PloughBoy said:

What happens when you leave JW?

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Dear Brother,
I was a child studying under them for a couple of years.
So, in truth I was never an actual member, but when current JW's find out that I used to study under them, but am no longer associated with them...well, they kind of disassociate themselves from continuing to talk with me.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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PloughBoy said:

What happens when you leave JW?

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The Catholics say if you leave their church and don't come back before you die then you will go to hell.

That is one of the reasons why anyone who thinks I am mean for going against the Catholic denomination needs to myob (mind your own business).

I go against false doctrines for things such as that and because God says to contend for the faith.
The JW's don't believe in hell but they believe you won't be resurrected. I studied from them but never got baptized in their church. They think we must have their beliefs though to have eternal life one day.

God's Truth said:

They think we must have their beliefs though

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they are not the only ones.... most are like that when push comes to shove

Br. Bear said:

they are not the only ones.... most are like that when push comes to shove

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You know what, I think you are right about that.

God's Truth said:

The Catholics say if you leave their church and don't come back before you die then you will go to hell.

That is one of the reasons why anyone who thinks I am mean for going against the Catholic denomination needs to myob (mind your own business).

I go against false doctrines for things such as that and because God says to contend for the faith.
The JW's don't believe in hell but they believe you won't be resurrected. I studied from them but never got baptized in their church. They think we must have their beliefs though to have eternal life one day.

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Totally agree and that sort of reasoning from whoever they are, is upholding manmade thinking. That they wrongly connect that to God, when it's a characteristic that shows itself that is not of God.

It's manipulation and control from the devil. With God in a true relationship with Him, a lost child can wander away and He seeks after them like a Shepherd seeks his lost sheep, more in the Ekklesia . A true child of God cannot lose their salvation anyway.

(JW)
“A statement from the religion's governing body said that the ad-hoc way it had acquired property over the years had led to its campus being far too spread out and therefore difficult to manage, therefore it was selling off the properties and centralising its organisation in the town of Warwick, in upstate New York”

It so interesting that all religions have suffered a little during such times. But I do wonder if “ Islam“ has suffered the same.

Even Bible book stores have not weather the storm.

I do Remember receiving a Minor in Computer Science, a lot of Church declared computers was The work of Satan and attacked me many of times! A few years latter, they were collecting “Tithes” and collection on The Internet! The same leadership and people who attacked me, in the church, National wide!

Then as if they have forgotten. And now try to school you!

This world, This world. They start sales in everything on the internet, book, Communion supplies, choir robes, Sunday School Books, church services, bible class, Counselling services, The Church Marquee, programs, But I was The Devil, to Introduce computer ideas to make things run smoother, the church call be everything behind my back, I could write programs, both hardware and software programs, and build Computers, and set up “Networks” free!

They start putting in “ATM” Machines, credit card bank machines, but I was The Devil! they start bringing in“ “Christian Investment Advisors”! In The Church GOD wants you to be a good investor! But do not forget to paid your “Tithes and Offering” 1st, by “MasterCard or Visa” and The “NATA” agreement was gaining its bite, and the housing market was calling in its debt.
“the Hand Writting had already had been place on the wall” “Blind and vain faith”

I stood around and watch the outcome and watch them leave one by one, “Broke”. And my wife still would not Compliment concerning weathering that storm while most of her friends lost houses and lands and slip out in the middle of The night. But me, they claim was the devil.

Let me say this, like old folks use to say:

“GOD can do with your penny, more Than people can do with their Dollar”


My Aunt is to take That penny and hold it between her Fingers and show me. every new car she bought was a “New Car” paid in cash, her new house “10 years” paid in full, and she had “a Jewish” lawyer, whom my Grandfather introduce her from my fathers side. She would tell me when you go to Work, you eat “Peanut Butter with a Little Jelly on it, in your corner, you will get filled, and a full stomach do not know what is it when it will get filled.

I am telling y’all the Truth,

They never went to a health spa, my wife was over 60 years old, Telling me She need a “Personal Trainer” I didn’t say nothing.

But, ok. I have Profession “Treadmills” Olympic weights, bench’s all kinds of dumbbells, professional invert tables. ok.

Now this is the kind of World we live it. When you get bored with the old way, they know how to but a new dress on it.

So it will be with The “JW” and all of The Rest. Just watch, over here And over there.

I been to a lot of Towns and cities, bottom line, just stay there for awhile.

PloughBoy said:

What happens when you leave JW?

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Here's a question that someone wrote in to the Questions From Readers section of
the April 01, 1976 issue of Watchtower magazine, asking:

"Is Jesus the mediator only for anointed Christians? (a.k.a. the 144,000)"

The answer given in the magazine is YES.

