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Are we saved by our own efforts or are we saved by God's efforts ?

emanuel88

emanuel88

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Where are you in the world did you get saved because you wanted or because you asked for it ? Can we be saved because Jesus wanted it or becuase you were destined tell you own testimony how you are saved ? Tell us how you were saved and what you wanted was by your will or by God's will. Because you can't be saved by your own efforts only by God's who put you in your life ?
 
Hello,

Ephesians 2: 8-9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

John 6:44 - No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day

This sums it up. You can want to come to Christ, but it is the Father who is drawing you to Him.
 
God himself, of His own free will, has devised an excellent path to safety for the
Jews that takes their will power out of the equation.

• Jer 31:31-34 . . Behold, the days come-- declares The Lord --that I will make a
new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according
to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the
hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which My covenant they broke,
although I was an husband unto them-- declares The Lord.

. . . But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After
those days-- declares The Lord --I will put My law in their inward parts, and write it
in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people. And they shall
teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, "know
The Lord" for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of
them

FAQ: The new covenant speaks of "My law". Where is it? When God codified the old
covenant, He wrote its law on some tables of stone. Why doesn't the new covenant
have tables of stone?

REPLY: Does anyone need a book of instructions on how to think, feel, and act like
a human? No; their human nature manages all that for them. In other words: the
law of human nature is in their inward parts and written in their heart. (Rom 7:15
23)

Now, supposing that instead of the law of human nature, there was a law of divine
nature in their inward parts and written in their heart. How would they think, feel,
and act then? Well; I can tell you, with confidence, that they wouldn't need a book
of instructions to think, feel, and act divine because a law of divine nature would
manage all that for them. Is what I'm saying possible? Yes.

• 2Pet 1:3-4 . . His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and
godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by
which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through
these you may be partakers of the divine nature.

That passage mentions "great and precious promises" relative to the divine nature.
Where are they? Well, they're contained in the language of the new covenant
quoted at the beginning of this posting. The promises are also contained in the
language of Ezek 36:24-28 which says:

"I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and
will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and
you shall be clean from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

. . . A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will
take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put My spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you
shall keep My judgments, and do them. And you shall dwell in the land that I gave
to your fathers; and you shall be My people, and I will be your God."
_
 
Yes in our hearts he wrote them but we need to find the laws becasue in our heart is the law of what he put in the Eden the law of gensis that all that you see is yours and govern over small animals and women was given that with men, the heart of A child is in because in old testament God told moses peoplea t that time to teach the hear tof A child the law of moses and the parents to do the same with their hearts. Here we see the heart of A child is their and exist also jesus says to be like children and know they are the highest in heaven. Also to have put your hands in god's hands must be in your heart, To love like he does in your ehart must also be thier because is how you've become the person he wants and change to person closer to the love of God hard to understand.
 
Rockerduck said:
Hello,

Ephesians 2: 8-9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

John 6:44 - No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day

This sums it up. You can want to come to Christ, but it is the Father who is drawing you to Him.
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Amen

1 John 2:3 ​

And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.

So it seems to me the proof of receiving grace is that we want to keep his commandments, they are not a burden to keep.

When we receive the grace of God we should see changes in our lifestyle.

Acts 5:32​

And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”

it sounds like we have to obey in order to receive the Holy Spirit.

Romans 6:16​

Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

It seems to me the proof of Grace is in who you are being obedient to,, sin or righteousness.
 
You cannot acheive this by your efforts only by God's and to get that only pray and pray and they will come too. Your not save by your efforts only god's can save you dn't fight him just say he is right and no matter how bad things get will never let go of his hands.
 
emanuel88 said:
Where are you in the world did you get saved because you wanted or because you asked for it ? Can we be saved because Jesus wanted it or becuase you were destined tell you own testimony how you are saved ? Tell us how you were saved and what you wanted was by your will or by God's will. Because you can't be saved by your own efforts only by God's who put you in your life ?
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Being '"saved", regarding CHRISTianity, means that your sin that was keeping you out of God's family, has been resolved.
But that is only a part of Why God allows you to become a Son/Daughter of God.

