had oil in their vessels and the 5 foolish had none, which then caused their lamps to go out.

The oil in this parable represents the anointing oil of the Holy Spirit which illuminates our eyes of understanding into Gods written words.

In the law God gave many types and shadows in natural things to symbolize and foreshadow spiritual truths to be revealed later by the Spirit. In the law golden olive oil was used to light the lamp that burned in the tabernacle of the congregation. This light was meant to stay lit continually in the tabernacle of the congregation . This light represents the light of the Lord, which is to burn inside the vessels of the Church.

The golden olive oil was also to be used to anoint the ministers of the Lord, for to sanctify and consecrate them. Jesus said in

John 17:17-19
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.​

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.”

There are 2 types of wisdom, there is the wisdom that comes from above by God, and there is the wisdom of the world. It is written that God made foolish the wisdom of the world, which partly explains why the 5 without oil were called foolish.

It is the anointing oil of the Holy Spirit that illuminates our understanding in Gods words. Paul said in

Ephesians 1:17-18
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,”

So without the Holy Spirit you are left in the dark.

Paul said in 1Th 5:19 - Quench G4570 not the Spirit.

Notice the word Quench is the same as “gone out” in the parable.

Mat 25:8 - And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for ourlamps are gone out. G4570

In Revelation 2:5 Jesus said

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent”

These were those who had left their first love and had fallen back into sin. They were in danger of having their lights put out.

So keep the faith and keep those lamps burning bright. Peace and God bless​

 
The point is that they weren't children of God because they didn't do what God says to do and repent of their sins.

Can you show me where you get they claimed to be Jesus' followers? Jesus tells those who did not treat his Apostles and disciples well while they preached the gospel that he will tell those people to depart from him. They are the ones on the left.

They do not "Claim" to be Jesus followers, and obviously they are not really followers. However, they may have joined the club of Churchianity taking the label "Christian" and believing that makes them one. I know people like this now. If you asked them, "what religion are you?" They would say "I'm a Christian" But they do not do what Christ would do, are not concerned for the things Christ was concerned for. One year when I attended an Episcopal church I met many tares among the wheat.

Jesus tells us you shall know them by their fruit. Well I see many ALLEGED Christian leaders today that are politically focused, greedy, selfish, lustful people with no regard for the poor or the widows or the fatherless or the homeless or the ill, etc.

Now then, here is what we know. The context of the chapter are those of the church (see the 10 virgins parable). Some are true followers and some are make-believers. They believe in Jesus but do not believe Jesus. So, in my opinion, all of these are those who might even call themselves "Christians" but many are not really born of His Spirit.
 
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