The magazine's answer is corroborated on page 1130 of the Society's publication
titled "Aid To Bible Understanding" where it says that the 144,000 are the only ones
who have the mediator; a.k.a. Jesus Christ. (1John 2:1)

Intercession for non anointed Witnesses is accomplished on the coattails of the
144,000; viz: Jesus Christ is an indirect, second party mediator for the rank and file
via their affiliation with the Watchtower Society.

It's sort of like buying insurance from Allstate. The company doesn't sell direct; its
business is conducted through brokers. In essence, that's what the Society
presumes itself: Jesus Christ's mediation brokerage.

So then; when a JW either defects or is disfellowshipped, their pipeline to the
mediator is broken, and they right quick lose all contact with God; thus placing
themselves in grave danger of the calamities depicted in the book of Revelation.

Bottom line: According to Watchtower Society theology; it is impossible for non
anointed people to be on peaceful terms with God apart from affiliation with the
Society's anointed class, a.k.a. the faithful and wise steward.

In other words: Christ's mediation for rank and file JWs as per 1Tim 2:5 is
accomplished via a chain of communication that begins with Christ's association
with the faithful and wise steward; and from thence to the rest of humanity.
Removing the faithful and wise steward from the chain cuts humanity off from
Christ; thus leaving them with no way to reconcile with God.
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Lavenderfields said:

Totally agree and that sort of reasoning from whoever they are, is upholding manmade thinking. That they wrongly connect that to God, when it's a characteristic that shows itself that is not of God.

It's manipulation and control from the devil. With God in a true relationship with Him, a lost child can wander away and He seeks after them like a Shepherd seeks his lost sheep, more in the Ekklesia . A true child of God cannot lose their salvation anyway.

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My ancestors were Catholics and Catholic was my life. There were things I had questions about as a child, like why are we calling the priests 'father' when Jesus says don't call your brothers in Christ 'father'. Also as Catholics we are taught to bow to statues, but even as a young child I would read in the Bible do not bow to the works of your hands. It seemed to me the Catholics do things in defiance to what God says in the Bible, but still, the Catholic religion was my life, they were the ones who had the only truth, I was told.

However, when I turned 24 is when I told God I wanted His truth and not man's truth and that I would search for Him. See my mom was dying of cancer and the priest didn't get to our house in time to give my mom her last rites before she died, there were human errors that caused the priest to not get the message to come to our house to give the last rites. The Catholic church teaches that if you did commit certain kinds of sins and don't confess them to a Catholic priest before you die then you won't get to be with Jesus. It just hit me really hard and made me realize the Catholic church did not have the truth because we are not supposed to be in their hands but in the hand of God.

It was the first time I ever saw my dad cry because he blamed himself for not getting the priest there in time, the priest even tried to get my dad to believe it was his fault, it wasn't his fault though, and that made me see how the priest was a dishonest man, I looked up to the Catholic priests and depended on them, we are taught to do that. These people I was looking up to that we call priests were not who we are taught they are. I remember asking my dad why he was crying and he said it was his fault mom might not get to be with Jesus. I loudly said to him, "But we are Catholics!" We spent our lives doing what the Catholic church said to do and then in the end we had no idea what was going to happen to my mom, it just seemed so wrong.
I went in my room after that and told God that I was going to search for His Truth and don't want man's truth.
That was the beginning of my search for God.

Be careful showing kindness to me in one of my posts because you might get a personal story. lol
I'm not used to talking about my personal life, I usually only talk about scriptures and doctrines.

I don't tell people they are not saved, because my parents died as Catholics and I know God is a righteous Judge and they are safe now with Him, but, we still need to hear the truth about how to get saved and know God personally in our life, because they never heard the truth and I never did until later and it is so amazing to know God's Truth. It is worth it to know and not just be content with a denomination.

All denominations preach falseness. So how do we get the truth now that the Apostles are long gone??? We get God's Truth by reading the scriptures and doing what Jesus says to do and that is how he saves and becomes our Teacher. We have it easier than ever in these days to get Bibles and study on our own.
The Catholics taught us not to even read the Bible without a nun or priest around. I would sneak the Bible in my room as a child. After I left the Catholic church in search for God I knew that the Catholic church taught I would go to hell because of leaving the church. It was scary and so glad I kept pressing on.

Beetow said:

Here's a question that someone wrote in to the Questions From Readers section of
the April 01, 1976 issue of Watchtower magazine, asking:

"Is Jesus the mediator only for anointed Christians? (a.k.a. the 144,000)"

The answer given in the magazine is YES.