First, ........God has to have a basis to allow you into Heaven.
So, He provided one for you as "The Gift of Salvation".
It's Christ on the Cross.

On The Cross you have Sinless Holy Jesus.
He is dying for YOUR sin., but that is not all He's providing.

He is providing :

1.) deliverance from the Law, ...
2.) Payment due you for your sin,
3.) And HIs very LIFE of Righteousness He has lived.

Most believers do not understand, and have not been taught, that the sinless life that Jesus lived, is "The Gift of Righteousness", that God gives you.

What does that mean?
It means that your born again SPIRIT, BECOMES, the same RIGHTEOUSNESS, As the LIFE That Jesus died to give you.
And when you receive it from God, as "The Gift of Salvation", and "The Gift of Righteousness", you then become SPIRITUALLY, as a born again Spirit, .. "a new CREATiON..... IN......Christ".

= This is to be born again..........having become ... "one with God".
 
We are saved according to the Will of God Gal 1:4-5

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Thats my testimony !
 
This wise words from another I read once reveled to me our efforts since the beggining cannot save us but once know Jesus all our attention and work goes to him aftrerwards and still do not save unless we are baptized to him. We are in God's path and our path has been destined we can change it but we must ask fist for his guidance. No matter the outcome we cannot win in our own efforts even if we win A race, best employee of the month, and be have you destiny change by yourself it will not come out like you want in the end. No, only God changes destiny to the one he wants and the one is the destiny you were meant even if the newscast, psychcis,or mother says otherwise God had A plan of God for you and his plan how hard it is is great one. Still to know your full potential you must give more to God and he will gve it all.
 
emanuel88 said:
Where are you in the world did you get saved because you wanted or because you asked for it ? Can we be saved because Jesus wanted it or becuase you were destined tell you own testimony how you are saved ? Tell us how you were saved and what you wanted was by your will or by God's will. Because you can't be saved by your own efforts only by God's who put you in your life ?
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Jesus tells us how to be saved. He starts out by saying to repent of your sins.

Of course we have to put effort into it.

There is a false teaching about faith alone that hinders people from getting saved.

People misunderstand Paul when he says not of works he is talking about the old law's works for the people that were the purification/ceremonial works.
 
God as Christ Jesus, was virgin born as one of us to die on the Cross to offer this SACRIFICE of Himself for our SIN= that has the eternal power to save all of us.
 
God's Truth said:
Jesus tells us how to be saved. He starts out by saying to repent of your sins.

Of course we have to put effort into it.

There is a false teaching about faith alone that hinders people from getting saved.

People misunderstand Paul when he says not of works he is talking about the old law's works for the people that were the purification/ceremonial works.
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False statement, Jesus came to save ! Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

So friend you are promoting a false teaching by saying Jesus came to teach people how to get saved, another one of your ridiculous statements.
 
Brightfame52 said:
False statement, Jesus came to save ! Matt 1:21
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
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They had to repent of their sins first. You don't know John and Jesus taught that.
Brightfame52 said:
1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

So friend you are promoting a false teaching by saying Jesus came to teach people how to get saved, another one of your ridiculous statements.
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Jesus came to save repentant sinners.
 
God's Truth said:
They had to repent of their sins first. You don't know John and Jesus taught that.

Jesus came to save repentant sinners.
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False statement, Jesus came to save sinners 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Now as Saviour He gives them He saves repentance Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 
God's Truth said:
Jesus gives repentance means the people have to repent of their sins.
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False statement, Jesus giving repentance is part of His saving a sinner 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

To give repentance Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 
God's Truth said:
You say it is a false statement that we are supposed to repent of our sins?
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Jesus the Saviour gives those He saves Repentance, thats His Job as the Saviour. Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

He doesnt require it, He gives it !
 
Brightfame52 said:
Jesus the Saviour gives those He saves Repentance, thats His Job as the Saviour. Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

He doesnt require it, He gives it !
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Jesus allows us to be saved by repenting of sins.
 
God's Truth said:
Jesus allows us to be saved by repenting of sins.
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Thats nonsense. Jesus saves His People and gives them repentance Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins

When Jesus gives us repentance He changes us, turns us away from our sins Acts 3:26

26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Thats the function of a Saviour !
 
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