The magazine's answer is corroborated on page 1130 of the Society's publication
titled "Aid To Bible Understanding" where it says that the 144,000 are the only ones
who have the mediator; a.k.a. Jesus Christ. (1John 2:1)

Intercession for non anointed Witnesses is accomplished on the coattails of the
144,000; viz: Jesus Christ is an indirect, second party mediator for the rank and file
via their affiliation with the Watchtower Society.

It's sort of like buying insurance from Allstate. The company doesn't sell direct; its
business is conducted through brokers. In essence, that's what the Society
presumes itself: Jesus Christ's mediation brokerage.

So then; when a JW either defects or is disfellowshipped, their pipeline to the
mediator is broken, and they right quick lose all contact with God; thus placing
themselves in grave danger of the calamities depicted in the book of Revelation.

Bottom line: According to Watchtower Society theology; it is impossible for non
anointed people to be on peaceful terms with God apart from affiliation with the
Society's anointed class, a.k.a. the faithful and wise steward.

In other words: Christ's mediation for rank and file JWs as per 1Tim 2:5 is
accomplished via a chain of communication that begins with Christ's association
with the faithful and wise steward; and from thence to the rest of humanity.
Removing the faithful and wise steward from the chain cuts humanity off from
Christ; thus leaving them with no way to reconcile with God.
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So much stuff is out here concerning religion.

Now try this on For size, I am not a “JW”, and will not be one or any kind of anything, but on one occasion or more by neighbor, or other occasion by A “JW” claiming by the way I take Assess and The Anointing concerning biblical TRUTh, has said: you are one of The 144,000! And I am not a “JW” but I know The Book, what is not completely true in the translations by the lost of The Translation, by Interpretation of “The Original Copied Manuscript” for The Lack of Certain words That cannot be translated from The Original meaning Of The Prescribe Text. And many be Surprise that I Excels what they already know, but The (Greek biblical Scholars of The (JW) Community I Cannot Touch, or have The Capacity to entertain, and I will not try. Let, Dr. James White and All Those Greek Scholars of The “Reformed Faith” take on and discuss such matter! I got my hat on and went out The Door.

Now imagine you approach by; “JW”, Pentecostal’s , strangers in the Street in The Street, of all kinds of Nationalities, approach you, who you do not even know, I am not talking about bums, in the street, Even “Quakers”, Jews, “Muslims” “Christian’s”, Southern Baptist, Japanese Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox not Arminians, Methodist on both sides of the Fence.
I do not trust nobody!

Since and specially since my “Conversion in “1977”!
They are not going to get me mess up! With all this religious stuff!

Strangers, “Chaldeans Orthodox”, non-denominations proclaimers.

Now do you see, how I feel about “Religion”

I am just a “Ploughboy” I read My Bible and will not leave one stone un- turn.

If The Bible says the word “to”,,,I look that word up in a “Top of The Line Bible Encyclopedia” and Exhausted it’s meaning! And I mean that! I look up “This, That, is, why, how, when, and who! I want to know Exactly what those words mean in the Biblical translated text. I got the time, a got all “Eternity” I am not in a hurry to get to page 2!

In “ISBE” it took me about 2-3 days to Read the Definition concerning The Meaning of “The Holy Spirit” the definition is about 3 1/2 pages long. 2-3 days, to understand That Office. I like That “Parakletos”! I like That “Holy Spirit” too, but That “Parakletos” in full, what that mean, when your Joy is Gone, and when it seems like you are walking alone, to know That the “Parakletos” is There!
You do not have to believe it, or Ponder about it! Or Give it a Second Thought or pray where are you GOD.

You see, I Question The Dictionary! And The Encyclopedia and found mistakes.

My wife used to say: “Who can you find a Mistaken, in a definition in a Encyclopedia and not a Typo! And I would say to her to look at this, is not this a mistaken, She is, The One who has The Doctorate Degree, “*** de Laude” or what ever kind of “de Laude”


I just call it as it is I check all words “Exhaustively” even if I think I know the meaning, I recheck the simple of words concerning “The BOOK”, Archaic & Etymology,

Our “Adversary” he is not dumb, he is very smart and Crafty and Highly skilled in what he does. And how to place Convincing and comforting and soft relaxing concerning words as well, when relating to The Biblical Text of The Translative Text of “Holy Scripture”.

And we must All be on Guard at all times.

Every Dot & Tittle, for it only takes, The Curve of The Pen, “The Quill” to place a Little Leaven among The Pages and between the lines. In which it can prevail. Just a little speck within the eye.